BajaNomad - " Morir en la Miseria "

" Morir en la Miseria "

CaboRon - 11-28-2009 at 08:24 AM

14 Mexican Indian Cities Among Poorest in World

MEXICO CITY – At least 14 Indian municipalities in Mexico are among the poorest cities in the world and another 122 are on the verge of being included on the list prepared by the United Nations, the coordinator of the book entitled "Morir en la miseria" (Dying in poverty), Miguel Badillo, told Efe.

The journalists and chief editor of the magazine Contralinea said that the work collects 14 reports that describe the world's poorest cities, with an average per capita income level of less than $2 per day, with illiteracy rates greater than 60 percent and with a complete lack of health services, potable water, sewers, adequate housing and development.

The text describes the life of the poorest among the poor, who are found not only in the southern Mexican states of Chiapas, Oaxaca and Guerrero, but also in the wealthier north in Chihuahua, Sonora and Sinaloa, Badillo said.

"Those municipalities are among the poorest in the world, according to human development indexes, and they are similar to those in southern Africa. That is to say, they don't have access to basic requirements, they don't have food, potable water, housing, health centers, medicines and (their residents) dress in rags," Badillo said.

The reporters who wrote the stories included in the collection visited the 14 municipalities presented in the work, including Cochoapa el Grande, Metlatonoc (Guerrero), Caicoyoacan, Santa Lucia Miahuatlan and San Martin Peras (Oaxaca), Chalchihuitan, Santiago el Pinar, Chanal, Sitala, Mitontic (Chiapas), Mixtla de Altamirano and Tehuipango (Veracruz), Batopilas (Chihuahua) and La Angostura (Sinaloa).

The population in those cities is condemned to a slow death through starvation, malnutrition and lack of medical attention, and the lack of efforts to help the people there constitutes "authentic genocide" being committed by the Mexican authorities, Badillo said.

Although some families might be on the lists of the government assistance programs, the aid does not really get to them because of the remoteness of the country's mountainous zones where many of them live and due to the corruption of the authorities, the journalist said.

"When a check arrives with some aid, they must spend several hours and even days getting to a town to cash it," Badillo said.

In Mexico, there are thousands of people who are living in subhuman conditions, similar to those that prevail in parts of Sub-Saharan Africa, he added.

"Morir en la miseria" (published by Oceano, 2009) will be presented on Thursday at the National Art Museum in the Mexican capital.

The government, meanwhile, said Wednesday that the recession had increased from 14 million to 19 million the number of people in the country who are living in extreme poverty. EFE

Donjulio - 11-28-2009 at 08:29 AM

Yes and that is why some of us are down here working to make a difference. Want to join us?

Skeet/Loreto - 11-28-2009 at 09:20 AM

Don Julio: I am sure that there are people down there trying to make a Difference.

And some people wonder why a starving Mexicano heads to the States, crosses the Border, gets a Job, sends Money back to his Family.
I know why but a whole lot of people donot!!

There are many, many Polically Correct People in the States that just Jump around and point their Fingers South and Squawk "Oh look at those poor folks, and it is all Americas Fault!!

How sad that they put out all that effort at a Rock Concert, but will not try to help their neighbors.

Keep up the Good Work Don.

Skeet

NO

Dave - 11-28-2009 at 11:03 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto

There are many, many Polically Correct People in the States that just Jump around and point their Fingers South and Squawk "Oh look at those poor folks, and it is all Americas Fault!!

It is all Mexico's fault.

Out of 190 nations, Mexico ranks #13 in GDP.

Mexico is not a poor country. It's a poorly run country. That 40+% of its population live at, or near the world poverty level is a disgrace.

Donjulio - 11-28-2009 at 12:54 PM

Hi Larry. Right now I am working with www.pasoapasito.org. We service the handicapped community. Many folks have many things going in San Felipe. There are now 2 food banks. One church sponsored and one community sponsored. There are two orphanages under construction. Both are almost completed. Sonshine Hacienda will hold 50 kids which is great.

There are the 3 different organizations here doing school scholarships. Several different drug and alcohol programs going. There is Desert Mothers which is a program training local women in the arts. Their first art show is Dec. 4th plus, plus, plus.

Lots of wonderful people here reaching out to make the community better for everyone.

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Every little bit helps

wessongroup - 11-28-2009 at 01:07 PM

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Originally posted by Donjulio
Yes and that is why some of us are down here working to make a difference. Want to join us?

As for us, doing what little bit I can...

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[Edited on 11-28-2009 by wessongroup]

[Edited on 11-28-2009 by wessongroup]

Indigenous Population

Bajahowodd - 11-28-2009 at 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

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This comment is correct, but Mexico doesn't have a lock on this type of problem. It reminds me of a thread started on Thanksgiving and moved to off-topic where there was heated debate about the status of the American Indian population. There is a fundamental issue of race and ethnicity at work in these lifestyle disparities. As was mentioned on that other thread, there exists today abject poverty on US Indian land. To talk about which countries have more or less of it, ignores the issue of racism.

wessongroup - 11-28-2009 at 01:49 PM

thanks for the update.. it just "vanished" ....... :?:

Stuff Happens

Bajahowodd - 11-28-2009 at 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by wessongroup
thanks for the update.. it just "vanished" ....... :?:

Fundamentally, it was not Baja related. I believe that our host removed all Thanksgiving related threads to off-topic. And it didn't help that the one referenced became way too heated.

Skeet/Loreto - 11-28-2009 at 02:42 PM

howodd:
There is something missing that may help some with understanding the way things are.

In my time we were mostly busy with working and trying to feed our familes. I was four years old when the REA started-Now look at communication!

The Churches were really involved in Charity as there were no govt. programs until Roosevelt came alon WPA for a Dollar a Day.

Communication was much slower and there was much less a wate of time on Racism? Indians/ Blacks/ Asians and Such.

In my days of Country School, then High School we were taught the Goodness of Man , Morals and Honesty, being Fair etc{ Even through it was not fair to some of the Blacks, but I do wonder about their lack of improvement in their Culture}. NOw since I was Half Cherokee and my GrandMother lived with us I did not experience any negative ways as we were and still are very proud of our heritage{However my Grandmother always told me that the bunch who stayed on the Reservationwere a lazy Bunch of Indians,

As the Decline of the Western Civilization started in the 60's with the use of so many Drugs and DOPE, the if it feels good Theory became the paramount desire, communication changed and the "Blame game' became part of the Culture. It is still the In thing amongst a lot of people.

Somehow they feel better if they can Blame Americans for all of the poverty in the world.

Of all my years in Baja, I had very few or anyone who complained of their Poverty!!! From San Nicholas, Mulege, Loreto, Villa Constitution. And I have sat in a Hospital Room with dozens of Mothers, Fathers, and Children waiting for Care.
Never ! And you know their faces most of the time had smiles.
After my wife and I started 'Warm jackets for Cold Kids" we were involed in seeing some preety bad living structures. Yet I heard no complaints.

Now put that up at the States:

All you hear is complainst because we are the most 'Greedy People in the World!!!

Enough Said

Skeet

Bajahowodd - 11-28-2009 at 02:54 PM

Skeet. You and I have some very common beliefs. I grew up in a time when things were different, too. However, I respectfully disagree with you on certain root causes of our problems today. This nation began changing as a result of the policies began by Ronald Reagan that resulted in displaced workers and evaporating support systems. There's huge wealth in this country, but it has been increasingly concentrated in the hands of a few. More people working harder, struggling. Going into debt trying to survive. They get angry. They become more combative. Alas, I don't see the social changes in the 60's as a root cause. I see the political and financial changes began in the Reagan era as having been the fundamental shift in our society. Folks who engage in charity are blessed. But that notwithstanding, there really needs to be more focus on how the wealth of this nation can focus on a greater common good.

Skeet/Loreto - 11-28-2009 at 04:12 PM

Well said but as you say we Disagree especially about it Starting with Reagan.
NO!
Started with Union workers who are now making $70 and Hour and benefits, The Car companies charging 50,00o for a Suburan, The Greed common Folks being urged on to Buy Houses beyond their needs{That my friend was Clinton} Mortgage Companies charging Higher Interest Rate {Also Greedy} and Carter had the interest Rate to 22%[Remember}

I think you are wrong about all of the great amount of wealth being with a small group, Not in Texas! Our good mexicano workers start off at $12.50 an hour at the Beef Plants..

Question for you and Lera
If by some odd ball chance you were able to get rid of half of my Wealth/Income who would be in charge of handing it out??

What would happen to the Rich Peoples Investments that produce goods to be purchased???

Would the people who got my money have to work??

How are you going to make "Common Good" when there are some people who are Smarter and work harder than Others.. Would you like to be forced to be like all the other people on the Bus??

Skeet

wessongroup - 11-28-2009 at 04:29 PM

Heated or not, some things just need to be said.. and the way it's going up North, you had better stick to the party line... take a look a Lou Dobbs.. yeah, I know "politics" had nothing to do with him giving up a "bully pulpit" everyday to make HIS case be HEARD above the daily drone of the media telling us what is "really going on".

Seems like the freedom to speak one's mind (and please let's not run to the old "fire in the theater one), even if the words are hateful and mean, should be allow to be at least SPOKEN in conversation.

I for one don't have a hard time with much anything, with a few exceptions and tend to move away from situations which cause me discomfort, which is what I'm doing at the moment in Baja... all that is not a way of life but an excuse for one... folks up there will be learning first hand some of the lessons I was taught by a depression area man, when I grew up... use it, then use it again, then use it until it's gone.. keep a spare everything, don't trust banks completely, and always keep some stashed away for a rainy day..

I know there are a lot of folks parents, who went through really hard times prior to the 1940's some were lucky, but most were just like everyone else, just living a life.... then hard times came...

Don't think any of those folks wanted to be on the bus either, but they were and that was that... kind of like the Mexican folks, they are in it... and that is that... their strength is there salvation... and they have it in spades...

Bajahowodd - 11-28-2009 at 04:33 PM

Skeet- I do not profess to be anywhere smart enough to propose a solution. What I can say is that this is nowhere near the same country that I grew up in. If I only go back less than ten years, we had a situation under Clinton ( have to say now that I actually knew him at Georgetown). He actually was a major disappointment to many liberals. Bottom line was that his administration was able to put this country on a path that would have eliminated the national debt. Heck. They balanced the budget! Idiot Bush comes in. He was never in charge. He was the unwitting front man for a cabal. Perhaps if 9/11 never occurred, he would have been one and done just like his daddy. But however you wish to describe it, the Bush administration was able to capitalize on the fears of the public, to enable them to do basically whatever they wanted to do. Fundamentally, what they were looking to do was make money. So, they trumped up the Saddam thing. Which is ironic, because today, if Saddam was around, he would be the greatest defense against Iran. That said, the folks with money, big money, don't give a crap. It's just all about making more.

Skeet, I weep for what has happened to our great country.

Skeet/Loreto - 11-28-2009 at 05:01 PM

Let me be the first to tell you! It is far from Gone!!

You ought to come back to Texas where we are still able to live a good life, not crowded up in the Cities. We will survive and we will even be better.

Bush is gone as Clinton and Carter are gone.Let it go and try to figure out what we can do to improve our Great Country!!

Bajahowodd - 11-28-2009 at 05:04 PM

Tejas, it is. Give me directions, Skeet.

wessongroup - 11-28-2009 at 06:03 PM

Couldn't agree more...

monoloco - 11-28-2009 at 08:11 PM

One of the problems with Mexico, where a very small percent of the population controls a majority of the wealth, is that wealthy Mexicans are notoriously tight fisted when it comes to charity. Carlos Slim once replied when asked what he was going to do with all his money," don't expect me to give it away like Bill Gates"