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Rosarito strong-arm robberies

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Dave - 7-24-2009 at 09:28 AM

Last Saturday night, Five men carrying military automatic weapons,masked and dressed in AFI style uniforms robbed Ricky's bar located just south of Calafia. On Tuesday evening the process was repeated at Bahia Cantiles located north of Puerto Nuevo.

The robberies were well coordinated and carried out with military precision. Patrons were not excluded.

I would advise caution when visiting any bar/restaurant in the area, especially after dark. Carry minimal amounts of cash and leave valuables locked in your vehicle.

woody with a view - 7-24-2009 at 09:38 AM

did they take the dollar bills covering the walls at Ricky's? they coulda retired on that......

Von - 7-24-2009 at 10:19 AM

Dam that realll sucks I cannt believe they would rob Rickys place how much

money can they get there few hundred at the most these guys are

desperate.

Just one Semi automatic gun they carry cost around 3k right now and they

would risk all that over a few hundred dollars it doesnt make sense? :?:

tripledigitken - 7-24-2009 at 10:41 AM

Sounds like Patrons may have been targeted not the business's.

Zero risk

Dave - 7-24-2009 at 10:51 AM

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Originally posted by Von

would risk all that over a few hundred dollars it doesnt make sense? :?:

Like taking candy from babies. These guys are heavily armed. There ain't one Rosarito cop who would risk it. :rolleyes:

Woooosh - 7-24-2009 at 10:55 AM

Can La Familia PLEASE take over Rosarito Beach to protect us?! We have no protection with the police in hiding. At least they protect the people.

So this is what I have been reduced to... hoping a better group of narcos would run our area... geeesh.

Von - 7-24-2009 at 10:59 AM

All the gear thay carry im sure its worth 20xs more than any amount of

money at Rickys place or patrons money. They are one dumba.. group i

just cannt understand how dumb some people can be eventually in the

long run they will get cought we might not know that it was them but

somewhere and sometime it will happen........hahahhhahahaahahaha

arrowhead - 7-24-2009 at 11:05 AM

All this crime is being seriously under reported in the US newspapers, much to Hugo Torres' delight, I suppose. In the past week three restaurants have been robbed commando style in Rosarito: Bahía Cantilles, Ricky's Place and La Estancia. Also, last Tuesday when that Rosarito cop was shot at the AM/PM in Poplota, they did not report that the same guys who shot him then drove by the main police precinct station in Rosarito and shot it up.

gnukid - 7-24-2009 at 11:09 AM

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Originally posted by Von
Dam that realll sucks I cannt believe they would rob Rickys place how much

money can they get there few hundred at the most these guys are

desperate.

Just one Semi automatic gun they carry cost around 3k right now and they

would risk all that over a few hundred dollars it doesnt make sense? :?:

Exactly, makes no sense whatsoever. The projected image is of AFI uniformed officers making a public scene for no benefit other than to make a scene.

You see in the news recently a huge increase in news of cartel influence-hundreds if not thousands of reports, many cartel 'interviews', it seems exaggerated, orchestrated and theatrical. The cartel's influence hasn't changed, while the reporting has along with very public incidents.

It would appear on the surface that at the moment there is an attempt to conflate evidence that a huge threat exists from the Mexican cartels influence, while we know that there is huge influence from 400 billion in US funding, hundreds of millions of funding for news stories, massive sensationalizing over non-existent "flu" threat etc... and there are huge drug profits.

So it would appear that Mexico is under a heavily funded assault to hurt the regular people economically and to make it a scape goat worldwide suggesting (falsely) the need for greater military funding and to use these issues as a distraction from issues which should be addressed such as improvements in education, infrastructure, and health.

New boss same as the old boss.

While I would not deny the validity of some reports-such as the Ricky's incident, in general, it appears to be highly funded and massively orchestrated attempt by the US to create the image that Mexico is the source of problems that must be addressed by US military while in fact these issues are largely orchestrated by US military operations.

In particular, the huge and sudden increase in media hyperbole is evidence.

The solution is forget about looking to politicians or military for help-they are of no help, take it upon yourselves to organize locally and manage your cities locally and stop funding the military and restrict their presence, military belongs on bases and on the borders not in cities.

gnukid - 7-24-2009 at 11:13 AM

Keep in mind as well there are many posters here on BN who are clearly not Nomads per se, they are highly invested in disruptive behaviour, and media spin.

If you want to see how the media spin is being cast you can view news across many sources with news feed gathering tools or sites like

http://topics.breitbart.com/mexican
http://topics.breitbart.com/mexico
http://snipurl.com/wgt7

toneart - 7-24-2009 at 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
Can La Familia PLEASE take over Rosarito Beach to protect us?! We have no protection with the police in hiding. At least they protect the people.

So this is what I have been reduced to... hoping a better group of narcos would run our area... geeesh.

Woooosh,
Where does La Familia operate, Baja or Michoacan? I saw a reference on another string saying they don't allow sales of Meth in Michoacan.

DENNIS - 7-24-2009 at 11:57 AM

Here's some cartel stuff. Interestingly, the table of contents makes no mention of Arellano Felix.

http://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/RL34215.pdf

DENNIS - 7-24-2009 at 12:09 PM

Here's a new book, soon to be released. Perhaps informative...
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http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Mexico/George-W-Grayson/e/9...

noproblemo2 - 7-24-2009 at 12:18 PM

Was anyone hurt, or was it strictly robbery?

Hook - 7-24-2009 at 12:35 PM

Gnukid, you fergot to link this all to the vast right-wing conspiracy perpetrated by the Rockefellers.....................yer slippin'. :no:

Or is it the Jewish lobby's turn this week.

[Edited on 7-24-2009 by Hook]

Absurdity

Dave - 7-24-2009 at 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid

The solution is forget about looking to politicians or military for help-they are of no help, take it upon yourselves to organize locally and manage your cities locally and stop funding the military and restrict their presence, military belongs on bases and on the borders not in cities.

Local communities are severely underfunded in the best of times. Now, with tourist revenue dwindling most are dead broke. The local police force can't afford protective equipment, vehicles or matching weaponry besides being corrupt to the core. The local citizenry is intimidated and protection strong-armed by the cartels and police.

The only agency who can battle the cartels and protect Mexico's citizens is its military.

DENNIS - 7-24-2009 at 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by Dave
The only agency who can battle the cartels and protect Mexico's citizens is its military.

Or ours. Don't say it couldn't happen.

Dave - 7-24-2009 at 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by noproblemo2
Was anyone hurt, or was it strictly robbery?

Ricky, who initially thought it a joke, was rifle-butted to the floor. The patrons were forced to empty their pockets, remove jewelry and lie on the floor. The place was full. private party for 50 plus the regular bar customers. They were in and out in minutes.

No one was shot but as anyone who's been through this can testify, everyone was psychologically raped.

tripledigitken - 7-24-2009 at 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid

While I would not deny the validity of some reports-such as the Ricky's incident........... in fact these issues are largely orchestrated by US military operations.

First Ricky's then El Trailor then?................

Who else ya gonna call when planing a restaurant holdup, the US of course? We have been blamed for alot this is a new low. :rolleyes:

Ken

No way, buey

Dave - 7-24-2009 at 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Dave
The only agency who can battle the cartels and protect Mexico's citizens is its military.

Or ours. Don't say it couldn't happen.

Not even if Mexico begged. We'd sooner close the borders, build an Israeli style wall and just turn our backs. The Congress hasn't the stomach or Obama the cojones.

GUESS WHO?

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-24-2009 at 01:21 PM

gnukid - 7-24-2009 at 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by tripledigitken

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Originally posted by gnukid

While I would not deny the validity of some reports-such as the Ricky's incident........... in fact these issues are largely orchestrated by US military operations.

First Ricky's then El Trailor then?................

Who else ya gonna call when planing a restaurant holdup, the US of course? We have been blamed for alot this is a new low. :rolleyes:

Ken

Whoa, It's not worth a jingoistic emotional response. I am not blaming USA. I have no idea why or how or who or what, only that we have funded 400 billion increase in weapons and training to the region, we have funded a few hundred million in media, we have funded and justified flooding US drug markets for money to buy arms to fund war or whatever you want call the freedom fighters who wage aggression, assassination, race based eugenics, federal reserve and IMF agendas.

The result is what it is, and you want to call me out for a new low? What should we put our heads in the collective sand and wallow in self-pity while we welcome further decline of civil society and fund Military expansion and aggression.

Certainly not, and this is not an argument between you and I nor anyone here on BN, we are simply the community of tax payers who are funding a rapid decline and theft of our wealth and well being.

Follow the trail, 24 trillion dollars has been paid out from the coifers of Fed reserve stolen in 9 months, a trillion more for the budget, trillion more for debt interest, more for increased military, more bases, more FEMA, more for training military, all the while the drug profits continue to fuel financial markets at every corner and the (false) message this week is there is increased influence from Mexican Cartels.

Who would honestly trust or believe in the US Military solution at this point? What is the goal? Where have we achieved success? How many times have they admitted they lied to us to justify increasing budgets for military?

Yet, you Ken, you would blame me or any other lawful civilian for a new low? That is pure jingoistic hogwash and a pretty sad excuse for this whole mess.

I don't blame you certainly, and I won't give up my two favorite countries so easily. I believe the solution is simple, end the US military expansion. Focus on the basic issues, education, health, and infrastructure.

gnukid - 7-24-2009 at 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by Hook
Gnukid, you fergot to link this all to the vast right-wing conspiracy perpetrated by the Rockefellers.....................yer slippin'. :no:

Or is it the Jewish lobby's turn this week.

[Edited on 7-24-2009 by Hook]

You make a good point.

The Rockefeller family has long been documented to fund race based eugenics which is certainly at the heart of the this mess.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/ar...

It's sad that so many would deny the facts which are documented in every families encyclopedia britannica and instead turn upon their neighbor using emotional arguments yet no facts?

This is a sad state of affairs but it is possible to end this tyranny and return to peaceful productivity we all would benefit from. You simply need to stop funding this mess and stop believing that the Rockefellers have your best interests, they certainly do not. That has become clear to anyone willing to open a history book or read the paper daily.

Let's not turn upon each other, let's support each other and find a peaceful solution to end these heavily US funded aggressions.

tripledigitken - 7-24-2009 at 01:39 PM

Gnukid,

Live with what you said or retract it! To say our military is orchestrating events like the holdups in Baja Norte is a new low, like it or not.

Ken

gnukid - 7-24-2009 at 01:47 PM

The US and Mexico have already signed the the SPP Security Prosperity Pact which authorizes shared military across borders. Obama has recently met to discuss and continue the SPP. Shared training is underway for many years already as well in countries such as Canada and even Cuba, announced this week.

Why is all this news to you people? Does anyone here read the paper? Why is there such high degree of feigned ignorance and highly charged emotional pleas? I wonder why?

http://spp.gov

http://cuba.foreignpolicyblogs.com/2009/07/23/joint-us-cuba-...

The operations we are witnessing and seeing reported here are all precursors and sytematic steps to our obligation to shared Military operations in the region.

gnukid - 7-24-2009 at 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by tripledigitken
Gnukid,

Live with what you said or retract it! To say our military is orchestrating events like the holdups in Baja Norte is a new low, like it or not.

Ken

Yes it appears that the funding which we have supplied is related to the media reports of military-type hold-ups, murders etc...

It's sad that we have to acknowledge, as the CIA director reported recently, that the US has had a CIA assassination team since 2001 who has been wreaking havoc.

Alright I give up, I am not interested in a emotional tete-a-tete with angry nomads when the real issues of US Military aggression are presented and clear. We are suffering heavily from highly destructive US policies to further cause economic chaos and death for many.

In recent years, we have lost thousands of troops, millions of civilians, and in the last 9 months enough money has been given to global bankers to have provided US $215,000 to every US household.

And you Ken? you are mad at me?

tripledigitken - 7-24-2009 at 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid

Why is all this news to you people? Does anyone here read the paper? Why is there such high degree of feigned ignorance and highly charged emotional pleas? I wonder why?

http://spp.gov

http://cuba.foreignpolicyblogs.com/2009/07/23/joint-us-cuba-...

The operations we are witnessing and seeing reported here are all precursors and sytematic steps to our obligation to shared Military operations in the region.

Gnukid,

My last post on this. My statement has to do specifically with your comment inferring that the robberies are part of a US Military operation.

Don't expand it to insult my intelligence, accuse me of being uninformed or over emotional.

Ken

DENNIS - 7-24-2009 at 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
Shared training is underway for many years already as well in countries such as Canada and even Cuba, announced this week.

Why is all this news to you people?

Maybe it's track record is best forgotten. Didn't we train the Zetas? Since, co-opted by the cartels as a hit squad? I think we did. Are we going to do more of that?
We really have our stuff together, don't we.

k-rico - 7-24-2009 at 02:13 PM

Gnukid,

I've forgotten, what's the ultimate goal of the conspiracy and who are the main conspirators? You said above race based eugenics is at the heart of this mess.

?????????????

JESSE - 7-24-2009 at 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Dave
The only agency who can battle the cartels and protect Mexico's citizens is its military.

Or ours. Don't say it couldn't happen.

Who says they arent.

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-24-2009 at 02:28 PM

One of you in here is so left leaning that you put the communists to shame. Your rhetoric is pure unadulterated B.S. My guess is that you believe that World Trade Center was brought down in a U.S. Government conspiracy. God save us all. Please wear this mask when you post in here. Wait, you already are!

[Edited on 7-24-2009 by ELINVESTI8]

JESSE - 7-24-2009 at 02:29 PM

Maybe the Romulans are behind this? :spingrin:

DENNIS - 7-24-2009 at 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
Who says they arent.

Well, if they are, they're doing a pee-poor job of it.

arrowhead - 7-24-2009 at 03:00 PM

gnukid forgot his hat.....again.

gnukid - 7-24-2009 at 03:00 PM

Mr. K-Rico,

Why don't you correct me since you are far more knowlegable of World history? I appreciate any documentation or links you can provide one way or the other.

Is the goal as described by the Council on Foreign Relations as Global Governance?

http://www.cfr.org/issue/23/global_governance.html

Are the CFR, Bilderberg, Tri-lateral Commission founded and headed up by David Rockefeller heading up this global policy?

Are the global 'elites' or illuminati headed up currently by David Rockefeller, the Rothschild family and various Royalty and their bloodlines who maintain the majority of the world's wealth?

Are the remainder of the 5 billion people to be quickly reduced to a smaller population as described for example in their Georgia Guidestones as a reduction from 5 billion to 500,000? Are the global Illuminati set on eugenics policies for reducing 'unwanted' populations?

http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm

Are presidential leaders really powerless pawns such as Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Bush II, Obama etc... all of whom are also to be discarded like so many leaders?

Why are they coming out and announcing their plans in public now? Why are they acting so quickly at this moment to destroy civil society and ruin economies?

Does this older documentary about the UN policies still apply?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2634703139474212867

gnukid - 7-24-2009 at 03:25 PM

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Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
One of you in here is so left leaning that you put the communists to shame. Your rhetoric is pure unadulterated B.S. My guess is that you believe that World Trade Center was brought down in a U.S. Government conspiracy. God save us all. Please wear this mask when you post in here. Wait, you already are!

[Edited on 7-24-2009 by ELINVESTI8]

I do not appreciate light-handed flippant remarks about 911 as the impact has been staggering.

Why would you project upon me knowledge of what happened to the WTC when three buildings collapsed?

I have no idea what happened on 911 except the loss of life and the impact on our family and friends lives.

Can you explain?

The only conspiracy theory we have heard is the one provided by the whitehouse on the day of the attack where they claimed a couple of arab guys from saudi arabia set up a huge plan to cause the three WTC tower buildings to collapse suddenly, while another plane exploded into bits in the air and a fourth hit the pentagon after its wings blew off?

JESSE - 7-24-2009 at 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by JESSE
Who says they arent.

Well, if they are, they're doing a pee-poor job of it.

Theres a lot going on we don´t know, it will take some time, but things will get better.

Von - 7-24-2009 at 04:10 PM

From Ricky place to 9/11 mmmmmmm interesting.... Why cannt we all help each other in a positive way not negative way mmmmm

oh yeah i forgot we are humans........taaaaaaaaa......

k-rico - 7-24-2009 at 04:46 PM

OK, thanks Gnukid.

gnukid - 7-24-2009 at 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico
OK, thanks Gnukid.

Why did Obama name John Holdren to Science Czar with no opposition from the senate while he is well known to be the co-author of the book published in 1977 , "Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment," where he advocated forced abortions, "compulsory sterilization," and the creation of a "Planetary Regime" that would oversee human population levels and control all natural resources.

How is it that while these policies are public most here for example would rather fight among themselves or insult me for being the slightest bit interested in policy, than address these horrific polices and plans?

Why aren't more people a little bit upset over the current administration policies which are a continuation of eugenics policies and a complete reverse from the polices Obama professed when running for office?

Yet, so many posters here claim to be pro-war, pro expansion of the executive branch, the military and these policies which are designed to hurt each and everyone of us.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/21/obamas-science-cz...

Holdren also openly advocates geo-engineering the atmosphere with chemicals as is currently occurring yet few seem to pay attention and when they do they respond with emotional and tangental insults?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10218083-54.html

fishbuck - 7-24-2009 at 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by arrowhead
gnukid forgot his hat.....again.

DENNIS - 7-24-2009 at 05:59 PM

GAWWWWWDAMMMM.......To think I've been accused of hijacking the occasional thread. I've got nada on you, Gnu.

gnukid - 7-24-2009 at 06:10 PM

It's too bad that when asked to connect the dots to between policy and results which include more than one point most people here (who post) feign ignorance and object to the subject.

I can't possibly imagine that any of you are actually in denial of the interconnected relationship between global banking, the military industrial complex and drugs/arms smuggling and the crime we are seeing reported today?

But what fun to play as though its all a big silly joke.

Everything just happens by accident? No connections.

fishbuck - 7-24-2009 at 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by fishbuck

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Originally posted by arrowhead
gnukid forgot his hat.....again.

Eugenics?

Dave - 7-24-2009 at 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid

Why aren't more people a little bit upset over the current administration policies which are a continuation of eugenics policies

I can't think of a better place to start.

DanO - 7-24-2009 at 06:27 PM

Eugenics? Wow, that is like hijacking a cessna to Andromeda. Hey Dave, is that yak?

Von - 7-24-2009 at 06:30 PM

Was this about Rickys place or a Yak?

i cannt remember its been so

long? :smug:

No

Dave - 7-24-2009 at 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by DanO
Hey Dave, is that yak?

But I can understand your confusion. He's not wearing his tin foil hat. :rolleyes:

Von - 7-24-2009 at 06:37 PM

Its a water buffalo? :lol:

oh yeah a willllllll-der bajanomad-beast hahahhahahaha :lol:

CaboRon - 7-24-2009 at 06:56 PM

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Originally posted by fishbuck

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Originally posted by fishbuck

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Originally posted by arrowhead
gnukid forgot his hat.....again.

gnukid - 7-24-2009 at 07:15 PM

Its funny that you who joke are the same ones that would call me in a heart beat to get you out from a kidnapping and I would go. Jajaja big joke. Well it is a big joke until you are being held prisoner and have machine guns pointed at you-becuase you were in the wrong place.

The guys doing the job have nothing against you personally and are not invested. Its a job. Too bad. Well, instead of waiting to be in the position where you do believe because you are facing either a drugged up idiot or a sane professional, why not put out a little effort toward self-preservation today in advance and say No to Military presence in your town and increased funding and expansion of this mess which has no goal but self-annihilation.

It really isn't that hard to stand up and say no to Obama's increased funding and thievery which negatively impacts everyone one of us, every friend and family, your children and their children. We have a fleeting opportunity here to put an end to US global hegemony and its imperatives. Get involved and get informed.

k-rico - 7-24-2009 at 07:26 PM

I know this is way off topic but gnukid has a special quality in that he writes well, is seemingly well informed about current events, and appears to truly believe in this Orwellian-like conspiracy.

So gnukid,

Let's say that the conspiracy succeeds. Describe what that success means. What do the conspirators want? "World domination" as an answer doesn't cut it. I mean the Popes have been after that for a long time and more recently the Muslim Brotherhood has started acting out.

What are the holy scriptures of these world dominators?

[Edited on 7-25-2009 by k-rico]

Woooosh - 7-24-2009 at 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

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Public works projects are going huge in Rosarito. They are re-doing whole neighborhoods roads, putting in a new auditorium to the high school (I think that's what it looks like) it looks like they have tons of money to spend. Even the cuota is getting a new divider for miles and miles ( prefered rhe greenery actually). I'm surprised- but then again this isnt taxpayer money. I don't know where the money for these projecxts comes from- but it must not be local. My $200 annual property tax doesn't go that far- anywhere.

dtbushpilot - 7-24-2009 at 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
I enjoy a simple life, we work and go to the beach, bbq and drink beer and occasionally tequila. My friends come to visit. Some are Military who are stationed in Iraq, some are Seals who conduct missions. I also have friends who are Mexican Marines and Army, we drink beer and tequila too. I never ask questions, I never bring up anything to do with their job because I know our time together is time for their rejuvenation and recuperation. Many are women, some E-8 or E-9 intelligence officers and translators I think, they had to learn Chinese and Arabic for their job. I know they have a hard job and they have to do things that are not fun but they are doing their job and following orders, then when they have a break they come to Baja for fun. Sometimes they have to sneak on a flight to Baja cause they are supposed to be in the hospital recovering from wounds.

The point is that, eventually people do talk, late at night or early in the morning, they talk about what they have to do. There are few real secrets about what we are up to. I don't blame them, in fact in the moment I thank them and would never discuss my feelings or objections at that time. Not my place.

I have been in this position a long time but I am no expert at much except rice and beans.

I choose to speak up here because it's the right place. This is open discussion.

I am sad about what's happening and I want it to stop. I am sorry that so many would make light of the seriousness of US policy and its affects on each and everyone one us and the world. I am sorry that some of you object to a discussion about anything more serious than pacifico. I am sorry that links offend some of you too.

It's entirely up to you to decide whether to take these issues as relevant, to act, or to work for your community to gain control and reduce the negative impact of the Global Banking and the Military Industrial Complex efforts in Drug and Arms smuggling cabal on our lives.

OK, I'm calling BS on this cr#p. You're full of it guu, you really should stick with what you know....rice and beans, or maybe get a life outside of your computer.......what a loser....dt

Woooosh - 7-24-2009 at 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid

Quote:

Originally posted by Hook
Gnukid, you fergot to link this all to the vast right-wing conspiracy perpetrated by the Rockefellers.....................yer slippin'. :no:

Or is it the Jewish lobby's turn this week.

[Edited on 7-24-2009 by Hook]

And let's not forget the Kennedy's made mucho money running bootleg during the prohibition. Today's narco King may become tomorrows Camelot Knight.

oldlady - 7-24-2009 at 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico
I know this is way off topic but gnukid has a special quality in that he writes well, is seemingly well informed about current events, and appears to truly believe in this Orwellian-like conspiracy.

So gnukid,

Let's say that the conspiracy succeeds. Describe what that success means. What do the conspirators want? "World domination" as an answer doesn't cut it. I mean the Popes have been after that for a long time and more recently the Muslim Brotherhood has started acting out.

What are the holy scriptures of these world dominators?

[Edited on 7-25-2009 by k-rico]

Why do we think in terms of what we know historically or what we think we know or believe now?

Perhaps it is not as Gnukid says, denial, as much as it is a rigidity of framework in thinking that we are not even consciously aware of. Or a combination of both.

I'm reminded of a type of art that was popular years ago.
When one first looked at the painting one saw a defineable something. But after staring, really staring, another picture appeared and once discovered by the brain, it was actually difficult to see the first picture. I always thought it to be an interesting lesson in focus and in what we think we see.

Von - 7-24-2009 at 08:31 PM

brutal nomads no no no...................

k-rico - 7-24-2009 at 08:32 PM

"Why do we think in terms of what we know historically or what we think we know or believe now?"

Well, hello. It's tough to think in any other terms. People who lack a frame of reference are often called crazy, sometimes genius. Most of us are neither. I'm fighting rigidity, that's why I'm asking gnukid questions. His explanations have religious overtones. Good vs. evil......ETCETERA

Hook - 7-24-2009 at 08:33 PM

I think this is a gnu low in hijacking. And I'm the one who encouraged it.
:wow:

Mea culpa

DENNIS - 7-24-2009 at 08:37 PM

This thread is starting to sound like the one hand clapping and all that mysterious mumbo jumbo.
Everybody.......go to freakin' bed.

oldlady - 7-24-2009 at 08:45 PM

I don't think it's a matter of lacking a frame of reference as much as changing it. I don't find Gnukid's points crazy. However if I bought in as fact, and there are way more than a few who do, that doesn't mean I could describe the outcome. Those who try are typically ridiculed anyway.

gnukid - 7-24-2009 at 08:50 PM

Look K-Roco I'll bite, but first, I have had you pegged from the start. Your role is clear though I don't mind playing because I believe that it is possible for enlightenment through knowledge and for the human being to mature and elevate. Even you and me.

Please correct me where I get off track from the professed facts of the illuminati plan as I am no expert. I am not professing to believe in or support the illuminati nor am I declaring war on them, these are simply the historical facts. First off, I am a simple and poor person who reads a little bit here and there, just as I was required to read Homer's Ulysses I read about the illuminati. I learn from Indians as well as scholars and friends.

First one must consider that reality is a concept that is programmed. Time is a programmed concept. Work is a programmed concept. Reality can be anything you choose to believe. People, in general, believe in very limited concepts that they are programmed to believe like the value of religion, one god or the sole existence of mankind and the earth as a life-giving entity. Or quite simply the idea that money is debt. Or that labor should be taxed. Therefore propaganda is highly valuable to those wishing to control the masses.

Just as there is the belief in good (god) and the concept there was Jesus or God or any of the hundreds of Gods named by modern religions, there is the concept of evil (lucifer) as power. These concepts are programmed for the advantage of those who wish to lead the masses.

There many forces at work here at present but they do coincide with the idea that either you shall rule over others and take life or conversely that you love all things and give life and love.

Basically there are evil worshipers who worship Lucifer and those that worship good and Jesus or any God and believe in doing good. In many cases they are the same people, playing layers of the game on both sides. Many ancient churches in fact have chambers below for these rites of evil worship.

The Illuminati believe that there are different bloodlines, those of the illuminati and those that are not. There are only so many family that are among the elite bloodlines, they inbreed to contain their bloodlines. If you are for example Prince William there is a limited set of people whom you may marry etc... etc... This limited set of people maintain massive wealth, perhaps most of the world's wealth. It may be 13 families or a but more, perhaps a few thousand people at most.

The question is obvious, how can Obama or Al Gore or Calderon, Holdren or Pelosi believe they will be spared by the illuminati? They don't, they are frightened for their lives as well and are playing the game to their best ability, they are pawns, much like most of us.

The illuminati have a long held belief in rituals and symbology which is significant (to them and perhaps to us as well, for programming too). Many of you may know of the Masons, the highest level being 33rd level. Many of you know of the significance of so many dates and symbols. Masonic symbols are everywhere. Why? The symbols of the illuminati are everywhere built into structures, monetary symbols etc... one common illuminati saying is "order through chaos' in latin ORDO AB CHAO, through orchestrated chaos.

It would appear, that the illuminati believes in annihilation, they believe in destruction of life as power and the rule of expendable slaves as way of controlling being.

They are fast executing their plan of annihilation for what? Who knows? It's a way of life.

Simplistically, they may believe that they have enough machines both industrial and computing power to proceed in the future with reduced population and they believe in the mass reduction of populations as imminent in their goals since these populations are of no value to them.

If I may back up, many of you recall Mayan or Roman times? Cults of personalities over masses of slaves often expended for no purpose. You recall the reign of Mao Zedongwho killed 60 million, Stalin who killed perhaps 60 million. Hitler who killed perhaps 17 million etc... these are documented to have been funded and fueled by the illuminati, Royalty etc... It's very well documented that these cult of personality leaders were nothing without the funding of families such as the Rockefellers for example and the rest of the illuminati. Even of course Prescott Bush the father of Bush I was charged and settled along with Union Bank and Harriman Brothers Brown for the crime of funding end encouraging murderous reign of terror.

The Bush family has a long history. While Jeb Bush was Governor of Florida and George Bush was governor of Texas, their father was President, while previously he held the position of head of Intelligence for the CIA-all the while the Iran Contra scheme dumped Cocaine on US cities through Mena Arkansas under Clinton to fund arm sales to back 'freedom fighters' in Nicaragua.

We know all about this, it was well documented by Gary Webb and the San Jose Mercury and LA Times but we still accept it and accepted these fellows as our leaders? We accepted their destructive policies which have radically hurt our country and yet persist. Why?

Today many easily forget our recent history or they are programmed to forget. The wars continue with seemingly no goal but murder and increased Global Hegemony. Why?

The issue may be that that is how we are programmed, look how many post here to support these destructive policies that clearly hurt everyone of us. Few seem to have the capacity to believe that human kind can be evil.

So here we go, we are heading toward the historically calculated culmination of cycles in 2012. We each are aware of the increasing destructive quality of the illuminati, their fast increasing wars of destruction, their massive thefts of trillions, 24 trillion in 9 months acknowledged publicly, the massive killing of millions worldwide for no reason or goal? We have no plan in Iraq, or Afghanistan or anywhere except annihilation. We are under no threat from the middle east, none by Iraq, Afghanistan or Iran or anyone yet we persist to build and explode weapons at an increasing pace causing massive pollution, while Al Gore would tell you you are pollution, your breath and being are pollution and should be taxed and people believe it which is the most fantastic nonsense ever spoken.

You simply must ask yourself, do you support worship or death cults or do you support love and life. Its the simplest question. Answer that then take the next step, can you reprogram your reality to see yourself as life and beauty and see all things similarly as having infinite potential?

I have few answers, I do not know much about religion personally, but I do enjoy baja very much, the people and beauty, and I appreciate what it has taught me and given me and I believe it's worth fighting for. I am not about to give in to the illuminati.

[Edited on 7-26-2009 by gnukid]

fishbuck - 7-24-2009 at 09:00 PM

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gnukid forgot his hat.....again.

Would someone please help gnukid find his foil hat. He really needs it.

gnukid - 7-24-2009 at 09:05 PM

Look, Fishbuck first it was 'there are no indians' and now there is no illuminati?
Do you think anyone is going to tell you where the hot indian girls are if you keep up this attitude? Do a little research.

fishbuck - 7-24-2009 at 09:15 PM

Okay forget the hat. Gnukid might be right about this.

Woooosh - 7-24-2009 at 09:15 PM

Once you take into account all the church has done in history- the concept of the Illuminati is not that far fetched really. The books were good plane reading

Correct

Dave - 7-24-2009 at 09:20 PM

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Public works projects are going huge in Rosarito. They are re-doing whole neighborhoods roads, putting in a new auditorium to the high school (I think that's what it looks like) it looks like they have tons of money to spend. Even the cuota is getting a new divider for miles and miles ( prefered rhe greenery actually). I'm surprised- but then again this isnt taxpayer money. I don't know where the money for these projecxts comes from- but it must not be local. My $200 annual property tax doesn't go that far- anywhere.

The mayor wrangled a 20 million dollar loan from a U.S. based development bank. Probably never be repayed.

Such a deal.

Cuota money is federal. They're repaving 6 miles a stretch. Takes them about 6 weeks a section. So far, it's taken State contractors 6 months to 3/4 finish the free road expansion in front of Puerto Nuevo. Less than a 1/4 mile. :rolleyes:

Reality isn't subjective

Dave - 7-24-2009 at 09:47 PM

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Reality can be anything you choose to believe.

There's a word that accurately describes those who have difficulty in differentiating perception from reality.

It's called schizophrenia.

You qualify.

MikeLikeBaja - 7-24-2009 at 10:03 PM

There is a way that seems right to man, but the end is death

gnukid - 7-25-2009 at 12:03 AM

NO FREEDOM HAS BEEN LOST THAT CANNOT BE TAKEN BACK, AND THERE IS NO POWER OVER US BUT THAT WHICH WE GIVE AWAY.

fishbuck - 7-25-2009 at 12:51 AM

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gnukid forgot his hat.....again.

Foil hat time again!

[Edited on 7-25-2009 by fishbuck]

k-rico - 7-25-2009 at 05:07 AM

gnukid,

Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. I've heard this particular conspiracy theory explained sporadically over the years.

I hope you have me pegged as a skeptic and nothing more.

You might want to contribute to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati

and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory)

And while you're connecting the dots, here's another theory along the same lines:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnationalism

[Edited on 7-25-2009 by k-rico]

DanO - 7-25-2009 at 09:19 AM

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Hey Dave, is that yak?

But I can understand your confusion. He's not wearing his tin foil hat. :rolleyes:

My bad, wrong continent. It's a wildebeast (I just like that word, "yak," it seems to fit a lot of what goes on around here, especially this thread). Now what was the topic again? Rice and beans?

Von - 7-25-2009 at 09:46 AM

gnukid i think u are right.............

toneart - 7-25-2009 at 09:56 AM

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I don't think it's a matter of lacking a frame of reference as much as changing it. I don't find Gnukid's points crazy. However if I bought in as fact, and there are way more than a few who do, that doesn't mean I could describe the outcome. Those who try are typically ridiculed anyway.

I think I agree with you, Our Lady of the Ages. :spingrin:

"The outcome" has yet to be decided, but you could extrapolate and create your own reality. I know I have! :tumble:

You and I have lived long enough to get very good at this. :yes:

Edited for subsequent brain leak.

[Edited on 7-25-2009 by toneart]

gnukid - 7-25-2009 at 10:27 AM

Hey guys I am skeptic too, that's what makes me question.

The history of US military actions under cover leading to create conflict and increase the call for Military across the border in Mexico is long. In the Mexican Wars of 1819 and 1848 US troop movements across borders brought on conflict that led to these previous wars.

Mexicans rightfully so, are actively demanding the Military get out of cities.

For these historical reasons, we must be skeptical about attacks, as a precursor to Martial Law and Military invasion even for example, those bio attacks such as the 'swine flu' which was used to hurt Mexico and as a precursor to Martial Law. While in fact there is no evidence of a severe threat greater than the threat of a lack of education, health care and infrastructure.

[Edited on 7-25-2009 by gnukid]

Dave - 7-25-2009 at 11:16 AM

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Mexicans rightfully so, are actively demanding the Military get out of cities.

Mainly Mexicans manipulated by the cartels.

When the military steps in there are bound to be abuses. But they're there because the local authorities are proven corrupt.

And it's not like the protesters aren't complicit.

Corruption doesn't exist in a vacuum.

The Gull - 7-25-2009 at 11:33 AM

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Dave stop posting facts and correcting Whiiish. He, like Gnukid and Cabron, lives in his own little, meaningless world created for himself by himself.

50 people in Ricky's?????? That used to happen when Titantic was filming.

Must have been nearly all Mexican nationals for a crowd that big. There haven't been 50 Americans in one place in Baja for two years, not even for the bike race. If it was a large gig of Mexicans, then maybe a cousin talked to another cousin, who talked to...

Yep

Dave - 7-25-2009 at 12:17 PM

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Must have been nearly all Mexican nationals for a crowd that big.

Except for those who live nearby, few gringos go there. Mainly late at night when everything else is closed. If Ricky has customers he'll stay open all night.

The Gull - 7-25-2009 at 03:08 PM

Thanks, I have seen the sun coming up through Ricky's front door in the past. The dance pole needed some real cleaning from that night. Many photos which are kept behind the bar were taken that night.

toneart - 7-25-2009 at 03:17 PM

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Thanks, I have seen the sun coming up through Ricky's front door in the past. The dance pole needed some real cleaning from that night. Many photos which are kept behind the bar were taken that night.

Ah ha! So blackmail was the motive! Were your photos removed Gull? :lol:

[Edited on 7-25-2009 by toneart]

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-25-2009 at 03:27 PM

The Gull - 7-25-2009 at 06:57 PM

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Ah ha! So blackmail was the motive! Were your photos removed Gull? :lol:

[Edited on 7-25-2009 by toneart]

Tony, I will will have to ask Ricky if they took the photos from behind the bar. They may have been worth more than the $200 in one dollar bills that were strung from the ceiling. The only problem with those dollars is that each one was written on and when the robbers try to spend them, there might be a problem.

TAKE A WILD GUESS

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-26-2009 at 04:53 AM

Terry28 - 7-26-2009 at 06:01 PM

I was in both places yesterday...no one knew anything about the incidents mentioned, so now what?????

The Gull - 7-26-2009 at 06:13 PM

Terry,

Are you saying that Dave's information is no good? :wow:

This will really disappoint Whiish and Cabron. :fire:

It must be all part of the great conspiracy theory. Hugo Torres influenced those two business to tell lies about what really happened, because we ALL know what really happened. Hugo had them silenced because he wants to sell condos. :tumble:

C'mon Terry, admit it, you are also part of that Torres conspiracy. :lol:

Terry28 - 7-26-2009 at 06:17 PM

Dude, you must know me from a former life.......I do not speak with forked tongue.....I only repeated what I was told...and I was in both places...sheer concidence I assure you...

The Gull - 7-26-2009 at 06:22 PM

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Dude, you must know me from a former life.......I do not speak with forked tongue.....I only repeated what I was told...and I was in both places...sheer concidence I assure you...

I was wearing my "gnukid" foil hat when I posted my last message.

Did you have a former life, Terry? Was Shirley MacLaine involved?

Nothing wrong with bar hopping on a nice day in Baja.

DENNIS - 7-26-2009 at 06:26 PM

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Nothing wrong with bar hopping on a nice day in Baja.

This from someone who watched the sunrise through the crack at the bottom of the door at Ricky's.

COMRADE

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-26-2009 at 06:36 PM

There is nothing more revolting than to watch an American Citizen bad mouthing their country while they live in a foreign nation. I’ll let you decide who that vile despicable treasonous person is!

[Edited on 7-27-2009 by ELINVESTI8]

Of course they didn't know

Dave - 7-26-2009 at 07:47 PM

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I was in both places yesterday...no one knew anything about the incidents mentioned, so now what?????

Wouldn't be good for business, would it? :rolleyes:

cjesme - 7-26-2009 at 08:00 PM

Wow, we were at Bahia Cantilles 2 days prior. We spent 5 days down there and we had said we would come back. I don't know now!@#$%^&

tripledigitken - 7-26-2009 at 08:18 PM

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I agree on that point. I think many take the label EX PAT literally. read ex-patriot.

Ken

mtgoat666 - 7-26-2009 at 08:30 PM

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I agree on that point. I think many take the label EX PAT literally. read ex-patriot.

Ken

wow. whatever happened to civil rights? what is it about living abroad that should prevent people from telling you their truth about your country?

DENNIS - 7-26-2009 at 08:34 PM

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wow. whatever happened to civil rights? what is it about living abroad that should prevent people from telling you their truth about your country?

It gives aid and comfort to the enemy.

mtgoat666 - 7-26-2009 at 08:42 PM

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Hey guys I am skeptic too, that's what makes me question.

The history of US military actions under cover leading to create conflict and increase the call for Military across the border in Mexico is long.

never believe anything stated by US government when the US or one it's unbalanced leaders has an agenda.
WMD? yeah, right.
Gulf of tomkin? yeah, right.
Treaty? yeah, right. how many treaties did the US govt violate in 1800 on US soil no less?

arrowhead - 7-26-2009 at 10:49 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
never believe anything stated by US government when the US or one it's unbalanced leaders has an agenda.
WMD? yeah, right.
Gulf of tomkin? yeah, right.
Treaty? yeah, right. how many treaties did the US govt violate in 1800 on US soil no less?

...and don't forget:

We have to buy $700 billion of "troubled" assets to save the financial system.

We have to pass the $787 billion stimulus bill to jump start the economy. If we don't, unemployment will go over 8.5%.

We have to reform our entire healthcare system, to the cost of $1 trillion over 10 years, to insure the 15 million who are not covered. Let's see, that works out to $6,666 per uninsured person.

We have to lower the mortgage underwirting standards so more people can buy a home.

gnukid - 7-27-2009 at 01:22 PM

Beginning today July 27th, FEMA, DHS are conducting the NLE 09, National Level Exercises for joint US military and foreign military operations. The FEMA operations are training operations in conjunction with foreign Military within our borders, including Mexican Military and perhaps 13 countries foreign Military.

"The BCT mission “marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities,” Gina Cavallaro wrote for the Times."

The exercises may simulate detaining mass numbers of Americans among other practices.

Some Americans object to these first time joint military operations within US Cities because they violate US laws, the Posse Comitatus Act as well as 4th Amendment.

http://www.fema.gov/media/fact_sheets/nle09.shtm

http://www.pr-inside.com/government-of-canada-participates-i...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14...

http://www.zml.com/?did=5663

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=22406

The Gull - 7-27-2009 at 06:04 PM

There must be a huge run on aluminum foil in Baja.

What do any of these bizarre posts have to do with a fake story about two robberies?

Dennis, I wasn't seeing the sun rise from the crack UNDER the door. It was the crack going out the door which led me to the sunrise.

DENNIS - 7-27-2009 at 06:28 PM

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Dennis, I wasn't seeing the sun rise from the crack UNDER the door. It was the crack going out the door which led me to the sunrise.

Don't worry, Gull. You'll have other opportunities. Perhaps your best op of the future will be to go up to Daves place and hover over the dumpster. I know he likes you and would feel good knowing you're well fed.

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