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FISHING IN ZANE GREY'S SHADOW - OREGON-MONTANA

Pompano - 9-26-2009 at 09:05 PM

Truly one of my favorite places on earth, Oregon's nearly 363 miles of pristine, public coastline is made up of diverse terrain that changes from rugged cliffs to evergreen forests to Sahara-like dunes and boundless sandy beaches. From Astoria in the north to Brookings in the southern tip, I have followed this shoreline as my chosen route from Up North to Baja..and many times reversed the direction ... Baja to Up North. I made my first Oregon Coast trip in 1973 after returning from Baja and it has become a yearly event we look forward to with great anticipation. Never boring, one is treated to a virtual smorgasbord of one-of-a-kind attractions, including scores of quaint towns with a penchant for serving up legendary seafood, (including a fellow Nomad's cafe in Newport..Sharks!)..plus historic lighthouses, breathtaking viewpoints, stunning state parks, a cornucopia of galleries and museums and a world class aquarium. Mild temperatures, dramatic scenery and a wide range of recreational activities.

Fishing & photogrqaphy are main concerns of mine anywhere I travel and this coastline certainly offers that! Here follows some photos of our September salmon trip on the Umpqua River at Reedsport, just north of Winchester Bay on the Oregon Coast. Interrupted to make a couple of quick trips to Mulege with some flood relief supplies. I hope you enjoy the photos.

Winchester Bay early morning fog. A delightful seaside village full of fishy things...my kind of place..

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We have fished this great salmon river 5 years running in August and September. We've done very well each time and you can bet I will be there again next season. I can't imagine a better spot for your RV than Coho RV Resort in Reedsport. Launch your boat, motor into your slip at the park marina, and walk back and forth to your campsite. Anyone who has had to launch and retrieve your boat every day knows the benefits of having a boat slip closeby.
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Even your less steady fishing amigos can navigate these sturdy docks and walkways.
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Of course no fishing trip is complete until we unleash these fishpointers.
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You can easily fish any way you want, but I recommend using the packaged 'BLUE' brand name herring as these are the right size (about 5 inchers). After finding the perfect size, pack them in rock salt to make em hard..stay on the hook longer and better. When ready to rig your bait snell, you use this handy herring cutting guage which makes just the right angle cut..just behind the gills. One slice, and feed the heads to the gulls. The angled cut makes the cut bait spin just right. Using a double hook snell, hook the lower hook once through the upper cavity, down the length of the bait to exit near the tail, the top hook is just down the body cavity and up thru the backbone out the back. You use about a 2oz. drop sinker above the snell about 4 feet. We usually fish in about 19 - 30 feet. Drop the bait/sinker to the bottom while slowly trolling downstream..or with the tide. Feeling the bottom, give it a little bit more and set the drag lightly. Stand by for that king to smack it...or the silver. Of course, fishing lures are productive, too, and we caught many with a weighted salmon-egg colored spinner. Caught the biggest king on one of those. Kings are fair game, while you must release all but the farmed silver..no wild silvers may be taken. Look for the small fin on the back....the adipose fin. If it is there, you have a wild silver (coho), if not, you have a legal salmon, a fin-clipped hatchery fish. Enjoy.
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You must thoroughly inspect each fish caught and release as needed. This is a tense business!..with many wilds released in the course of a day.
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Soon you will catch some legal ones and bring them to the ablest netter in the boat. Selecting a good netter is key to a successful salmon trip.
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Just a leettle closer now...OKAY...Scoop him now!
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SUCCESS....great netting job. This was my personal best of the day. Recipe to follow..
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Fishing the Umpqua..or any salmon river..is more than just the fishing or the fish. It's about being on the water with great companions and enjoying nature together, too.

This blacktail doe and fawn came down to the riverback to critique our fishing prowness. The fawn seemed to get a kick out of our antics.
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A white egret sits patiently awaiting it's breakfast from below his perch.
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Cormorants roosting in these pines for many decades have completely denuded them...a stark reminder to not stand underneath cormorant roosts!
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Fall leaves are coming...all too quickly it seems, but welcome nevertheless. My favorite season...Autumn
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Along with one of mine, mi amigo, RANDY, caught this fine king on a trolled red spinner. There were many afternoon tide changes where we would just cast to the rising silvers. Mostly all catch-and-release.
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Back at the marina we take advantage of the handy filleting station. Here Two Dogs does the honors for that evening's dinner.
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And the place of honor ...fresh grilled salmon steaks....damn good...mmmmmmmmm, I can still taste them. (Do they look good or what, eh shari?)
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Brown sugar, butter,crushed garlic,soy sauce....melt toShari and other fish lovers, here a great salmon baste recipe from Lisa, Two Dogs esposa.. Brown sugar, butter,crushed garlic,soy sauce....melt together, cool a bit and brush on salmon Hands down...these fillets were my best salmon dinner of my life.
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And not to go hungry..we also had a huge serving of fresh Umpqua oysters! The ones made in the cast iron pan were the best in the west...and the other pan was no slouch either. What a meal we had. Plus I topped it off with a fresh marionberry pie ala mode.....it was not a dieters dinner. I'll be jogging for a month or two!
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!! ALL IN ALL, THIS WAS ONE HELLUVA GOOD TIME.





[Edited on 10-4-2009 by Pompano]

Reeljob - 9-27-2009 at 07:04 AM

OUTSTANDING! Born and raised fishing the OR coast with my Dad and G'pa. G'pa liked Winchester bay (over the bar in a 14' alum. boat) Dad liked Newport & the rocks at Boiler bay.

Makes me get out the calendar and plan a trip next summer.

Loretana - 9-27-2009 at 09:30 AM

A delightful post, Pompano.

It's home sweet home to me.

But I am also amazed by the number of Oregonians who find their second "home sweet home" in Baja!

Andale, pues!!

LancairDriver - 9-27-2009 at 11:09 AM

Having a Casa on the banks of the So. Oregon coast's Sixes River between Winchester Bay where Pompano is fishing, and Brookings, I can identify with all he is reporting about the Oregon coast. I have had a first hand view for the past decade and a half of the Salmon's annual runs and spawning habits. The Salmon is certainly one of the worlds most resilient species, resisting all man has done to impede it's life cycle. They have even been observed trying to go through small diameter culverts to reach their original spawning grounds that have been blocked by development. As good as the fishing can seem to be now, one can only imagine what the fishing was like during Zanes Grey's era. Some of the old timers around here talk of "pitch forking" salmon that were so thick in their spawning runs you could literally walk across the rivers on them. The logging, commercial by catch, and other habitat destroying that has gone on, especially in the last ten years has taken a large toll on the fish and it shows in the restrictions that have been put on fishing here in the last few years. Normally at this time of year I would be sport fishing in the ocean for Chinook, but the ocean has been closed for wild Chinook the past two years even at a one fish limit. I would love to invite Pompano out to fish the Ocean but he is doing much better on the Umpqua river, and I would be embarassed. Is this beginning to sound like the situation on the Sea of Cortez? We have great law enforcement on the sport fishers but the commercial net draggers are virtually immune. We need to find a way to preserve what we have for future generations.
Maybe Skeet could weigh in with a more optimistic view?

Nice photos.

BMG - 9-27-2009 at 12:53 PM

Speaking of Zane Grey, we stopped by his old cabin while on a rafting trip down the Rogue River.


Diver - 9-27-2009 at 02:26 PM

Haven't been able to chase salmon this year but we just bought 6 from the local "native americans" that are smoking away in the Big Chief as we speak !!

Mmm good !! :biggrin:


Valley of the Rogue State Park campground is a nice stop on the way south/north with free wifi !!

Skipjack Joe - 9-29-2009 at 12:43 AM

Have you seen this one, Roger?

It's always been one of my favorites.

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Skipjack Joe - 9-29-2009 at 12:52 AM

I've always seen the man with that grey mane.

Today I stumbled across this: how he looked before he started writing.

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Bravo Igor!

Pompano - 9-29-2009 at 02:45 PM

I had indeed seen those photos before, but your post prompted me to research futher. Many thanks for getting me to find these new photos and interesting facts about one of my greatest childhood heros..Zane Grey. What an inspiration he was for me and my childhood friends.

His hardscrabble books perfectly described the mythical events of the Old Wild West for us young wranglers..and I grew up in the actual old west, although not quite THAT long ago!

And then there was the fishing! Ah...the stuff of legends.

Hah..when I was a tadpole getting ready for camping trips, I would stuff my pantlegs into my weathered little boots and pull my heavy gray woolen socks up over the legs..put on my plaid woolen shirt and tuck it in..buckle my belt....just like Zane Grey in the photos.

My Dad would come upstairs to my room, never smile (but today I know he was smiling inside) and say,

"Okay, Zane, let's get going. Don't forget that hat."
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How I wished I could have been a rower and angler on the Rogue River of Zane Grey.
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THE MIGHTY ROGUE
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In 1925, he commissioned three dories for a fishing expedition down the lower Rogue River. Grey loved the Oregon wilderness so much that he purchased land on the river’s banks, built a cabin, and wrote a book there, Rogue River Feud, published in 1929.
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“… the sight of this long deep boat, sharp fore and aft, with its beautiful lines and its strong frame, brought that old forgotten joy surging back.”.

Zane Grey rowing one of the three dories that he had made for his 1925 trip down the lower Rogue.
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Following are images from the 1925 expedition and quotes from Zane Grey’s ode to the wild Rogue.
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Famous western author Zane Grey shoots the Rogue River Rapids at Lower Black Bar during a 1925 fishing excursion. He later memorialized the Oregon wilderness in his novel Rogue River Feud.
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“It was a river at its birth; and it glided away through the Oregon forest, with hurrying momentum, as if eager to begin the long leap down through the Siskiyous. The giant firs shaded it; the deer drank from it; the little black-backed trout rose greedily to floating floes.” —from Rogue River Feud
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Although Zane Grey is pictured here (twice) with salmon, and although he was an accomplished fisherman, according to family lore he never actually caught a fish on the Rogue, says his great-grandson Eric Grey.
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Pictured: Zane Grey poses with a local miner.

“He had a leathery, weather-beaten face, homely and hard, unshaven and dirty, yet despite these features and the unmistakable imprint of the bottle, somehow far from revolting. Perhaps that was due to the large, wide-open, questioning blue eyes."
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In September 1926, Zane Grey built a rustic cabin on the site with the help of local river guide Claude Bardon. It took the men three months to build the one-room log cabin, using timber from the property. Zane Grey’s cabin was built the same way that old miners had built their cabins for hundreds of years.

“And the river glided on in an endless solitude, its eternal song, low and musical, near at hand, droning sweet melody from the rapid at the bend, and filling the distant drowsy aire with its soft thunder.”
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Pictured: Zane Grey (left) and family at the Winkle Bar cabin
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Zane Grey’s rustic cabin at Winkle Bar is still standing today. The site is about half a day’s hike and nearly a day’s float from the put-in at Grave Creek, and visitors are welcome. I took a mail boat there twice.. humble and seeking inspirational thought...and it came. Bring cold beer!
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Some things I had forgotten until reading them again: Grey had built a getaway home in Avalon, Catalina Island, which now serves as the Zane Grey Pueblo Hotel, . Avid fisherman as he was, he served as president of the Catalina's exclusive fishing club, the Tuna Club. As a coincidence, the same club that an old friend belonged to, who had sold me his Baja house so many years ago. I still have his membership plaque as a keepsake in the casa after more than 40 years now.

I've kept all my original books and memorabilia...and if anyone has this book, I would love to add it to my bookcase..."Tales of Fresh Water Fishing"..a non-fiction work.

Zane Grey's saltwater adventures are well known..such as the times he had on this boat out of Miami.
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Looks a little familar..

My Gawd, holding this monster all day would wear me out...well, after a few hours of fun anyway.



Yes, even Australia was his fishing grounds..and downunder poses with these two cuties.



SALUD ZANE...LIVE LONG..LIVE WELL.

Phil S - 9-29-2009 at 08:33 PM

I have a 61 volume set of Zane Grays works. Had them for years. One of those "got to read these one of these days" projects. Just can't seem to get away from the Patterson & Ludlum authors works. Anyone know if there were more than 61 books that he's written. One of them is his biography. I think the printing date was sometime in the mid 60's. Most a in mint condition. So they are among my prize possessions. More so since dad would talk about those times he'd meet up with him on his favorite Steamboat rock on the North Umpqua River. Fly fishing here only I mightf add.


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Iflyfish - 9-29-2009 at 10:38 PM

There are few places nicer than Oregon during the spring and summer. Thanks for sharing these great pics of your fishing on the wonderful Oregon Coast.

Iflyfish

Skipjack Joe - 9-29-2009 at 11:51 PM

Thanks for reminding me about Winkler Bar, Roger. There's a 40 mile trail that follows the river through the wilderness area, which I hiked long ago. It's been 30 years now. What stands out most however were the black bears. They would feed on the salmon carcasses along the riverbank. I specifically remember sitting on an overlook one evening and watching a bear swim across the Rogue to my side and later swim back to the opposite bank. The water parted leaving a wake whose edge was outlined by the fading light. It was a tranquil scene that has stayed with me.

I feel that picture of Grey rowing captures the spirit of the American Outdoorsman as best as anything I've come across. There's a sense of manly ruggedness in a setting of spiritual beauty. A land to be conquered and worshipped at the same time. Being an outdoorsman has changed over the years. The gortex clothing and hi tech materials are everywhere now, from kayaks to ATV's. But it's the outdoorsmen of my father's generation that I still admire most and feel the greatest bond.

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Iflyfish - 9-30-2009 at 11:13 AM

If you ever get a chance to drift the Rogue you might enjoy a stay at the Paradise Lodge. Access to this great historic lodge is either by either drift down the Rogue or via the Mailboat from Gold Beach. Well worth the trip. http://www.paradise-lodge.com/gallery.htm

Iflyfish

Cypress - 9-30-2009 at 12:24 PM

Yea, Oregon is a fantastic state! All the way from the Pacific to the Snake with the Columbia thrown in for free and lots of wild country in between. The high desert down in southeast Oregon is sorta rough.;D

Phil S - 9-30-2009 at 01:56 PM

Cypress. Are you referring to the Steens Mts in s.w. Oregon? Spent some time in that area couple years ago. Friend from here has a 15,000 acre cattle ranch, and they invited us over to see it. Their running over 800 'head of cattle on it, plus several thousand acres of gov't leased land that abutts it. Currently has it listed with Cabela's Real Estate offices, and has gotten two very interested potential buyers. So looks like we won't be returning next year to spend couple weeks there, exploring. Dang

Cypress - 9-30-2009 at 02:18 PM

Phil S, Yea, That's some tuff country. Wish you and your friend luck. You'll both be missing it.

Cypress - 9-30-2009 at 02:46 PM

Phil S. That would be southeast Oregon. Frenchglen and Blitzen country.

I daresay that for a lot of us, Zane Grey was/is..good for us.

Pompano - 9-30-2009 at 07:37 PM


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Most of these books I had..and have..and they kept me reading late into many a night with coyotes yipping out in the breaks. There were a few other authors that could capture a kid's imagination though....My childhood buddy, Randy, and I built a kinda-raft and floated the Little Missouri River after reading this one:

"We said there warn't no home like a raft, after all. Other places do seem so cramped up and smothery, but a raft don't. You feel mighty free and easy and comfortable on a raft.

We catched fish and talked, and we took a swim now and then to keep off sleepiness. It was kind of solemn, drifting down the big, still river, laying on our backs looking up at the stars, and we didn't ever feel like talking loud, and it warn't often that we laughed—only a little kind of a low chuckle. We had mighty good weather as a general thing, and nothing ever happened to us at all—that night, nor the next, nor the next."[b/]

(Huck and Jim, Chapter 18.)


I kinda think Huck and Tom would have loved the Umpqua and the Rogue, too.
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Phil S - 10-1-2009 at 09:49 AM

Roger. They might have a more exciting time for sure, if they were on their 'home made' raft. Not the same as the Mississippi as it lazily coasts along.

Skipjack Joe - 10-1-2009 at 12:54 PM

I am not sure if 'Huck Finn' is now banned reading at the California school system, but it certainly is not recommended.

It was 10th grade required reading when I grew up. It was considered the best truly American novel ever written. But now, because of the "n" word kids are discouraged from reading it.

I had my kid read it anyway.

Pompano - 10-1-2009 at 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
I am not sure if 'Huck Finn' is now banned reading at the California school system, but it certainly is not recommended.

It was 10th grade required reading when I grew up. It was considered the best truly American novel ever written. But now, because of the "n" word kids are discouraged from reading it.

I had my kid read it anyway.


Tell me about it, Igor. My nephews, nieces, plus the sons & daughters of my friends all are faced with the same dilemna. Thank God they have the moral fiber and strength to overcome our bungled school systems.

Today's schoolbook blacklist reminds one of pre-WWII Germany and the bookburnings. Or the movie Fahrenheit 451. I am amazed by the craziness that started this trend and sheild my family from it at all costs.

Fortunately most of us here had parents who parented...like you are doing with your son. Thanks be to God, I have most of the books that I grew up with and collected in college..some have become gifts to the kids to pass on to thiers.. as they all will be passed on some day.

Here's a sobering thought for you. I wonder how many of these works I list below are now considered 'off limits' to our children...and why? '1984' seems to be now.


_________ Beowulf
Achebe, Chinua -Things Fall Apart
Agee, James -A Death in the Family
Austen, Jane -Pride and Prejudice
Baldwin, James -Go Tell It on the Mountain
Beckett, Samuel -Waiting for Godot
Bellow, Saul -The Adventures of Augie March
Brontë, Charlotte -Jane Eyre
Brontë, Emily -Wuthering Heights
Camus, Albert -The Stranger
Cather, Willa -Death Comes for the Archbishop
Chaucer, Geoffrey -The Canterbury Tales
Chekhov, Anton -The Cherry Orchard
Chopin, Kate -The Awakening
Conrad, Joseph -Heart of Darkness
Cooper, James Fenimore -The Last of the Mohicans
Crane, Stephen -The Red Badge of Courage
Dante -Inferno
de Cervantes, Miguel -Don Quixote
Defoe, Daniel -Robinson Crusoe
Dickens, Charles -A Tale of Two Cities
Dostoyevsky, Fyodor -Crime and Punishment
Douglass, Frederick -Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass
Dreiser, Theodore -An American Tragedy
Dumas, Alexandre -The Three Musketeers
Eliot, George -The Mill on the Floss
Ellison, Ralph -Invisible Man
Emerson, Ralph Waldo -Selected Essays
Faulkner, William -As I Lay Dying
Faulkner, William -The Sound and the Fury
Fielding, Henry -Tom Jones
Fitzgerald, F. Scott -The Great Gatsby
Flaubert, Gustave -Madame Bovary
Ford, Ford Madox -The Good Soldier
Goethe, Johann Wolfgang von -Faust
Golding, William -Lord of the Flies
Hardy, Thomas -Tess of the d'Urbervilles
Hawthorne, Nathaniel -The Scarlet Letter
Heller, Joseph -Catch 22
Hemingway, Ernest -A Farewell to Arms
Homer -The Iliad
Homer -The Odyssey
Hugo, Victor -The Hunchback of Notre Dame
Hurston, Zora Neale -Their Eyes Were Watching God
Huxley, Aldous -Brave New World
Ibsen, Henrik -A Doll's House
James, Henry -The Portrait of a Lady
James, Henry -The Turn of the Screw
Joyce, James -A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man
Kafka, Franz -The Metamorphosis
Kingston, Maxine Hong -The Woman Warrior
Lee, Harper -To Kill a Mockingbird
Lewis, Sinclair -Babbitt
London, Jack -The Call of the Wild
Mann, Thomas -The Magic Mountain
Marquez, Gabriel García -One Hundred Years of Solitude
Melville, Herman -Bartleby the Scrivener
Melville, Herman -Moby Dick
Miller, Arthur -The Crucible
Morrison, Toni -Beloved
O'Connor, Flannery -A Good Man is Hard to Find
O'Neill, Eugene -Long Day's Journey into Night
Orwell, George -Animal Farm
Pasternak, Boris -Doctor Zhivago
Plath, Sylvia -The Bell Jar
Poe, Edgar Allan -Selected Tales
Proust, Marcel -Swann's Way
Pynchon, Thomas -The Crying of Lot 49
Remarque, Erich Maria -All Quiet on the Western Front
Rostand, Edmond -Cyrano de Bergerac
Roth, Henry -Call It Sleep
Salinger, J.D. -The Catcher in the Rye
Shakespeare, William -Hamlet
Shakespeare, William -Macbeth
Shakespeare, William -A Midsummer Night's Dream
Shakespeare, William -Romeo and Juliet
Shaw, George Bernard -Pygmalion
Shelley, Mary -Frankenstein
Silko, Leslie Marmon -Ceremony
Solzhenitsyn, Alexander -One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich
Sophocles -Antigone
Sophocles -Oedipus Rex
Steinbeck, John -The Grapes of Wrath
Stevenson, Robert Louis -Treasure Island
Stowe, Harriet Beecher -Uncle Tom's Cabin
Swift, Jonathan -Gulliver's Travels
Thackeray, William -Vanity Fair
Thoreau, Henry David -Walden
Tolstoy, Leo -War and Peace
Turgenev, Ivan -Fathers and Sons
Twain, Mark -The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
Voltaire -Candide
Vonnegut, Kurt Jr. -Slaughterhouse-Five
Walker, Alice -The Color Purple
Wharton, Edith -The House of Mirth
Welty, Eudora -Collected Stories
Whitman, Walt -Leaves of Grass
Wilde, Oscar -The Picture of Dorian Gray
Williams, Tennessee -The Glass Menagerie
Woolf, Virginia -To the Lighthouse
Wright, Richard -Native Son

I will not be giving up the ability to enjoy any of these up very quickly...believe me.

Don Alley - 10-1-2009 at 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by Pompano
I wonder how many of these works I list below are now considered 'off limits' to our children...and why? '1984' seems to be now.



So far, none are banned in Montana high schools, many are highly recommended and some are required. Some classes assigned Twain and I believe all students were assigned assigned To Kill A Mockingbird and watched the movie. And, being Montana, A River Runs Through It got the same treatment.

But schools are getting hacked with social/political/religious axes from all sides.

But the animal lovers are all over Hemingway now. Not a fashionable writer these days. Probably same goes for Grey.

So I won't repeat the first-hand stories an old time Rogue River angler told me about Zane. We'll leave him on his pedestal.:biggrin:

Hi Don

Pompano - 10-1-2009 at 06:05 PM

Having gone to a country grade school in Montana, I can attest to that fact also. We would read whatever was available...including a North Dakota newspaper. I only wish for the sake of our schoolchildren that other states were the same.

Pedastals are precarious places for anyone and notable for fatal accidents. I have heard stories of how certain fishermen of Baja yesteryear would s t r e t c h the truth a bit when writing thier acconts. Can you say Ray Cannon? One also hears the rumormill controversies concerning Lee Wulff in certain circles...but agan, circles are just that..circles. I can say with certainty that reading Zane Grey, Hemminway, Samuel Clemens, Thoreau, Whitman, and so many of those authors as a child gave me immense pleasure. 'Tis the reading and what you bring out of it that counts. As to the man...I like this quote:

"A cathedral, a wave of a storm, a dancer's leap, never turn out to be as high as we had hoped."

In the end, it is up to you to pick the wheat from the chaff. Thank Odin those classics are here for us to harvest.








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Hemmingway 'fishing' in Havana

Pompano - 10-1-2009 at 06:09 PM

With a Tommy gun. ;)






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Don Alley - 10-1-2009 at 08:55 PM

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With a Tommy gun. ;)

[Edited on 10-2-2009 by Pompano]


Looks like he's at least waiting for the fish to jump.:lol:

Pompano - 10-1-2009 at 10:19 PM

He was leveling on flying fish. :lol:

On Grey and Hemingway

Skipjack Joe - 10-1-2009 at 10:51 PM

I had read somewhere that Grey admired Hemingway's prose and came up with the idea that they would travel together, Grey fishing and Hemingway writing an account of each adventure. Can you imagine such a proposal? Needless to say Ernest didn't find it very appealing.

One other thing:
There are some things, though, I think the schools got right. For example, kids from my generation were introduced to Steinbeck through "The Pearl", "The Red Pony", and "Tortilla Flat". I wondered why "Cannery Row" was off the list until we read it recently. The characters of "Flo" and the house she ran in Pacific Grove was deemed inappropriate to our young minds. We no longer get squeemish about that. And "Cannery Row" was way better than the rest of those books.

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Phil S - 10-3-2009 at 08:08 AM

Ahhhhh. Speaking of Montana reminds me of discovering Tiber Res. north of Great Falls just east of Shelby, Montana back in the mid 50's. while stationed at Malmstrom AFB. (you know "join the AF and see the world".) yeah, right. 3 years in Great Falls Montana.???????? Not much to do on weekends, but go fishing!!!!!! Roger. You fish this lake in the old days? Another memory. Fishing downstream of "Giant Springs", just below a slaughter house, where it did it's emptying into the river. Fat fish hung out around that fishing spot. I didn't find the little creeks in those days. Imagine the slaughter house is gone by now.

Phil S - 10-4-2009 at 02:49 PM

Roger. Thanks for the photo shoot. Haven't been back to Montana since I left in '58 It's on my "to do" list. Plus stopping at Missoula Mt. and visiting the Bourquin family. (hope I spelled that right) There was an Orville B. that was in my squadron at G.F.'s. He was one of the unfortunate enlistees.
Join the A.F. and see the world. He enlisted in Missoula, went to basic training, then Scott AFB in Illinois, then Great Falls for the rest of his tour!!!!
Looking forward to doing the "Going to the Sun highway" at Glacier. So much to see up there, and so little time (75 & aging quickly) Will you be in Coyote around the middle of November? Will be passing through to Loreto/Nopolo & Cabo for the month. Have a safe trip, and save some of those birds for the "locals"!!!!

Phil S - 10-4-2009 at 03:09 PM

Roger. What the heck happened to your pic's & reply to my 10-3 response? You have a gremlin in here??????

Pompano - 10-4-2009 at 06:13 PM

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Roger. What the heck happened to your pic's & reply to my 10-3 response? You have a gremlin in here??????


Phil..I had some size problems with my photos in that post, making it WAY too big for an average pc screen size. So I am editing it and will post again. But I am going to post it as a separate thread so as not to make this one so dang long.

Stay tuned and it shall appear titlled:

Oregon Coast - Columbia Gorge - Montana - Nodak or something like that. Your query and my reply will be in there.

Shouldn't be too much longer..I hope. However, it's cold up here and somebody just opened a bottle of Jack Daniels.

baitcast - 10-5-2009 at 01:08 PM

Another American sportsman,my father who prowled the Okanogan drainage and BC from the west to his favorvite Clark Fork river to the east and everything in between,at our place on Pend Oreille. lake Ida.


Pompano - 10-5-2009 at 01:38 PM

Hi baitcast...nice post with great photos of your father and his catch. He fished some of the same waters I prowl. Fraser Valley, Pitt River, lots of smaller streams and just plain fished all the way to the Clark Fork, also. We probably stood in some of the same eddies. I had a riverside home on the Clark Fork near Missoula in the early 70's. Small towns of Huson and Frenchtown were a bit closer, but nobody has heard of those.

If I EVER get my sizing problems fixed, I am going to post some stuff about Montana and the Clark Fork. Maybe here if it doesn't get too long and windy.

Thanks again for the great photos of your Dad.

Skipjack Joe - 10-5-2009 at 02:06 PM

The Clark's Fork looked too big for dry fly fishing. But it's 'headwaters' around Warm Springs are real nice. In the summertime there's a real good caddis hatch in the evenings. I fished it a fair amount on top with an elk hair caddis with decent results. Then I read Fontaine's book and started to swing a pupae in the current (just like the Missouri below Holter dam) and it was incredible.

On rainy days the PMD's come off real well in midday. Otherwise things are pretty dead until the evening.

I had heard that there are great Trico hatches on the Clark around Missoula but I never saw them. You probably need to drift it to get in on that.

baitcast - 10-5-2009 at 05:37 PM

Some of my earlyest memories was trolling the mouth of the Clark Fork where it emptyed in the Pend Oreille and stream fishing,the Pack river was also a favorite being it was so close to home in those days was full of trout,dad and his buddies caught some big ass brutes, no C&R in those days we just ate them all........:lol:

Pompano - 10-6-2009 at 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
I had read somewhere that Grey admired Hemingway's prose and came up with the idea that they would travel together, Grey fishing and Hemingway writing an account of each adventure. Can you imagine such a proposal? Needless to say Ernest didn't find it very appealing.

One other thing:
There are some things, though, I think the schools got right. For example, kids from my generation were introduced to Steinbeck through "The Pearl", "The Red Pony", and "Tortilla Flat". I wondered why "Cannery Row" was off the list until we read it recently. The characters of "Flo" and the house she ran in Pacific Grove was deemed inappropriate to our young minds. We no longer get squeemish about that. And "Cannery Row" was way better than the rest of those books.

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Igor,

Your mention of Steinbeck's novel, 'Cannery Row' was coincidental to a sight I saw recently on the Baja Road.

I came upon these tanks and it immediately reminded me of the movie version, where the Debra Winger character built her make-shift home in the boiler tank.

I loved John Huston's narration of the wild birthday party. A pretty good movie... ...Cannery Row.
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Condos, anyone?
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Skipjack Joe - 10-6-2009 at 10:47 PM

Yeah!

Mack and the boys lived in something like that.

Remember the parade? All the townfolks got excited with the festivities while Mack sat on that pipe in a row with the other bums facing the other way. They were above those 'common' middle class pleasures.

An inverted pyramid, Steinbeck had the social losers on top and the 'successful' people leading useless lives. Actually, a lot of the early baja travelers saw things that way. Perhaps even you, Roger?