BajaNomad - Stolen: 2001 Ford F350 4x4 Pickup - Alfonsina's

Stolen: 2001 Ford F350 4x4 Pickup - Alfonsina's

MontyF - 11-30-2009 at 04:38 PM

Stolen this morning at Alfonsina's:
2001 Ford F350 4x4 red pickup with matching red pickup top
California license: 6J92403

If you see this vehicle, please contact the authorities as well as the owner, Jay Meador via email at Gonzaga29@aol.com

The truck was stolen during the attempted (unsuccessful) highjacking of a Cessna 206 at Alfonsina's. The hijackers had a least one gun.

thanks

BajaBros - 11-30-2009 at 05:11 PM

Those big 206's appear to be a favorite of the drug thugs. One was stolen from Serenidad last year, I think. I'll keep an eye out for the F350 on my next trip to Gonzaga in late December.

doradodan - 11-30-2009 at 06:15 PM

i think they caught them. saw this pickup pulled over close to rio hardy.

BajaWarrior - 11-30-2009 at 06:33 PM

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Originally posted by doradodan
i think they caught them. saw this pickup pulled over close to rio hardy.

Dan, can you U2U him so he may find out as soon as possible of your news?

doradodan - 11-30-2009 at 06:35 PM

will do

David K - 11-30-2009 at 06:36 PM

Wow... good roads bring bad people... Gonzaga Bay has joined other places where this has happened (L.A. Bay, Mulege, etc.).

Very sorry to hear of this kind of piracy happening in Baja... Will ruin it for many people who live on tourist generated income.

rts551 - 11-30-2009 at 07:15 PM

don't think that road has gotten much better lately :no:

bonanza bucko - 11-30-2009 at 07:41 PM

This stuff has nothing to do with the road south of Puertecitos which is still a tough trip....still 37 miles of sharp rocks, 4 inch washboard and steep hill climbs over boulders in spots.

It has everything to do with drugs....and with the gluttonous appetite of the street in the USA for more and more of it.

It also has everything to do with our unwillingness and, thus, inability to deal with the demand up north and the supply down south. We could fix this tomorrow if we had the cajones to shoot those who sell this stuff and jail those who use it. If there were any "swift justice" these problems would not exist.

Ken Bondy - 11-30-2009 at 07:48 PM

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Originally posted by bonanza bucko
We could fix this tomorrow if we had the cajones to shoot those who sell this stuff and jail those who use it. If there were any "swift justice" these problems would not exist.

Don't think that would work bonanza bucko. The dealers who are shot would be instantly replaced by other dealers and there is an unlimited supply of users. Every society that has ever lived has had its intoxicants. The only solution is legalization, which for a variety of reasons, is unlikely to ever happen. So it will go on and on as we play like we are waging war on drugs.

BajaGringo - 11-30-2009 at 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by Ken Bondy

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Quite true!

rts551 - 11-30-2009 at 08:00 PM

heresy you guys. Its the roads

DianaT - 11-30-2009 at 08:05 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo

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Originally posted by Ken Bondy

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Quite true!

So very well said, Ken----very well said. :yes:

rts555

Meantime, I do hope the stolen truck is recovered---hated it when the plane was stolen in Bahia Asuncion, and now an attempt there. :fire:

bonanza bucko - 11-30-2009 at 08:07 PM

...guess I wasn't too clear about who should be shot. I had in mind the USA dealers...not the Mexican smugglers. If we offed about five of those dudes with some "swift justice"....not after 20 years of appeals and millions in legal fees the problems would diminish pretty fast. If dealers in the USA were afraid to sell the stuff the smugglers in Mexico would have to smuggle something else. But the something else would not have the devastating impact on young lives, the crime rate and our society that coke, heroin, crack and etc. do.

The lesson of prohibition does not apply because the demand for booze was, and is, universal. The demand for hard drugs and for pot which leads to hard drugs ain't.

Ken Bondy - 11-30-2009 at 08:22 PM

I did think you meant the USA dealers bonanza bucko, although I don't think it makes any difference. The shot dealers would be instantly replaced by other dealers regardless of nationality or geography. I respectfully disagree with your booze/pot/hard drugs analogy. The history of civilization proves that the demand cannot be eliminated. The only thing that could ever work is to eliminate the huge profits, and that can only be done by legalization.

motoged - 11-30-2009 at 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by bonanza bucko
<snip.....The lesson of prohibition does not apply because the demand for booze was, and is, universal. The demand for hard drugs and for pot which leads to hard drugs ain't.

BB,
Uh....don't think that the USA is the only place folks enjoy a puff or a rail...it IS a universal phenomenon, as folks ever since time began have enjoyed getting a buzz.

The hypocrisy of considering alcohol to not be a drug is very shallow thinking....many more health dollars are spent dealing with alcohol-related illness than "drug" related health matters...and this likely goes for other social tax dollar spending as well.

I am not advocating drug use, but recognize the historically pervasive use of it (in all its forms) and also agree with other opinions here advocating for legalization, taxation, and control measures rather than some moral righteous indignation....and cowboy thinking based on lynch-mentality that should have gone out of style with John Wayne mythology (who died from drug abuse----alcohol and cigarettes......" after being diagnosed with lung cancer... After surving lung cancer and heart surgery, Wayne developed gastric cancer, his final illness. ) :light:

Packoderm - 11-30-2009 at 09:03 PM

Oh man, it's not the drug itself but the illegalness of it that causes all the problems. People don't steal trucks and airplanes so that they can go to the local cantina and buy a beer or tequila shot - though they would have back in prohibition days.

I think Gonzaga was insulated from this stupidity due to its remoteness. It's going to be interesting to see the accounts rack up with the completion of the paved road. You see, bad roads work like a filter...

Steve&Debby - 11-30-2009 at 09:07 PM

So lets legalize murder then there will be no murders :?:

So we legalize drugs,Now do we educate our children as to the proper ways to do crack ,crank , pot,cocaine and no telling what other drug ????????????? :no:

I agree with Bucko,the penalty needs to be more severe.

Ken Bondy - 11-30-2009 at 09:10 PM

Steve and Debby

That's the standard anti-legalization argument. So your solution is to jail all the users and shoot all the dealers? What is it in the history of our treatment of drugs that suggests that would work?

[Edited on 12-1-2009 by Ken Bondy]

monoloco - 11-30-2009 at 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by Steve&ebby
So lets legalize murder then there will be no murders :?:

So we legalize drugs,Now do we educate our children as to the proper ways to do crack ,crank , pot,cocaine and no telling what other drug ????????????? :no:

I agree with Bucko,the penalty needs to be more severe.

We already tried that and ended up supporting the largest prison population in the world and we still have just as many drugs and drug users.

Packoderm - 11-30-2009 at 09:15 PM

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Originally posted by monoloco

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Originally posted by Steve&ebby
So lets legalize murder then there will be no murders :?:

So we legalize drugs,Now do we educate our children as to the proper ways to do crack ,crank , pot,cocaine and no telling what other drug ????????????? :no:

I agree with Bucko,the penalty needs to be more severe.

We already tried that and ended up supporting the largest prison population in the world and we still have just as many drugs and drug users.

We can't even keep the drugs out of our prisons. That seems ridiculous given the high security of such places.

Packoderm - 11-30-2009 at 09:18 PM

Sniffing glue is not illegal. Do we need classes on how to properly sniff glue? Your argument amounts to basically nothing.

Packoderm - 11-30-2009 at 09:24 PM

It's so easy to drift off topic.

Steve&Debby - 11-30-2009 at 09:27 PM

Ken,This is Steve
This is a sore subject between me and my wife ,she is more on your side, as much as I hate to say.
I do not know a solution for the drug problem. If legalization is the answer,won't the number of drug addicts sky rocket? How will we deal with that problem?
O" I forgot Obama's health care will take care of that!!!!!

Steve&Debby - 11-30-2009 at 09:30 PM

Packoderm, I believe that is called Huffing ,and yes it is illeagal in California

Ken Bondy - 11-30-2009 at 09:42 PM

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Originally posted by Steve&ebby
Ken,This is Steve
This is a sore subject between me and my wife ,she is more on your side, as much as I hate to say.
I do not know a solution for the drug problem. If legalization is the answer,won't the number of drug addicts sky rocket? How will we deal with that problem?
O" I forgot Obama's health care will take care of that!!!!!

Steve

It hasn't happened in countries where legalization exists (The Netherlands, for example). It is my opinion that the number of addicts is not a function of whether the drugs are legal or illegal. As the USA has amply proven, the users will get the drugs one way or the other. Legalization, IMHO, will not significantly change the number of addicts. It will, however, eliminate the huge illegal profits and the violence and crime which accompanies them.
++Ken++

DENNIS - 11-30-2009 at 09:45 PM

So..lets turn this whole thing around for a minute. Make it mandatory, a law, that everybody has to use drugs. Most everybody obeys the law and uses drugs to greater excess as habits morphs their needs and they begin to weaken and die. They die en masse and populations are diminishing, albeit legally.
Eventually, all that is left are those who broke the law and didn't induldge. In both scenarios the lawbreaker wins. What's up with that?

Ken Bondy - 11-30-2009 at 09:52 PM

DENNIS I don't exactly see what your strange theory proves. And I have to admit I am a little weary of theories. This is very real to me. My son-in-law, father of my youngest grandchild, died yesterday of a heroin overdose. He had absolutely no problems getting his highly illegal drugs. There is a possibility he could have been treated had they been legal.

[Edited on 12-1-2009 by Ken Bondy]

LancairDriver - 11-30-2009 at 09:56 PM

Check out this link- this is how Malasia deals with the drug problem. Wonder how effective it is?

http://news.malaysia.msn.com/regional/article.aspx?cp-docume...

DENNIS - 11-30-2009 at 09:57 PM

Sorry Ken. I had no idea. I wasn't theorizing...just stretching the imagination. The whole topic is frightening and frustrating.
My condolences, Ken. I mourn your loss.

Steve&Debby - 11-30-2009 at 09:58 PM

Ken,

I agree with the part about the profits,but if the drugs are legalized the price would go down and more people could afford to try things like meth,for example, witch is very addictive, more drug addicts.We all know meth adicts will do anything to get a fix.
Steve

Ken Bondy - 11-30-2009 at 10:02 PM

Understand DENNIS, appreciate your kind words. Steve, my concept of legalization does not involve a reduction in price. The profits would be legal and could be used to finance treatment and education.

Bajaboy - 11-30-2009 at 10:04 PM

Do we really need to have this discussion again?!

fishbuck - 11-30-2009 at 10:06 PM

Did they ever find that truck?

Santiago - 11-30-2009 at 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy
Do we really need to have this discussion again?!

Really....
as per D. Gilmore:
"...I've become....comfortably numb." on this issue, anyway.

Packoderm - 11-30-2009 at 10:20 PM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy
Do we really need to have this discussion again?!

I think we might continue to as long as it is such a strong component in what ills Baja lately.

Pacifico - 11-30-2009 at 10:23 PM

Truck?????

Anyone??????

Baja&Back - 11-30-2009 at 10:43 PM

In Vancouver BC, city council effectively legalized heroin & provided cushy lounges to shoot up in. 4 years later, there are four times as many heroin users in Vancouver, 4 times as many drug deaths, and 4 times as much theft & breakins to pay for drugs. (Source: Fraser Valley Health Authority)
City council is starting to change their views.

In Singapore, possession of drugs is punishable by death, a fact proclaimed in 12" high letters as you deplane in Changi airport.
Singapore has ZERO drug problems.

surfer jim - 11-30-2009 at 11:01 PM

And now ...after a long interuption

..... we return to the topic of a STOLEN TRUCK..... :rolleyes:

Packoderm - 11-30-2009 at 11:15 PM

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Originally posted by Baja&Back
In Vancouver BC, city council effectively legalized heroin & provided cushy lounges to shoot up in. 4 years later, there are four times as many heroin users in Vancouver, 4 times as many drug deaths, and 4 times as much theft & breakins to pay for drugs. (Source: Fraser Valley Health Authority)
City council is starting to change their views.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1030/p04s02-woam.html

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Originally posted by Baja&Back
In Singapore, possession of drugs is punishable by death, a fact proclaimed in 12" high letters as you deplane in Changi airport.
Singapore has ZERO drug problems.

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/01/15/singapore.ex...

surfer jim - 11-30-2009 at 11:17 PM

well...maybe not.....

fishbuck - 11-30-2009 at 11:19 PM

That truck was red wasn't it?

Packoderm - 11-30-2009 at 11:19 PM

And yes, I'm concerned about the stolen truck. I hope it finds itself safely with its rightful owner. It sucks that something so substantial happened in Gonzaga.

toneart - 11-30-2009 at 11:23 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo

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Originally posted by Ken Bondy

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Quite true!

True! I have stated this many times. We have a war mentality. We are fighting a perpetual and futile "War On Drugs". We have allowed the Cartels to profit and thrive in our "War On Drugs". They have ruined Mexico.

Drugs support the industry of Law Enforcement too. I am not a user or a seller and do not condone those practices. My take on legalization is a pragmatic solution. Remove the profit motive which will in turn, curb much of the violence. I support medical marijuana too. It can be controlled and taxed just like liquor. It is a great benefit for those who suffer pain due to cancer or other maladies.

And I am not against Law Enforcement. I want them to concentrate on real crimes, including drug sellers and users who commit violent acts. Free them up to go after the real criminals. That is where our tax dollars should go.

Follow me to Off Topic for the continuation of my War rant and it's consequences. It is pretty dark and fatalistic. Obama's speech tomorrow night is the last straw for me. :mad:

capt. mike - 12-1-2009 at 07:53 AM

Sorry Ken - that sucks. I hope you and your family find some relief and peace in spite of such a waste.

this is why i have a low wing speedster. the druggies have no use for it.
this is not the 1st theft from Alfis as we know.

my friend has one of the Hottest C 210s on the planet. well he just got a Aztec too so he could continue flying mexico with no fear of losing his 210.

Ken Bondy - 12-1-2009 at 07:59 AM

Thanks mike. He left a beautiful 7-year old boy who adored him. Hard to tell how this is going to affect our grandson. Appreciate your condolences, ++Ken++

larryC - 12-1-2009 at 08:11 AM

Here are 2 e-mails that were forwarded to me about the incident in Gonzaga:

HELLO TROOPS,

We had a little excitement here at Gonzaga Bay. First, it rained, then it hailed!!!

This morning 4 guys tried to steal an airplane from in front of the Cantina. The plane had dogs inside it and they made so much noise that the owners came out and ran them off. Unknown to us about the airplane, the guys ran down the beach and into our front yard. One claimed to be a policeman and he said that a car was stuck in the mudd and he needed my truck. He kept saying keys, He was nervous and in a hurry. I told him to go talk to dad in the back yard. He wanted the keys to my truck. He opened the door and of course the keys were not in it. He told dad again that he needed the truck. Dad said no, bull chit, at this time I let Katie out to the back yard, they took off. We did not see the gun that this impersonator had. We immediately jumped in my truck and went to the Catina to see if Antonio or Jaquin needed any help regarding anything and to check out this story. At that time we found out that they had tried to steal the plane. I got in my truck and started going down the beach to warn others not to give them any keys. I was too late. They had gone to Jay's and the thief did the same thing saying he was a policeman, This time he showed Jay a gun and wanted his truck. Jay said no, I will drive you thinking he was a policeman. They got into Jays truck and drove a few houses down and he pointed the gun at Jay and Jay got out of his truck and gave it to him. His other 3 guys had walked further down the beach and he picked them up.

Joaquin did an outstanding job of notifying the military and coordinating everything. This was very well planned as the guys had a nice truck, money and had stayed at the hotel the night before. Their mission was to steal the airplane. Their truck was not in camp, so they need to steal a truck to get away and possibly meet up with the other truck they were driving.

As you can imagine, most of the women freaked out. We are currently in a wait and see mode as military was coming from both San Quintin , Guerrero Negro, and the Chapala turn in The military at Alfonsinas was searching the local area. Joaquin gave them a full description of both the get away truck and Jays.................. In a few hours a search will be done to try and find Jay's truck. We think that they will dump it since it is bright red and easy to spot.

The good news is that Jay was not hurt in anyway. It could have turned out really ugly. There was no way to prevent this as the thieves stayed in the motel and appeared to be Mexican tourists. This is another sign of the times that the drug dealers are getting more desperate to steal planes................ My job was to try and keep everybody calm!!!!!!!!

Trucks are replaceable, people are not....................love..................leeeeeenda

and then this one:

Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 8:15 PM
Yes but it was this morning unless there was an addtional armed robbery. Yesterday afternoon a plane landed at Alfonsina's on their way to La Paz to spend the night because of weather. The attempted armed robbery happened this morning about 7 am the second successful armed robbery happend about 7:30. (The first attempt) Fortunately the pilot had 6 dogs that Antonio would not allow to stay in the Hotel so they had them stay in the plane. We don't know if there was an atempt last night because of the 6 dog but there certainly was one this morning, while the couple were getting ready to leave the robbers approached the wife and asked her to get the dogs out of the plane they got a little rough with her and the husband came and interrupted on her behalf telling them to leave her alone. One of the 5 robbers then showed them his gun and there was a lot of yelling but the wife wasn't giving it up. She started yelling for help and Juaquin got in his truck as saw it was serious and went to inform the military and Antonio showed up and chased them away. One of the guys took off in a Toyoda truck booking it down the road leaving behind the other 5 guys. The guys then started down the beach looking for a vehicle they stopped and the Wills saying they were police officers and that someone had stolen a plane and they needed transportation. Linda of course said no way then they preceded along the beach and asked several other houses if they had a truck they could use. I was on my computer watching down the beach and saw 5 guys coming down the beach in a hurry but the one guy that was lagging saw Marilyn and the walkers on their back porch beach side ( lots of wind) having their morning coffee and he went up and said he was a police officer and that someone had just stolen a plane showed them his gun and said he needed a ride. Jay said let me get my keys. I saw the police impersonater give the thumbs up to the other guys down the beach (I don't believe Jay knew the guy wasn't alone) and then he went up to Jay and Marilyns. He got in the truck with Jay, Jay was thinking he was giving him a ride to his vehicle or the military outpost. The other robbers met up with the truck just between our house and Sam and Janes they took out the gun and ordered Jay out of the truck and stole it. There has been an ongoing search but no truck. All the little towns and military have been alerted as well as Coco. They believe they are south bound and there is some thought that one guy has been left behind. The people with the plane took off I think out of pure panic because shortly after we got lots of hail, lightning and thunder I hope they made it out safely. So any planes here were not able to search from above. The runways is flooded from yesterdays and todays down pour. We were suppose to leave today but are waiting until tomorrow! The robbers spent the night at Alfonsina's last night if you can believe that! I feel so bad for Jay and Marilyn but the events happened so fast and Jay was just trying to be helpful I probably would of done the same thing. But not now! unless I know exactly who they are I'm keeping my doors locked. The good thing is they didn't keep him and they let him out and no one was injured. So sad that this is happening down here and I guess it's a good thing that we didn't take off because it would of been about the same time they made their foolish blundered attempt and since our plane wasn't parked in front of Alfonsina's and out of public view they may have had better luck. I think that is what made them abort their plan, there were to many people from the holiday weekend coming out of their houses to check out what was happening along with the guests at the Cantina. We think their getaway got scared and took off because while Monty was walking the dog and listening to the argument between the airplane owners and the robbers the truck took off faster than he has ever seen one drive on our road alone. It was after that, that the pilot came up to them and said those guys just tried to steal our plane.. I will update you as the news unfolds. Paula

Sorry if this is off topic.
Larry

bajabass - 12-1-2009 at 08:12 AM

Sorry to hear about your loss Ken. Meth has destroyed the lives of a couple siblings, and nieces and nephews affected through them. Legalize, control, tax, and treat. I agree 100%. About the truck. If you drive a druggie desired vehicle in Baja, you need to rig an ignition or fuel cutoff. This has been covered in at least one other thread that I know of. As far as hijacking(vehicles and aircraft, not threads), I would love to see a 1/4lb of C-4 triggered remotely, once the truck or plane is far enough away!! Do that a few times, and they may reconsider their sources of new transportation sources! Hope they find the truck soon, or it will never be seen again. Could be black already!

Santiago - 12-1-2009 at 08:23 AM

Thanks LC. Pretty damn scary.

monoloco - 12-1-2009 at 08:27 AM

Why didn't they use the plane to look for the truck?

Skipjack Joe - 12-1-2009 at 08:34 AM

Was it this young man who passed away Ken? You posted his picture some time ago.

Ken Bondy - 12-1-2009 at 08:53 AM

No Igor, that's my youngest son (now 36). The man we lost had a son (now 7 years old) with my oldest daughter. They never married but had an amicable relationship and shared custody of the boy. Technically he was not my son-in-law but I always considered that he was. This has been a terrible, tragic experience, hard to say how it's going to affect my grandson who adored his dad.

tripledigitken - 12-1-2009 at 09:13 AM

Ken,

So very sorry for your loss. Your Grandson will have alot of love from his family to help him through this.

Ken

Natalie Ann - 12-1-2009 at 10:07 AM

Oh Ken,

I'm ever so sorry to hear about the death of your son-in-law. My heart goes out to you and to his family, most especially his child.

I so agree with you about the legalization of drugs. How it is that so many do not see this is beyond me, but I think it has to do with folks making decisions out of fear instead of knowledge.

My prayers are with you and yours during this difficult time.

nena

Natalie Ann - 12-1-2009 at 10:09 AM

Truck thefts, attempted plane theft at Alfonsina's....
the real world has invaded heaven.
My heart aches.

nena

Skipjack Joe - 12-1-2009 at 10:12 AM

I feel your pain, Ken.

Losing a dad at 7 is pretty bad. Couldn't have been much worse, actually.

Perhaps you can get him involved in scuba diving. Take him on those weekly trips to Morro Bay. You have a pretty large family by now. If everyone closes rank it could really help a lot. Mexican families are very good at that kind of support.

I'm glad to hear it wasn't the kid in the picture. Somehow I've become attached to him.

BajaGringo - 12-1-2009 at 10:14 AM

So, so very sorry Ken.

TheColoradoDude - 12-1-2009 at 10:51 AM

If it was rumored that the nations supply of heroin, cocaine, and meth were tainted with anthrax, I believe 100% that the recreational use would stop. Simple to me, just stage a hollywood type production at a few clubs in the USA.

Barry A. - 12-1-2009 at 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by TheColoradoDude
If it was rumored that the nations supply of heroin, cocaine, and meth were tainted with anthrax, I believe 100% that the recreational use would stop. Simple to me, just stage a hollywood type production at a few clubs in the USA.

I don't think "they" (the users) care if they die---------seems to me that is what "they" are trying to accomplish anyway. So, probably won't work. :no:

Barry

DianaT - 12-1-2009 at 11:03 AM

So very sorry for your loss Ken. Lost my brother to an overdose and he also left behind a son.

And from family experience, and from working in the prisons, I have seen more than one side of the story---and like you, I believe legalization is the best answer, and also probably will not happen. And it has not always been illegal.

monoloco - 12-1-2009 at 11:08 AM

I am 100% for legalization. I don't care how many people kill their selves, I just don't want them breaking into my house to support their habit. Give them all they want, the sooner they die the less it will cost society.

toneart - 12-1-2009 at 11:58 AM

I am so sorry for your loss, Ken. We hope that your family can pull together to console and then raise the boy with lots of love.

Colorado Dude.
That is a pretty far fetched idea,Dude, but indeed a creative one. :spingrin:

Certainly better than the Drug Warpath that has not and never will work.

Sharksbaja - 12-1-2009 at 01:13 PM

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If it were rumored that if all alcohol were tainted with human feces that alcohol related deaths would decrease.

What if......????

See how ludicrous these arguments can be.
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Ken, what a sad day. It's helpful to know there are(you) others who can comfort and help the young man.
Lo siento amigo.

Sharksbaja - 12-1-2009 at 01:23 PM

Oh, and about that truck. Do they think the bad guys had time make an escape or are they out there somewhere holed up between Gonzaga and the only possible escape route(s) to a well traveled carrera?

surfer jim - 12-1-2009 at 06:00 PM

Next up...any comments on OBAMA'S speach tonight..... :lol:

David K - 12-1-2009 at 06:13 PM

I thought I read that the military checkpoint at Gonzaga was in operation again... Guess those theives just blew right by it and the one north of San Felipe? They had drigs and guns, right? At least guns!

Cap - 12-1-2009 at 08:47 PM

Before things get too conspiratorial, there are lots of ways to monitor flights coming in to Mexico. And alfonsina's is the perfect place to wait for a plane to come along, remote, well traveled by planes, property owners with planes etc. Not everyone is "in on it". I have had friends monitor my progress in flight on the Internet in near real time.
We could start arming pilots... Tsa be damned! Count your internationally valid pilot certificate as your carry permit. Oh, and hang plane thieves, just like horse thieves in the old west.
Sorry for the rant, I love gonzaga bay, and hate bullies. I'm sure you can guess my feelings about airplane thieves.

Steve&Debby - 12-1-2009 at 08:47 PM

The check in is San Felipe,I think??? Sounds like they need to get rid of the RAT in the airport

[Edited on 12-2-2009 by Steve&

ebby]

DianaT - 12-1-2009 at 08:53 PM

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Originally posted by Cap
Before things get too conspiratorial, there are lots of ways to monitor flights coming in to Mexico. And alfonsina's is the perfect place to wait for a plane to come along, remote, well traveled by planes, property owners with planes etc. Not everyone is "in on it". I have had friends monitor my progress in flight on the Internet in near real time.
We could start arming pilots... Tsa be damned! Count your internationally valid pilot certificate as your carry permit. Oh, and hang plane thieves, just like horse thieves in the old west.
Sorry for the rant, I love gonzaga bay, and hate bullies. I'm sure you can guess my feelings about airplane thieves.

Good information and yes Gonzaga is a popular place. Everytime we have been there there have been a few planes.

Bahia Asuncion was different. Not many planes land there, and the one stolen was a Mexican hospital plane---probably was an inside job with someone reporting when the plane was coming.

Is the Bahia de Los Angeles airport used by many and on a regular basis?

That is not to say there is not a rat in the system----very well could be.

[Edited on 12-2-2009 by DianaT]

Paulina - 12-1-2009 at 08:54 PM

Oops. My post copied three times. I tried to edit out the third copy and all three disappeared.

It must be a conspiracy that my posts just vanished....

Steve and Debby, I too smell a raton.

P<*)))>{

DianaT - 12-1-2009 at 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by Paulina
Oops. My post copied three times. I tried to edit out the third copy and all three disappeared.

It must be a conspiracy that my posts just vanished....

Steve and Debby, I too smell a raton.

P<*)))>{

That confirms it----they got your post. :biggrin:

It certainly would not be a surprise to find a rat.

arrowhead - 12-1-2009 at 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by Steve&ebby
The check in is San Felipe,I think??? Sounds like they need to get rid of the RAT in the airport

The rat was probably in Mexicali, recording flight plans.

[Edited on 12-2-2009 by arrowhead]

Pacifico - 12-2-2009 at 02:13 PM

Any update on the truck?

MontyF - 12-3-2009 at 08:46 AM

nope

capt. mike - 12-3-2009 at 01:18 PM

new hint on BBP is that it is being holed up out of site in the immediate area.
i.e. inside help.
malo negocio......

nobaddays - 12-3-2009 at 02:21 PM

You mean in Rancho Grande?

capt. mike - 12-3-2009 at 03:18 PM

didn't say - just that the feds quickly checked all the roads in and out for a long distance and the rig cannot be spotted.
they think it has been hidden in the area which allows a lot of places, ranchos, support staff - residential workers, a few businesses - what ever.
you'd be surprized how much civilization there is around even in remote places like gonzaga. From the air you see hundreds of shacks and ranchitos and campos all over the area, most of baja even.
poor people deserate will do most anything for some bucks.
i'm just sayin'.....i have no clue really.