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LAGUNA SALADA CLAIMS 3 VICTIMS

BAJACAT - 7-26-2009 at 08:28 PM

According to the local Mexican news, they have been looking for this Mexicali police women that dissapear with friend and son, they claim they got lost on the road to guadalupe canyon.

Three found dead of heat exposure in Mexicali Desert Baja Mexico

Three people were found dead near a Jeep Cherokee that was off-road driving near Laguna Salada, Baja Mexico yesterday. Temperatures in the area had reached 112 degrees with an estimated heat index of 133 degrees.

After a search operation began at dawn, municipal and ministerial teams found the sun burned bodies of Yaneth Rodriguez, Jesus Valdez and his son's friend Arnold Acevedo, in a very hot section of the Laguna Salada, near Mexicali. Yesterday, teams found the Jeep Cherokee, buried to its driving hubs.

Rescue teams, a contingent of police officers and elements of the rescue group Aguiluchos and rescue dogs, began a tour type "comb" with a distance of ten meters between each other, to a group of bushes below which found the bodies of two adult, male, female and a juvenile male. For the status of the bodies could not reliably determine the identities, so they will have to wait the conclusion of the forensic expert to confirm the dead identities.



[Edited on 7-27-2009 by BAJACAT]

BAJACAT - 7-26-2009 at 08:33 PM

There goes to show, that even a fun day in Baja will come with a high prize to pay, be prepared and know your limits, may this people rest in peace.



PS. LOOKING AT THE JEEP PIX , I DON'T THINK IT WAS 4X4 LOL

[Edited on 7-27-2009 by BAJACAT]

David K - 7-26-2009 at 10:01 PM

Remember folks... getting stuck in the sand is solved by removing air from the tires to 10 psi or less... 2WD or 4WD. I have gotten 'stuck' many times and always gotten myself unstuck after taking more air out and clearing away any built up sand from infront of the tires (and differentials if buried that far down). If the tires only spin and you are not moving forward, stop reving the motor... In sand, once you stop going forward, spinning tires only move you down!

Very sorry to hear of this tragic loss.

duke62 - 7-26-2009 at 10:08 PM

So sad....

Barry A. - 7-26-2009 at 10:23 PM

Yes, incredibly sad.

I agree with David K 100%, and I come to that conclusion after 55 years of driving in sand, and 30 years as a Ranger in mostly desert and beach environments, and seeing similar trajedies over and over again through the years.

Lack of experience and knowledge is a killer in the desert.

Thanks for the excellent and valuable "report", BajaCat.

Barry

DianaT - 7-27-2009 at 07:50 AM

So very sad for the families. :(

BAJACAT - 7-27-2009 at 11:45 AM

tHEY FOUND the third victim, a Mexicali Police officer Yaneth Rodriguez,they are alot versions of how they got lost, this happend near Rancho La Ponderosa via Laguna Salada. here is link for the rest of the story. The pic is kind of graffic..http://www.oem.com.mx/lavozdelafrontera/notas/n1260313.htm

Ken Cooke - 7-27-2009 at 05:04 PM

That is tragic news. During the winter, it tends to get warm in the sun, and very cold at night. I can't imagine the summer heat, what that feels like. Never travel backcountry alone - a backup vehicle in this situation might have adverted a tragedy.

redhilltown - 7-29-2009 at 11:30 PM

And continuing on Daivd K's theme, after you air down and dig out the tires, anything you can put under or in front of them for traction can really help...carpet pieces, floor mats, local brush...you name it...anything but sand.

A bummer story for sure. Stay with your car, stay in the shade, and burn your spare for a signal if ya gotta.

mtgoat666 - 7-30-2009 at 08:20 AM

lots of good advice, but none advising most important thing: when exploring in the desert, carry water. you can last for a long time with sufficient water. easy to throw a 5-gal jug in the car.

Barry A. - 7-30-2009 at 08:24 AM

----again, all good advice.

-------but as I look again at that picture of where they were stuck, I don't think they could have gotten out of there no matter what if the country behind them looked like the country ahead of them. It does not get much more "vehicle-hostile", judging by the pic.----I don't know how they could have attained the speed they would have needed to get out, after being that badly stuck----"floatation" only works so much------I don't know-------------(???)

The real error was entering that terraign in the first place without "back-up", and in a standard SUV (??), as was stated above---------only a dune buggy works well in that type of sand, or the use of over-size tires.

------but, we all make mistakes, and this time it resulted in a disaster.

Barry

[Edited on 7-30-2009 by Barry A.]

TMW - 7-30-2009 at 11:02 AM

It appears to me they used very poor judgement. The road to GC is not a deep sand road so I would assume they really didn't know where they were headed and to make matters worse they went into soft sand. It also seems they did not have enough water for the area they went to. I think maybe they had been drinking and ended up making a very bad decision.

bajalou - 7-30-2009 at 11:09 AM

One thing to remember when airing down. If you are stuck, be sure you have clearance for the differential, gas tank etc before airing down. Sometimes you need to jack up the vehicle and fill in under the tires before the air down process. If you're high centered, you have to take care of that first.

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-30-2009 at 11:17 AM

May they Rest in Peace. It is such a shame.

I found this web site dealing with getting stuck. Some of you have much more experience than me but here it is anyway.

http://www.off-road.com/trucks4x4/article/articleDetail.jsp?...

tripledigitken - 7-30-2009 at 11:30 AM

Tragedy for sure. Any offroading in that environment during the middle of summer is very risky.

Even being prepared with water and shovels, with heat index over 130 f, you loose your ability to make sound decisions fast.

Best to save those trips for when it gets cooler.

My thoughts are with the surviving family members.

Ken

bajalou - 7-30-2009 at 12:25 PM

I'll put in a plug here for Spot - personal GPS based emergency notification system

http://findmespot.com/en/

They are great for just letting friends know of your travels, but the "Help" and "911" features can be invaluable.

LisaR. - 7-30-2009 at 12:32 PM

ELINVESTI8-- Thanks for the link... Seems like a good thing to print out and shove in the glove compartment!

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-30-2009 at 01:32 PM

LisaR. You’re welcome. That is what I did. It's a nice reference.

zforbes - 7-30-2009 at 02:03 PM

And add the article to "The List" -- especially if you are an inexperienced explorer (like me).

fdt - 7-30-2009 at 03:17 PM

I posted this some years ago about a trip we made to Cañon de Guadalupe and how we saved one life but lost another who died in Simone's arms.

On May 04 2004 we took a trip to Cañon de Guadalupe, fdt, Mrs. ferna, and the kids in one Saturn VUE and James and his daughter in another Saturn VUE, we wanted to try them out, both brand new, the plan was to leave Tijuana early, but ended up leaving till about 10, we reached the Ca?on de Guadalupe exit at about noon or so and into the Salada we went, there was some pavement then, maybe for about a few miles in and then the dirt started, about 4 miles in we see at a distance a man walking, as we get closer he starts waving at us but not very energetic as if his arm weighed a ton, remember it's around 12:30 and it's 109 farenheit according to our thermometer in the mirror and this guy is just walking twards us. Were all what the? and we stop and the guy is foaming in the mouth and sais ayudenme por favor, immediatly we start asking what is he doing walking in the dessert (he had a digital camera hanging from his neck and was well dressed but dusty). As we continue asking and giving him gatorade / water / soda, we sat him in front of the air conditioner (the guy was dying when we found him), he starts to compose himself and starts telling us that they thought they whent to far and in turning bak got stuck in the sand and that they waited and waited and no one would drive by so they decided to walk to the hwy and that his friend was back there cause she couldn't make it any further. I'm all what do you mean back there, there is someone else? So we get back in our cars and there we go full speed and after quite a way we spot someone laying on the middle of the road. Were all Oh my God! Oh chit! En la madre! We get there, get out of the car and it's a young laidy just laying there navy blue skirt, white shirt, navy blue sport coat. I start moving her in desperation, Simone tells me get out of the way and starts mouth to mouth, listens to her heart, sais she still has a heart beat, I say lets get her in the car fast! Rapido, rapido! I start emptying the back of our VUE of fire wood, ice chests, transfer the tents, sleeping bags etc from the back of my friends VUE and we get her into the back of his vahicle and off they go to the hwy, James his daughter the guy, and my wife with the lady trying to resucitate her. I stayed with the kids, loaded up some stuff, left behind some other stuff and followed them. when we got to the hwy I'm all now what? so I head twards Mexicali. I spot them on the side of the road by one of the emergency phones and there is a white pick p truck aproaching them, the ones that work on the roads. kids stay in the car, I go to the other car, my wife is crying, the girl's dead. The road guys call the caseta de cobro and 2 more trucks arrive and they call an ambulance. By this time Simone (Mrs. ferna) is getting really peeed off at these people that work on the roads and don't even have a first aid kit, or nothing and are just staring at the dead girl and she's all but the guy needs help he's all dehidrated. The ambulance arrives and the same story, they go to the dead girl and pay no attention to the guy. Finaly they cover up the girl w/a white sheet and tend to the guy. Remember the dead girl is inside the back of my friends car. so now they say that they have to wait for the federal because of the dead girl. When the federalde caminos arrives we realize the hole thing that happened and all of the possible complications (dead girl in car? Who done it). We start explaning to the federal and tell him the whole story. he gets on his cellular and is talking to someone, he goes to his patrol car and radios, then another cellular call and then another and another. He comes back to were we are by the ambulance and then to my friends car, uncovers the girs face and sais to the ambulance guys I don't think she's dead, he orders us all to follow him, that we were going to the hospital in Mexicali to get an electrocardiograma to verify that the girl was dead. So here we go caravaning, the federal, my friend, with dead girl in back, the ambulance, me and the kids, the three hwy trucks. Boy it seemed like a long way, we whent all the way downtown MXL to the Hospital General, drove into the emergency drive, we all get out, it looked like they were already expecting us, a young doctor goes to the back of my friends car and verifies that the girl is dead, the federal orders them to get her out of the car and get an electrocardiograma for verification. They all look at him like he's wierd or something but obey and get the girl out and place her in a wheelchair, and could'nt get her straight enough to sit (she was stiff) and they rolled her into the hospital. the federal callls us and sais give me your information so we do that and then he sais "You need to hurry and move your cars because they are blocking the emergency driveway".
My friend and I realized tat that was our queue, out get out of jail card, our ticket to leave. We now knew what all those call were for back in the hwy.
So there we go back to Cañon de Guadalupe, this time we took distances, from the road to were we found the guy, from the guy to the girl's location and pick up our stuff and then we whent for 9.8 miles and found the truck stuck in the sand, brand new, with a sign on the sides that said CESPM. They were both engineers for the water company on theire way to do a survey at a ranch and they realized that they had gone to far, stoped and tried to return and the truck got stuck, they had no radio, no water and no cel phone(it wouldnt have worked anyway). Anyway we got out of our cars and we all whent to the truck like something was calling us to look at it, it was the missing link to the story, our experience, the kid's real live dead person, it was reality, lessons to be learned, time, meditation, prayer, thankfulness, and reality. Ok now so we went on our way, by this time the sun has gone down so we want to hurry so Arturo is still awake when we get there. Here is were it really got weird half a mile in tward the canyon the road bends to the right slightly and as you finish that bend ther was a ranch with trees, windmill, water sprinklers, people. Now that was wierd, if theyd only gone the other direction.when we got back home, I started going into the la cronica's (Mexicali's newspaper) web page and found out that her name was Rosario, she was 26 years old, etc.l My wife was reading all the stories they wrote about the incident and she, against all logic wrote to one of the reporters to tell our story, and they even printed it. I was kind of nervouse that they might find us but nothing happened, the girls mother ended up emailing mi wife and thanking her for all she did for her daughter.

http://www.lacronica.com/EdicionImpresa/ejemplaresanteriores...

http://www.lacronica.com/EdicionImpresa/ejemplaresanteriores...
http://www.lacronica.com/EdicionImpresa/ejemplaresanteriores...
http://www.lacronica.com/EdicionImpresa/ejemplaresanteriores...

Martyman - 7-30-2009 at 03:36 PM

Wow! Quite a story Fernando. I'm putting the extra water in the car right now.

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-30-2009 at 03:57 PM

What a sad story Fernando. Thank you for sharing it with us. You and Simone were wonderful. You guys did everything possible for these poor unfortunate souls. As indicated by the mother of the young woman she was grateful for your intervention. I’m positive the young man was grateful too. God bless you guys for being there and helping.

TMW - 7-30-2009 at 05:23 PM

It is so sad for some one to die like that. I also think is is very good of you and your family to help even when things could be touchy with the Federales.

vandy - 7-30-2009 at 07:23 PM

There is one other survival technique that sometimes works before walking away from a dead vehicle (for instance, a broken axle or blown tranny) in a hostile environment:

Light the vehicle on fire. The smoke/flames/explosions can attract attention.

I am not kidding. I was taught that at survival school. If you're worried about your boss/insurance/whoever, drain the radiator and leave the motor running with a rock on the gas pedal. It'll blow big time.

I'm so saddened to hear stories of unnecessary deaths, like the teenager who drowned within twenty feet of help at the hot spring dam in El Chorro this spring.

redhilltown - 7-30-2009 at 09:55 PM

Yikes! I had forgotten when I was at the canyon a few years ago alone and man came walking up---walking up----to the campgrounds with a woman and a VERY young baby. I think I was at Paloma. I hailed him to ask if all was ok and he said he had gotten stuck in the sand. I started getting my truck ready as he went up to the host to tell him what was going on. As it turned out they went to get his truck while I stayed with the Japanese wife and the infant. It was one of those things where you wonder was he crazy to do that with such a young kid but on the other hand, giving him credit for adventuring and making the adventure a part of the kid's soul whether he knows it or not. Since I don't have kids I'll never have to take on this battle.

A great article mentioned earlier. Who knows, this thread may save someone's life?

fdt - 7-31-2009 at 06:08 AM

On the other hand there is Sr. Rios that walks from Mexicali to Tijuana and back. He does'nt know it's hot so he's fine. When offered a ride he declined saying he was almost there.


TMW - 7-31-2009 at 07:25 AM

It can happen anywhere. Article in the paper this morning of an older couple in their 80s near Barstow, CA. They were on a road detour and got stuck in the sand. Left the car walking for help and some people found him and about 400 yards behind was his wife, she died at the hospital.

BAJACAT - 7-31-2009 at 12:54 PM

According to the investigation, the last to die was the little boy, i can imagine a young kid by him self in the middle of the Salada, very tragic ending.Im surprise how with so many tragic deaths in the Salada, that this place is not haunted, please don't forget the Mexican soldiers that die, while doing a survival training in the Salada.

Cypress - 7-31-2009 at 01:11 PM

Extra water sounds like a good idea. Been back in the Baja boonies a time or two. Would have been in deep doo-doo if the rig broke down. Cell phones might not work. Let someone know where you're going and when you'll be back. Pretty simple. Might save your burro.:biggrin:

DianaT - 8-1-2009 at 09:08 AM

Ferna, that is just a really sad, sad story and one I am sure your whole family will never forget. And they were so close to safety---so easy to get disoriented in the forest or the desert.

I know we have made some mistakes in travel, but fortunate to the results were not tragic.

new signs

BAJACAT - 8-5-2009 at 09:21 PM

New signs are now install in the two main entrances to laguna Salada, in the new future water for the vehicles will be available in barrels and also drinking water will be suply to prevente more deaths, all this a result of the 3 people that loss their lives when their vehicle got stuck in soft sand. Its a shame that it took so many lives to come to this point, but late is better that never.The signs tells you of the precautions and dangers of entering into this desolated place if you are not prepare, the link is i9n spanish i couldn't find it in english sorry.
http://www.mexicowebcast.com.mx/index.php?loc=4&inner=ar...

BAJACAT - 8-5-2009 at 09:37 PM

HERE IS THE ABOVE LINK IN ENGLISH .MEXICALI, BC .- This Tuesday began installing a sign at the entrance to the area known as the "Pavarotti" at the Laguna Salada, as part of a preventive program to disseminate minimum for survival and to avoid incidents that endanger life. The Deputy Juan Manuel Garcia Molina, chairman of the Committee of Public Safety, together with the Citizen Council for Public Security José Carlos Vizcarra presiding and the City of Mexicali, performed this action. In this desert area, where the a temperature above 50 degrees centigrade in summer, placed signs and other drums of drinking water. The recommendations of the signs are to survive in the wilderness of the Directorate for Civil Protection and groups of hikers. Among other things, it is suggested not only carry water but also contain electrolytes, lemon and salt to prevent dehydration and to avoid risking the lives of families. It is also recommended that the car is the suspension or wheel drive because the road ahead is sandy and there are many stone carry spare tires, tools, fuel reserve, first aid kit, food and clothing. After nearly a month of being missing, was located the body of the officer of the Preventive Police in Mexicali, Miriam Yaneth Jaimes Rodriguez, his son, Jose de Jesus, and Arnoldo López Acevedo, apparently was his sentimental partner. The bodies were found approximately 20 miles from the Mexicali-Tijuana Bundesstrasse within the glass of the Laguna Salada desert afntijuana.info




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Vince - 8-7-2009 at 02:15 PM

Laguna Salada claims lives even when it is full of water. In the mid '70's or a bit later, a young male student pilot was coming back to San Diego from a cross country to the desert, Yuma, I think. He knew he had to keep the Salton Sea to the north of his path coming home, but unfortunatly the recent heavy rains filled up Laguna Salada. He confused Laguna Salada with the Salton Sea and flew south of it instead. That took him very far south out of his way and he ran out of fuel in the rugged country on his way to the coast. He started walking from his aircraft and died on the way never encountering another soul. Baja can be tough and unforgiving of mistakes.

Crusoe - 8-7-2009 at 05:18 PM

Also available nowdays are some lightwieght sun shades that pack up in a small nylon sleeve. All differernt sizes are available. Kelty makes some really nice ones. Just bieng able to get out of the direct sunlight at temps over 100 degrees is essential to survival.++C++;D;D

Kell-Baja - 8-8-2009 at 10:16 AM

Thank God you guys were able to save the man. How sad that the girl had to die. I am now crying.


Quote:
Originally posted by fdt
I posted this some years ago about a trip we made to Cañon de Guadalupe and how we saved one life but lost another who died in Simone's arms.

On May 04 2004 we took a trip to Cañon de Guadalupe, fdt, Mrs. ferna, and the kids in one Saturn VUE and James and his daughter in another Saturn VUE, we wanted to try them out, both brand new, the plan was to leave Tijuana early, but ended up leaving till about 10, we reached the Ca?on de Guadalupe exit at about noon or so and into the Salada we went, there was some pavement then, maybe for about a few miles in and then the dirt started, about 4 miles in we see at a distance a man walking, as we get closer he starts waving at us but not very energetic as if his arm weighed a ton, remember it's around 12:30 and it's 109 farenheit according to our thermometer in the mirror and this guy is just walking twards us. Were all what the? and we stop and the guy is foaming in the mouth and sais ayudenme por favor, immediatly we start asking what is he doing walking in the dessert (he had a digital camera hanging from his neck and was well dressed but dusty). As we continue asking and giving him gatorade / water / soda, we sat him in front of the air conditioner (the guy was dying when we found him), he starts to compose himself and starts telling us that they thought they whent to far and in turning bak got stuck in the sand and that they waited and waited and no one would drive by so they decided to walk to the hwy and that his friend was back there cause she couldn't make it any further. I'm all what do you mean back there, there is someone else? So we get back in our cars and there we go full speed and after quite a way we spot someone laying on the middle of the road. Were all Oh my God! Oh poop! En la madre! We get there, get out of the car and it's a young laidy just laying there navy blue skirt, white shirt, navy blue sport coat. I start moving her in desperation, Simone tells me get out of the way and starts mouth to mouth, listens to her heart, sais she still has a heart beat, I say lets get her in the car fast! Rapido, rapido! I start emptying the back of our VUE of fire wood, ice chests, transfer the tents, sleeping bags etc from the back of my friends VUE and we get her into the back of his vahicle and off they go to the hwy, James his daughter the guy, and my wife with the lady trying to resucitate her. I stayed with the kids, loaded up some stuff, left behind some other stuff and followed them. when we got to the hwy I'm all now what? so I head twards Mexicali. I spot them on the side of the road by one of the emergency phones and there is a white pick p truck aproaching them, the ones that work on the roads. kids stay in the car, I go to the other car, my wife is crying, the girl's dead. The road guys call the caseta de cobro and 2 more trucks arrive and they call an ambulance. By this time Simone (Mrs. ferna) is getting really peeed off at these people that work on the roads and don't even have a first aid kit, or nothing and are just staring at the dead girl and she's all but the guy needs help he's all dehidrated. The ambulance arrives and the same story, they go to the dead girl and pay no attention to the guy. Finaly they cover up the girl w/a white sheet and tend to the guy. Remember the dead girl is inside the back of my friends car. so now they say that they have to wait for the federal because of the dead girl. When the federalde caminos arrives we realize the hole thing that happened and all of the possible complications (dead girl in car? Who done it). We start explaning to the federal and tell him the whole story. he gets on his cellular and is talking to someone, he goes to his patrol car and radios, then another cellular call and then another and another. He comes back to were we are by the ambulance and then to my friends car, uncovers the girs face and sais to the ambulance guys I don't think she's dead, he orders us all to follow him, that we were going to the hospital in Mexicali to get an electrocardiograma to verify that the girl was dead. So here we go caravaning, the federal, my friend, with dead girl in back, the ambulance, me and the kids, the three hwy trucks. Boy it seemed like a long way, we whent all the way downtown MXL to the Hospital General, drove into the emergency drive, we all get out, it looked like they were already expecting us, a young doctor goes to the back of my friends car and verifies that the girl is dead, the federal orders them to get her out of the car and get an electrocardiograma for verification. They all look at him like he's wierd or something but obey and get the girl out and place her in a wheelchair, and could'nt get her straight enough to sit (she was stiff) and they rolled her into the hospital. the federal callls us and sais give me your information so we do that and then he sais "You need to hurry and move your cars because they are blocking the emergency driveway".
My friend and I realized tat that was our queue, out get out of jail card, our ticket to leave. We now knew what all those call were for back in the hwy.
So there we go back to Cañon de Guadalupe, this time we took distances, from the road to were we found the guy, from the guy to the girl's location and pick up our stuff and then we whent for 9.8 miles and found the truck stuck in the sand, brand new, with a sign on the sides that said CESPM. They were both engineers for the water company on theire way to do a survey at a ranch and they realized that they had gone to far, stoped and tried to return and the truck got stuck, they had no radio, no water and no cel phone(it wouldnt have worked anyway). Anyway we got out of our cars and we all whent to the truck like something was calling us to look at it, it was the missing link to the story, our experience, the kid's real live dead person, it was reality, lessons to be learned, time, meditation, prayer, thankfulness, and reality. Ok now so we went on our way, by this time the sun has gone down so we want to hurry so Arturo is still awake when we get there. Here is were it really got weird half a mile in tward the canyon the road bends to the right slightly and as you finish that bend ther was a ranch with trees, windmill, water sprinklers, people. Now that was wierd, if theyd only gone the other direction.when we got back home, I started going into the la cronica's (Mexicali's newspaper) web page and found out that her name was Rosario, she was 26 years old, etc.l My wife was reading all the stories they wrote about the incident and she, against all logic wrote to one of the reporters to tell our story, and they even printed it. I was kind of nervouse that they might find us but nothing happened, the girls mother ended up emailing mi wife and thanking her for all she did for her daughter.

http://www.lacronica.com/EdicionImpresa/ejemplaresanteriores...

http://www.lacronica.com/EdicionImpresa/ejemplaresanteriores...
http://www.lacronica.com/EdicionImpresa/ejemplaresanteriores...
http://www.lacronica.com/EdicionImpresa/ejemplaresanteriores...

Mexitron - 8-8-2009 at 10:41 AM

I remember reading about some Arabs who had survived quite a long time by getting underneath their broken down truck during the midday heat in the Sahara.

If possible don't try to hike out in the heat of the day--night and early morning is a lot easier on the human body...perhaps at night the folks could have seen the lights from the nearby rancho. If stuck like they were dig the sand out from under the car by hand if you have to, or find some other shade and wait until it cools down. So sorry for those people...RIP.

LancairDriver - 8-8-2009 at 10:50 AM

Almost identical incident in california a few days ago. A las vegas woman and her 11 year old sun were camping in Death valley and got high centered in sand off the beaten path. A park ranger found her in time but her 11 year old son sadly didn't make it. She blamed a faulty GPS for getting lost. Didn't have any maps or compass with her.

Taco de Baja - 8-8-2009 at 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by LancairDriver
She blamed a faulty GPS for getting lost. Didn't have any maps or compass with her.


More likely a faulty user. I have only had my GPS fail me once. I was in the middle of Santa Catalina Island, and my GPS told me I was someplace in the desert west of Las Vegas...and the estimated position error was 20 feet. :lol:

Always carry a shovel and a pick, if you plan on traveling off road. You'll probably need it some day.

Death Valley

bajaguy - 8-8-2009 at 11:59 AM

Similar event in Death Valley

http://www.lvrj.com/news/52756377.html