BajaNomad - New Loreto (LTO) Airport Terminal to open tomorrow

New Loreto (LTO) Airport Terminal to open tomorrow

flyfishinPam - 7-15-2009 at 04:12 PM

The new Loreto airport terminal will start operations tomorrow. all arrivals and departing flights on alaska/horizon will be from there. I don't know about general aviation

I don't know if it is air conditioned but I do know that all arrivals will go through immigration and customs like before but unlike before in order to exit to the outside world through the lobby all will be coralled like cattle through the timeshare room first! I couldn't make this up. Many businesspeople in town think this is wrong, myself included. what are your thoughts?

fishbuck - 7-15-2009 at 04:16 PM

Might be worth if the fishing is good. :yes:

Bajahowodd - 7-15-2009 at 04:44 PM

If you have ever landed at SJD, you would know the drill. When the airports were the government responsibility, it just seemed to me that the government was complicit. You literally have to run a gauntlet of shouting offers, before you actually get to the outside. Frankly, I can understand such happening in a privately run airport. Not that I like it, but at least I understand the concept. I'm still skeptical, after all these years if Loreto will boom with timeshare. There's just not that much room. Perhaps, Ensenada Blanca may be the savior of Loreto. What I mean is that it becomes less than successful. Thus, no one else would gamble investment in the area. So, maybe a few hundred timeshare units may just be the best thing to happen to Loreto.

Crusoe - 7-15-2009 at 04:51 PM

If word gets out, and flying into Loreto becomes a very negative affair, then they will have shot themselves in the foot, so to speak, and people will not come back. To bad. ++C++

Don Alley - 7-15-2009 at 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by flyfishinPam
.... in order to exit to the outside world through the lobby all will be coralled like cattle through the timeshare room first! I couldn't make this up....

No! You're making this up!

:lol:

CaboRon - 7-15-2009 at 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by morgaine7

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Originally posted by flyfishinPam
unlike before in order to exit to the outside world through the lobby all will be coralled like cattle through the timeshare room first! I couldn't make this up. Many businesspeople in town think this is wrong, myself included. what are your thoughts?

Wrong? It sounds suicidal. They're assuming that arriving passengers will simply go along with this without complaint? I predict that it won't last long.
:fire:

Kate

It has been happening at SJD for as long as I can remember.

A really bad first impression :fire:

flyfishinPam - 7-15-2009 at 05:11 PM

I certainly hope it doesn't last long and I will find a way to make a formal complaint but in the meantime...

..we can make this fun. Got any comebacks or wisecracks for these timeshare hawkers that can be used?

k-rico - 7-15-2009 at 05:23 PM

Can't you just say "no thanks" and keep walking?

flyfishinPam - 7-15-2009 at 05:31 PM

well when I am cornered or forced into having to listen to these people "no thanks" is not enough (I already tried that several times!).

the folks who are arriving aren't asking for this invasion. so I think its alright to have fun with it, sorry if that is offensive or if it makes me seem immature but I am offended every time one of these idiots sticks their face in at my dinner table at a restaurant or if I am just minding my own business walking down the street asking me to go to a stupid presentation.

the hard sell does just the opposite for me and many others. you may not have noticed how aggressive some of these people are nor have you been threatened by them or received snide comments by them either as others here have.

A good product sells itself a good product does not require sleazy lying hawkers to sell it like these products rely on. aren't timeshares passé anyway?

backninedan - 7-15-2009 at 05:41 PM

I have a gun, go away!!!!

Pescador - 7-15-2009 at 06:22 PM

The same guys were at the old airport when my wife flew down in June and I got into a great conversation with one of the guys who told me that they were instructed to try to do little passenger conveniences to get on the good side of the clients. So I let him know that my wife needed a wheelchair since she did not have enough energy to make it all the way from the airplane to the terminal. Sure enough, he was there when she landed and wheeled her all the way to my truck at the parking area. He seemed a little dissapointed when he found out we were already property owners in baja, but pretty much took it in stride.
Pam, I think you just need to let your cutomers know this is going to happen and let them know if they play their cards right, they might get a free dinner or whatever out of the whole deal and they can always say no.
My mother, who is no longer with us, used to play these guys for all they were worth and always ended up with free meals, tv's, stereos, and all kinds of stuff and never sat through a presentation in her whole life.

ligui - 7-15-2009 at 06:50 PM

Hello ......! the he.. with the time share boys at the airport , keep walking until you get to the exit....

A new terminal will help the town bring in more money and even out the good times and the slow times.

Viva baja ....!

Paula - 7-15-2009 at 07:41 PM

Saying I'm not interested doesn't work for me. They pursue me-- following me down the street (or perhaps through the airport?), and stick with it until I turn around and yell at them to please stop bothering me (well, please isn't really the word I use), causing me to feel like a fool, and hoping nobody else saw me lose my cool.

But I've found one technique that is effective, though it takes a little time and effort. I just stop and listen, smiling and nodding. When they think they almost have me I interrupt them and tell them politely and in great detail why I don't like the timeshare concept, and their company in particular. I just keep going, without a pause for thought or breath. I mention sympathetically that I know it's tough to find work in Baja, and that I understand that folks have to earn a living. Then I begin to explain how these developments end up enriching a few people and making life worse for everyday people in the long run. By this time they are beginning to try to find a graceful way out of the conversation, and I start to wind down, wasting only another 5 or 10 minutes of their time-- 5 or 10 minutes that seem like an eternity as they are counting up all the hot prospects they have missed out on while I've wasted a chunk of their workday. I've been kind, helpful and sympathetic, asking them questions about their homes and families, so they can't really blow me off. And who knows-- maybe I've actually caused one or two of them to think about what they're doing.

A lot of effort, true. But word seems to get around, and when I smile and say hi to a salesperson on the street, they just smile back, looking a little nervous, and turn away, like they have something important to do. :saint:

Hook - 7-15-2009 at 07:51 PM

So, was this airport expansion due, in large part, to the emergence of Loreto Bay?

Bajahowodd - 7-15-2009 at 11:44 PM

Yeah. Seems a weird time for expansion. Back to the timeshare gauntlet. There should be rules. If as in SJD, they must stay behind the counters; not chase after you. You should be able to ignore them as you pass through. It's a shock to the uninformed. But repeat travelers will quickly learn to just take it in stride. AND, if there are attractive freebies, some folks might actually benefit (How about a free rental car). No obligation to buy. The real kicker is if they force you to make a cash deposit. it's up to you.

MMLT

bonanza bucko - 7-16-2009 at 07:59 AM

Loreto goes through a knot hole about once a year. One time it's a nasty and predatory Commandante who shakes down pilots and passengers; next it's a gas pump with a built in thumb on the scale and a pumper guy who can't make change; then it's a long walk and wait for migration, aduana y modida in the terminal.

It used to be almost worth all of the above because the terminal had a thatched roof, there was a DC3 parked outside and you had to go there for gas if you were bound for anywhere in the East Cape without fuel....or for MMML in the winter with winds outa 345 at 80kts at altitude.

I think I'll skip MMLT again until they discover who pays the bills. These guys are almost as bad as the USA (*&^ING gummint.

sourdough - 7-16-2009 at 08:28 AM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I'm still skeptical, after all these years if Loreto will boom with timeshare. There's just not that much room. Perhaps, Ensenada Blanca may be the savior of Loreto. What I mean is that it becomes less than successful. Thus, no one else would gamble investment in the area. So, maybe a few hundred timeshare units may just be the best thing to happen to Loreto.

Since late April Fonatur has been setting up the infrastructure for major development south of Loreto Shores. Rumor has it that it will be an extension of the Malecon that will stretch to the Loreto Bay complex.

wilderone - 7-16-2009 at 08:34 AM

The first time I went through the gauntlet at the Cabo airport, it made me a little anxious. The first reaction is to politely decline, but in the face of politeness, they persist. Then they start to gang up on you - 2 talking at once, and others shouting at you from a counter, leaflets thrust at you. It's very, very annoying to say the least, simple harassment. If there is some kind of feedback forum - in town or at the airport (tourist info counter?) - opinions should be expressed. That is no way to introduce tourists to Baja Ca. - especially Loreto - which is NOT Cabo.

capn.sharky - 7-16-2009 at 09:32 AM

I just tell them I live there and they go away. If not, I tell them I thought the city asked them to leave several times. If that doesn't work, I tell them to go away (bet te!)

arrowhead - 7-16-2009 at 09:40 AM

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Originally posted by flyfishinPam
Got any comebacks or wisecracks for these timeshare hawkers that can be used?

Yes, I do. Try this.

"I'd rather get a root canal than buy a timeshare. Largate!"

vandenberg - 7-16-2009 at 09:53 AM

Been to all the major resort towns and never have a problem with those guys.
When approached, I tell them "not interested" and keep walking. Upon further address, I point a finger at them and ask them politely if he/she/they ave a "fricking" hearing problem and propose a free cleaning. :saint:

Works !!!

Paula,
Your method requires too much time and effort and will keep you occupied for weeks. :biggrin:

I agree

desertcpl - 7-16-2009 at 09:55 AM

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Originally posted by wilderone
The first time I went through the gauntlet at the Cabo airport, it made me a little anxious. The first reaction is to politely decline, but in the face of politeness, they persist. Then they start to gang up on you - 2 talking at once, and others shouting at you from a counter, leaflets thrust at you. It's very, very annoying to say the least, simple harassment. If there is some kind of feedback forum - in town or at the airport (tourist info counter?) - opinions should be expressed. That is no way to introduce tourists to Baja Ca. - especially Loreto - which is NOT Cabo.

flyfishinPam - 7-16-2009 at 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by Don Jorge

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Originally posted by Farbauti
fun good way to avoid these salemen might be to sneeze and cough continously,,try to generate a lot of sputem

I like it. Maybe wear a surgical mask too and a "cuidado, swine fool" sign hanging from around your neck. :lol:

Now if AeroMexico would bring back the SAN - LTO free beers too flight, even the timeshare gauntlet could be fun.

I GOT IT!!!

wear a surgical mask with a biohazard stamp on it and then go looing for them!! :lol:

flyfishinPam - 7-16-2009 at 11:44 AM

OH here's another one, stagger over to them looking like you're about to throw up and ask "does anyone have a barf bag?" o "prestame una bolsa para vomitar" or if you really have to barf just act like an interested buyer and throw up on their shoes. Wow bajanomad is so informative!

dtbushpilot - 7-16-2009 at 11:50 AM

I say"I'm broke and I came to mexico to hide from my creditors", that way I don't have to tell a lie :lol:

........dt

flyfishinPam - 7-16-2009 at 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by dtbushpilot
I say"I'm broke and I came to mexico to hide from my creditors", that way I don't have to tell a lie :lol:

........dt

then follow this up with "got a job application?"

Confessions of a timeshare junkie

bajabeachbabe - 7-16-2009 at 01:20 PM

OK, I'll admit that I am a bit addicted to timesharing. We currently own 4, having sold one earlier this year. We will probably get rid of at least another one, since we plan to build a second home in Loreto. For our family, timesharing has provided many memorable vacations to exotic places and 5 star accommodations at Motel 6 prices. The first timeshare we bought was in 1988. With all those timeshares, I have attended many timeshare presentations, but only bought three of our timeshares directly from the developer. Today, I would never buy a timeshare from the developer, as the price you pay is inflated to cover all the "freebies" that they give away. For several years I ran a program for a charitable organization accepting donations of timeshares which we would then sell to raise money. As a result I know a fair amount about the timeshare industry.

Another thing to understand is that the OPC's (off premise consultants) that are hounding people at the Loreto airport, in restaurants and in town could care less if you want to buy a timeshare or not. They are paid to bring in bodies! So, logic won't work with them. You are wasting your breath.

Every Mexican resort town with an airport has the same timeshare room between customs and the exit door. I've run the gauntlet in Cancun, Puerto Vallarta and in Cabo. So don't expect it to be different in Loreto. The only way that I have found to keep them at bay is to pretend you are deaf and continue walking. You engage in conversation with them and you make your experience even worse. My last trip to Loreto in March, I was able to fend them off in town by merely acting aloof.

The biggest issue I see with the OPC's at the airport is that often they appear to be taxi stands and unsuspecting visitors looking for a ride to town get sucked in before they realize what is happening. (This actually happened to me on my first trip to Puerto Vallarta) People who have tourist operations in Loreto should provide warnings to their arriving guests to not go with the timeshare people. I don't know if the Villa Group people are using the local taxi drivers, but if they aren't this is an even bigger problem for the taxi drivers in town who are already struggling with the downturn in tourists.

backninedan - 7-16-2009 at 02:07 PM

Just got back from the new terminal, no time share vermin yet. The terminal was very nice, AC going full blast is a real nice touch compared to the old one. None of the shop locations are open yet and the parking lot is still being painted. But all in all much better than the old one.

CaboRon - 7-16-2009 at 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by sourdough

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In your dreams :lol:

Bajahowodd - 7-16-2009 at 03:06 PM

Seems like everyone is complicit. Recently walked into Walmart in Cabo. Up walks a guy wearing a tag saying "customer service" he asks if he can help me find what I'm looking for. I asked him which timeshare development he was working for. He answered that it was the new one on Medano, Casa Dorado. I told him he was wasting his time, as I would in no uncertain terms spend a morning listening to a sales pitch. He walked away, only to reappear twice. Just wondering if Walmart really needs the extra revenue? If I recall, one of the chains, maybe Soriana's(?) doesn't allow these guys entry. Shop with your feet if you don't wish to be hassled.

JESSE - 7-16-2009 at 03:22 PM

Everybody complaints about the Timeshare people, yet, somebody keeps spending all of those hundreds of millions of dollars each year in the Los Cabos area. So obviously, it works very good for them.

Want to quickly get rid of a timeshare salesman? heres the awnser you should give.

I am single, i don´t have a credit card, and i currently reside in Singapore.

LaTijereta - 7-16-2009 at 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by backninedan
Just got back from the new terminal, no time share vermin yet. The terminal was very nice, AC going full blast is a real nice touch compared to the old one. None of the shop locations are open yet and the parking lot is still being painted. But all in all much better than the old one.

What is the parking like for persons wanting to park and pick-up guests? Is there some temp parking avalible closer to the new terminal...

Don Alley - 7-16-2009 at 07:31 PM

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Originally posted by vandenberg

Paula,
Your method requires too much time and effort and will keep you occupied for weeks. :biggrin:

Paula likes to practice her Spanish. Why waste the opportunity?

But when she doesn't have the time, Paula has been known to use an abbreviated, streamlined version of her strategy.

Just two words. :lol:

Paula - 7-16-2009 at 07:39 PM

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Originally posted by Don Alley

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Originally posted by vandenberg

Paula,
Your method requires too much time and effort and will keep you occupied for weeks. :biggrin:

Yes, Ed, I can be a woman of few words. But some days in Loreto there is nothing better to do than torture the timeshare people :dudette:

backninedan - 7-16-2009 at 07:55 PM

The parking areas are still being painted and it was difficult to tell just what was what for parking. I did see the sign saying you will have to pay to park, but didnt notice if that was for long term only or all parking in the future.

The parking and access roads looked like they will be ready in a few days, be able to get a better idea then.

sourdough - 7-16-2009 at 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by CaboRon

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Originally posted by sourdough

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In your dreams :lol:

Sixty trucks an hour, fifteen hours a day, seven days a week is not a dream! It's a nightmare we've put up with since April.

capt. mike - 7-17-2009 at 06:30 AM

alternate fuel for MMLT is Guaymas.
much better
too bad Loreto....you just don't learn.

Reeljob - 7-17-2009 at 06:47 AM

I understood that when the new Terminal opened, the General Aviation guys were moving into the old Terminal? Did that not happen?

digit salute

bajadave1 - 7-18-2009 at 07:53 AM

I would thing a single digit wave or salute might work as well.

not sure but BBP is starting to report.

capt. mike - 7-18-2009 at 08:47 AM

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Originally posted by Reeljob
I understood that when the new Terminal opened, the General Aviation guys were moving into the old Terminal? Did that not happen?

but they already have sufficient offices at the old terminal.
the challenge is getting Migracion y aduana at the same location. BBP reports you now have to run all over between various GA support offices between the 2 terminals to get the ARR and DEP flight plans stamped by all the officios.

this is the bane of some Mexican airports handling GA. Guaymas has the best services for GA. Loreto was good until they split the offices. Mexicali is ok. Hermosillo was terrible but now combined so GA has a customs guy there even if a big bird comes in. That's the problem at many - if you're arriving same time as a commercial carrier you might wait an hour while they clear the jet pax 1st and Migracion and Aduana comes over to work you. Loreto exhibited this often even at the old terminal.

vandenberg - 7-18-2009 at 11:57 AM

Mike,
You would really have to schedule it tight to fly in here at a different time than a commercial, with 3 incoming flights a week and all. :biggrin:

flyfishinPam - 7-18-2009 at 11:59 AM

there are four incoming flights Van

vandenberg - 7-18-2009 at 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by flyfishinPam
there are four incoming flights Van

Oh..Oh.. I stand corrected. :biggrin:

Tighter yet !!!

[Edited on 7-18-2009 by vandenberg]

i know......but believe it

capt. mike - 7-19-2009 at 07:50 AM

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Originally posted by vandenberg
Mike,
You would really have to schedule it tight to fly in here at a different time than a commercial, with 3 incoming flights a week and all. :biggrin:

or not.....it has happened to me at Loreto before! took an estimated (their ops) hour to get a departure check out of the country...so after 30 minutes i said screw it, changed the flt plan to mulege so no need for them to check us...and we took off....bypassed Mulege and bee lined it to Nogales.
Can't do that anymore with eApeeED now involved.

it just ain't fun anymore. the spontenaity and adventure of it all are dwindling away...

and a bunch of times at Hermosillo, even Guaymas before they changed their system a few years ago.

Howard - 8-2-2009 at 08:46 PM

Has the new airport actually opened? If so what are they doing with the old one?

Iflyfish - 8-2-2009 at 09:42 PM

You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried. Laughed my burro off on this one.

Iflyfish

Sallysouth - 8-2-2009 at 10:52 PM

I just tell them, Going to stay with my daughter.She lives here and is a Mexicano.Also, I have no money(open wallet to prove it).!

slimshady - 8-3-2009 at 08:30 AM

Its simple, just ignore them and keep walking. Don't stop or even look at them. I find being rude works great.

Don Alley - 8-3-2009 at 09:25 AM

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Originally posted by slimshady
... I find being rude works great.

Perhaps the biggest reason I dislike the time share people. It's just one of the ways in this modern world we are encouraged and conditioned to be rude.

flyfishinPam - 8-3-2009 at 04:25 PM

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Originally posted by Howard
Has the new airport actually opened? If so what are they doing with the old one?

they are using the old one as the check in counter because the computers don't work in the new one then you have to go to the new terminal to actually get on the plane. I don't know if you check your luggage at the same time or where you go through security. :?:

again I couldn't make this stuff up :lol:

CaboRon - 8-3-2009 at 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by flyfishinPam

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Originally posted by Howard
Has the new airport actually opened? If so what are they doing with the old one?

again I couldn't make this stuff up :lol:

Howard - 8-3-2009 at 06:09 PM

Now Pam, do you really expect me to believe that you go to the original counter at the old airport, then walk in the blistering heat to the near terminal to catch your plane? You must be pulling my leg because even in my lovely Baja, they have to have it figured out better than that!

Well, after thinking about it, why should I seem so surprised, as it is Mexico and it is the land of nothing surprises me!

With the above in mind, where do you fly into the new or old?

Thanks for the update.

flyfishinPam - 8-4-2009 at 05:37 AM

Well it's hard to believe but true. They opened it a few weeks ago but the computers aren't online yet until ???? The new terminal has sat for over a year looking pretty finished before it opened and you would think after all this time they could have e erything ready before opening it.

David K - 8-4-2009 at 08:02 AM

'Jim' who we met at Bahia Concepcion two weeks ago, called me after we got back to tell me he flew out of Loreto and nearly missed his plane because they made him go to the old terminal first to check in! So... yes, it is true!

TheColoradoDude - 8-12-2009 at 01:55 PM

Whenever I am confronted with a time share salesperson in Mexico I tell them the same story. "Now why in the world would I buy a timeshare in a place, where when I went to use that timeshare for a nice relaxing vacation, I was hawked another time share?" They usually don't have a good answer for that one!!!

Loreto Airport

Juan del Rio - 8-12-2009 at 04:04 PM

The new terminal is a little confusing at the moment for sure with departure. I was told last week that it will be another month before everything is moved over. Picking up passengers at the new terminal is very nice now, especially with the A/C. Speed bumps are killer...they really work, although you'd think that you need a "lift kit" to go over them....as well as a good pair of sunshades!

The new challenge will be the parking lot. If you have a Mini Cooper...no problem. If you have a fullsize truck or SUV, the parking stalls are very small and the parking lanes are really narrow. Be careful of your vehicle's width. They are not charging to park at the moment. I do not have a cost on the parking fees once they do start charging.

It's all part of the Baja experience!

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TheColoradoDude - 8-12-2009 at 04:06 PM

How much are flights typically from the states?

Thanks,

J

Bajahowodd - 8-12-2009 at 04:27 PM

Expensive and few. This reminds me of when SJD built their terminal 3, which is really not walkable from terminal 1. Some things don't seem to change.

bill erhardt - 8-12-2009 at 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by TheColoradoDude
How much are flights typically from the states?

Thanks,

J

I just bought a round trip ticket from Tampa to Loreto for my daughter in October for around $600 US.

TheColoradoDude - 8-12-2009 at 04:45 PM

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Originally posted by bill erhardt

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Originally posted by TheColoradoDude
How much are flights typically from the states?

Thanks,

J

I just bought a round trip ticket from Tampa to Loreto for my daughter in October for around $600 US.

Thanks! That seems pretty darn good!

rhintransit - 8-12-2009 at 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by Howard
Now Pam, do you really expect me to believe that you go to the original counter at the old airport, then walk in the blistering heat to the near terminal to catch your plane? You must be pulling my leg because even in my lovely Baja, they have to have it figured out better than that!

Well, after thinking about it, why should I seem so surprised, as it is Mexico and it is the land of nothing surprises me!

With the above in mind, where do you fly into the new or old?

Thanks for the update.

it's actually a lot smoother than it sounds. I flew out of LTO last week. there were attendants in the road waving cars to the old terminal. you check in there, migracion is standing right next to the check in counter for the fm2, 3 papers. the airline clerk attaches tags to any checked baggage then you haul all luggage out to the curb and get into a shuttle van which takes you to the new terminal. (I don't know how long you have to wait til they get enough people to run it as I was forewarned and had my ride just wait at the curb and ferry me over).
at the new terminal, take the checked baggage to one place for xray and they whisk it away. take yourself and carry on to the gate, where you go through the usual xray scan of self and luggage, followed by a personal inspection of luggage.
that's it.
one hint...it's a lot cooler in the main area of the new terminal than the gate (but still a lot cooler than the old terminal) so don't go into gate area too soon.

bill erhardt - 8-12-2009 at 07:10 PM

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Originally posted by TheColoradoDude

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Originally posted by bill erhardt

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Originally posted by TheColoradoDude
How much are flights typically from the states?

Thanks,

J

I just bought a round trip ticket from Tampa to Loreto for my daughter in October for around $600 US.

Thanks! That seems pretty darn good!

It is. A lot of people complain about the prices, but a lot of people like to complain.

Thanks Pam for the thread....

Juan del Rio - 8-12-2009 at 09:06 PM

...this post should be shown to Alaska, Delta, Volaris, a new, "Baja Airlines" start-up, Loreto business leaders, etc. It shows that it seems there is a real interest from the CENTRAL, “Baja Traveling “public to come to Loreto. It's a not really an indication of possible "lift", but...with almost 3,200 views and 63 posts at this point, there seems to be a very real interest from all of us in coming to Loreto from where ever we all come from at this point in time.

Thank goodness (it seems), "Baja Nomads" can agree on something (Maybe??? Who knows, we're all so independent).

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ratoblanco - 4-19-2012 at 09:27 AM

Hola, so I was wondering if it has changed yet? Most of the posts are 3 yrs old. Crimeshare this....