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dias de san javier de commondu

gnukid - 11-30-2009 at 10:02 AM

There is a big celebration starting 'round tuesday Dec 1st in Commondu, BCS to celebrate Rancho activities y Caballos, las Caballitas tam bien, plus a bike race/horse race to Loreto. I don't much about it but I understand many caballos, caballeros y bandas are heading that way now with empanadas, burritos, taquitos y tecate. Pack your bed roll, put on your boots, jeans and sombrero an start walking to commondu.

KurtG - 11-30-2009 at 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by David K
San Jose Comondu?

Dec. 3 is the festival day at Mision San Javier. festivities for several days with huge crowds. If you go plan to stay for a while since that road will be jammed. Locals tell me that 3-4000 people show up.

Pescador - 11-30-2009 at 07:18 PM

I have gone a couple of times and it is a real experience to say the least. the valley is tight and closed in and it is not unusual to see 3-4 thousand people. Because there is very little availablitity of porta potties or flush toilets, the ground surrounding the festivity area becomes a real danger area (be careful where you walk). Partygoes save up all year and they stay up most of the night playing guitars and singing and roasting all the goats that get sold for eating. Almost all little groups have a goat roasting over the open coals most of the time and the smoke and smell of roasting goat kind of hangs in the air moving up and down in the valley depending on the temperature. It does get cold at night and water may freeze but things warm up during the day. Carnival rides abound and they use a big generator to supply the power and there are numerous vendors in their tents selling everything from school supplies, blankets (love the auctions), cookware, kiddie toys, chance games like baseball toss and basketball, and food vendors. By the last day without refrigeration, some of the meat was getting a little strong and we had a couple of people who developed Montezuma's revenge in a big way.
Because we were in a tent and right in the middle of things, it was an awakening as to the difference of cultures in terms of comfortable space. We literally had people who moved the corner of our tent so that they could pitch theirs.
There were horse races, c-ck fights, cowboys in costume, several weddings, and dances that lasted most of the night.
Now that the road is better, it may have changed somewhat, but it is a true Baja experience.

San Javier

tehag - 12-1-2009 at 11:03 AM

Used to be in the Municipio de Comondu, now in the Municipio de Loreto. Same place, same party. Mega bash.

gnukid - 12-1-2009 at 11:21 AM

It's about cowboys and horses and stuff.

LaTijereta - 12-1-2009 at 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by David K
Where... San Javier or San Jose Comondu?

There is no 'San Javier de Commundu'... as gnukid posted... and continued with 'commundu' in his post... which eliminates San Javier, it would seem?

Here are some images from San Jose Commondu.. A very magical part of Baja to visit..

gnukid - 12-1-2009 at 12:20 PM

DK when a cowboys tells you, I am going to Mission San Javier De Comondu y luego Comondu for the party, I don't question it. I gave them extra blankets and a tent to borrow. I especially don't question it when I am speaking to a cowgirl who was among last year's princesses. I am not sure, I have been there, there is a San Javier de Comondu, there is a mission there too? I am sure you knew that?#$@! They have lots of events this week and I don't know if there is a specific place that the party will be focused as it is likely spread across the region all the way to Loreto. But I do know that every one is going that way toward Comondu either from La Purisma or from Loreto on their horses right now. Perhaps 1000 people and many horses at least.

gnukid - 12-1-2009 at 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
It's about cowboys and horses and stuff.

Do want to enlighten us as to which town you were talking about? San Jose Comondu or San Javier... There is no town of "San Javier de Commundu" or "Commondu" as you posted.

I think it would be nice if you apologize, once again, for being arrogant and misinformed regarding the area of your interest which naturally includes the town of San Javier de Comondu which has a main street ending of course at Mission San Javier de Comondu.

Let's call this "Apology for DK's mission error #99"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misión_San_Francisco_Javier_de_Viggé-Biaundó

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Javier,_Baja_California_Sur

[Edited on 12-1-2009 by gnukid]

KurtG - 12-1-2009 at 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by David K

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Originally posted by gnukid
It's about cowboys and horses and stuff.

Do want to enlighten us as to which town you were talking about? San Jose Comondu or San Javier... There is no town of "San Javier de Commundu" or "Commondu" as you posted.

David,
The festival is in San Javier which historically was in the Municipio of Comondu. I think that is where the confusion comes from.

[Edited on 12-1-2009 by KurtG]

David K - 12-1-2009 at 03:37 PM

There is no 'San Javier de Comondu' gnukid... You don't even have a map to show me different.

I would have guessed San Javier (in Comondu county/ municipo) but you later typed the location as just 'Commondu'...

Well amigo... the town and municipo both are spelled with one 'm'. But, when you call the place 'Comondu' with no other name it could only be San Jose Comondu or maybe neighboring San Miguel Comondu, 2 miles away... San Jose de Comondu was a mission relocated in today's San Jose Comondu about 1737.

Comondu (San Jose or San Miguel) is 30 miles from San Javier (the site of Mision San Francisco Javier or Xavier).

30 miles over a rough road is a long ways to go to get to the wrong place for the fiesta... You fail to appreciate that many, many people read this site and what is posted here... Accurate information should be appreciated. Sorry if you cnnot give the correct town names, at least be gracious enough to accept the correction. I did try more than once to get you to post more clearly... I did not know you were unaware of the difference between the towns of Comondu... and San Javier, 30 miles to the southeast.

See the links below that have the facts, photos and locations of all the Baja missions... I did that research for you Baja loving Nomads to use... I don't make a centavo from my efforts. Please utilize those web pages.

David K - 12-1-2009 at 03:42 PM

From the link you provided, gnu... (they don't even call the municipo 'Comondu')... Oh, and the road is paved 10 of the 22 miles there from Loreto, as of last July)

San Javier, Baja California Sur
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San Javier is a village in Loreto municipality in the Mexican state of Baja California Sur. It is approximately 36 km southwest of Loreto on an unfinished road. It had a population of 142 inhabitants at the census of 2005, and contains the Misión San Francisco Xavier de Viggé-Biaundó (more commonly known as Misión San Javier).

David K - 12-1-2009 at 03:45 PM

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Originally posted by KurtG

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Originally posted by David K

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Originally posted by gnukid
It's about cowboys and horses and stuff.

Do want to enlighten us as to which town you were talking about? San Jose Comondu or San Javier... There is no town of "San Javier de Commundu" or "Commondu" as you posted.

David,
The festival is in San Javier which historically was in the Municipio of Comondu. I think that is where the confusion comes from.

[Edited on 12-1-2009 by KurtG]

Thanks Kurt... I did know this... but since gnu called the festival site 'commondu' (without 'San Javier' in his original thread below the subject line) , it was important for Nomads to know that was an error. There is a town of 'Comondu', 30 miles distant. Let's go to the right town!

wessongroup - 12-1-2009 at 03:50 PM

Hey where's the party :lol:

would think 3-4,000 people without potties would be hard to miss... try the Google Map you most likely can see them from space...

I will leave this party to the younger ones.. however, it sounds like it would be a lot of fun, and the goat sounds good too

Hey, Woody... goat tamales :lol:

gnukid - 12-2-2009 at 01:36 PM

They got portapotties and barrels of water to drink.

For clarification, San Javier is very close to San Jose de Comondu, they are spoken about in common context like sister churches, one will pass from one to the next, so the phrase I hear and repeat is San Javier de Comondu, not "in Comondu" as DK projects. The footnotes of the wiki entries noted discuss the history of the region and the formal naming changes over time.

In this case, it appears the phrase voy a San Javier de Comondu could simply mean, perhaps, the part of the horse ride to San Javier from Comondu, the ranch area between, which is really the area one would visit and camp in, since one doesn't exactly camp in the San Javier mission anymore.

Being Baja Nomads, sooner or later one comes to realize its not about a place,a gps point, it's about traveling the between part which is the commonality we share.

Its quite like the region known as Calle a Cabo which has little to do with Cabo, but simply refers to the region not otherwise named while heading in the direction of Cabo, or it could mean "where the road ends" or perhaps like trying to explain that we don't call it "Bay of Dreams" since the name is still Bahia de Los Muertos for us which has nothing to do with dead but refers to dead corral of years past. And by the way there is still no Bay of Dreams and never will be. Now they have also changed the name of Cerralvo, and misreported its history as well but we will still call it Cerralvo or Goat island or whatever people historically call it is what it is, not what US books, google or AAA says it is. In fact there is a sense of discontent and popular discussion among the people lately that this name game and text book misinformation is part of a process to steal land through name changes. And we don't like it.

What is clear is that the mission history, the cowboy lifestyle, the dance, these are fantastic, rich and this culture, these stories are our stories and our history as inter-dependent cultures of the Californias and the Americas.

Either way, I got to dance with the princess and last night we ate burro, both of which are excellent.

David K - 12-2-2009 at 06:21 PM

Sounds like fun gnu... any photos?

gnukid - 12-3-2009 at 08:57 AM

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Sounds like fun gnu... any photos?

Today, I gather is dia de San Javier Dec 3rd. For that last 4 days, at 4:30am a siren goes off, then coaxing to wake up, singing and gathering and around 4:50am or so a group gathers to walk with candles in unison to the church of San Javier in my neighborhood.

I wonder if this is the same in your neighborhood?

I gather its called Peregrin Urgacion but I don't know if that is correct spelling, nor do I know the significance, but I would like to know to shed light on San Javier?

gnukid - 12-3-2009 at 03:34 PM

The early morning walk is called Peregrinación which is trip with religious connotation to a sanctuary or other religiously significant place.

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrinación