BajaNomad - Rosarito plans to launch “alternative tourism”

Rosarito plans to launch “alternative tourism”

noproblemo2 - 10-22-2009 at 01:25 PM

Rosarito plans to launch a promotional campaign to make the beach resort a vacation center for gays. Efarid Rodriguez Carrillo is in charge of the project, modeling it on several similar “alternative tourism” projects that he worked on in Spain.

Rosarito, once a tourist hotspot, has suffered a significant decline in business for several years, and officials are looking for ways to revive the industry. Gays make the ideal tourist, Carrillo said, because they have more disposable income than straights, in general, and are willing to spend it on travel, dining, entertainment, and passports.

Carrillo said that at present there are no areas in the beachside city that cater exclusively to gay tourists, but there have been several gay weddings feted at some of the local hotels, and with good results

mtgoat666 - 10-22-2009 at 01:31 PM

vapid college students and LA gang bangers are primary vacationers in rosarito.

DENNIS - 10-22-2009 at 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
vapid college students and LA gang bangers are primary vacationers in rosarito.

So...I guess they're going for the gay vapid college students and gay L.A. gang bangers to pull them out of the hole...so to speak.

Udo - 10-22-2009 at 03:03 PM

My neighbors across the street where I live are gay, and they do spend a lot of time in Rosarito. So we always exchange stories about Baja.
I think it's a great marketing idea, whomever came up with it.

Von - 10-22-2009 at 03:34 PM

Hahahaha just had to laugh ,good idea~~ if it works, i guess

If i only had beer in the desert and all the water was gone out my radiator

in my car i would have to try it with beer ha? What ever it takes maybe even cactus juice? mmmmm :light:

JESSE - 10-22-2009 at 05:09 PM

So, are gays supposed to be more brave and less logical than regular Tourists? :rolleyes:

DENNIS - 10-22-2009 at 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
So, are gays supposed to be more brave and less logical than regular Tourists? :rolleyes:

When you're busy prancing and posing, the rest of the world doesn't matter.

DENNIS - 10-22-2009 at 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by The Gull
To answer Jesse - yes all the dykes I ever met were braver than most men I met.

Thanks, Gull.
Your comment to Jesse was well thought out. How many dykes and how many men have you met?

Mexicorn - 10-22-2009 at 07:11 PM

I've often thought of myself as being a big time lesbien trapped in a mans body. :?:

DENNIS - 10-22-2009 at 07:22 PM

You're both extremely ill. I see a lot of psychiatrists for things that don't work for me but, you two need counseling, preferibly under heavy meds. :lol:

When in Rome

Dave - 10-22-2009 at 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by noproblemo2
Gays make the ideal tourist, Carrillo said, because they have more disposable income than straights, in general, and are willing to spend it on travel, dining, entertainment, and passports.

Carrillo said that at present there are no areas in the beachside city that cater exclusively to gay tourists, but there have been several gay weddings feted at some of the local hotels, and with good results

So...I'm thinking....Maybe I should open a gay bar.

:rolleyes:

CortezBlue - 10-22-2009 at 08:24 PM

Well I am not gay, but I consider myself very happy

DENNIS - 10-22-2009 at 09:15 PM

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Originally posted by Dave
So...I'm thinking....Maybe I should open a gay bar.

Easy for you. All you have to do is switch the restroom signs in your place. :lol:

El Comadante Loco - 10-22-2009 at 09:36 PM

It does not matter in who's hand the money is in as long as they spend it..
Go for it Rosarito!!!

arrowhead - 10-22-2009 at 09:58 PM

Aren't they really saying they have run out of ideas on how to gin up business in Rosarito? This is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. About the only tourists they still have in Rosarito are the Mexicans, and those guys are not going to sit in a bar with a bunch of jotos.

Sharksbaja - 10-22-2009 at 10:59 PM

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Originally posted by arrowhead
... the Mexicans, and those guys are not going to sit in a bar with a bunch of jotos.

A bunch? Doncha mean a gaggle?

Haven't you ever heard the term "A gaggle of gays?

No pun intended. :rolleyes:

BajaNuts - 10-22-2009 at 11:36 PM

Does anyone remember the family cruise that Rosie O'Donnell coordinated a couple years ago?

I'm not making a judgment one way or the other, but there is a huge untapped...(no pun intended) ........market in the gay/lesbian/kink ...and even to include FAMILY.... market.

Not even going to take this to the "off topics" realm, but there are a lot of people with money to spend on a fantasy vacation. And FYI- not all Baja fantasies involve BIG SLIMY FISH!

Arrowhead, mi amigo, a vegetarian would say that catering to fishermen is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

As I just posted in another topic, it's all about marketing and capturing what little dollars are out there.

How is this avenue any different than the "No-tell Motel" except that this other venue is appealing and marketing to a global market? Don't try to tell me that everyone who checks in to the "No-Tell Motel" are MARRIED couples who live in a small residence with 4 generations under one roof?!?

Yes. I Know that is the case for many, I also believe that OTHERS use this "No-Tell Motel" resource for whatever they need.............

How about just a fantasy weekend away from the kids? Big bucks for the operators who can deliver it to the customer....

[Edited on 10-23-2009 by BajaNuts]

shari - 10-23-2009 at 06:17 AM

NIche markets can be successful.
I'm quite likin this idea as we get tired of cleaning up after all those smelly fishermen ...I bet a billion pesos the fridges wouldnt stink of tuna! :biggrin:

but seriously, mexicans are not particularly homophobic...even small villages have several gay men and women who are active respected members of our community and nobody gives a rat's burro...it sort of makes them unique and nobody has issues with it.
bring it on.

DENNIS - 10-23-2009 at 07:58 AM

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Originally posted by shari

but seriously, mexicans are not particularly homophobic...

I think the men are but, given their culture, they just arn't as vocal as, say, the US culture. Knowing what we all know about "Machismo," it's difficult to believe that there's room for heartfelt tolerance hidden in the minds of Mexico's Macho Man, every man. Homosexuality is a stark contradiction to Machismo which is inflexible.

Woooosh - 10-23-2009 at 08:37 AM

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but seriously, mexicans are not particularly homophobic...

I think most gays in Mexico are married with families. Seriously. It's ok to fool around with a mistress (or master?) so long as your family is your first priority and you bring no shame upon them. The head of the AFO family and the Mayor of Rosarito are both reported to be somewhat flexible when it come to sexual orientation. It's not a big deal down here socailly- I think mostly because Mexican families are so large- every extended family has a few gays or lesbians they know and accept privately. Just because Mexicans can accept gays as part of their extended families- it doesn't mean they will publicly support them in the business community.

There are several gay bars in Rosarito (Siete Mar "7 seas" across from the Rosarito Beach Hotel and the Green Dragon across from Rosarito Cable). I have seen promotional fliers for the Green Dragon during spring break. No, I have not been to them- but everyone knows where they are. Not sure how much harassment they get but I would think it is significant. I would think security for the owners, patrons and getting to and from the bank with the cash reciepts would be the hard part. JMHO though.

woody with a view - 10-25-2009 at 02:29 PM

we once ate breakfast at 7 mares..... i even got a tshirt from the place cuz the food was good and the shirt was cheap $6.... now your telling me i'm sporting a shirt from a gay bar?

not that anythings wrong with that?

i think!

DENNIS - 10-25-2009 at 02:37 PM

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Originally posted by woody in ob

not that anythings wrong with that?

Just don't wear it in Hillcrest.

And if you drop change on the sidewalk

Dave - 10-25-2009 at 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Just don't wear it in Hillcrest.

Leave it be.

Bajahowodd - 10-25-2009 at 03:32 PM

Despite some comments to the contrary, the gay thing may just be the salvation of Rosarito. The most important factor for these folks is security. They wish to be themselves without facing judgemental criticism. I cannot think for a second that the cartel folks would have a problem with gays congregating in Rosarito. To the contrary, it gives them a target market for recreational drugs. Go Gays! Go Rosarito!

DENNIS - 10-25-2009 at 03:45 PM

I can see it now:

WELCOME TO ROSIE-RITO

noproblemo2 - 10-25-2009 at 04:23 PM

We are overall still human beings!!! Que Sera Sera, And NO Dennis, before you start I am Not!!! However there are many good community minded people who are able to see BOTH sides of the issue, the world is a changing for better or worse, but changing it is..... They fight in our wars, they defend our homeland security,do everything we all do day in and day out, try watching the movie, My Fellow Americans, starring Jack Lemmon, great movie........ you could use a good laugh. As we all can from time to time!!!!!!

DENNIS - 10-25-2009 at 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by noproblemo2
And NO Dennis, before you start I am Not!!!

Not what?

Thanks I needed that

wessongroup - 10-25-2009 at 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by noproblemo2
We are overall still human beings!!! Que Sera Sera, And NO Dennis, before you start I am Not!!! However there are many good community minded people who are able to see BOTH sides of the issue, the world is a changing for better or worse, but changing it is..... They fight in our wars, they defend our homeland security,do everything we all do day in and day out, try watching the movie, My Fellow Americans, starring Jack Lemmon, great movie........ you could use a good laugh. As we all can from time to time!!!!!!

Thank you for putting the ship into the middle of the stream again, nice hand on the wheel

Woooosh - 10-25-2009 at 05:40 PM

OK. Who knew post quotes could be "edited" by others. At least it was humorous.

I don't know about gay tourism being Rosarito's salation, but another 10% is 10% better than what they have now. A dance/show bar with good food and music is what it would take. Even Hank Rhon used to hire drag performers for his parties- it's def not shunned from an entertainment perspective in Mexico. Security is the issue- because saturday night is fight-night for the local youngsters. Surely the discounted drinks, 18 year old go-go boys and somewhat legal street drugs should make that a wash.

Why are there no classy F-Street type Adult Superstores? Police hassles? Prostitution is legal and there are thousands of registerd sex workers (male and female) in TJ. Seems like there's money to be made in sex tourism. I'm just not sure that's what Rosarito wants to or should become when it comes down to it. JMHO

Rosarito or the club could run party busses from hillcrest to rosarito. That mght not be a bad idea even without any news bars. Once they take the bus once- they won't mind the drive the next time. The casinos have pick-up spots all over the county that take you to them and back. Why not Rosarito?

DENNIS - 10-25-2009 at 05:46 PM

You could introduce Martian Sex and it would still be Rosarito.

noproblemo2 - 10-25-2009 at 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
You could introduce Martian Sex and it would still be Rosarito.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, and HOW WOULD YOU know that Dennis??????????

DENNIS - 10-25-2009 at 06:18 PM

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Originally posted by noproblemo2
Hmmmmmmmmmmm, and HOW WOULD YOU know that Dennis??????????

I just know. I can't tell you everything. :cool:

noproblemo2 - 10-25-2009 at 06:30 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by noproblemo2
Hmmmmmmmmmmm, and HOW WOULD YOU know that Dennis??????????

I just know. I can't tell you everything. :cool:

Maybe it goes back to the other thread????????
"Jeezus, Dennis. You are such a putz. I have only one suggestion for you: less Pacificos, more Zoloft"

arrowhead - 10-26-2009 at 02:45 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
I can see it now:

WELCOME TO ROSIE-RITO

Well, if all this comes to pass, I sure hope they treat their gerbils better than they treat their dogs.

By the way, Macho Taco was shut down and evicted last Friday. Good thing, somehow a business with "macho" in the name probably wouldn't fit in to the new Rosarito image.

Bajahowodd - 10-26-2009 at 03:55 PM

As Rodney King asked, "Can't we all get along?" I have never understood the reaction of so-called"straight" people that somehow allowing gays and lesbians complete and total equal rights is going to threaten them.

I really think that aside from the religious nuts who think it such an abominable sin, a sizeable number of the anti-gay community consists of latent gays. And it scares the crap out of them.

noproblemo2 - 10-26-2009 at 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
As Rodney King asked, "Can't we all get along?" I have never understood the reaction of so-called"straight" people that somehow allowing gays and lesbians complete and total equal rights is going to threaten them.

I really think that aside from the religious nuts who think it such an abominable sin, a sizeable number of the anti-gay community consists of latent gays. And it scares the crap out of them.

Interesting Bajahowodd, but you may be onto something with your train of thought. Overall tolerance is an asset in this changing world.

Bajahowodd - 10-26-2009 at 04:31 PM

noproblemeo2- My thoughts are rooted in the concept that the homosexual population has been grossly undercounted. Since time began, creatures of all forms have had homosexuality amongst them. I referred to latency because I do believe there are a huge number of people who, while basically open-minded, retain some level of fear that they, themselves may harbor certain tendencies. Fear makes people do things they likely would not do in a different setting. People need to understand that history is replete with the accomplishments of many who may have been overtly or latently gay. That said, why in the world should sexuality even matter when it comes to contributing to the greater good of mankind?

And just for grins, I refuse to make one of those ridiculous statements that I am straight. I don't have to. I don't feel the need. It patronizes the wrong people. I do not fear anyone's sexuality. The whole issue, if it wasn't for the unwarranted fear and discrimination, should be moot.

[Edited on 10-26-2009 by Bajahowodd]

DENNIS - 10-26-2009 at 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
As Rodney King asked, "Can't we all get along?"

Sheeeit no. Why would we? We're getting ready to welcome food stands called MACHO/A/ MACHACA and insist on loud music in the baños to blur the two-tapping, not to mention the burros being striped pink and black like a sixties Elvis shirt...Why would we? Lets put JR in here....would he be happy with this turn of events?
People who love Baja love a history. They love the fight that it was. They appreciate the struggles of Meling's and Tabor's as well as the Arce an Díaz family...Fishers as well. Many more.

Now we see that all this history is being cast aside to welcome men who love men and women who love women. This takes precedence over the museum qualities of the penninsula.

Oh my....I'm at that stage in my old life that I don't understand.
Probably never will.

DENNIS - 10-26-2009 at 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
And just for grins, I refuse to make one of those ridiculous statements that I am straight. I don't have to. I don't feel the need.

You just did. :lol:

Puleeze

Dave - 10-26-2009 at 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Now we see that all this history is being cast aside to welcome men who love men and women who love women. This takes precedence over the museum qualities of the penninsula.

The qualities of this peninsula are geological. Who cares if Rosarito goes gay? It ain't worth a warm bucket of spit...gay or straight.

Bajahowodd - 10-26-2009 at 05:14 PM

Dennis, mi amigo. Far as I can tell, I'm merely five years your junior. So it's not age. It's more likely history and lifestyle. I respect what you have accomplished. Here I sit in Orange County and regret not having moved to Baja years ago. Your post leans heavily on stereotype. Truth be said, flamers give gays a bad name and gays understand that, too. From my perspective, number one, acceptance of gays will not alter history past. Number two, I do recall reading that one of the reasons for the seeming lack of gay lifestyle in the Mexican culture was that the inherent large, extended family lifestyle, just tended to cover it up. Translation: it's easy to get lost in a crowd. Everyone just needs to be real.

DENNIS - 10-26-2009 at 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
That said, why in the world should sexuality even matter when it comes to contributing to the greater good of mankind?

'Cause the greater crowd of mankind in Baja didn't, in it's years known for historical reference, have gay bars.
We're still talking Baja, right Howard? We're down here for the history lesson, not for new age understanding.
Don't do what the gays do, please. Force their existance upon others who don't agree with their choice of life-style. I'm entitled to my choice as well and it ain't gay by any means. Today it's Baja. Tomorrow it may be Anthony's.

arrowhead - 10-26-2009 at 05:31 PM

Howard, as much as I hate to back up Dennis on anything, all I can say is that you really do not understand Mexican culture. Not even a little bit. When you have lived in Mexico for a few years -- amongst Mexicans and not in a Gringo ghetto -- and speak Spanish fluently enough to understand the slang and the nuances, then you might come to understand what I am saying.

You are trying to infer your American sensibilities onto a foreign culture. Forget about it. You won't be happy in Mexico unless you stay in your ghetto.

You should try to find one of the Mexican men who post here and see if you can get them to explain to you that aspect of the culture in a U2U.

[Edited on 10-27-2009 by arrowhead]

DENNIS - 10-26-2009 at 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Your post leans heavily on stereotype.[quote/]

And you, with that statement, have stereotyped me.

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Truth be said, flamers give gays a bad name and gays understand that

Some do, that's fine. I'm stuck in my belief that their lifestyle is contrary to biology. That's OK for them Geese do it too. but they don't make such an entitlement issue out of it.

Sorry about getting the quote boxes screwed up.

DENNIS - 10-26-2009 at 05:43 PM

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Originally posted by arrowhead
as much as I hate to back up Dennis on anything,

Sorry you feel that way. I agree with you often, even admit it.
If you'll give me an address, I'll send you flowers...and some of those toilet deoderizers you like so well. :biggrin:

Not speaking personally but...

Dave - 10-26-2009 at 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Tomorrow it may be Anthony's.

I'm thinkin' that might be an improvement. :rolleyes:

BajaNuts - 10-26-2009 at 07:09 PM

"Originally posted by DENNIS
Now we see that all this history is being cast aside to welcome men who love men and women who love women. This takes precedence over the museum qualities of the penninsula."

Is Dennis implying that there were never any homosexuals in Baja until recently? And now that there are some homosexuals out in the open, that erases or defiles the history of Baja?

And wasn't all that fighting history Dennis referred to the fight for freedom? Fight against oppression?

I think it's generally understood that homosexuality has been around as long as prostitution. Both are mentioned in the Bible and many old writings. Don't see where it's a "NEW" thing in Baja just because it's been so supressed for so long. It was/is still there.

Who was that foreign leader who recently said "homosexuality didn't exist in his country"? (Pakistan?Iran? I can't remember.....)

Perhaps Rosario could tap into the greater market. All inclusive, clothing-optional resorts are HUGE in the Bahamas. A LOT of money to be had catering to alternative lifestyles of all flavors, not just gays.

Course, now we could get into a whole other discussion of .... what is an alternative lifestyle?

(Disclaimer! the following is posted NOT to solicit responses as to what is kinky or what is not, but to provoke thoughts about what is "Right" for one person and what is "right" for everyone.)

Is anything other than the "missionary" position "alternative"? for some people- yes

Let's get a little spicy, maybe throw in some "numbers", now are we in the ALTERNATIVE realm? for some- yes for others- that's just a warm up.

WHAT IF- some guy really likes putting nail polish on his wife's toes? What if his fantasy is to give her a pedicure while she is relaxing in a lounge chair, foo-foo drink in hand, gazing out at the azure blue waves of the ocean...

Hey, if a resort in Rosarito can provide the setting, why couldn't it happen?

My personal criteria is - MUTUAL CONSENT! And beyond that is each person's own personal belief of what is right and what is wrong.

Hopefully by thinking about the previous scenarios you will realize that for some people anything other than the "missionary" position is an abomination and will send the sinners straight to hell.

Now, these scenarios can continue getting wierder and kinkier until eventually every person would say, "that's my limit". If a venue can market to a new customer base then I say GO FOR IT.

The kicker for me is that both prostitution and homosexuality are condemned in the Bible. But now prostitution is legal? and it only took ?000 years? Well, legalizing homosexuality can't be far behind.

mulegemichael - 10-26-2009 at 08:22 PM

my experience/time in southern baja,(east cape), area is that gays are abundant and accepted in that area....it blew me away when i was informed of it...been around a long time, i think, and is accepted in the culture...i gotta believe it's that way all over baja

DENNIS - 10-26-2009 at 08:27 PM

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Originally posted by BajaNuts

Is Dennis implying

And wasn't all that fighting history Dennis referred to the fight for freedom? Fight against oppression?

Yeah...I'm implying. My fighting history for the US is shown through the medals on my chest and the susequent psychological problems that are an after affect of the chiit I lived in service to your country.
Don't you or anybody here ever say or imply that I didn't do what I had to do. It wasn't for you that I fought and saved my life. I did it for me but, when the stuff was on the table, I fed it to someone else.
You should have been there.

noproblemo2 - 10-26-2009 at 08:34 PM

In our small community, we do have gays, yes Mexican & American,and straights and we all get along, AS WE SHOULD...... I think some here see only what they want to see or what they envision they see or want it to be.

[Edited on 10-27-2009 by noproblemo2]

noproblemo2 - 10-26-2009 at 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by BajaNuts
Is Dennis implying
And wasn't all that fighting history Dennis referred to the fight for freedom? Fight against oppression?

Dennis, I personally would NEVER question any members of the military and respect 100% the dedication in which they serve at grave risk to themselves, many have had to endure things that are totally unimagineable to most, and for that deserve what little they are given in return for their service and dedication. Having said that, many have also returned permanently damaged by the horrors they were forced to see or endure, but that does not give them the right to verbally attack others for having a different belief than their own. S

BajaNuts - 10-26-2009 at 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by BajaNuts

Is Dennis implying

And wasn't all that fighting history Dennis referred to the fight for freedom? Fight against oppression?

and I humbly, proudly and gratefully stand and SALUTE you, and all other service men and women who have served their country, whichever country that is!

I'm Serious! I stand, hand over heart, and try not to sniffle too loud when the Honor Guard passes with the colors at the July 4th parade.

My grandfather's ship was the USS Arizona, we all know how that story ended. Funny thing was, my grandfather only took 2 week of leave during the whole WWII, the first 2 weeks of December while the Arizona was in Hawaii. He lived to fight another day.

What I was asking is why fighting for one's country is dishonored by a gay bar or marketing to an alternative lifestyle when prostitution is legal?

[Edited on 10-27-2009 by BajaNuts]

DENNIS - 10-26-2009 at 09:53 PM

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Originally posted by noproblemo2
Having said that, many have also returned permanently damaged by the horrors they were forced to see or endure, but that does not give them the right to verbally attack others for having a different belief than their own. S

You don't, nor ever will, get it. Had I known at the time people like you were what I fought for, I would have deserted. YOU arn't worth it. You arn't worth my friends lives. You have no idea of what you say here. You have no idea of the damage you do with your mouth just because you think you have an audience here.
You defile my friends, my dead friends efforts.

I'll say here, I wasn't in Nam. I was elsewhere. Not your affair.
What is your affair is your insensitivity to those who have been places you know nothing about.
You don't know so why do you talk like you do? You don't know.

Don't question me with your simple minded attacks any more. Speak of things you know.
You don't know me.
How dare you assume you do.

DENNIS - 10-26-2009 at 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by BajaNuts

What I was asking is why fighting for one's country is dishonored by a gay bar or marketing to an alternative lifestyle when prostitution is legal?

They arn't involved in any confusion, Nutz. Nobody ever said they were. Fighting awards it's own medals. There's just more to being a military person than life in a foxhole.
I completely agree with you, by the way.

[Edited on 10-27-2009 by DENNIS]

noproblemo2 - 10-27-2009 at 04:21 AM

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And on this you are dead wrong!!!

Sure

Dave - 10-27-2009 at 09:26 AM

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Originally posted by The Gull

Dave,

I don't know the difference between gay or straight spit, can you illuminate us with how one would know the difference or why one would want to tell the difference?

I'm told one grows hair on your palm, the other removes it.

Feel free to experiment.

Report your results.

mtgoat666 - 10-27-2009 at 10:24 AM

Seems like this topic has shed light on who is and is not a bigot. The light has painted an ugly scene.

I like the CA political scene where homophobes say gay marriage diminishes value of straight marriage, but same critics don't think divorce diminishes marriage. It is brilliant to see the response that says let's make divorce illegal as it diminishes the value of all marriages.

You've got my vote

Dave - 10-27-2009 at 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666 let's make divorce illegal as it diminishes the value of all marriages.

It certainly diminished the value of my bank account.

"Bitter, Party of One"

Gypsy Jan - 10-27-2009 at 01:00 PM

"Your table is ready."

Sorry Dave, I am just kidding (the ha ha kind).

Bienvenido a Rosarito?

arrowhead - 10-27-2009 at 02:44 PM

"Rosarito city police pull over cars to be searched at the entrance to the city after a running gunfight between police in Tijuana and suspected members of organized crime. (David Maung / Special to the Union-Tribune) "

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/oct/27/bn27gunba...

Bajahowodd - 10-27-2009 at 04:23 PM

A steady diet of lemon juice can really affect one's outlook.

arrowhead - 10-27-2009 at 04:36 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
A steady diet of lemon juice can really affect one's outlook.

So will a dose of hot lead.

noproblemo2 - 10-27-2009 at 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by arrowhead

If one has nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about. They search vehicles all the way to Cabo........

Bajahowodd - 10-27-2009 at 04:47 PM

Good point. Having driven to Cabo and back many times, I can attest to the fact that the soldiers are polite and courteous, and don't come close to ruining anyone's day.

noproblemo2 - 10-27-2009 at 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Good point. Having driven to Cabo and back many times, I can attest to the fact that the soldiers are polite and courteous, and don't come close to ruining anyone's day.

And they love having their pics taken with you!!!!

Bajahowodd - 10-27-2009 at 05:38 PM

So true. Almost make one wonder if they are equipped to deal with the bad guys.

Woooosh - 10-27-2009 at 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by BajaNuts
"Originally posted by DENNIS
The kicker for me is that both prostitution and homosexuality are condemned in the Bible. But now prostitution is legal? and it only took ?000 years? Well, legalizing homosexuality can't be far behind.

Not too many religions cling to the Old Testament. The God of the Old Testament was a prick. No one wants to live by the Old Testament (eat shellfish=hell, eye-for-an-eye, women=property, gay=hell, prositituion=hell). So basically if you eat lobster and don't treat your woman as property, you are doomed to hell according to the Old Testament. That doesn't fill up churches on Sundays so the fundamantaist christians pull the anti-gay parts out of context and try to ignore all the rest... Such is religion. JMHO.

arrowhead - 10-27-2009 at 09:36 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
Not too many religions cling to the Old Testament. The God of the Old Testament was a prick. No one wants to live by the Old Testament (eat shellfish=hell, eye-for-an-eye, women=property, gay=hell, prositituion=hell). So basically if you eat lobster and don't treat your woman as property, you are doomed to hell according to the Old Testament. That doesn't fill up churches on Sundays so the fundamantaist christians pull the anti-gay parts out of context and try to ignore all the rest... Such is religion. JMHO.

Well, Woooosh, I just cannot let all that pass without correcting your errors. So here is your Sunday School lesson for a Tuesday night:

The only thing you got partially correct was the Old Testament admonition to not eat shellfish. However, there is no Hell in the Old Testament. The Jews had no concept of Hell -- and to this day still do not have a Hell. Hell was invented by the early Christians. By the way, they also do not have a Devil. The Hebrew word 'Satan' means adversary.

Women are not property in the Old Testament. The 4th Commandment orders children to honor their father and mother. If a mother was mere property, there would be no call to honor her. In Genesis, God creates Adam and Eve at the same time and gives both of them responsibility and dominion over His creation. Up until the early 20th century, about the only book that did not consider women as chattel was the Old Testament. Even in ancient Israel, woman had the right to to buy, sell, and own property, and make their own contracts. These rights were not given to women in the Western world until about 100 years ago. And according to the oral tradition, woman had a greater level of intuition, understanding, intelligence than men.

And now for advanced Sunday School, not for minors. The Old Testament only forbade male homosexuality. There is not Biblical prohibition on lesbians.

I'm surprised the Right Reverend Skeeter didn't jump in to correct you.

Woooosh - 10-28-2009 at 08:42 AM

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You got the point I was making. I was oversimplifying out of scriptual ignorance- depends on what bible you read. Much of the confusion of religion is the hundreds of Bible "translations" and the intentional ommissions in them. Your post reads like a Dan Brown excerpt- which is good I guess- because it starts dialog about what the truth is. Not too many Christians dwell on the old testamanet unless they are Bible thumpers pulling parts out to throw into other peoples faces. So what? We all eat lobster- we are all doomed. Now leave that book of fables alone and stick to the New Testament (although that wasn't put into writing until 80 years after Jesus died so that too is subjest to error. It isn't like he had a press team follwing him around taking notes).

I've been spending some on-line time looking at the recently posted 4th century Codex Sinaiticus, a manuscript of the Christian Bible written in the middle of the fourth century, contains the earliest complete copy of the Christian New Testament. The hand-written text is in Greek. The New Testament appears in the original vernacular language (koine) and the Old Testament in the version, known as the Septuagint, that was adopted by early Greek-speaking Christians. In the Codex, the text of both the Septuagint and the New Testament has been heavily annotated by a series of early correctors.

The significance of Codex Sinaiticus for the reconstruction of the Christian Bible's original text, the history of the Bible and the history of Western book-making is immense.

http://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/codex/

You can type in your favorite bible passge by book and verse and see what it was inteded to mean. Very intersting. Not all pages are complete- you do get to see the faded, torn and incompllete texts.

arrowhead - 10-28-2009 at 09:03 AM

The Septuagint is not the Old Testament. It is a Greek translation of the earlier Jewish scripture with some newer scripture not found in the ancient Hebrew texts. But that is fodder for another topic some day.

tripledigitken - 10-28-2009 at 09:25 AM

Bible Scholars within our midst!

Let's cut to the chase..................how will Rosie be greeted by Paul at the Golden Gates? :?:

Ken

elgatoloco - 10-28-2009 at 09:49 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666 let's make divorce illegal as it diminishes the value of all marriages.

It certainly diminished the value of my bank account.

http://rescuemarriage.org/

Lots of great information here. You can download the public service announcements and send them to everyone you know.

:biggrin:

You could ask a Jew

Dave - 10-28-2009 at 10:25 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
I was oversimplifying out of scriptual ignorance- depends on what bible you read. Much of the confusion of religion is the hundreds of Bible "translations" and the intentional ommissions in them.

We still read the bible in its original form. Additionally, there are excellent English transliterations.

Two I would recommend:

The Pentateuch and Haftorahs-Soncino Press

The Five Books of Moses- Schocken Bible

And FYI, Jews consider the term 'Old Testament' as pejorative.

[Edited on 10-28-2009 by Dave]

Dave - 10-28-2009 at 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by elgatoloco

http://rescuemarriage.org/

Lots of great information here. You can download the public service announcements and send them to everyone you know.

:biggrin:

Love the T-shirt!

Wondering if the act passed would it be retroactive? Maybe I could get a refund. :rolleyes:

DENNIS - 10-28-2009 at 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by tripledigitken
Bible Scholars within our midst!

Let's cut to the chase..................how will Rosie be greeted by Paul at the Golden Gates? :?:

Ken

I thought Peter was on the gate. :lol:

tripledigitken - 10-28-2009 at 01:34 PM

I didn't want to put him in the same sentence! :coolup:

(just having some fun folks, before you flame me)

arrowhead - 10-28-2009 at 04:36 PM

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Do you read Spanish?

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Dispara militar arma por error y provoca despliegue policiaco

Luis Gerardo Andradelandrade@frontera.info
TIJUANA, Baja California(PH)
Miercoles, 28 de Octubre, 2009. 2:54 PM

Lo que en un principio se pensó que era un ataque en contra de agentes policiacos, resultó ser un error humano, ya que a un soldado que iba en un convoy militar se le salió un tiro en el bulevar Fundadores, lo que provocó un despliegue policiaco.

Según comerciantes de la zona, los hechos ocurrieron alrededor de las 12:30 horas, a la altura del fraccionamiento El Rubí, la histeria aumentó porque al momento de las detonaciones del militar iban pasando unas patrullas de la Policía Ministerial.

Después de confirmar que todo se había tratado de un error, militares y ministeriales se retiraron del lugar, sin embargo aún se podían apreciar los impactos en la calle.

http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Noticias/28102...

bajadogs - 10-28-2009 at 09:44 PM

Seems to me...

The old ancestors from my family who held on to the backwards, racist ways are no longer around.
I am hopeful and confident that you old bigoted homophobes will fade away as we evolve.

Hugs and kisses,
Mark

[Edited on 10-29-2009 by bajadogs]