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MrBillM - 6-24-2009 at 01:08 PM

N2 GONE. N3 Here.

From an FTA "Testing" Website:

"It was expected and it is now official! This is the end of testing under Nagravision 2 encryption. At 5pm (East Coast Time) on June 18th, 2009, remaining N2 encrypted channels on Dish Network have changed to Nagravision 3 encryption"!

Nfusion releases Dish Network Fixes Today!!!

New files have been released today for the Nfusion line for an IKS solution. Most notably it appears that there is no initial release supporting the Nfusion NOVA. For other users, we have been getting MIXED RESULTS from across the community of SUNS Disconnected messages when using DN. This is probably going to continue as things are adjusted to support the massive amount of testers now trying to restore DN programming. We will report any official word as we receive it. For now, you should consider the Nfusion release for Dish Network in BETA status !

Meaning?

Dave - 6-24-2009 at 01:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM

New files have been released today for the Nfusion line for an IKS solution.


N3 has been hacked?

Bob and Susan - 6-24-2009 at 01:50 PM

no not yet

I'm betting they won't

Dave - 6-24-2009 at 02:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob and Susan
no not yet


I'm thinking FTA boxes will go the way of DTV after football cards. Four years and still no hack.

If they break Nag3 then I'll buy a box.

Pescador - 6-24-2009 at 04:23 PM

Geez Dave, I am sure the system will not survive unless you step up and buy your one box. :lol::lol:

Bob and Susan - 6-24-2009 at 06:19 PM

good deals right now...

gamble dave:lol:

N3 Solution A Work in Progress

MrBillM - 6-24-2009 at 06:29 PM

Having spent a little time today researching various sites, including some with "Member" access, the "Current" status IS that at least NFusion and Sonicview (new receivers) HAVE allowed N3 hacking to a degree . The problem seems to be that the ECMs are frequent and effective, resulting in a downtime while New files are generated by the coders for download. At this time, nobody seems to have a handle on whether an "Autoroll" solution similar to N2 will eventually work out, BUT the fact that they've hacked it at all this early in the implementation speaks well for the future.

The receivers from both manufacturers are roughly equivalent in price to the Viewsat and other brands previously used. NFusion has two models at $149 and $179, Sonicview about the same with both also offering higher end models.

One solution at present seems to be that of Sonicview which sells an Ethernet/USB iHUB adapter ($89.00) which continually updates the receiver via a Broadband connection, resulting in limited (or no ?) downtime. This works (to whatever extent) ONLY if you have a Broadband connection operating at the time you're using the receiver. I have yet to read any customer reviews of said adapter.

Time will tell, but with every previous Encryption system, the providers were confident they were Bulletproof.

They were wrong.

Fred-o - 6-24-2009 at 08:48 PM

With the nfusion SUNS (IKS) type systems, you are continually connected to the internet, which makes your computer IP address vunerable. Some "testers" feel that this may lead to a loss of anonymity for them. Whether or not this is a Big Deal remains to be seen.

The FTA (Free To Air) users with IKS like nfusion, K-Box, Sonicview and others are Switching over to the N3 encryption now. The new codes have been published on the internet. There are about 50 new N3 channels available as of yesterday. More on Sonicview.
Total N3 just happened yesterday also, so it was a pretty fast "break through" don't you think?

all this high tech and no spellcheck...go figure.

[Edited on 6-25-2009 by Fred-o]

CortezBlue - 6-24-2009 at 09:42 PM

Understand that any receiver that requires internet to get programming is not "Breaking" N3, they are hooked to a server that sends over a "Legal" decoding code and is sharing amongst all of the receivers. So to the receiver it appears it is getting authorized signals. This has nothing to do with cracking N3, IT IS NOT cracked and mostly likely will not be cracked anytime soon with current systems.

PS

BIG PS

Understand that anyone who is getting programing via the internet is giving there IP address that can be tracked in the future. So don't be upset when someone knocks on your door.

bajaguy - 6-24-2009 at 09:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CortezBlue

BIG PS

Understand that anyone who is getting programing via the internet is giving there IP address that can be tracked in the future. So don't be upset when someone knocks on your door.





They are gonna need an FM-T :lol:

BajaNuts - 6-24-2009 at 11:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
Quote:
Originally posted by CortezBlue

BIG PS

Understand that anyone who is getting programing via the internet is giving there IP address that can be tracked in the future. So don't be upset when someone knocks on your door.





They are gonna need an FM-T :lol:


We already had this discussion..............NOT gonna go there, will have patience...........


in the meantime, ........hulu..........netflix..........network replays....................


and an 18' Criscraft bowrider and no jobs...........

larryC - 6-25-2009 at 07:22 AM

Just curious, but can the dishes be reaimed to another fta sat and pickup the networks, like nbc cbs etc.? Or would different equip be necessary?
Larry

CortezBlue - 6-25-2009 at 07:52 AM

yes you can. In fact there are even dish mounted motors available so you can program in different sat's, kind of like the old c band dishes.
there is a great web site that shows all of the sats and whos is broadcasting and if it is FTA or scrambled.

http://www.lyngsat.com/

losfrailes - 6-25-2009 at 08:36 AM

Larry,

Most of FTA is DishNetwork. That is what has been changed, the method of coding gone from Nagra2 to Nagra3.

Until there is a solution to the Nagra3 coding, FTA (except for true FTA) is on hold, and that has very little to do with which satellite.

FTA!!!

jerryjust - 6-25-2009 at 09:53 AM

Hi All. Just to put my 2 cents in. I have been testing in Rosarito since 1994 and have been using FTA as far back as the Dreambox. Just purchased a Casita in Mulege and plan a trip down the end of June. Now that NAGA 3 is on and a fix is close, I would like to know what is required in Mulege to capture DN 110/119? Any one of you Guy's have any info so I can bring equipment down with me. Dish,LNB, anything else.

Thanks in advance: Jerryjust

P.S. Naga 3 is broken in Germany, & Korea.

BajaNuts - 6-25-2009 at 10:11 AM

do you have proof of the crack in Korea?

Proof ? Shirley, You Jest !

MrBillM - 6-25-2009 at 10:34 AM

The world of "Testing" is one of Shadows and Faith. Carefully couched wordings and disclaimers.

BUT, you're not looking at a big investment.

losfrailes - 6-25-2009 at 10:44 AM

JerryJust

You will need at least a 1.8m dish (available from Guadalajara) for the 119 bird if you want decent reception. A 1.2 m dish will work, but with lots less channels available.

The footprint for the 110 bird does not extend to the part of Baja you are coming into, I live just north of Mulege and the 110 is unattainable.

Don't thin so

Dave - 6-25-2009 at 11:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by jerryjust

P.S. Naga 3 is broken in Germany, & Korea.


If N3 were broken in Germany and Korea it would be broken everywhere.

It ain't necessarily SO !

MrBillM - 6-25-2009 at 12:00 PM

Reading on a number of sites where "testers" are exchanging codes and results, the effective hacking seems to be all over the place in Europe with varying results country to country, Spain seeming to be a particular tough nut for them.

Only Time will tell, but IF N3 is bulletproof, WHY are they working on N4 ? Seems like a waste of time.

BCSTech - 6-25-2009 at 02:32 PM

Heh, sounds like a lot of work just to watch (not so) "free" TV :saint:

BajaNuts - 6-25-2009 at 05:28 PM

for those who fta, how much have you spent in (whatever) time frame for fta equipment and how much do you think you saved?

Right now, a full boat subscription plus watching all the ppv's would probably run you about $130 a month....... x 12 months........x7 years= $10,920

expenditure --- <$700

I like that ratio-


just realized who the previous poster is.....
Sorry, 'tech........didn't mean to hurt your biz------

[Edited on 6-26-2009 by BajaNuts]

BCSTech - 6-25-2009 at 06:02 PM

Hours spent downloading and installing cracks... "Priceless!"

No prob. Doesn't hurt our business. :)

Might be more to it than simple economics. We set up a lot of accounts for former FTA users who either get tired of chasing the latest "crack o' the week" or maybe they feel just a little guilty about it...?

I dunno, but every time there's another ECM, our phone starts ringing... :bounce:

sanfelipebob - 6-25-2009 at 06:11 PM

Good lord you guys.... you are stealing. Just pay for it. How would you feel if it was your investment and all these low lifes were stealing it. Man up and show some honor. What do you do without your free tv, steal hubcaps and sell crystal meth??????????????

[Edited on 6-26-2009 by sanfelipebob]

BCSTech - 6-25-2009 at 06:27 PM

Amen to that.

TV Games

MrBillM - 6-25-2009 at 06:38 PM

Since I have NO firsthand experience with ANY Illegal TV "Testing", I can only ASSUME that a part of it is the Challenge. Most of these "Testers" who Crack the Codes are doing it for free and distributing it simply for the satisfaction.

AND, there "Might" be people out there who don't rely on it for their steady TV diet, BUT use it as a resource to download and record PPV and Premium Channel Offerings. As such, it does have a favorable cost benefit.

I'm simply ASSUMING that COULD be the case since I have NO personal knowledge of such.

I'm just one of those ENQUIRING Minds.

BCSTech - 6-25-2009 at 06:43 PM

Bill, you crack me up! ;D

BajaNuts - 6-25-2009 at 07:34 PM

I just feel like it's a total monopoly and "they" are ripping EVERYONE off!

When you consider you can't get a basic account with a couple extras (like the Travel Channel) for less than $45 a month................$45 a month x ?????????????????million customers.............

How much does it cost to maintain a freeking satellite? Honestly if it was somewhere in the neighborhood of $20-$25 a month, yea, no problem, no griping.....

But I just feel like the TV distribution companies are ripping off ALL their customers. I feel the same way about cell phone companies, but THAT's a whole other thread!

Of course, ...........WE pay for our TV signal, I only know this because I have FRIENDS who use fta...........

BajaNuts - 6-25-2009 at 07:39 PM

ps- sfbob-

the signal is in the air, THEY put it there and bombard the world with it. Kinda like the water in the ground. I didn't put it there, but if I were to spend the money on a pump, I could have all the water I could ever need.

oldlady - 6-25-2009 at 08:07 PM

Probably don't know what I am talking about, but don't sat and cable providers pay to the content providers a rather hefty fee for every channel of programming they carry? I also thought that one of the reasons testing has become such a hobby in Latin America was that Dish et al cannot legally sell subscriptions outside the U.S....or so their web site says.

So, tech gurus of the netherworld...educate an oldlady.

Fred-o - 6-25-2009 at 08:15 PM

Dishnet and Direct TV will not, or can not do business in Mexico. You would still have to lie, cheat and steal to bring their equipment down here to use....illegally. So what's the big deal?

I know: Tell them you are putting it on an RV and touring the world. I think they have heard that one before.

When they really get upset is when you tell them you have 10 bedrooms and need boxes for each of them, and then you sell or rent them to your friends and neigbors.

So FTA, or illegal Dishnet or Direct...What's the difference?

Like the mans says: "I'll quit watching it when they take that damn signal out of my back yard." And they are really trying.

sanfelipebob - 6-25-2009 at 08:46 PM

Good lord. Where have you gone Joe Dimaggio a nation turns it weary head to you........ buy the way, the reason Directv and Dish don't sell outside of the USA is because others hold the programming rights in Mexico. They sort of have a program of don't ask don't tell. By the way, I think Don Julio Real is over priced at $300.00 a bottle so should I have my kids steal it ?????????? Come on get real you cheap SOB's :lol:

BCSTech - 6-25-2009 at 08:48 PM

Quote:
How much does it cost to maintain a freeking satellite?
Finally, good question!


$1 to $3 billion to build and launch a satellite. Replace every 10 to 15 years. (so assume someone spent $3 to 9 billion to build and launch 3 satellites at 110°, 119° and 129°)

http://www.telenorsbc.com/templates/Page.aspx?id=410

$81 million to build a satellite operations center

http://www.gsa.gov/Portal/gsa/ep/contentView.do?contentType=...

How much to run a satellite operations center annually? How would I know? ;>;)

BCSTech - 6-25-2009 at 08:55 PM

BTW, the telephone and electrical utility lines are probably in the air over your yard as well, so I say have at it.

Who says there's no such thing as a "Free Launch?"

oldlady - 6-25-2009 at 08:57 PM

Not sure who you are referring to here as an SOB, but in staying with your analogy (of sorts)....you can send your teens to the store with $300 but if they are under age they can't legally buy it. If I got that right you are saying that some people pay money monthly to break the law while others bet that their up front purchase of equipment is a more cost effective methodology for breaking the law. Nah...I must have misunderstood.

BajaNuts - 6-25-2009 at 10:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by sanfelipebob
By the way, I think Don Julio Real is over priced at $300.00 a bottle so should I have my kids steal it ?????????? Come on get real you cheap SOB's :lol:


And you have a CHOICE to buy other types of booze at a lot less than $300 a bottle. You probably have over 100 choices just in that one category.

What other CHOICE is there for TV????? Huh? I'm waiting........ Tell me another OPTION?!?!? Not a good comparison, you gotta do better than that.

It's not whether someone is too CHEAP to pay for it, but is what you are getting worth what you are paying?

How much are you paying for tv 'sfBOB? Are you getting your monies worth?

It's a monopoly..............it's happened before..........

and yes there are options for electricity, (solar, which is used very often in our region of Washington state)

and Magicjack/skype which is so often touted as a good phone option.....

and Hulu...................but Hulu does not broadcast local networks......
so you can watch reruns of LawAndOrder, but you can't watch local news stations.

[Edited on 6-26-2009 by BajaNuts]

BajaNuts - 6-25-2009 at 11:00 PM

for all the posts I've read about ................"how to get thisorthat across the border"..........or "how to get out of mordida with a smile"....a satellite signal should be the LEAST of anyone's moral concerns!

rob - 6-26-2009 at 09:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BCSTech
Quote:
How much does it cost to maintain a freeking satellite?
Finally, good question!


$1 to $3 billion to build and launch a satellite. Replace every 10 to 15 years. (so assume someone spent $3 to 9 billion to build and launch 3 satellites at 110°, 119° and 129°)

>;)


Actually Alan, if you leave it to private enterprise, apparently a lot less ..

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/may/03/lz1b3vias...

Morality In The Eye of the Beholder.

MrBillM - 6-26-2009 at 09:37 AM

I've found in my life's journey that almost EVERYONE I've ever met has a FLEXIBLE sense of Morality versus Legality. As with most other concerns, they consider "Some" illegal acts immoral while others are OK. The most commonplace are attention to traffic laws, civil codes and tax codes.

Although I have always been one of those "pragmatic" moralists, I do remain ready to accept criticism from the first person I KNOW who Follows ALL of the legal rules of society without variance. I'm sure that SOMEWHERE Out There is the person who can cast that first Stone.

To my knowledge I, Like Diogenes, haven't yet met that person.

Many years ago, I went with a friend who needed to get his DISH card recoded in San Felipe. Arriving there, I was surprised to find a policeman standing in front of his unit. Going inside, there were two SF Policemen. I asked the vendor what was going on and he said "That's the Police Chief and his Bodyguard. He's here to get his card re-programmed".

BCSTech - 6-26-2009 at 09:42 AM

Interesting.

ViaSat's $400 million is the build cost only. Still gotta get the satellite launched up there somehow...

BTW, I believe Telnor is private enterprise.

Speaking of DISH .................

MrBillM - 6-26-2009 at 03:47 PM

I noticed today that at least ONE PPV Movie available (Gran Torino) has "limited recording" i.e. if recorded to the DVR, it is only available for 24 hours once playback begins. The time period to begin said playback is 11-09-09. Wonder if this is the future for their PPV offerings.

BTW, another "strange" thing happened today that I haven't encountered before. One receiver kept dropping off and re-acquiring. Checking the transponder signal strength on one choice (119-03) I noted it was down from its usual 125 to around 60. Others also down quite a bit. Checked the antenna and it hadn't moved. Went to another receiver working on a different antenna assembly and found the same thing. Signal strengths on various transponders all down.

An hour later, ALL are back up. Apparently, a problem with DISH transmission ?

BajaNuts - 6-26-2009 at 04:17 PM

I agree with MrBillM........ (wow, did I really say that?!?:o)

...about the flexible morality. Pay for TV and then break the law speeding.

I really do follow all the speed limits and driving signs, I don't litter, I adopt abandoned animals and I volunteer or donate to many worthy causes. I pay (WAY TOO MUCH) taxes and take every deduction possibe, but I don't falsify receipts. I can't speak for my neighbors who use fta, but I can sleep at night.

sanfelipebob - 6-26-2009 at 06:03 PM

I enjoyed the great depths that you all travel to justify your criminal activity. It is truely entertaining. I guess if you spew it enough, you begin to believe it. :no::lol:

[Edited on 6-27-2009 by sanfelipebob]

[Edited on 6-27-2009 by sanfelipebob]

Personally................

MrBillM - 6-26-2009 at 09:26 PM

AND, speaking only for myself, it's not so much that I've ever attempted to justify ANYTHING I've ever done. I simply do whatever I feel is in my best interests tempered only by the likelihood of running afoul of the law or someone else's contrary opinion regarding that activity.

AND, I've never lost any sleep over it save those times when I was concerned about the knock on the door on some rather egregious occasions. Once that passed, I slept OK.

But, that's just me.

larryC - 6-28-2009 at 08:14 AM

MrBill
Actually if, and it is a big IF, Dishnet ever has enough evidence to take you to a civil court the notification will not be a knock on the door it will come as a certified letter in your mail box. Thats assuming you have a US address. I played that game with DTV a few years back and didn't like it. Now I subscribe and use it down here illegally like everyone else. I have to admit I do miss the old days of H and HU cards, lots of fun while it lasted.
Larry

Moi ?

MrBillM - 6-28-2009 at 09:39 AM

The chances of finding ANY evidence that I have done anything illegal in regards to ANY subscription TV service is ZERO.

MY TV service runs a hundred bucks per month and I have NO illegal TV equipment.

The occasions in my (mostly youthful) past when I anticipated a knock on the door had to do with significant events in which I expected there might be a Bunch of Law Enforcement to show up because there was a witness I wasn't aware of. The consequences of which would make discussion of TV silly.

BUT, it never happened and I'm just a mellow old man now.

skipowell - 11-9-2009 at 07:03 PM

:bounce:
Be gentle this is my first post! I just signed up tonight so I guess I am offically a newbie!

We have a house in Rosarito area and are considering subscribing to Direct TV in our San Diego home instead of cable. I am under the impression that if I get a second box I would be able to purchase another dish in Mexico and use the service when we are in Mexico. Is this really all there is to it? I feel this might be a bit more legitimate than purchasing a box from one of the many people who sell boxes in our community.
So when I have the Direct TV guy come to install at our house, what do I do to get the second box. Have him actually install it and then unhook it or will they just leave me an extra box?

BCSTech - 11-9-2009 at 08:50 PM

Ask the DirecTV guy. There are no doubt a number of SD Dealers who know the Shake and Bake of installing receivers that will find their way into Baja. They don't work for DirecTV-they're independent contractors.

You'll probably want to get the second receiver hooked up at your SD digs initially to at least get it authorized. Easier that way.

Or you could just get one box and then take it back and forth between the two locations. I don't know about DirecTV, but Dish Network can be really hot on policing accounts where multiple receivers on the same account aren't connected to the same US phone line capable of dialing the Mother Ship every now and then (Think VoIP).

fishingmako - 11-9-2009 at 09:12 PM

SKIPOWELL CHECK YOUR U2U UPPER RIGHT CORNER OF BAJA NOMAD SITE.

monoloco - 11-9-2009 at 10:06 PM

Easier to just read a book.

losfrailes - 11-10-2009 at 08:49 AM

Skipowell

Go directly to Amerisat, 7263 Engineer Rd, Suite C, San Diego
Ask for Bob Dudley, phone is 858-505-1122
Let him know what you want and he will set you up. It is not rocket science nor very difficult to do.

Tell him Los Frailes sent you.