BajaNomad - Campaign to promote tourism activation in BCS

Campaign to promote tourism activation in BCS

camador - 7-6-2009 at 09:14 AM

The Tourism Secretary of Baja California Sur, Hotels Associations & CPTM (Consejo de Promocion Turistica de Mexico) join efforts on this project development.

http://www.radarpolitico.com/2009/07/06/impulsan-campana-de-...

k-rico - 7-6-2009 at 09:29 AM

In English

Woooosh - 7-6-2009 at 10:13 AM

They really have no understanding of the current world econimc events and trends- do they? They think it's all about them. Very sad really. San Diego tourism in down 31% and if they could change that with some marketing they certainly would. Maybe they are saving the Tequila Project video for the big marketing fianale!

Right now San Diego is playing nicey nice with baja for tourists- but if it comes down to it they will encourage people to staycation stateside. Well, in fact they are already doing that.

On top of that. The election yesterday is moving Mexico backwards and it will soon be quietly tolerating, not fighting the narcos again. All the narco-supported candidates won the support of the people. How do you market to that reality? What a mess Calderon caused by beating the hornets nest with his small stick. It cost him and the country mucho dinero and mucho lives without any net benefit to the people- and now he's on his way out the door already.

As a world citizen- Mexico needs to take a teqwuila shot and then sit down, shut up and hold on-- because the economy everywhere is going to get much worse before it gets any better. Tourism is a luxury, luxuries are on hold.

[Edited on 7-6-2009 by Woooosh]

CaboRon - 7-6-2009 at 10:27 AM

What can you say ..... another election bought and sold to the highest bidder .... mexicans are still........

stuck in that fourth world frame of mind .....

wilderone - 7-6-2009 at 10:40 AM

For English, I use this - not too bad:

http://www.spanishdict.com/translation

Pescador - 7-6-2009 at 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by CaboRon
What can you say ..... another election bought and sold to the highest bidder .... mexicans are still........

stuck in that fourth world frame of mind .....

Ronnie got his feelings hurt because he came to Mexico thinking it was just like the US only cheaper and now he goes to Las Vegas and we can only imagine that he may well have adjustment problems as well there. I for one am really tired of the constant barrage of mexico bashing like he really has a valid point to make. Life goes on, get over yourself and let it go or are you on some kind of personal gratification trip to up your post count on a site you detest so that you can impress people who you really don't like or agree with?

CaboRon - 7-6-2009 at 11:08 AM

Fish dude,
Just telling it like it is .... :lol:

Timing is everything

Dave - 7-6-2009 at 11:17 AM

If you're a comedian.

I question the wisdom of tourist promotion now, when the average temperature down there is approaching the inside of my oven.

JESSE - 7-6-2009 at 11:39 AM

The very same goverment that put togheter this promotion plan. Had the wisdom to claim they where going to pump billions of dollars in the form of low interest loans to those small tourism dependant businesses affected by the swine flu scare. In reality, 90% of that money will never actually be loaned because in order to get the loan, your business pretty much needs to be perfect financial help, have paid all your taxes, and have everything in order. On top of that, no alcohol sales on sunday wich erased most tourist businesses already small profits for the week.

Caboron who never seems to get anything right, has just done it again. Claims Mexican are stuck on stupid.

Well, yesterdays elections where a disaster for the very same party that did all of this. They lost total control of congress, and 3 governorships.

Not bad for a 9 yr old democracy.

They're baaack...

Dave - 7-6-2009 at 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE

Not bad for a 9 yr old democracy.

PRI wins big.

Sounds like Mexico's experiment with democracy will soon end.

Turning back from mostly to totally corrupt.

Good!

It'll take the guesswork out of whom to bribe. :rolleyes:

CaboRon - 7-6-2009 at 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

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Originally posted by JESSE

Not bad for a 9 yr old democracy.

PRI wins big.

Sounds like Mexico's experiment with democracy will soon end.

Turning back from mostly to totally corrupt.

Good!

It'll take the guesswork out of whom to bribe. :rolleyes:

And the saga continues :lol:

JESSE - 7-6-2009 at 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

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Originally posted by JESSE

Not bad for a 9 yr old democracy.

PRI wins big.

Sounds like Mexico's experiment with democracy will soon end.

Turning back from mostly to totally corrupt.

Good!

It'll take the guesswork out of whom to bribe. :rolleyes:

No Dave, little by little parties start to understand that theres a price to be paid for bad goverment. And the truth is, that regardless of the realities of the past, things have improved.

I am in my 30´s and i can still remember when thugs would stand at most polling stations making sure you would vote for their party. Or times where torture was rampant. Times when you couldn´t crticize the president, now they mock him in TV and magazines. I still think for a 9 yr old democracy at the end, things are not that bad.

k-rico - 7-6-2009 at 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

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Originally posted by JESSE

Not bad for a 9 yr old democracy.

PRI wins big.

Sounds like Mexico's experiment with democracy will soon end.

Turning back from mostly to totally corrupt.

Good!

It'll take the guesswork out of whom to bribe. :rolleyes:

You may be overstating the situation:

Vote counts:

2006 Presidential election:

PAN 35.89%
PRD 35.31%
PRI 22.26%

2006 Chamber of Deputies elections:

PAN 33.41%
PRD 28.99%
PRI 28.18%

2006 Senate elections:

PAN 33.63%
PRD 29.70%
PRI 27.99%

Are things even more equally split now?

Are you surprised that the incumbent party lost power when things are worse than when it won the power? That happens everywhere.

Isn't the big risk the PRD coming out on top in the next presidential election?

[Edited on 7-6-2009 by k-rico]

Woooosh - 7-6-2009 at 01:01 PM

it's the devil you know- or the devil you don't know- choose your poison.

Well now we know why 11 million mexicans have left for the USA. The only way to win down here is not to play then game.

A 9 year old democracy where the people elected the narcos. Now that's a marketing tool they can exploit. SOS for sure, the people this time. It's like the Germans reelecting the naz*s and asking the jews to return to vacation there.

k-rico - 7-6-2009 at 01:16 PM

Will somebody please say something intelligent about this election? Haven't seen much yet, except for JESSE.

[Edited on 7-6-2009 by k-rico]

CaboRon - 7-6-2009 at 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico
Will somebody please say something intelligent about this election? Haven't seen much yet, except for JESSE.

[Edited on 7-6-2009 by k-rico]

And he keeps ranting about a nine year old democracy ...

What the heck was the revolution about ...

Maybe he means 9 years of voting without coercion :lol:

JESSE - 7-6-2009 at 01:29 PM

Right now political parties are stuck in the past, they are about the only things that havent changed since 2000. What will it take for them to change? my guess is that eventually they will understand that caos is not a good thing for them, and a good thing for the country.

Wooosh,

Northern Baja has been in many ways, blessed and cursed by being the first state to win a non PRI governorship. We elected a non PRI governor in 1989, but did not have the support (in fact the feds back then, probably helped create the crime problem) of the federal goverment. People in the north are two steps ahead and more from the rest of Mexico when it comes to politics, but they are fed up. Tijuana also is a city where the mayority of the people are not from the area. Most are from central and southern Mexico and don´t know the Hank or his history in the city. I know for a fact that locals overwhelmingly did not vote for Hank.

It is clear that everybody understands that things have to change, but the old greedy politicians we have now don´t know anything about actually being a good public servant. All they see is how to keep their jobs, so they can keep living off the budget.

JESSE - 7-6-2009 at 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by CaboRon

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Originally posted by k-rico
Will somebody please say something intelligent about this election? Haven't seen much yet, except for JESSE.

[Edited on 7-6-2009 by k-rico]

And he keeps ranting about a nine year old democracy ...

What the heck was the revolution about ...

Maybe he means 9 years of voting without coercion :lol:

It is obvious your here just to kill some time. If you don´t have ways to kill time in your area. Don´t think we all have as much to waste as you. This is a discussion, all you do is type the first thing that comes into your troubled mind.

It would be a lot more fun for you and us, if you put a little substance into your responses.

k-rico - 7-6-2009 at 01:39 PM

Here's some clips from today's reporting.

Voters punished the PAN for Mexico's current economic slump. The PRI took more than 36 percent of the vote versus the PAN's 28 percent, a bigger margin than was suggested by pre-election polls.

Jorge Dominguez, an expert on Latin America at Harvard University, plays down the idea that a PRI resurgence would reverse the democratic process.

"These are new times, and the PRI must and will adjust if it is to survive and remain competitive," Dominguez said. "So far, the PRI has shown to be a active yet respectful opposition party."

Steven Levitsky, also a Latin American expert at Harvard University, said that Mexico's successful elections are evidence that is far from becoming a failed state – noted as a possibility in a recent Pentagon report. Mexico is on course to becoming a "serious democracy," he said, despite a string of recent challenges, including the economic recession, swine flu outbreak and drug violence.

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The national vote to elect 500 new members of the federal Camara de Diputados (the lower house of Congress) showed the PRI to be well ahead. At 11:30 a.m. on Monday, the PRI led with 36.62 percent of the vote compared to 27.96 percent for the PAN.

Some analysts are saying this is a major blow to President Felipe Calderon and a reflection of his handling of the economic crisis and his inability to reduce crime in Mexico. He may now find a PRI-led Congress more reluctant to pass a slew of important reforms he is expected to submit in the coming legislative session.

The left-wing PRD suffered a bad day and trailed in third place with 12.23 percent of the vote.

JESSE - 7-6-2009 at 01:41 PM

k-rico

I fully agree with that report.

k-rico - 7-6-2009 at 02:02 PM

I wonder how the election would have turned out if the worldwide (almost) recession did not happen. Tough break for the PAN and the effects are totally out of their control.

And, hopefully, Calderon will get the message that the price for his war on drugs is too high and he needs to change his tactics. Like Wooosh said, he jammed a stick into a hornets nest and the results we all know, including the drastic reduction in one Mexico's biggest businesses, tourism.

Looks to me that democracy is alive and well in Mexico. I haven't seen anything about election fraud, there are THREE strong parties offering distinct options, and the electorate is involved.

I worry about the PRD but it looks like they made a poor showing.

Woooosh - 7-6-2009 at 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
Right now political parties are stuck in the past, they are about the only things that havent changed since 2000. What will it take for them to change? my guess is that eventually they will understand that caos is not a good thing for them, and a good thing for the country.

Wooosh,

Northern Baja has been in many ways, blessed and cursed by being the first state to win a non PRI governorship. We elected a non PRI governor in 1989, but did not have the support (in fact the feds back then, probably helped create the crime problem) of the federal goverment. People in the north are two steps ahead and more from the rest of Mexico when it comes to politics, but they are fed up. Tijuana also is a city where the mayority of the people are not from the area. Most are from central and southern Mexico and don´t know the Hank or his history in the city. I know for a fact that locals overwhelmingly did not vote for Hank.

It is clear that everybody understands that things have to change, but the old greedy politicians we have now don´t know anything about actually being a good public servant. All they see is how to keep their jobs, so they can keep living off the budget.

I get all that, really. Mexico is a new democracy (but you wouldn't know that to listen to them). It is corrupt by design (thanks to spanish roots) and resistant to change. It is struggling to get the support of its people (clearly). So just say that. Instead Mexico tries to compete on the same level as the USA and industrialized world. It gets overly defensive when it can't. I don't have a problem with Mexico taking it's sweet time- as long as they would stop all the non-stop bravado talk and admit where they are and how far there is left it is to go.

This poor victim thing all the time is nauseating. "Poor Mexico- so far from god- so close to the USA" thing is a hundred years old already- get over it. Dias died in 1910. Give it a rest. Stuck for a hundred years on stupid is all that means.

They couldn't even convince the people to support Calderon and his anti-narco position. That would have made a statement. The narco supported governors won. So why do they try to conivice us gringos that everything is fine and they are number one? How can they convince tourists to visit or investors to invest when their own people hate the government so much?

[Edited on 7-6-2009 by Woooosh]

[Edited on 7-6-2009 by Woooosh]

Hook - 7-6-2009 at 02:17 PM

PAN did quite well over here in Sonora. We have a PAN guv and the heads of Hermosillo and Guaymas were also PAN members. Virtually all the diputado districts were PAN.

The Sonorans I've talked to are done with PRI forever. They realize it was PRI that allowed the cartels to get so big and this is no time to be embracing them now. They also feel the economic situation is out of Mexico's control.

arrowhead - 7-6-2009 at 02:19 PM

It's true that the PRI/Drugcartel continuum swept the elections on the mainland, but PAN won all the 8 federal districts in Baja. That sets up an interesting dynamic. I don't know where that will end up. It seems that Baja is moving closer to the way the US thinks, while the rest of Mexico is regressing.

Like I've said a few times before here, I think the next President of Mexico will be a drug dealer. Mexicans are looking forward to the peace, but it will be a Pyrrhic victory. With the government of Mexico allied once again with the drug cartels, the relationship with the US will turn cold. Mutual support will fade. Bilateral commerce will diminish with the chilling of relationships. With a still-sour world economy, it won't be hard for the US to reduce its trade with Mexico and be more protectionist.

Once again, Mexico will shoot itself in the foot looking for the path of least resistance, instead of doing what is correct and necessary.

What was old will be new again

Dave - 7-6-2009 at 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico
"These are new times, and the PRI must and will adjust if it is to survive and remain competitive," Dominguez said. "So far, the PRI has shown to be a active yet respectful opposition party."

And I would expect this to continue until they regain power. Single party rule is never respectful of opposition. The PRI is living testament to this maxim. If you need further proof simply look at the current political climate in parts of Central and South America.

k-rico - 7-6-2009 at 02:23 PM

Wooosh said: "The narco supported governors won."

Why do you think they are "narco supported"?
Latest news I could find:

Six of the country’s 31 governorships were also up for election. Preliminary counts showed the PRI was winning governors’ races in the states of Queretaro, Nuevo Leon, Colima, San Luis Potosi and Campeche, according to the IFE. The PAN was winning in Sonora state.

k-rico - 7-6-2009 at 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

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Single party rule in Mexico? I think the stats I posted about the 2006 elections show that Mexico's government is clearly and almost equally composed of 3 parties.

Dave - 7-6-2009 at 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico

Single party rule in Mexico? I think the stats I posted about the 2006 elections show that Mexico's government is clearly and almost equally composed of 3 parties.

2006 is long gone. PRI gained substantially in the latest round of elections. PAN and PRD lost.

As to minority party influence:

All during PRI's reign, there were minority parties. It only took 71 years to kill the dinosaurs.

Think it can't happen again?

Given the results of this election, most Mexicans don't...Or don't care. :rolleyes:

Woooosh - 7-6-2009 at 03:28 PM

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Originally posted by arrowhead
I don't know where that will end up. It seems that Baja is moving closer to the way the US thinks, while the rest of Mexico is regressing.

THIS is exactly what makes it important to Baja and Nomads. Baja being on a different political page than Mexico City is not good for anything Baja. No one rewards oppostion in this country. Permits, money, political change- all come from Mexico City. Calderon is in control- but of what?

[Edited on 7-6-2009 by Woooosh]

Dave - 7-6-2009 at 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
THIS is exactly what makes it important to Baja and Nomads. Baja being on a different political page than Mexico City is not good for anything Baja. No one rewards oppostion in this country. Permits, money, political change- all come from Mexico City. Calderon is in control- but of what?

I wouldn't care if they never improved a thing. What I do care about is tearing up what's there and either not finishing the job or making it worse.

That's what has happened to the road to Primo Tapia. Now I hear that Torres has finagled a 20mil development bank loan to pave all of Rosarito's streets.

It doesn't take a vivid imagination to figure out where most of the money will go. :rolleyes:

woody with a view - 7-6-2009 at 04:32 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico
Will somebody please say something intelligent about this election? Haven't seen much yet, except for JESSE.

[Edited on 7-6-2009 by k-rico]

WHERE'S THE FENCE?