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Ley Seca suspended in Ensenada!

bajabound2005 - 7-2-2009 at 09:36 PM

The mayor of Ensenada has announced that liquor WILL be sold all weekend in spite of the election on Sunday. He asks that everyone be responsible....

DENNIS - 7-2-2009 at 09:44 PM

I think he owns a bar.

woody with a view - 7-3-2009 at 06:58 AM

isn't it a federal law that the mayor is over riding??? oh yeah, it's mexico....

k-rico - 7-3-2009 at 07:09 AM

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Originally posted by woody in ob
isn't it a federal law that the mayor is over riding??? oh yeah, it's mexico....

Bought any medical marijuana in CA lately?? That's against federal law.

Sorry, I'm sensitive about gringos slamming Mexico for the same things that happen in the US.

[Edited on 7-3-2009 by k-rico]

bajadock - 7-3-2009 at 07:29 AM

SENATE APPROVES LEGISLATION TO ELIMINATE DRY LAW ON ELECTION DAY....(Doc's edit....2006 article, hoping for some better historical documentation "la ley seca" from more scholarly Nomads)

href="http://www.thefreelibrary.com/SENATE+APPROVES+LEGISLATION+TO+ELIMINATE+DRY+LAW+ON+ELECTION+DAY-a0143311148">SENATE APPROVES LEGISLATION TO ELIMINATE DRY LAW ON ELECTION DAY.</a>

In a unanimous vote in late February, the Senate approved changes to the electoral code (Codigo Federal de Instituciones y Procedimientos Electorales, COFIPE), eliminating a federal prohibition on alcohol sales on the federal election day. The changes to the dry law, in effect for almost a century, will be applicable to the presidential and congressional elections on July 2, 2006.

Under the reform to article 239 of the COFIPE, restaurants and other establishments will no longer be subject to federal restrictions on the sale of alcoholic products on election day and the day prior to the election.

The Senate measure, similar to one the Chamber of Deputies approved in May, 2005, was promoted by the Camara Nacional de la Industria de Restaurantes y Alimentos Condimentados (CANIRAC) and the Asociacion Mexicana de Hoteles y Moteles (AMHM).

"The discontent with the dry law has been growing during the past few years, especially in regions of the country where the principal activity is foreign tourism," said the text of the Senate legislation. "Merchants in these areas were incurring heavy economic losses."

In recent years, many critics called for repeal of the law, which they called outdated because many of the election safeguards that were put in place in 1915 no longer apply to modern society.

The dry law was first imposed by Sonora Gov. Plutarco Elias Calles in 1915 to discourage violence and abstentionism This article is about political strategy used in Ireland. For the Christian theological position relating to alcoholic beverages, see Christianity and alcohol.

Abstentionism on election day. Elias Calles later served as Mexican president from 1924 to 1928.

"This law guarantees that citizens will show up at the polls...and will exercise their right to vote in a responsible manner," said the text of the law, which was eventually extended to the rest of the country.

The COFIPE reform retained a clause that allows state and local authorities to decide whether to keep the prohibition in place locally.

CANIRAC and AMHM representatives said this could present a problem, as states like Chiapas and Yucatan have traditionally supplemented their state coffers by selling special permits to merchants that would allow them to sell alcoholic beverages on election day. "These are earnings that they may not want to surrender so easily," CANIRAC president Sergio Larraguivel said last year after the measure in the lower house was approved.

There were also some opponents of the measure who raised concerns about eliminating the alcohol restrictions on election day. "From our point of view, alcoholism is the number-one problem in our country, and the presence of alcohol could harm the electoral process by promoting abstentionism or encouraging conflicts," said Lupita Rodriguez Martinez, a columnist for the Monterrey daily newspaper El Porvenir El Porvenir (Spanish: "The Future") is occasionally used as a toponym:

Electoral authorities, however, said the end of the dry law does not mean a complete relaxation of guidelines on election day. "Any citizen who shows up at the polls inebriated inebriated will not be allowed to exercise his or her right to vote," said Arturo Sanchez Gutierrez, a councilor

[Edited on 7-3-2009 by bajadock]

woody with a view - 7-3-2009 at 07:38 AM

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Originally posted by k-rico

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Originally posted by woody in ob
isn't it a federal law that the mayor is over riding??? oh yeah, it's mexico....

Bought any medical marijuana in CA lately?? That's against federal law.

Sorry, I'm sensitive about gringos slamming Mexico for the same things that happen in the US.

[Edited on 7-3-2009 by k-rico]

point taken.....

edit: and no, i haven't bought any lately!

[Edited on 7-3-2009 by woody in ob]

bacquito - 7-3-2009 at 09:20 AM

Good for Mexico!

Woooosh - 7-3-2009 at 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by woody in ob

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Originally posted by k-rico

Quote:

Originally posted by woody in ob
isn't it a federal law that the mayor is over riding??? oh yeah, it's mexico....

Bought any medical marijuana in CA lately?? That's against federal law.

Sorry, I'm sensitive about gringos slamming Mexico for the same things that happen in the US.

[Edited on 7-3-2009 by k-rico]

point taken.....

edit: and no, i haven't bought any lately!

[Edited on 7-3-2009 by woody in ob]

at $20/gram why would anyone use a pot dispensery that could buy it ten times cheaper on the street? These places take food stamps and credit cards and truly prey on the most sick who can least afford it. If it's really medicine- control the price too, just like pharmaceuticals.

Rosarito has always been dry for the election day. If it wasn't this year- you would think there would be a huge marketing campaign by Torres and all to build some hype for the holiday weekend. Too busy still playing the victim to grab an opportunity.

[Edited on 7-3-2009 by Woooosh]

camador - 7-3-2009 at 11:06 AM

Dry law makes no sense since people just buy a lot of alcohol a day or two before, and they got drunk anyway.

Woooosh - 7-3-2009 at 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by camador
Dry law makes no sense since people just buy a lot of alcohol a day or two before, and they got drunk anyway.

There you go thinking Mexicans actually plan for tomorrow...

Hook - 7-3-2009 at 12:53 PM

So, is the alcohol ban in effect or isn't it?

Thirsty throats want to know..............

CaboRon - 7-3-2009 at 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh

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Originally posted by camador
Dry law makes no sense since people just buy a lot of alcohol a day or two before, and they got drunk anyway.

There you go thinking Mexicans actually plan for tomorrow...

DENNIS - 7-3-2009 at 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by Hook
So, is the alcohol ban in effect or isn't it?

Thirsty throats want to know..............

It's Mexico. Quien sabe? Just don't get caught with your pants down and your refrigerator empty.

Bajahowodd - 7-3-2009 at 01:08 PM

I'm in Los Cabos today. I was told alcohol will be available.

Hook - 7-3-2009 at 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Hook
So, is the alcohol ban in effect or isn't it?

Thirsty throats want to know..............

It's Mexico. Quien sabe? Just don't get caught with your pants down and your refrigerator empty.

Or my pants full, perhaps............

I'm going to a baseball game tomorrow night. Might be difficult to smuggle my own in.

Beer and baseball...........it's become a very MEXICAN thing, too, for THIS gringo.

shari - 7-3-2009 at 03:28 PM

I can tell ya mexicans DO plan for tomorrow when it comes to beer....it's the talk of the town today to stock up tomorrow for sundays dry day. It's funny cause most people have some family member who owns a store so everyone gets it anyway...and stores were charging 20 pesos more for illegal under the table sales on dry days.

I plan to do some celebrating as it will be my first time voting here in mi quierido mexico!

[Edited on 7-3-2009 by shari]

CaboRon - 7-3-2009 at 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I'm in Los Cabos today. I was told alcohol will be available.

Different state ...

k-rico - 7-3-2009 at 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by shari
I can tell ya mexicans DO plan for tomorrow when it comes to beer....it's the talk of the town today to stock up tomorrow for sundays dry day. It's funny cause most people have some family member who owns a store so everyone gets it anyway...and stores were charging 20 pesos more for illegal under the table sales on dry days.

I plan to do some celebrating as it will be my first time voting here in mi quierido mexico!

[Edited on 7-3-2009 by shari]

Just got back from a beer run to the local OXXO, the beer shelves are emptying out. Hopefully they'll restock tomorrow.

I should have bought more. Looks like it's going to be a sunny, hot (high 70s, low 80s) weekend at the TJ beach.

:bounce:

Pops - 7-3-2009 at 07:26 PM

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Originally posted by camador
Dry law makes no sense since people just buy a lot of alcohol a day or two before, and they got drunk anyway.

Hey !!

I resemble that completely !!

:lol:

durrelllrobert - 7-4-2009 at 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by Hook
So, is the alcohol ban in effect or isn't it?

Thirsty throats want to know..............

acording to Sharky's in Punta Banda yesterday: no sales at liquor stores and the bars are still waiting to hear :?:

Osprey - 7-4-2009 at 12:51 PM

U.S. or Mexico = remember, recuerdo

"If you go forth with a fifth on the fourth, you might not go forth on the fifth."

Woooosh - 7-4-2009 at 09:50 PM

I had two mexican cousins over today and they couldn't agree whether it was legal tomorrow or not.

DENNIS - 7-5-2009 at 06:21 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
I had two mexican cousins over today and they couldn't agree whether it was legal tomorrow or not.

Typical Mexico.....everybody just thinks they know the laws but, nobody really does. Just like immigration regulations....the law seems to be different from town to town.
Waddya gonna do?

bajamigo - 7-5-2009 at 07:48 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Woooosh
I had two mexican cousins over today and they couldn't agree whether it was legal tomorrow or not.

Typical Mexico.....everybody just thinks they know the laws but, nobody really does. Just like immigration regulations....the law seems to be different from town to town.
Waddya gonna do?

Shocking, when one considers they have such a shining example to the north.

DENNIS - 7-5-2009 at 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by bajamigo
Shocking, when one considers they have such a shining example to the north.

The USA / MEX comparison is a pointless refuge for those who have no argument. It's used way too often on this board but, you can do better than that, Vince. I didn't say it was a flaw in the system.....only a characteristic of it.

By the way.......Next time you're out amongst them, ask how often they look to the US for shining examples. The question, on its own, will be met with heartfelt revulsion and best not suggested south of the border.

Nonsense

Dave - 7-5-2009 at 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

Typical Mexico.....everybody just thinks they know the laws but, nobody really does.

Most every Mexican knows the law...every nuance. Most choose to either ignore or manipulate it. Especially when it can be used for one's own benefit. :rolleyes:

DENNIS - 7-5-2009 at 11:35 AM

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Originally posted by Dave

Most every Mexican knows the law...every nuance. Most choose to either ignore or manipulate it. Especially when it can be used for one's own benefit. :rolleyes:

I disagree. MOST Mexicans have no conception of the letter of the law. What they do know from tradition is oppression and under that iron-fist rule, most everything is illegal untill the proper conditions are met to be approved of ones actions. That goes for guilt and innocence as well.
As Vince refered to above, the shining northern example, decisions are for sale and bought regularly...."To the wealthy go the spoils."
Where Vince got confused was, Mexico has been doing it a lot longer than the USA. So...who is setting the shining example?

I have employees with difficulty reading and writing...

Dave - 7-5-2009 at 11:52 AM

But their knowledge of Mexican labor law is astounding.

And my landlord has minimal education but a doctorate in contract law.

DENNIS - 7-5-2009 at 12:18 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

I have employees with difficulty reading and writing...
But their knowledge of Mexican labor law is astounding.

And my landlord has minimal education but a doctorate in contract law.

Astounding on the few points that are in place for their protection. That is the stuff of everyday conversation among the employed. That they are aware of these things is all that keeps employers from screwing them but, not always. Employee grievances are many....you know that and you also know their scant knowledge of labor laws doesn't qualify them to be para-legals in the field.

As for your land lord........On-line doctorates are available to anyone. Doctorates from Mexican universities are of like quality so, I'm not impressed with that one either.

My point remains.........There are many who profess to KNOW the law but, few actually do. I wouldn't put my faith in anyone less than a high placed academic to tell me what's right and what's wrong. I, like most others, am left to rely on the guesswork of so-called experts. Your dish washers qualify for that.

MitchMan - 7-5-2009 at 01:10 PM

For what it is worth, the few Mexican lawyers and accountants that I have had to deal with are, compared to the average expertise of American lawyers and accountants, absolutely horrifically ignorant of their specific area of licensed expertise. I have never gotten the feeling that any of them have a genuine interest in their respective fields and spend zero time in current research or in staying current. I get the feeling that these guys simply say and do what they can get away with to get their fee.

I have had to study and research Mexican tax law myself to get the definitive answers I needed. Then, I wound up educating them with documentation. What astounded me is their complete lack of shame yet comfort at not knowing what should have been common knowledge to them. Once I asked my Mexican CPA some basic questions relating to simple capital gains type transactions and he said that he should charge me extra because these questions were "legal" questions!

There's alot more I can tell you all about incompetence at every level in Mexico that I have personally experienced. It is nothing short of astounding among government agencies, educated professionals and common laborers. I expect less of common laborers, but from professionals that charge from $100 to $400 USD per hour, well, they don't exhibit nearly the level of knowledge that they should AND the work ethic and lack of curiousity of these so called professionals isn't any better than common laborers, actually it's worse, now that I think of it.

My wife keeps telling me to let it go. She keeps reminding me that the reason that I said that I am going to Baja is to get away from the hustle and bustle of USA city life, and she's right. So, I am letting it go. But, I am not forgetting the grief and the knowledge of the absolute incompetence at every corner. I am looking foreward to the time I don't have to deal with it anymore. I am almost there. Then I will just pay my monthly utility bills, fido fees, do my FM3 filings and Secretaria filings myself, fish, drink, and eat in peace.

[Edited on 7-5-2009 by MitchMan]

DENNIS - 7-5-2009 at 01:22 PM

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Originally posted by MitchMan
I am almost there. Then I will just pay my monthly utility bills, fido fees, do my FM3 filings and Secretaria filings myself, fish, drink, and eat in peace.

Try as you will, you'll never completely escape the ineptitude that makes this country "great"....or whatever.

Hook - 7-5-2009 at 04:15 PM

Well, anyway, it was dry over here both days...............well, I should say the DRINKING ESTABLISHMENTS were dry. :smug:

bajamigo - 7-5-2009 at 04:33 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Dave

Most every Mexican knows the law...every nuance. Most choose to either ignore or manipulate it. Especially when it can be used for one's own benefit. :rolleyes:

Your sophistry notwithstanding, my comment was neither a condemnation of our process (or Mexico's) nor an expression of confusion. I was making the point, perhaps too subtly, that nobody on either side of the border knows "all the laws." I can't speak to Mexican jurisprudence, but when you consider that many US laws consume multivolumes to express, very few of us mortals have a chance at solid understanding of all the law. I'm sure it's the same on this side of the border, probably worse. Of course, since you can divine my thought processes and state of mind from a single sentence, you may be the exception.

JESSE - 7-5-2009 at 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by Dave
But their knowledge of Mexican labor law is astounding.

Ley Seca trip report

bajadock - 7-5-2009 at 04:48 PM

Downtown was a bit busy, the beach close to downtown was full of people and Ensenada bay had a few more boats out.

My crew exhausted our XX and Pacifico supply earlier this weekend, so we optimistically added ice to our coolers hoping to add those refreshments. Success, thanks to the politicians for supporting local businesses and local customers.

I like this independence day celebration spirit

Perfect day on the water earlier and now from my perch on Punta Banda.

[Edited on 7-6-2009 by bajadock]

[Edited on 7-6-2009 by bajadock]

bajabound2005 - 7-5-2009 at 05:25 PM

Gotta love Ensenada's mayor!

DENNIS - 7-5-2009 at 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by bajamigo
Your sophistry notwithstanding,

Of course, since you can divine my thought processes and state of mind from a single sentence, you may be the exception.

I'll accept "sophistry" as a compliment as you perhaps, or not, meant it.

As for your abreviated overview of the case in point, you leave me with no other method to keep up than extrapolation. Basic assumption helps as well.
If you want to be understood, say something understandable that doesn't require a secret code.

Truer words were never spoken

Dave - 7-5-2009 at 06:09 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

Try as you will, you'll never completely escape the ineptitude that makes this country "great"....or whatever.

If you're a gringo living here comfortably.

If you're Mexican...not so much. :rolleyes:

DENNIS - 7-5-2009 at 07:05 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

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Originally posted by DENNIS

Try as you will, you'll never completely escape the ineptitude that makes this country "great"....or whatever.

If you're a gringo living here comfortably.

If you're Mexican...not so much. :rolleyes:

Explaination please.

shari - 7-5-2009 at 07:29 PM

some stores wouldnt sell beer even yesterday...more did. One place that was a possible under the table sales local...was sold out!!!!!jajaja
good thing I stocked up yesterday for my "1st time voting in mexico" celebration!

Dave - 7-6-2009 at 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave

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Originally posted by DENNIS

Try as you will, you'll never completely escape the ineptitude that makes this country "great"....or whatever.

If you're a gringo living here comfortably.

If you're Mexican...not so much. :rolleyes:

Explaination please.

We gringos aren't affected by lack of social services, stagnant wages, inflation, inadequate housing and education, economic downturns and the like. We have our own resources.

Mexicans don't.

Additionally, if it breaks down we have an escape route.

Mexicans are stuck.

gnukid - 7-6-2009 at 11:45 AM

Mexicans have friendship, family, humor, and joy in living each and every day.

In the USA we have water pressure, paved roads and massive forced debt, increasing bailouts to umpteen trillions, vast bankruptcy, a military industrial complex that runs every aspect of our life with an inefficient government larger than even the world economy can support. Worse the USA media machine is so vast projecting half-truths and lies, its shadow government so devious and malicious that it systematically destroys and kills its own people with depleted uranium, genetically modified foods, vaccines, chemicals, specious financial markets and a out of control police that has been trained to turn on its' people with tasers and gunshots if they flinch incorecctly.

Worse the American people in general are each unwilling to take a look at themselves or their situation or act, presumably because "its the other guy who is suffering worse than me", like a perenial 'dialing for dollars' or 'let's make a deal', the American believes that he is just about to win the lottery, so let the others suffer, I am going to win.

DENNIS - 7-6-2009 at 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
In the USA we have water pressure, paved roads and massive forced debt, increasing bailouts to umpteen trillions, vast bankruptcy, a military industrial complex that runs every aspect of our life with an inefficient government larger than even the world economy can support. Worse the USA media machine is so vast projecting half-truths and lies, its shadow government so devious and malicious that it systematically destroys and kills its own people with depleted uranium, genetically modified foods, vaccines, chemicals, specious financial markets and a out of control police that has been trained to turn on its' people with tasers and gunshots if they flinch incorecctly.

Worse the American people in general are each unwilling to take a look at themselves or their situation or act, presumably because "its the other guy who is suffering worse than me", like a perenial 'dialing for dollars' or 'let's make a deal', the American believes that he is just about to win the lottery, so let the others suffer, I am going to win.

Good Golly, Gnu.... You should have posted this on Independence Day. That would have added a bit more to the ludicrousness of it all.
Take those meds Gnu. The shrink gave them to you for a good reason.

gnukid - 7-6-2009 at 01:10 PM

Har har harumph happy continued holiday Dennis. Harde har hahaha. But let us not forget our individual responsibility to uphold the law and the Constitution and save America from the hands of global banking thieves.

Funny you bring up 4th of July, Independence day, which is a fitting suggestion since the subject of independence is the matter at hand.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090703_the_age_of_pain...

So happy Independence day-I am heading into day 11 of the celebration at the beach!

Today at 7:30 at our beach we will have a moment of silence for those people killed in these senseless wars. Please join us.

DENNIS - 7-6-2009 at 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
Today at 7:30 at our beach we will have a moment of silence for those people killed in these senseless wars. Please join us.

Thanks for the invite, Gnu. Appreciate that. Since I can't tell if it's AM or PM, I'll just pay my silent respects throughout the day. Good idea on your part.

Guess it's a stretch but...

Dave - 7-6-2009 at 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
Today at 7:30 at our beach we will have a moment of silence for those people killed in these senseless wars. Please join us.

Any chance on your silence lasting more than a moment?

tripledigitken - 7-6-2009 at 04:31 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
Mexicans have friendship, family, humor, and joy in living each and every day.

In the USA we have water pressure, paved roads and massive forced debt, increasing bailouts to umpteen trillions, vast bankruptcy, a military industrial complex that runs every aspect of our life with an inefficient government larger than even the world economy can support. Worse the USA media machine is so vast projecting half-truths and lies, its shadow government so devious and malicious that it systematically destroys and kills its own people with depleted uranium, genetically modified foods, vaccines, chemicals, specious financial markets and a out of control police that has been trained to turn on its' people with tasers and gunshots if they flinch incorecctly.

Worse the American people in general are each unwilling to take a look at themselves or their situation or act, presumably because "its the other guy who is suffering worse than me", like a perenial 'dialing for dollars' or 'let's make a deal', the American believes that he is just about to win the lottery, so let the others suffer, I am going to win.

Gnukid,

Your view of America and American's is a little slanted. I think you watch too much Jerry Springer and think that's the typical American. Are you quoting here, as you say "we have....", I thought you live in La Paz? By the way, most of my friends here in America also have friendship, family, humor and joy each day, Mexico isn't unique in that regard amigo.

Your rant deserves to be in Off Topic by the way!

Ken