BajaNomad - Road conditions after Jimena

Road conditions after Jimena

foonman - 9-4-2009 at 11:57 AM

I am travelling to Todos Santos from San Diego on Sept. 14th. Is anyone aware of the current highway conditions and gas availability?

Bajahowodd - 9-4-2009 at 12:00 PM

Can you read, foonman? Spend a few minutes perusing the threads related to Jimena and Mulege. :no:

DianaT - 9-4-2009 at 12:03 PM

Welcome---

The other threads are a lot to wade through----from what is reported, the road is out at Santa Rosalia in more than one place and south of Mulege. Mulege is isolated right now.

Gas in the south will be a problem at least for a while.

Keep checking and again, welcome.

Diane

Gadget - 9-4-2009 at 12:05 PM

"Current" road conditions after spending some time scanning numerous threads on the damage after H Jimena may lead you to postpone your trip.

10 days from now is a whole different story, which will change dramatically on a daily basis as the resilient Baja folk make repairs.

At least plan on additional days for your trip as it will be slower and more hazardous in some areas than usual.

shari - 9-4-2009 at 12:06 PM

by the 14th it shouldnt' be a problem...the roads are a priority to get open fast so supplies and help can come in...the arroyos and bridges will have detours built around the bad bits but it will be passable....barring any other weather problems that may come up before then.

David K - 9-4-2009 at 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by foonman
I am travelling to Todos Santos from San Diego on Sept. 14th. Is anyone aware of the current highway conditions and gas availability?

In the main hurricane thread, this was posted at 8:33 this morning: "The road from Loreto to Cabo San Lucas is passable. From Loreto to Santa Rosalia there are 9 washouts and the road is not passable. So Mulegé is currently isolated."

Now, you have to decide that going down there in 10 days are you going to find the road repaired... Bring empty gas cans and fill them in Mexico somewhere between Rosarito and El Rosario.

Mika - 9-4-2009 at 12:23 PM

First, I would like to send my regards to everyone whose affected by this. I believe in resilience of people in Baja, and I am looking forward to my trip in the end of this month.

I have been following the main Jimena thread for all week. At the same time, there is a lot of info, some of which are (understandably) duplicate info. If it is possible, I would like to see this Specific to Road Condition After Jimena thread independent of the main Jimena discussion and keep it going on its own. . . . just IMHO. :light:

Sharksbaja - 9-4-2009 at 12:34 PM

Good idea Mika. There are many pertinent and relevant posts that become redundant or lost behind the other new posts.

A current road report is a great thread. Perhaps changing your post header to say "Current" would be more appropriate and we can get up to the min info and not have to wade thru the chaff.

Bienvenidos, Corky

oldjack - 9-4-2009 at 12:42 PM

I too want to keep abreast of current road conditions... I expect to cross into MX from Mexicali on the 13/14th and drive to Los Barriles... I am not a fan of Santa Rosalia(and do not want to hang out there) so I will delay heading south if I have to... I am taking some school supplies down but they can wait... I anxiously await for those first few adventurist who head down next week..... ROAD REPORTS PLEASE!!!!!

foonman... even if you do read... it seems that some postings just jump out at newbies for the hell of it.... be patient the information will come...

Russ - 9-4-2009 at 02:15 PM

I have two friends that left San Diego this morning for Punta Chivato. They expect to be here tomorrow. Will post their info as I hear from them.

MikeLikeBaja - 9-4-2009 at 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Can you read, foonman? Spend a few minutes perusing the threads related to Jimena and Mulege. :no:

Bajahowodd, That was a jackazz answer.

[Edited on 9-6-2009 by MikeLikeBaja]

BajaNuts - 9-4-2009 at 09:47 PM

ok, folks, no time to be snarky,

foonman just happened along in the middle of some heavy stuff.

maybe this is his first forum..............?!?

Welcome foonman!

keep watching, info will be coming....

Russ - 9-5-2009 at 06:00 AM

I just received this, "Thanks for the photos, Russ. I got as far as San Ignacio but turned back to
Viscaino when told the road was out 13 km south of San Ignacio."

Bob and Susan - 9-5-2009 at 06:16 AM

santa rosalia

santarosalia.jpg - 42kB

David K - 9-5-2009 at 06:32 AM

Good morning Bob...

Glad you are okay!

mulegemichael - 9-5-2009 at 06:52 AM

it's gonna take a few dump truck loads before that chasm is full...

k-rico - 9-5-2009 at 07:19 AM

A road report thread is a good idea. I'm planning a trip down to TS in late October and I'm sure by then the roads will be repaired, but then again, it still is hurricane season.

shari - 9-5-2009 at 09:20 AM

I just heard that the highway was now passable through to la paz...

captain4tuna - 9-5-2009 at 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Russ
I just received this, "Thanks for the photos, Russ. I got as far as San Ignacio but turned back to
Viscaino when told the road was out 13 km south of San Ignacio."

What is the condition of San Ignacio? Specifically San Igancio Springs? Very anxious for any news!

MikeQQQ - 9-5-2009 at 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shari
I just heard that the highway was now passable through to la paz...

Hi Sheri, From where to La Paz? Any details? Who said? How passable?
Thanks

shari - 9-5-2009 at 12:42 PM

i was told TJ to La paz is open...i am sure that there are detours around bridges...muddy arroyos etc but passable is all i know.

i imagine things are fairly bleak right now at ignacio springs...biggest flood since 1959 and waters may have reached the roofs of the yurts...no word if they are still there or not but the palapas down the road at the campground are not....very very serious flood there.

jimboats - 9-5-2009 at 12:58 PM

have several friends with houses in posada that want to leave this wed., i keep telling them to wait another week.

Bajahowodd - 9-5-2009 at 01:06 PM

The hurricane received so little attention in the US media, mostly because once it was clear that Los Cabos was spared, it ceased being an interesting story North of the border. Because most of the the folks NOB only know of Los Cabos. That said, it breaks my heart to find three of the most precious little towns in Baja suffering so much. San Ignacio, Santa Rosalia and Mulege were the more or less hidden gems of Baja, each with their own unique character. Here's hoping that their restoration will make them even more inviting.

Barry A. - 9-5-2009 at 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
The hurricane received so little attention in the US media, mostly because once it was clear that Los Cabos was spared, it ceased being an interesting story North of the border. Because most of the the folks NOB only know of Los Cabos. That said, it breaks my heart to find three of the most precious little towns in Baja suffering so much. San Ignacio, Santa Rosalia and Mulege were the more or less hidden gems of Baja, each with their own unique character. Here's hoping that their restoration will make them even more inviting.

I echo your thought 100%. VERY WELL SAID. Barry

Crusoe - 9-5-2009 at 01:12 PM

The road may be open and doable for the adventerous.... but finding relable fuel sources may be tricky.

Russ - 9-6-2009 at 03:53 AM

Three friends got in yesterday afternoon. They're biggest complaint was locals in sedans trying to get thru all the mud and detours stopping traffic in both directions. Also flaggers letting traffic go from both direction at the same time into a single lane. Fuel in GN yesterday. They saw an caravan of simis heading North so trucking can get through, Probable empty. Every hour condition improve. Be patient, you know just get in the Baja mode and leave Calif. hurry up at home!

Dianamo - 9-6-2009 at 07:03 PM

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Originally posted by Santiago
We crossed the border at Tecate on Saturday afternoon - got the red light but only very quick inspection a drove on. Made GN tonight (Saturday).

GEEEEZZ... will you please give me driving lessons? Crossed @ Tecate Saturday afternoon and made it to GN by Saturday night?
I hope you visited a few friends along the way for seven days!

DENNIS - 9-6-2009 at 07:19 PM

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Originally posted by Dianamo
GEEEEZZ... will you please give me driving lessons? Crossed @ Tecate Saturday afternoon and made it to GN by Saturday night?

Same day....Foot to the floor...Why not?

Mika - 9-6-2009 at 07:20 PM

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Originally posted by Dianamo

Quote:

Originally posted by Santiago
We crossed the border at Tecate on Saturday afternoon - got the red light but only very quick inspection a drove on. Made GN tonight (Saturday).

GEEEEZZ... will you please give me driving lessons? Crossed @ Tecate Saturday afternoon and made it to GN by Saturday night?
I hope you visited a few friends along the way for seven days!

I think he meant arrived in GN tonight (SUNDAY).

Santiago, please let us know how the rest of your trip goes.
Drive safely!

Bob and Susan - 9-6-2009 at 07:23 PM

geezzz i make it to mulege
from the border in one day

you just drive and drive and drive
and
listen to books on cd

DENNIS - 9-6-2009 at 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by Bob and Susan
listen to books on cd

You should try a little TV on the dash. :lol:

Honestly, I don't know how you can pay attention to anything other than the road.

Paula - 9-6-2009 at 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bob and Susan
geezzz i make it to mulege
from the border in one day

you just drive and drive and drive
and
listen to books on cd

Ever drive south of Mulege?

Maybe you're that guy who almost killed me when I foolishly signalled my left turn into Playa la Perla :biggrin:

BajaNuts - 9-6-2009 at 07:37 PM

Originally posted by Santiago
We crossed the border at Tecate on Saturday afternoon - got the red light but only very quick inspection a drove on. Made GN tonight (Saturday).

Border to GN on the same day? totally do-able...

cross the border anytime between 12:00noon and 1:00pm(that's afternoon), 9 hours driving, arrive in GN 9:00pm-10:00pm.

Dianamo - 9-6-2009 at 07:44 PM

A friend of mine can cross the San Diego border at dawn and arrive at Santispac by 10:00pm. I can't keep up with him and if I'm in the same vehicle, I scream, more than once!

Bajahowodd - 9-6-2009 at 07:46 PM

Much depends on how many trucks you encounter between Maneadero and El Rosario. Can be easy or a big pain.

Santiago - 9-6-2009 at 08:13 PM

Jeezo you guys. I goofed. Slept in Ensenada SATURDAY and we're in GN tonight. SUNDAY Met some guys in GN at the restaurant who had just come from 2 weeks at Abriojos (SP). Maybe 30MPH winds and a little rain. Said they had a bunch of noseeums last night - maybe the hatch is starting?? My buddy just cracked the JD so I'm out of here.

[Edited on 9-7-2009 by Santiago]

shari - 9-7-2009 at 07:47 AM

only problem with arriving in GN in the dark is that that stretch of road the hour north of GN is EXTREMELY dangerous...very narrow with black cows everywhere....lot of deaths on that stretch....get up earlier for that drive...many folks here who cross the border by 6 get to Asuncion before dark.

Bajahowodd - 9-7-2009 at 12:36 PM

Driving after dark is a risky proposition just about anywhere along Highway 1. Not to mention the fatigue factor trying to cover so many miles. Maybe because I'm getting old, or maybe because of a highly agitated, screaming passenger, I've taken to doing much shorter stretches. Time was I did Cabo to Orange County with a single overnight at San Ignacio. I now sometimes take three overnights; even four. Some great folks along the way, more and more good hotels,and excellent restaurants.

believe it or not...i have one - no -

capt. mike - 9-7-2009 at 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

Quote:

Originally posted by Bob and Susan
listen to books on cd

You should try a little TV on the dash. :lol:

Honestly, I don't know how you can pay attention to anything other than the road.

actually 2 DVD screens in the plane. one flip down on the lid for back seaters and one 7" TFT flip up on the dash far right side.

as soon as we cross the border well west of Nogales and bee line it for mulege i start a movie and switch to Mazatlan center except when in vicinity of Hermosillo approach. And i put the other radio on plane to plane freq. (monitor 2) there is NO ONE out there at my altitude.
so - the wife watches a movie and i follow along safely while scanning for usual traffic and monitoring radio chat along with the DVD soundtrack.
less than 2 hours later we are in mulege.

i couldn't watch a movie if i was driving - too much work to stay on the road. but planes have aut pilots.
o
kids...do not try this at home. :light:

DENNIS - 9-7-2009 at 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by capt. mike
NO ONE out there at my altitude.

Which is probably two hundred feet off the deck most of the time. :lol:

anxiously awaiting Santiago's

Dianamo - 9-7-2009 at 03:46 PM

travel update for today!

Bajahowodd - 9-7-2009 at 05:55 PM

Sorry, but I really don't think this post belongs in this thread. JIMHO.

Bajaboy - 9-7-2009 at 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Sorry, but I really don't think this post belongs in this thread. JIMHO.

And neither does your comment. JIMHO

BajaSurprise - 9-8-2009 at 11:20 AM

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That is certainly part of the reason. Another reason is that Atlantic hurricanes typically pose a direct threat to the southeastern US, whereas Pacific hurricanes never reach the US.

I am a newbie to this group, but not to Baja. I have driven the length Hwy 1 over a dozen times with my own family and friends, and have been far off the beaten track on many occasions. My first trip down was in 1987, and I fell in love with the place right away, particularly the Sea of Cortez communities. I envy those of my countrymen who have had the good fortune to call Baja Sur home, and I hope to join you one day. My heart goes out to all of you, and to all of the good citizens who have lost so much. You are all in my thoughts. I have seen the resilience and ingenuity of both the baja people and the transplants in practice before, and I know how this will turn out. You are all an inspiration.

Bajahowodd - 9-8-2009 at 11:26 AM

That is certainly part of the reason. Another reason is that Atlantic hurricanes typically pose a direct threat to the southeastern US, whereas Pacific hurricanes never reach the US.

That's if you don't count Hawaii.

Poor Poipu Beach and the Island of Kauai got totally hammered in '82 and '92.

any road reports from San Felepe to Gonzaga bay?

harbormaster - 9-9-2009 at 03:52 PM

Didn't see any reports from the Gonzaga Bay area as far as the roads were concerned. Was going to travel to Punta Bufeo from San Felepe, and that road was bad enough (Bad road good poeple...), but it looks like they must have gotten alot of rain which could have caused some washed out areas. How did the new section (south of Puertecitos) survive its first heavy rain?
thanks

Bajahowodd - 9-9-2009 at 04:13 PM

Just wondering. I don't claim to be an expert about Mexico, or Baja. My credentials consist of someone who has traveled to Mexico since the very early seventies. Been all over Mexico. But have to admit that I have spent more time in Baja than anywhere else. After watching the forum resond to hurricane Jimena, I had this nagging feeling that there are folks who embrace the idea that the country of Mexico is unable to protect and help its own people. There have been a number of posts proferring the concept that Mexican relief agencies, and the government as a whole, are working successfully to ease the pain and help their citizens. Personally, as someone who has spent a great deal of time in Mexico for three decades, I just wonder that, in 2009, should people cling to the old ideas that nobody cared.

makomarkos - 9-9-2009 at 06:22 PM

Arrived home Los B 1800hrs from GN Wed 09 condition update
road open all the way to Cabo
gas and diesel everywhere except station next to military at GN
electricity in most places but Mulege. Maybe tonight or tomorow. Insurgents out also
Cell phone coverage at all towns except Mulege
New road from La Paz to San Antonio the worst of all. Lotsa washouts and potholes

Mulege, Santa Rosalia, Insurgentes and Constitution REAL BAD CONDITION. THEY GOT WACKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Loreto too but not half as bad.

More details later

Bill Collector - 9-10-2009 at 07:32 AM

Thanks Mako,
that will help out our friends who are trying to figure out when they can leave San Diego to come down this way.

David K - 9-10-2009 at 07:59 PM

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Originally posted by harbormaster
Didn't see any reports from the Gonzaga Bay area as far as the roads were concerned. Was going to travel to Punta Bufeo from San Felepe, and that road was bad enough (Bad road good poeple...), but it looks like they must have gotten alot of rain which could have caused some washed out areas. How did the new section (south of Puertecitos) survive its first heavy rain?
thanks

From what I have read and seen here and on other forums, the weather from Jimena didn't do anything bad north of L.A. Bay. This was per chat room posts from Doc (Camp Gecko) on Mia's forum.

BajaNuts - 9-10-2009 at 10:04 PM

welcome and thanks for posting to bajasurprise, harbormaster and Mako.

fuelpusher2 - 9-11-2009 at 09:41 AM

Received this from friends who just made the drive south 9/09-9/10.

The road conditions (San Diego to Loreto) were mostly good. The big bridge at Santa Rosalia had been repaired the five small bridges south of there all had damage & you had to detour through the dirt lost about a half hour.

oldjack - 9-11-2009 at 10:39 AM

will be crossing into Tecate on Tuesday morning... I hope I gleaned in correctly that there is gasoline available everywhere(particularly south of Guerrero Negro...) heading for Los Barriles...

Mako, you were State side?

pangamadness - 9-11-2009 at 06:54 PM

Mako, You were state side and did not say hi. I will not be so rude. See ya in Oct.

makomarkos - 9-11-2009 at 09:25 PM

Pangamadness. I'm sorry. I have alot to be ashamed of and will discuss over a Ballena soon!!!!

SD - Loreto 9/13-14

tehag - 9-14-2009 at 03:14 PM

Worst of the whole trip is the gravel and dirt for a couple of miles just out of Maneadero, 70 miles from the border.

No sign of Jimena until after Viscaino, then it starts getting green. Some arroyos past San Ignacio aren't completely clear yet, but no problem, just slow down a bit. Then from Santa Rosalia on south there are a lot of slow-down spots. They are all well marked with orange markers. 20mph may be a little hot for a couple of them. The only real detour is between San Bruno and Palo Verde and has been there for months. 5 hours GN to Loreto — near normal for me. I wouldn't try it on a skateboard, but the VW Golf was just fine.

Bajahowodd - 9-14-2009 at 05:02 PM

Geez. Is that road South of Maneadero still under construction? It was a mess in late June.

Need in for on these areas

baja Steve - 9-14-2009 at 05:46 PM

Needing info and road conditions for the following areas. Aqua Verde, Comondu’s, Las Barrancas, San Gregoro, Ejido Cadeje, San Jose De Gracia. Can get needed items to them if we can get there.

Need info on these areas

baja Steve - 9-14-2009 at 07:38 PM

Needing info and road conditions for the following areas. Aqua Verde, Comondu’s, Las Barrancas, San Gregoro, Ejido Cadeje, San Jose De Gracia. Can get needed items to them is we can get there.

Need info on these areas

baja Steve - 9-15-2009 at 06:47 AM

Needing info and road conditions for the following areas. Aqua Verde, Comondu’s, Las Barrancas, San Gregoro, Ejido Cadeje, San Jose De Gracia. Can get needed items to them is we can get there.

oladulce - 9-15-2009 at 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by baja Steve
Needing info and road conditions for the following areas. Aqua Verde, Comondu’s, Las Barrancas, San Gregoro, Ejido Cadeje, San Jose De Gracia. Can get needed items to them is we can get there.

"Juan del Rio" was in las Barrancas last week. If you don't get any other responses, try a u2u to nomad CP- she will have heard about or been to Cadeje and could probably find out about San Gregorio for you. I don't think she reads the forum all the time, but a u2u should trigger an email to her.

[Edited on 9-17-2009 by oladulce]

Asuncion to La Paz, 9/15

twogringos - 9-16-2009 at 01:43 PM

The road is clear and smooth. About 30 vados have dirt fill in 10-30 ft sections and most can be driven at high speed. The approaches to the curved bridge in Santa Rosalia are packed and smooth. In fact, any time lost slowing down is easily made up in Constitution where the powerless signals have been replaced with stop signs.
Seriously, it is a sad drive to make seeing all the destruction along the Pacific coast. The power infrastructure was really hard hit, with several hundreds of poles broken off at the ground and 10 miles of high tension power towers twisted to the ground. CFE really has to be commended for all the resources they are putting in there.

Comondu's & La Purisima

baja Steve - 9-18-2009 at 04:06 PM

We have a load of school supplies ready to go from La Paz for the Comondu's and La Purisima. Would like any road info. They will be leaving Monday morning.

David K - 9-18-2009 at 06:41 PM

Steve, the word BEFORE the hurricane was the San Javier/ Loreto to Comondu/ La Purisima road was pretty bad.

Unless you hear different, I would say the best bet is to use the paved road north from Insurgentes to La Purisima... and the graded road off that one to Comondu (from Poza Grande/ Francisco Villa).