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Shootout at San Ysidro POE

Mexicorn - 9-22-2009 at 04:09 PM

Initial report:
Just in at least five people shot and transported to Mercy hospital in San Diego. Two to three vehicles involved in a shoot out at least one vehicle reportedly a van exchanged gunfire at 3:30PM today. The Vehicles were enterining the US from Mexico.
More to come...

[Edited on 9-22-2009 by Mexicorn]

24baja - 9-22-2009 at 04:15 PM

wow, hope they don't do that when we go through on the 4th.

Taco de Baja - 9-22-2009 at 04:17 PM

A little road rage, perhaps?
"Cut me off, will-ya? Take that!" :no:

DENNIS - 9-22-2009 at 04:20 PM

You must have a scanner. It's not news anywhere else as yet.

bajario - 9-22-2009 at 04:27 PM

On channel 7/39 right now. All suspects supposedly in custody. 4:27 pm

losfrailes - 9-22-2009 at 05:30 PM

here 'tis

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/sep/22/bn22shoot...

Mexicorn - 9-22-2009 at 06:32 PM

News eight now reporting at least 70 taken into custody that were in three vehicles. POE Mexico into US will be closed at least until midnight.

Crusoe - 9-22-2009 at 06:36 PM

And that is just only one isolated incident! It makes a person question just how many incidents like this that go undetected????? C

Mexicorn - 9-22-2009 at 06:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Crusoe
And that is just only one isolated incident! It makes a person question just how many incidents like this that go undetected????? C

Dude -are you kidding? They Shut down the border into the US. The most frequented border in the world. What do you mean undetected?

DENNIS - 9-22-2009 at 08:27 PM

Oh Lord.............

DENNIS - 9-22-2009 at 08:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid

Question. From your expert point of view Nomads, do you think this is odd?


Yes.
No.
What?

Gnu....you make it sound as though they were performing a skit. Perhaps they're going into contract negotiations and want more pay for hazardous duty.

?????

bajaguy - 9-22-2009 at 08:57 PM

hey, gnu....what do you think is odd???

please list your thoughts

arrowhead - 9-22-2009 at 09:11 PM

I think that this incident shows that, in spite of the naysayers, the border fence and security is having a big effect on illegal border crossings. That was an act of desperation, trying to cross at the most heavily watched, guarded and secure part of the border at San Ysidro. What were they thinking?

As far as gnukids comments, I think the owners of this board should set minimum standards for posters. Like, they should have to be able to demonstrate they are not legally insane. It is really depressing reading his posts -- staring into the depths of insanity like that.

lizard lips - 9-22-2009 at 09:19 PM

A customs agent was involved and they went into the wrong lane or he was relieved?

There will be a lot agents sweatin this one out.......

Von - 9-22-2009 at 09:20 PM

I got to the border at 3:25pm only 20 cars was stuck 1.5hrs .Gates closed So i

went to Otay and that was really fun cannt wait to do that again no one

was able to cross till 7pm tonight @ the San Ysidro border, I just got home 8:45pm I

live 25 miles from the border lots of fun!!!!:mad::mad:

arrowhead - 9-22-2009 at 09:25 PM

There's plenty of facts out there now, Paul, if you choose to read them. The incident is reported in all the Mexican papers along the border along with eyewitness accounts. Try reading Frontera, El Sol de Tijuana, El Mexicano and Agencia Fronteriza de Noticias. You can find them all on Google.

You don't have to make up alternative theories in a vacuum, as you are want to do.

bajaguy - 9-22-2009 at 09:26 PM

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/sep/22/bn22shoot...

lizard lips - 9-22-2009 at 09:33 PM

Thanks Terry------ Makes no sense to me what the heck they were trying to do. Did they think that once they made it across they were home free?

bajaguy - 9-22-2009 at 09:36 PM

Probably figured they could get one or two vans through in the confusion............but maybe it's a government plot. The news article didn't mention how many black helicopters were involved.

tjBill - 9-22-2009 at 09:41 PM

Entered Mexico at Otay this evening, 6:30 pm. Big backup both entering and leaving Mexico. Guess people were trying to avoid San Ysidro.

bajaguy - 9-22-2009 at 09:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by tjBill
Entered Mexico at Otay this evening, 6:30 pm. Big backup both entering and leaving Mexico. Guess people were trying to avoid San Ysidro.





Yup, being around flying lead is never good for your health

arrowhead - 9-22-2009 at 09:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid

The consistency of your behavior and action certainly belies your role and intent.

Case closed.


I'm reopening the case. Here is an eyewitness report from AFN from a man whose fiancee was in line two cars back when the incident occured. I know you read Spanish, so there is no need to translate it. Just compare it to your conjured up rendition of what occured.

"informante anónimo
Septiembre 22nd, 2009
Esta es la version que mi novia me comento, que estaba a 2 carros de cruzar la linea: todo fue por una panel que quiso cruzar a la brava por la sentri. Como la panel no se detuvo a la revision, se activo una alarma. Inmediatamente todos los oficiales cerraron sus garitas y corrieron hacia la panel. Le gritaron y todo a la panel para que se
detuviera pero esta no se detuvo, seguia rumbo a SD para darse a la fuga, fue entonces que le comenzaron a disparar. Aparentemente la panel respondio los balazos. En menos de 10 minutos ya estaban los de CSI acordonando la zona, despues llegaron los policias mexicanos a sacar a todos los carros en reversa de regreso a mexico. Segun mi novia hubo muchos heridos."

http://afntijuana.info/blog/?p=18200#more-18200

DavidT - 9-22-2009 at 10:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid

As has been shown, this pattern is the textbook approach of Mass Communications Specialists who are hope to sway politics.



What's your favorite mind-protection material? I like this one.
http://www.reynoldspkg.com/reynoldskitchens/en/product.asp?c...

redhilltown - 9-22-2009 at 11:34 PM

Forgive me for getting in the way of the "conversation", but 70 PEOPLE IN THREE VEHICLES???!!!!!

Wha da f*#@???? I was pulled into secondary coming north last week in Tecate. One single old fart who had been fishing for three days in a Toyota truck that obviously had NO one under the bedliner. All my answers matched their wonderful computer. Yet, pulled into secondary, 15 minutes sitting there while they SHOWED me who was boss...finally one guy comes over asks some stupid questions before another guy comes over and asks me stupid questions (these stupid questions on top of the stupid questions of the initial rookie agent at the gate) before they FINALLY bring out someone who seems to be in charge who asks me intelligent questions and has a human face and you can see he knows I am ok and wonders what the HELL where the others thinking. The only other car in secondary was ANOTHER old fart like myself and we just looked at each other and shrugged.

If the coyotes had 70 people in three vehicles they must think they had a chance. Considering me and the other guy who got pulled over, maybe they do. And I can just hear the responses coming in "oh, you just THINK they were stupid questions! you have NO IDEA what they know and HOW they know it".

We have all passed this border hundreds of times. We all know it's a joke. I realize it must be done...I realize most of the guys are doing their best. There just has to be a better way. And by not offering that better way, i am as guilty as any.

k-rico - 9-23-2009 at 06:41 AM

The news is saying the cops opened fire, shooting 3 unarmed people in an area jammed with innocent people, because the smugglers were using their vans as weapons.

David K - 9-23-2009 at 06:46 AM

If they were using vans as weapons, then they weren't 'unarmed'.

If an officer tells you to get out, and you try to run him over.... expect to get shot.

"Shot while being stupid" should be the first thing understood here...

Yes, the new, stronger border fence IS working... The coyotes obviously thought they could rush the border in their 3 vans with 70 people as an EASIER way to sneak in!

k-rico - 9-23-2009 at 06:53 AM

They haven't said that the people who were shot were the smugglers. At least I didn't hear that.

BajaGringo - 9-23-2009 at 06:53 AM

There is a lot of talk on the street down here that the "expected" border agent was not at the gate and the drivers just decided to "go for it" when they weren't waved through. I have a hard time swallowing that their original plan was based on running the suicidal gauntlet they had to know they would face.

When an unfamiliar face appeared at the gate, panic took over. That makes a lot more sense to me...

But what do I know?

[Edited on 9-23-2009 by BajaGringo]

Mexico and Mexican's

wessongroup - 9-23-2009 at 07:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
Something sorta odd here, first off it's not a shootout as apparently only the border police shot at those running the gate without serious injury. A shootout is an exchange of fire which did not occur as far as is being reported.

Second, what coyote would ever run the border through the main gate when they know full well this is impossible and idiotic, there are endless barricades, police, BP and others to protect this one spot, while on the other hand many other sections of the border are apparently open to coyotes as well as tunnels and endless options.

Sorry for perking my spidey sense, but this seems completely orchestrated for drama like so many stories about border violence, staged for effect, notice no one was hurt seriously while a vehicle charged the border-not likely. Since no coyote would do this, who would? Who had the motive, the means and who benefits?

Was border sr.communications officer Arrowhead on base during this operation? Cambio.


Don't know about all the above, but believe your overall thrust is on point.

First learned about this site from an individual who was posting on another board "City Data".

He was from Mexico, Mexico City and was attempting to defend his Country's.

His point was, Mexico is not as bad and/or bad off as it is always protraid by the American press.

I would have to agree, overall most folks here in the "States" think that when you drive across the border you will within minutes: start breaking out in purple spots (an unknown diease which has just evolved from the filth that only exisits in Mexico), you will then be robbed by a band of "Drug Cartel" enforcement types, and lastly your women folk will be raped in the Police Station, and you will be shot in the head along side the road (in down town TJ).

Well that view has not changed since I stated going down with my Dad in 1952.

My mother would never cross the border and go to Mexico, said it was: dirty, dangerous, their food was not inspected, their water, you can not drink.. you know the story.

My brother and I played in the streets on Ensenada in 1952 while my Dad was out fishing on a rough day.. we played with the police... shooting off fire works in the dirt streets. We started going on down to San Quintin we called the place Johnson's Ranch. Saw it in one of Dennis's map's.. we used to camp on the beach with an old canvas tent, coleman stove, water and a shovel. We just surf fished, dug clams, and explored. It was quite a trip in those days, had to take a second part for just about everything. My Dad hade been through the depression and did quite well under those circumstances. I still can't believe that we were driving down in a 1939 Plymouth with a roof rack and 5 kids.

Once we did upgrad to a structure which a Mexican family let us use... we called it the pink hacienda... it was where there pigs lived... it was fun, we were kids and the family had kids so we just had fun, fun fun.. and the pigs were fun too.

Mexico has always been good to me, my wife Mexican's been married 43 years and her family excepted me after a while, her grandmother did not speak to me for 10 years because we did not get married in the "CHURCH".... After all I was a "gringo" and they were at the time "La Raza" big time. I once asked what is it you want... "We want it back".

Well, enough rambling on the subject... but, I do think there is an "orchestrated media message" constanting being put out.... don't go to Mexico!!.

Which in my case is just fine... yeah, I would like to see fewer people down there however, I truly do not wish the negative economic results for the "PEOPLE" that live in Mexico.. they have it hard enough with out that happening too... and it's their Country anyway.

The under lying reason is what I'm think about... WHY

Might be that upto 85% tax level on retiree's income going above $44,000

Saw the report on rent change already, 250-350/month now up to 650-800 for the locals... that is a hard one, as we all know from first hand experience.

Just my 2 cents on the subject

;););):)

Taco de Baja - 9-23-2009 at 07:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaGringo
There is a lot of talk on the street down here that the "expected" border agent was not at the gate and the drivers just decided to "go for it" when they weren't waved through. I have a hard time swallowing that their original plan was based on running the suicidal gauntlet they had to know they would face.

When an unfamiliar face appeared at the gate, panic took over. That makes a lot more sense to me...

But what do I know?

[Edited on 9-23-2009 by BajaGringo]


I agree with your theory. 70 people in 3 vans is a lot of smuggling money, even a small cut of that is a sizable bribe. There is no way 3 vans would be in the same lane and somehow expect to get the 23 people in each van through undetected without help….
”Wadda got in the back?”
“A pile of blankets for the poor in San Diego?”
“Thanks, and have a nice day.”
“What? The guys behind you are blanket donators too?”
“God bless you, I’ll just wave them through.” :rolleyes:

CBT needs to determine what agent was supposed to be in that lane. Or if the Coyotes messed up, what lane they were supposed to be in, and then nail that inspector with a life sentence.

DENNIS - 9-23-2009 at 07:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by redhilltown
I am ok and wonders what the HELL where the others thinking.

And I can just hear the responses coming in "oh, you just THINK they were stupid questions! you have NO IDEA what they know and HOW they know it".



That "good cop -- bad cop" routine at the border is older than Skeet. It's just part of their nonsense. They must think it's effective 'cause they still do it.

Their questions are pointless as well and they arn't asked to get a specific answer. They are more concerned with your frame of mind under questioning. If you stutter or seem slow and confused, they will think your mind is preoccupied and you may warrent a closer look.

k-rico - 9-23-2009 at 07:49 AM

Wessongroup said:

"Well, enough rambling on the subject... but, I do think there is an "orchestrated media message" constanting being put out.... don't go to Mexico!!."

I don't know if the message is orchestrated. I tend to think that many Americans actually take delight in the troubles of Mexico and therefore eagerly buy newspapers and watch news shows headlining the problems. It lessens the quiet desperation of their daily existence to know that others have more significant problems.

Shadenfreude is the word. It's a concept that I've just recently become aware of although it is an idea first warned of in the Old Testament.


[Edited on 9-23-2009 by k-rico]

arrowhead - 9-23-2009 at 07:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Taco de Baja
Quote:
Originally posted by BajaGringo
There is a lot of talk on the street down here that the "expected" border agent was not at the gate and the drivers just decided to "go for it" when they weren't waved through. I have a hard time swallowing that their original plan was based on running the suicidal gauntlet they had to know they would face.

When an unfamiliar face appeared at the gate, panic took over. That makes a lot more sense to me...

But what do I know?

[Edited on 9-23-2009 by BajaGringo]


I agree with your theory. 70 people in 3 vans is a lot of smuggling money, even a small cut of that is a sizable bribe. There is no way 3 vans would be in the same lane and.


I have to disagree with you and bajagabacho. One of the vans in line was reported stolen in San Diego last month. The automatic license plate readers would have flagged it as stolen in the computer, no matter who was at the booth. How would a "bribed" CBP officer explain away passing a stolen vehicle? It would have been an automatic bust for him or her.

No, you can bury that theory along with gnukid's fantasies.

k-rico - 9-23-2009 at 07:59 AM

"How would a "bribed" CBP officer explain away passing a stolen vehicle? It would have been an automatic bust for him or her."

Maybe the stolen vehicle aspect is what caused the bribed officer to reneg on the deal. He knew he couldn't get away with it.

Hope, fear and greed

wessongroup - 9-23-2009 at 08:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by k-rico
Wessongroup said:

"Well, enough rambling on the subject... but, I do think there is an "orchestrated media message" constanting being put out.... don't go to Mexico!!."

I don't know if the message is orchestrated. I tend to think that many Americans actually take delight in the troubles of Mexico. It lessens the quiet desperation of their daily existence to know that others have more significant problems.

Shadenfreude is the word. It's a concept that I've just recently become aware of although it is an idea first warned of in the Old Testament.

[Edited on 9-23-2009 by k-rico]


No disaggrement on the poor state of the human condition and it's thinking... and it will not be getting better anytime soon..

Just woundering where all the money to pay for the 8 light years of debit that has just been rung up is going to come from... we are losing the middle class to retirement...and they are the ones that will have money.

Not sure where the replacement jobs for the 6 million that lost them is coming from.

Where could one move to and live really pretty good on $35,000 per year? On the same land mass and close to the United States at the same time?

When I see Shari's old man out there getting a line wet, catching dinner.... man oh man, where else...

Seems like Mexico maybe a focus of many, many Amerian's in the near future:):)

arrowhead - 9-23-2009 at 08:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by wessongroup
Where could one move to and live really pretty good on $35,000 per year? On the same land mass and close to the United States at the same time?


Phoenix. Seems that is where all the Canadians retire to and they are poorer than Americans.

k-rico - 9-23-2009 at 08:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by wessongroup
Quote:
Originally posted by k-rico
Wessongroup said:

"Well, enough rambling on the subject... but, I do think there is an "orchestrated media message" constanting being put out.... don't go to Mexico!!."

I don't know if the message is orchestrated. I tend to think that many Americans actually take delight in the troubles of Mexico. It lessens the quiet desperation of their daily existence to know that others have more significant problems.

Shadenfreude is the word. It's a concept that I've just recently become aware of although it is an idea first warned of in the Old Testament.

[Edited on 9-23-2009 by k-rico]


No disaggrement on the poor state of the human condition and it's thinking... and it will not be getting better anytime soon..

Just woundering where all the money to pay for the 8 light years of debit that has just been rung up is going to come from... we are losing the middle class to retirement...and they are the ones that will have money.

Not sure where the replacement jobs for the 6 million that lost them is coming from.

Where could one move to and live really pretty good on $35,000 per year? On the same land mass and close to the United States at the same time?

When I see Shari's old man out there getting a line wet, catching dinner.... man oh man, where else...

Seems like Mexico maybe a focus of many, many Amerian's in the near future:):)


:bounce:

BajaGringo - 9-23-2009 at 08:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by arrowhead
One of the vans in line was reported stolen in San Diego last month. The automatic license plate readers would have flagged it as stolen in the computer, no matter who was at the booth. How would a "bribed" CBP officer explain away passing a stolen vehicle? It would have been an automatic bust for him or her.


That would only be true if the coyote wasn't smart enough to have changed the license plate to one that would not have flagged. Discovering that the vehicle was stolen could have happened after the fact when they looked at the VIN.

BajaGringo - 9-23-2009 at 08:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by arrowhead
Quote:
Originally posted by wessongroup
Where could one move to and live really pretty good on $35,000 per year? On the same land mass and close to the United States at the same time?


Phoenix. Seems that is where all the Canadians retire to and they are poorer than Americans.


You are so right. And I hear the surfing, diving and tuna fishing is awesome in Arizona!

:lol:

capt. mike - 9-23-2009 at 08:40 AM

"Phoenix. Seems that is where all the Canadians retire to and they are poorer than Americans. "



not the ones I know. Muy Rico. They are buying everything up.

Martyman - 9-23-2009 at 08:59 AM

Sure are some paranoid thoughts here. Yipes.. look out for Y2K. Everything is a conspiracy:rolleyes:

wessongroup - 9-23-2009 at 09:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaGringo
Quote:
Originally posted by arrowhead
Quote:
Originally posted by wessongroup
Where could one move to and live really pretty good on $35,000 per year? On the same land mass and close to the United States at the same time?


Phoenix. Seems that is where all the Canadians retire to and they are poorer than Americans.


You are so right. And I hear the surfing, diving and tuna fishing is awesome in Arizona!

:lol:
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Mexicorn - 9-23-2009 at 09:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid


Yet, an early report appears today to be sure we don't miss it, from Mexicorn, a "new member" poster who also happens to be monitoring the police scanner and posting here on BN?

What are the chances of all of this happening? And a report is immediately processed by the local paper? Slim chance. Who are Dana Littlefield and freelance journalist Omar Millán González?


Do you Nomads think it is odd?


I think the black Ops are in full effect- I saw it on television Comandante Marcos-:?:

Mexicorn - 9-23-2009 at 09:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
There are no theories presented, I noted that the series of events are unlikely, which is true by anyone's account, I note the role of Mexicorn and predict ta follow-up from Arrowhead with distractions and personal attacks while this would be uncharacteristic from someone who is educated as the writing reveals.

The pattern of the media story, the method of reporting and the follow-through is predictable, that is the obvious point, no conclusions have been made.

As has been shown, this pattern is the textbook approach of Mass Communications Specialists who are hope to sway politics.

Look at the events from a historical perspective and from a eye on arrowhead for propaganda technique.




Geez! and I thought Dennis was a nutbag....
Dude see a shrink get you hand on some psych meds...
Oh! and by all means dont storm the border with your sheepskin in hand!

arrowhead - 9-23-2009 at 10:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaGringo
You are so right. And I hear the surfing, diving and tuna fishing is awesome in Arizona!


Good point Ron. I suppose people who are looking for a cheap place to retire when their social security kicks in at age 66 have surfing and diving as the number 1 and 2 priorities on their list. :rolleyes:

I often wonder if you ever engage your brain in gear before you post one of your snappy retorts.

arrowhead - 9-23-2009 at 10:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
What I don't like about the story, is there is not yet a good emotional back story, such as these were people seeking freedom or political asylum, or perhaps a story about a family that needed US health care because the emergency rooms do not turn away immigrants.


Speaking of that possibility, how about this editorial:

"Turnabout Not Fair Play—Gringos Don’t Get Free Medical Care In Mexico"

How's that for a hijack? I'm learning the ropes from the best here.

Border security

wessongroup - 9-23-2009 at 10:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mexicorn
Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid


Yet, an early report appears today to be sure we don't miss it, from Mexicorn, a "new member" poster who also happens to be monitoring the police scanner and posting here on BN?

What are the chances of all of this happening? And a report is immediately processed by the local paper? Slim chance. Who are Dana Littlefield and freelance journalist Omar Millán González?


Do you Nomads think it is odd?


I think the black Ops are in full effect- I saw it on television Comandante Marcos-:?:


Can't say any about all the other, but when we drove over to the SENTRI pass station in Calexico, I saw between 6-8 Highway Patrol cars, Crown Vic's, 4 Ford Expeditions also Highway Patrol. An added checkpoint at just before you drop down to the desert, with at least 15 personal present. Plus four sites off the Hwy, which had INS SUV's. Also saw for the first time the "fence" which has been built approximately 1-3 miles south and parallels Hwy 8. I forgot to mark them on my GPS, but would guess the visible fence from the Hwy to be 3-4 miles in length.

It's been a long while since I drove from SD to El Centro, but the changes were to me quite significant.

Appeared to be as close to a military op as the State of California and the Federal Government could make it..:lol::lol::lol:

Mexicorn - 9-23-2009 at 12:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
Quote:
Originally posted by Mexicorn
Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
There are no theories presented, I noted that the series of events are unlikely, which is true by anyone's account, I note the role of Mexicorn and predict ta follow-up from Arrowhead with distractions and personal attacks while this would be uncharacteristic from someone who is educated as the writing reveals.

The pattern of the media story, the method of reporting and the follow-through is predictable, that is the obvious point, no conclusions have been made.

As has been shown, this pattern is the textbook approach of Mass Communications Specialists who are hope to sway politics.

Look at the events from a historical perspective and from a eye on arrowhead for propaganda technique.




Geez! and I thought Dennis was a nutbag....
Dude see a shrink get you hand on some psych meds...
Oh! and by all means dont storm the border with your sheepskin in hand!


Isn't ironic that 'the team' attack reasonable skeptics, with the idea we need a psychiatrist for those who ask questions or who raise skepticism, no skepticism shall be tolerated is their message.

What is ironic to me, is that Sigmund Freud is the father of behavioral psychology and his nephew, Edward Bernays is the father of propaganda, whose techniques have been used extensively to destabilize politics and play upon people's irrational fears.

You may be interested in Sigmund Freud's and Edward Benays' significant role in overthrowing the Banana Republics and practically all political action. The human psyche is the center of the political will which must be led along.

The Century of the Self is a important movie about Bernays and his impact on on how politics and actions play upon our fears to manipulate the masses.



Translation:

Oh do let me hornswaggle you retards with my quick witt.
Your all a bunch of Homer Simpsons and I'm so smart!
Just look at me blather on....

bajaguy - 9-23-2009 at 01:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
...........The question I asked about this post, which is improperly titled as shootout which is totally false, was, do any Nomads think it appears odd?..............






You MAY be right about the title, gnu.........in my 21 years in the military and 34 in law enforcement, I would call it
"Defensive Suppresive Fire".............but I'm sure that wouldn't have the sales appeal as "Shootout"

Barry A. - 9-23-2009 at 01:07 PM

As Ken Fisher of KEN FISHER INVESTMENTS says over and over again, everybody is operating with "a stone-age brain", and we often react accordingly.

Seems appropriate observbation to me----------------:biggrin:

Barry

Martyman - 9-23-2009 at 01:35 PM

I actually do have therapy this afternoon. Can't wait.

Cypress - 9-23-2009 at 01:40 PM

gnukid, " if well informed" ! Who's gonna inform us? Just depends upon what station you're tuned into.:mad:

In a perfect world

wessongroup - 9-23-2009 at 01:40 PM

No disaggrement with the statement

"Who will govern the governors?" There is only one force in the nation that can be depended upon to keep the government pure and the governors honest, and that is the people themselves. They alone, if well informed, are capable of preventing the corruption of power, and of restoring the nation to its rightful course if it should go astray. They alone are the safest depository of the ultimate powers of government."

Would you mean "American Idol" ?:lol::lol:

arrowhead - 9-23-2009 at 02:07 PM



I don't care if you keep having this picture deleted, Paul. You are one mixed up person.

One month

wessongroup - 9-23-2009 at 02:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
As a point of reference let's come back to this story in months to come, (if anyone remembers) I predict there will be no Mexicans proven guilty of any crime. Just as the case of the Trolley Car arrests in SD where many were arrested and none found guilty, or the airport searches which was also highly promoted to incite fear, no smugglers or contraband were found. Those stories are produced for their meme not their ability to reduce actual illegal immigration and contraband.

And, if I may point early on, as this story was reported here, I predicted the steps and style of posts which would follow from Arrowhead and Mexitron and I was spot on. And they continue with support from many here.

Perhaps we can accept that there is and has been a broad and well funded media machine across media and militias that promotes memes to manipulate politics. Certainly, today there is a strong and well funded force to discourage rational thought and skepticism as "insanity", even 'psychology today' jumped-the-shark with an article to claim people who question official conspiracy theories are delusional. Note the meme: skepticism = insanity. These Orwellian manipulations of words are minor examples of Big Lie, for example, the peace keeper weapon, or carbon credit, and in this case shootout = using cars as weapons.


Good take, things always look a little different over a short period of time... in some cases..:lol::lol::lol:

You guys are better than my Law and Order, many thanks... great topics and great input from all.. Oh, is dueling allowed in Mexico?

The Gull - 9-23-2009 at 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico
I tend to think that many Americans actually take delight in the troubles of Mexico and therefore eagerly buy newspapers and watch news shows headlining the problems. It lessens the quiet desperation of their daily existence to know that others have more significant problems.



So true.

An Open Request to Gnukid

Gypsy Jan - 9-23-2009 at 02:36 PM

Please, if you want people to read and absorb/understand your assertions, DO NOT USE ALL CAPS!

Also, please re-read and edit your polemics before posting. "Hay una cacha in mi cabeza" after trying to figure out your position and the logic involved.

[Edited on 9-23-2009 by Gypsy Jan]

paul r - 9-23-2009 at 08:34 PM

...hi gang, ... we were there!, it's funnny reading all the gobbly gupp, because when the bullets were "ringing" we dropped as low as we could and "held on"!!!... traveing south about 3:30 or so we ( left hand lane) heard and saw the "fun" happening and let me tell you, EVERYONE paniced! When your in the "war zone" these "natural" instincts rise to the occassion!... I could go on and on but, I"ll let the "experts "mold the story... for us though,... we'll have yes, TWO more pacificos please... party on flockers... love...

DENNIS - 9-23-2009 at 08:54 PM

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Originally posted by paul r
heard and saw the "fun" happening and let me tell you, EVERYONE paniced! When your in the "war zone" these "natural" instincts rise to the occassion!...



Love to have seen the chaos of the moment, Paul. Had to be a laugh seeing everybody goosing the gas pedal in a panic sort of way, just like bumper cars. Must have been a hoot.

By the way, Paul..........Panic in a war zone is lethal. Gotta keep your wits about you. No sense in not knowing why your life just came to an end.

bajaguy - 9-23-2009 at 08:58 PM

Might have been a good time to cross southbound. Wonder what the guy sitting in his perch at the Mexico gates did???

DENNIS - 9-23-2009 at 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
Might have been a good time to cross southbound. Wonder what the guy sitting in his perch at the Mexico gates did???


Probably dove for cover. That's what I'd have done.


Is "dove" a word in this context? Maybe "dived"? I don'no.

[Edited on 9-24-2009 by DENNIS]

Dennis, Your Choice

Gypsy Jan - 9-24-2009 at 01:04 AM

Dived or dove, leaped, or leapt, chitted or shat*

[Edited on 9-24-2009 by Gypsy Jan]

*Edited after checking Merriam Webster.

[Edited on 9-24-2009 by Gypsy Jan]

Mexicorn - 9-24-2009 at 09:46 AM

Good Morning Dennis did you have a nice birthday. I see those extremists at SDMM are jumping all over the shootout story.
I think the heat in Campo must be getting Field Marshall Jeff and company of the third Riecht.

[Edited on 9-24-2009 by Mexicorn]

DENNIS - 9-24-2009 at 05:55 PM

A follow up article from today:

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/sep/24/shooting-...

Woooosh - 9-24-2009 at 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
A follow up article from today:

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/sep/24/shooting-...


A juvenile was driving one of the vans.

Apparently they have too many agents on the Mexican border now- so they are moving 384 agents north to the Canadian border. wtf ??

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/54514

DENNIS - 9-24-2009 at 06:07 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh

Apparently they have too many agents on the Mexican border now- so they are moving 384 agents north to the Canadian border. wtf ??



Gawd...who knows? All of the optimism and hope I had from last November is slowly dwindling away.

k-rico - 9-24-2009 at 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh

Apparently they have too many agents on the Mexican border now- so they are moving 384 agents north to the Canadian border. wtf ??



Gawd...who knows? All of the optimism and hope I had from last November is slowly dwindling away.


a 2.2% reduction

The ultimate Mexican chutzpah

arrowhead - 9-24-2009 at 07:26 PM

This article in today's AFN is infuriating. I can't tell if the insulting part was written by some burrohat reporter or is the official Mexican position on the events. I'd like to hope that it was just some reporter pandering to his readers. Here is the first paragraph of the article in Spanish, followed by my translation:


Quote:

TIJUANA BC 24 DE SEPTIEMBRE DE 2009 (AFN).- El gobierno mexicano, a través de su Consulado General en San Diego, defenderá y representará a los mexicanos que se vieron involucrados en los hechos ocurridos en la garita de San Ysidro, cuando presumiblemente eran internados de manera ilegal varios nacionales, lo cual desembocó con una balacera que dejó a tres heridos de bala y a uno más por choque...


...and here is my translation:


Quote:

TIJUANA BC 24 SEPTEMBER 2009 (AFN) .- The Mexican government through its Consulate General in San Diego, will defend and represent those Mexicans who were involved in the events at the San Ysidro border crossing, where presumably several Mexican citizens were illegally detained, which led to a shootout that left three with bullet wounds and one more injured due to a vehicle crash...


http://afntijuana.info/blog/?p=18339

By the way, the final tally was: a total of 78 persons: 58 men, 15 women and 5 children, traveling in three vehicles. So far 70 have been interviewed, confirming that all are Mexicans.

Where's the change?

Dianamo - 9-24-2009 at 07:27 PM

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Quote:


Gawd...who knows? All of the optimism and hope I had from last November is slowly dwindling away.


I agree with you Dennis, I'm still hoping for the change, but with a lot less confidence. I would like a bumper sticker that says "Hey, Obama, Where's the change?"

Baja&Back - 9-24-2009 at 09:30 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
Apparently they have too many agents on the Mexican border now- so they are moving 384 agents north to the Canadian border. wtf ??



Oh, Great, 380 more to drink coffee & 4 more to man the booths. Still a 2 hour wait up here. Just as bad as San Ysidro.
:fire:

Woooosh - 9-24-2009 at 09:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Baja&Back
Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
Apparently they have too many agents on the Mexican border now- so they are moving 384 agents north to the Canadian border. wtf ??



Oh, Great, 380 more to drink coffee & 4 more to man the booths. Still a 2 hour wait up here. Just as bad as San Ysidro.
:fire:

They'll be trading tamales for beaver tails, but they'll really live like kings up there compared to San Diegos cost of living (if any agents are being moved from therel). Phoenix would be a wash.

Bajajorge - 9-25-2009 at 08:58 AM

Black helicopters, black pajamas, government plot?:o:o:o I thought only our last Pres did stuff like that? This according to our new Pres.:barf: