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West of Catavina: Coastal route

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motoged - 11-30-2009 at 11:06 PM

Nomads,
I am planning some off-road (dirtbike) exploring west of Catavina towards Arroyo la Bocana, Punta/Puerto Canoa, and south through Punta Blanco to Punta Santa Rosalillita...

Any Nomads have experience with that region?

Gracias:saint:

surfer jim - 11-30-2009 at 11:19 PM

no experience...but when are you thinking about going?

motoged - 12-1-2009 at 01:03 AM

First week of February....no room for a surfboard...but will post pics if I survive;D

woody with a view - 12-1-2009 at 06:37 AM

Ged check U2U.

shari - 12-1-2009 at 08:38 AM

check in with Juan's cousins in Rosalillita (Martin Arce)and we'll have a board here for ya dude!!!

David K - 12-1-2009 at 08:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by motoged
Nomads,
I am planning some off-road (dirtbike) exploring west of Catavina towards Arroyo la Bocana, Punta/Puerto Canoa, and south through Punta Blanco to Punta Santa Rosalillita...

Any Nomads have experience with that region?

Gracias:saint:


Drove the coastal route highlighted below in 2007, full web page with photos of the 2007 trip is here: http://vivabaja.com/707




ROAD LOG: THE DISTANT PACIFIC

Road Log 194.7 miles from Hwy. 1 to Hwy.1

The route along the Pacific is a way one can experience a little of what it was like to drive the length of Baja before Highway 1 was constructed between 1967 and 1974 (Dec. '73).

The route shown on the map is almost 200 miles and there are no services or fuel until Santa Rosalillita or beyond at Villa Jesus Maria.

Total (and partial) mileage shown from my Tacoma odometer. AAA map mileages for the same section of road were the same or very close to mine.

0.0 (0.0) Take the signed right turnoff to 'Santa Catarina (32 km)' 46.9 miles from El Rosario's Pemex. The road is between Km. 132 and 133. Just ahead (on Hwy. 1) is the road left to Guayaquil.

This is a good, fast graded road for the first 30 or so miles and it is fun to drive through beautiful cactus gardens.

7.2 (7.2) Road in from left to San Agustin along the old route from El Marmol... where onyx blocks were trucked to the Pacific at Santa Catarina Landing to be shipped north.

19.2 (12.0) pass through tree shaded Rancho Santa Catarina.

21.1 (1.9) Fork, left to Punta Canoas and right for Santa Catarina Landing... we go right. The road climbs to the the top of a ridge and then drops down to the coastal plain. The original road used to haul onyx over can be seen to the north.

36.3 (15.2) Fork, we first take right fork and it goes 3.4 miles to fish camp 'Punta Blu'... dead end, so back to this fork and take left branch.

37.3 (1.0) Road left is the route south... ahead goes 1.0 mile to Santa
Catarina fish camp, on the beach.

38.1 (0.8) Turn left and head away from coast.

47.3 (9.2) Come to the Punta Canoas road which forked at Mile 21.1 above. Turn right.

51.3 (4.0) Road to left... we continued straight.

52.3 (1.0) Road to left... we continued straight.

55.2 (2.9) Junction... Ahead goes 1.1 miles to high, look out/ view point, above Punta Canoas... To continue south, turn left.

58.5 (3.3) Join with road heading south (probably coming from the roads that turned left at Mile 51.3 and 52.3).

62.0 (3.5) Puerto Canoas Fish Camp.
Reset odometer to 0.0 for the next section of the road log.
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0.0 (0.0) Puerto Canoas Fish Camp.
We first travel across the arroyo valley to investigate a modern, large home/ building near the beach... then head east.

1.8 (1.8) Big house facing beach on south side of arroyo. Head east, as no road is seen going south, close to the beach.

The auto club map shows the road we are on and we make camp at Mile 8.0 at the base of a pointy hill... about where the mileage '13.9' is shown on the AAA map.

The Baja Almanac only shows this road as a trail. Our first night camp is to the east of the word 'Mujeres' (an arroyo) on Almanac Map 17.

17.4 (15.6) Pass a pair of graves and come to a cross road at an abandoned ranch. This should be the road from Hwy. 1 near Cataviña going to Faro San Jose. We turn right.

19.6 (2.2) Cross road, fenced entrance. Continue ahead.

21.5 (1.9) Join newer, graded road... continue ahead.

22.6 (1.1) Green school(?), fork to right.

33.1 (10.5) Road in from right, continue ahead.

35.5 (2.4) Fork, go right.

37.4 (1.9) Road to El Mirador to right, continue ahead.

39.6 (2.2) Arroyo San Jose fish camp.

We want to stay near to the coast, and find a poor 'Jeep' road that does just that. After 6 slow miles we near Bahia Corbin and drive out onto the point on the north side of the bay for a lunch break. Finally, a beautiful looking beach... but a fish camp is there, too.

46.0 (6.4) Bahia Corbin, north end camping area on side road, just off coastal road.
Reset trip odometer to 0.0.
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0.0 (0.0) Bahia Corbin. Return short distance to coastal road by fish camp and continue south.

8.8 (8.8) Arroyo La Pintada valley and road to east (to Laguna Chapala?).

10.4 (1.6) A second road going east which I am pretty sure is the unmapped road to Laguna Chapala on Hwy. 1.

16.0 (5.6) Road to coast at Bahia Blanco. We continue south.

The main road swings inland along Arroyo El Sauz, but we see a lesser dirt road cutting across the marsh (was dry) area staying nearer the coast and take it. This is not shown on the AAA map or Almanac.

21.7 (5.7) Meet newly graded roadbed on south side of Arroyo El Sauz. This soon follows the 'poor' road location shown on the Almanac and AAA map.

29.3 (7.6) After lots of silt on the graded roadbed we come to the north-south (now graded) road between Cordonices and Punta Maria. We turn right on the fast road, or better called 'dirt highway'.

34.5 (5.2) Road to right goes to Punta Cono. We continue south.

42.2 (7.7) Bahia Maria beach, near Punta el Diablo

43.0 (0.8) El Cardon ranch.

46.1 (3.1) Road to beach 0.4 mi., just south of Punta Lobos.

We are pooped from so much hard driving and want to make camp, so we go to the beach for a look.

We drive down the beach to find a camp site in the Valle los Ojitos dunes. A sea lion (lobo) is on the shore... photos.
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0.0 (0.0) Beach road (Punta Lobos/ Valle los Ojitos)

6.8 (6.8) Road west to El Marron fish camp (near Punta Prieta/ Punta Negra). Road (or dirt highway here) heads away from the coast around the Sierra San Andres.

17.0 (10.2) Cross Arroyo San Andres

17.2 (0.2) Road west signed to '3 Alejandras' (Puerto San Andres).

21.1 (3.9) Come to PAVED Santa Rosalillita highway, turn right for the coast. (Hwy. 1 is about 8 miles to the left)

22.1 (1.0) FORK, Escalera Nautica Harbor is 1.2 miles to right. Straight ahead goes to:

22.5 (0.4) Santa Rosalillita village on the beach. Gas and supplies available.

Reset trip odometer to 0.0 for the final section of this coastal road log to Hwy. 1 via Punta Rosarito.
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0.0 (0.0) Santa Rosalillita. Take street parallel to the coast south... road soon turns inland and crosses Arroyo Santo Dominguito, eventually returning nearer the beach.

This is a slow, rough road and is only advisable if you seek a wide, sand beach that stretches for miles in both directions.

11.0 (11.0) Road to west to coast at Punta Rosarito.

15.4 (4.4) Road has been following a rocky shore for a few miles and now leaves the coast.

18.1 (2.7) Highway 1 at Km. 63 (63 kilometers south of the Bahia de los Angeles junction).

Nuevo Rosarito is almost 7 miles north and Villa Jesus Maria (Pemex station) is 19.8 miles south.

Sunman - 12-1-2009 at 09:09 AM

I drove that entire route 3 weeks ago. U2U me if you have specific questions.

woody with a view - 12-1-2009 at 10:48 AM

Ged

told ya so!

David K - 12-1-2009 at 10:57 AM

It's a dirt road... not a secret, private driveway to the Seven Sisters...:lol::rolleyes:

The southern half is graded to highway standards (with kilometer posts) from the paved Santa Rosalillita highway north to Punta Cono and beyond... Thanks to the Mexican Government, 2WD sedans can now drive to most of the sacred surf points!

Bajahowodd - 12-1-2009 at 11:19 AM

DK- Perhaps you can point me in the right direction on this. At the time Highway 1 was paved, why was there no consideration of changing the alignment and run it down the coast? After all, it's not like it was connecting to much of anything with that turn inland.

David K - 12-1-2009 at 11:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
DK- Perhaps you can point me in the right direction on this. At the time Highway 1 was paved, why was there no consideration of changing the alignment and run it down the coast? After all, it's not like it was connecting to much of anything with that turn inland.


Good question!

Some reasons might be:

The original main road down Baja was in the center south of El Rosario, so the highway stayed close to it for construction access... ?

Staying in the center allowed equal access to both Pacific and the gulf coast... the gulf resorts of Gonzaga and L.A. Bay were a zillion times greater attraction than the foggy, cold Pacific coast to most. Commercial fishermen and the off road surfers just didn't seem to justify a Pacific coast highway route... ?

The Pacific route had more difficult terrain... ?

Just think if they had built the road along the Pacific... what would the hard core secret surfers do?

Anyway, that dirt road is no secret, it was the 1975 Baja 1000 race course, been in books and maps since the 1950's, at least any new details on that old road posted here on NOMAD is not on bookstore shelves or nes stands today... It's for us, members of Baja Nomads... Where we are supposed to share Baja travel information with each other. There are actually a lot of Nomads who don't surf and may just want to drive a dirt road for a couple hundred miles without seeing any other cars, highways, towns! Bring a jacket and windbreaker, however!

Sharksbaja - 12-1-2009 at 11:55 AM

So much for discovery, eh. :rolleyes:

Bajahowodd - 12-1-2009 at 12:06 PM

I often wondered about the terrain issue, as I was climbing a steep grade into a hairpin turn on the paved road. I understand that certain folks appreciate the difficulty in reaching some of those "secret' surf spots.

DEVEAU - 12-1-2009 at 12:29 PM

Just got back, 4 guys on Bikes, 5 days, no Chase Truck.

http://www.spotadventures.com/trip/view/?trip_id=182880

The gaps in the track are kind of secret, I was asked not to share.

Sunman - 12-1-2009 at 12:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I often wondered about the terrain issue, as I was climbing a steep grade into a hairpin turn on the paved road. I understand that certain folks appreciate the difficulty in reaching some of those "secret' surf spots.


If you look at the terrain view in google maps it's pretty obvious why. There are some seriously unnavigable (real word?) mountainous areas in there. You can see how the road actually takes the easiest route through that area.

woody with a view - 12-1-2009 at 01:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by soulpatch
But isn't the original question asking for experience on that area? Not to bust your balls but sometimes ya gets whats ya ax for.

Quote:
Originally posted by woody in ob
Ged

told ya so!


no problems here! i just asked to leave some gaps in the report, like DEVEAU did. and also pointed out that a map would be forth coming.... lucky guess on my part, right?:rolleyes:

motoged - 12-1-2009 at 02:55 PM

You guys are why I like BN ;D:saint:

I will contact some of you by U2U for info....as for this thread, my main questions are:

1) First week of February...what are temp and fog
conditions like?
I am thinking it is cold and foggy in morning and late
afternoon???

2) I am wondering if fishcamps have gas.... I have a 5 gal tank on bike and

3) I do not plan on camping and want to do the route in one day...will not do the northern section closest to El Rosario, but will enter boulder fields 5-8 miles north of Catavina and head towards Arroyo El Bocano and head south from there...

Trip planning is so much fun...:bounce:

David K - 12-1-2009 at 03:05 PM

El Rosario on the north end and Villa Jesus Maria on the south end. There was a sign at Santa Rosalillita advertising gasolina for sale.

The other fishcamps may have gasoline for their outboard motors and may not be able to spare any extra for tourists... However, I did not need any, so didn't ask. It was close to 250 miles from El Rosario to Villa Jesus Maria, and I was on empty... (four wheel drive used on the coast road north of the graded section, decreases mileage a bit)

David K - 12-1-2009 at 03:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DEVEAU
Just got back, 4 guys on Bikes, 5 days, no Chase Truck.

http://www.spotadventures.com/trip/view/?trip_id=182880

The gaps in the track are kind of secret, I was asked not to share.


Nice trip! Looks like the route to San Ignacio south of El Barril via Trinidad is back open... You may have used some of the Jesuit El Camino Real between Trinidad and San Marta!

Hope you have photos to share!

Thank you!

wessongroup - 12-1-2009 at 04:09 PM

Went South of El Rosario about 75 or more miles back in 1970..

That was all we could take in the Toyota Land cruiser (capable unit, but a very hard ride) ... we fought to see who got to drive as that was the best spot to not get your head into the roof...

We only spent the night and then turned around and came back, it was just a lark.. really rough "road"????

David K - 12-1-2009 at 04:11 PM

Even with the best of maps, GPS, photos of the area... you cannot take the mystery out of Baja. Nothing compares with being there... Photos, maps, trip reports only can HINT at what will be found when one goes there. The purpose of the trip details and maps is one of SAFETY. Know where you are in relation to assistance, help, food, fuel... What roads go where... which saves the enviroment from unnecessary back tracking and fuel consumption... The details may save a life or at least help to have a great trip.

Bajahowodd - 12-1-2009 at 04:17 PM

Just goes to show that our society, in general, will be more and more dependent on resources that didn't exist just a few years ago. The next generation of Baja aficionados will have internet phones, GPS, and who knows what? Whatever happened to the idea of trying to disappear?

motoged - 12-1-2009 at 04:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
<snip....Whatever happened to the idea of trying to disappear?


BH,
That is kind of my intention...to see some terrain new to me without disappearing for real....just temporarily removing myself from samsara :light:

I like my adventures to have some modicum of foresight, but expect the unexpected.

"Risk" is the "proximity to danger"....I try to manage it more than eliminate it....so Nomad comments about the area in question are helpful in that management....

woody with a view - 12-1-2009 at 04:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Even with the best of maps, GPS, photos of the area... you cannot take the mystery out of Baja. Nothing compares with being there... Photos, maps, trip reports only can HINT at what will be found when one goes there. The purpose of the trip details and maps is one of SAFETY. Know where you are in relation to assistance, help, food, fuel... What roads go where... which saves the enviroment from unnecessary back tracking and fuel consumption... The details may save a life or at least help to have a great trip.


not everyone wants their hand held.

David K - 12-1-2009 at 05:04 PM

I don't insist anyone look at what I post here. BUT...

Why have or go to a Baja forum if one doesn't have Baja stuff to read about?

I don't think most people come here just so they cannot read or see about places to go in Baja. This is supposed to be a place where friends/ fellow Nomads exchange information and share... You know give a little back for all that you take...

DEVEAU - 12-1-2009 at 05:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Quote:
Originally posted by DEVEAU
Just got back, 4 guys on Bikes, 5 days, no Chase Truck.

http://www.spotadventures.com/trip/view/?trip_id=182880

The gaps in the track are kind of secret, I was asked not to share.


Nice trip! Looks like the route to San Ignacio south of El Barril via Trinidad is back open... You may have used some of the Jesuit El Camino Real between Trinidad and San Marta!

Hope you have photos to share!

Thank you!


We failed on the photo mission, we have very few. It's hard to grasp the view with just a snapshot.

We were wondering if the "road" from San Marta to the coast was back from the time of the Missions? It pretty much followed the wash.

From Trinidad to El Barril was very doable on a bike, just a real long day, hard to follow in places.

Curt63 - 12-1-2009 at 06:09 PM

A long time ago (June 2006) St. Rosalillita had jug gas at the only abarrotes in town.

For some reason we just loved this picture. I'm not sure why. We even had a nickname for this lady...I can't seem to remember it.




Another bit of advice for fish camps. The one medium of exchange they cant refuse is lingerie. This stuff is not readily available down there and you would be surprised how many lobster you get.

If they have gas, they will trade for it!

David K - 12-1-2009 at 06:10 PM

Post counts have nothing at all to do with anything I do on Nomad... Wouldn't mind at all if Doug did away with the ranking system.

I enjoy reading about everyone's trips, where they went, what they saw... We all 'take' something from Nomad... that's what is here for... us Nomads!

Now, about the giving... some give a lot, some a little (reports, answers, info., photos)... some would like to post photos but haven't figured out how... doesn't matter. Having a good Baja amigo spirit says more... No need to u2u secret messages... that is there for phone numbers or other non-Internet stuff between friends.

Just what do you say to book authors/ map makers who have published that road along the Pacific coast? Do you really think you have some special right to bad mouth anything that gets close to the Seven Sisters? I went by there in 2007 and have no interest in surfing. I had the AAA map and Baja Almanac and the Lower Ca Guidebook to compare notes with what I found.

I really don't get what you are affraid of? So many fewer people are going to Baja because they are affraid or they are broke, than the years before 2009.

I have published the photos, maps and location of my favorite camp area (Shell Island) for years here. The place is just as beautiful and perfect as it was when I first camped out there in 1978. The Cortez side gets a ton more vacation people than your foggy Pacific Sisters... What are you protecting out there? Isn't the ocean big enough for another Nomad surfer to enjoy, too?

If you have an issue with opening the place up, take it up with the Mexican government who is building a very good road north from Santa Rosalillita. Good roads will mess up a place, not road logs or maps.

woody with a view - 12-1-2009 at 06:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Curt63
A long time ago (June 2006) St. Rosalillita had jug gas at the only abarrotes in town.

For some reason we just loved this picture. I'm not sure why. We even had a nickname for this lady...I can't seem to remember it.




Another bit of advice for fish camps. The one medium of exchange they cant refuse is lingerie. This stuff is not readily available down there and you would be surprised how many lobster you get.

If they have gas, they will trade for it!


is that a jug of octane booster? there is a 10,000 gallon PEMEX tank at the marina now. the ? is, is there any gas in it? or is it for the boats who use the escalera nautica?:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

edit: BTW, what is a crusty old fisherman gonna do with lingerie?????

and more important, why are you carrying it around with you????:lol::light::lol::?:

[Edited on 12-2-2009 by woody in ob]

woody with a view - 12-1-2009 at 06:19 PM

like i said......



Quote:

you have no idea what i take! you can have the last word now... or continue shining the spotlight on yourself, i've been down this road before....



you just don't get it! i understand!!!:barf:

DianaT - 12-1-2009 at 06:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by woody in ob


is that a jug of octane booster? there is a 10,000 gallon PEMEX tank at the marina now. the ? is, is there any gas in it? or is it for the boats who use the escalera nautica?:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


Build it and they will come, yes build it and they will come. If there is gas in that tank, I hope it is a strong tank that will protect the gas for a VERY long time :lol::lol::lol:

mtgoat666 - 12-1-2009 at 06:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by woody in ob
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
I don't insist anyone look at what I post here. BUT...

Why have or go to a Baja forum if one doesn't have Baja stuff to read about?

I don't think most people come here just so they cannot read or see about places to go in Baja. This is supposed to be a place where friends/ fellow Nomads exchange information and share... You know give a little back for all that you take...


you have no idea what i take!

you can have the last word now... or continue shining the spotlight on yourself, i've been down this road before....

give the info u2u sometime. not all Nomads NEED to see their
post count rise. try viagra.....


i hate to admit this, but in this case i partly agree with DK. publishing the main travel roads is helpful and what armchair travelers like DK have done since dawn of time.
i do agree with Woody that DK should not publish locations/info on surf breaks, archaeolgical sites and other "sensitive" sites,... let people figure it out for themselves, and hopefully slow the rush to crowding.

woody with a view - 12-1-2009 at 06:33 PM

like i said goat, send a u2u once in awhile. hasn't this been beat to death? there is a sensitive area (does it really matter what the subject matter is?) that some folks use regularly. our hero, dk never uses it but is ALWAYS shining the light on his narcissitic (sp?) ego just to push other folks buttons. he knows before he posts his map to those "ugly fish camps" as he called them. send a u2u, defer once in awhile. let someone else take the discussion private. i'm not into censoring dk or anyone. so far my u2u's are 4-0 against, you guessed it, dk.

i'm not trying to claim local guy status. i'm just trying to beat a dead horse. someday, on a single track - Neptune willing!!!!:biggrin:

Skipjack Joe - 12-1-2009 at 07:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Curt63
Another bit of advice for fish camps. The one medium of exchange they cant refuse is lingerie. This stuff is not readily available down there and you would be surprised how many lobster you get.


How do you know what size to get. :lol::cool:

Quote:
Originally posted by woody in ob
[DK]...just to push other folks buttons.


Absolutely. He gets off on getting people agitated. This entire thread could have been handled differently. You have to wonder: where's the satisfaction.

Crusoe - 12-1-2009 at 07:11 PM

All this "SECRET STUFF" is just more amusing B.S..... This part of Baja is rugged and remote.....Saying that, we have to realize it has been traversed by hundreds of people over the last 40 years or so. Desert Vagabonds, surfers, fisherman, miners, explorerers, crminals on the lamb and the likes of who knows who. The area is no big secret.The surfbreaks all are available on the internet and guidebooks. Google is another whole story. People that want an adventure and are challanged in this quest will find lots to see if they go slow and pay attention to their surroundings. It is very doable. Not to worry that this area will ever become overrun or over used in our lifetime. ++C++

bajaandy - 12-1-2009 at 07:12 PM

Now now woody... lets not forget that not all that long ago you were the one asking the questions just like the OP. (True, we conversed via U2U more than on the board, but still...) And as far as I'm concerned, DK or anybody else can post all the damn maps and waypoints they want. Who gives a rats a$$? You can never, NEVER be prepared for what you're going to get into down there whether you've studied every inch of the map or not. It's ALWAYS going to be an adventure once you set your tires on that road.

I don't know this for sure, but my guess is that the old timers that used to follow hand drawn maps probably got a little miffed when maps and books came out telling "the masses" all about the places they used to get to only by memory. What I'm trying to say is that change is constant. There is always going to be someone improving the map. We live in a technological world. Most folks roll with it, some don't, some check out of it. But it ain't goin' away anytime in my lifetime. You can have all the technology money can buy, but it still won't take away the charm of Baja... especially when the batteries die, the clouds won't let you connect with the satellite, your tire goes flat and you've already used the spare, the catalytic converter fouls, the mass air flow sensor clogs, you thought you had more gas than you really do, you play the music too long and kill the truck battery, but the surf is firing and you're in Baja, so it's all good.

So motoged, get out there on that road and have some fun. Get lost on the wrong road and see where it goes. Take your time and look around closely... there are some AMAZING things to be seen along that piece of dirt track. Enjoy your time and write it all down so you can look back in ten years and read it and remember it. And if ya feel like it, share it.

It's all good.

mojo_norte - 12-1-2009 at 07:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajaandy
Now now woody... lets not forget that not all that long ago you were the one asking the questions just like the OP. (True, we conversed via U2U more than on the board, but still...) And as far as I'm concerned, DK or anybody else can post all the damn maps and waypoints they want. Who gives a rats a$$? You can never, NEVER be prepared for what you're going to get into down there whether you've studied every inch of the map or not. It's ALWAYS going to be an adventure once you set your tires on that road.

I don't know this for sure, but my guess is that the old timers that used to follow hand drawn maps probably got a little miffed when maps and books came out telling "the masses" all about the places they used to get to only by memory. What I'm trying to say is that change is constant. There is always going to be someone improving the map. We live in a technological world. Most folks roll with it, some don't, some check out of it. But it ain't goin' away anytime in my lifetime. You can have all the technology money can buy, but it still won't take away the charm of Baja... especially when the batteries die, the clouds won't let you connect with the satellite, your tire goes flat and you've already used the spare, the catalytic converter fouls, the mass air flow sensor clogs, you thought you had more gas than you really do, you play the music too long and kill the truck battery, but the surf is firing and you're in Baja, so it's all good.

So motoged, get out there on that road and have some fun. Get lost on the wrong road and see where it goes. Take your time and look around closely... there are some AMAZING things to be seen along that piece of dirt track. Enjoy your time and write it all down so you can look back in ten years and read it and remember it. And if ya feel like it, share it.

It's all good.


Right on!!

David K - 12-1-2009 at 07:35 PM

Crusoe and Andy get it, Skipjack doesn't... Is being friendly to people you have met, and have not met, really that foreign to some of you?

Anyway, Woody... take your anger out with the guy who wrote this book... becaue it is a guide to all the surf points in your sacred 7 sisters and the rest of Pacific Baja... marketed to SURFERS! 2nd edition, 2002. My road log was for off-roaders and because of the u2us you sent to me when I returned, I made the area less than appealing in my trip report and web page... Because you asked me to be negative about the area, I called thes fish camps ugly, and the area unattractive, etc. I never posted GPS waypoints of any surf spots (if I even knew where they were) yet you make it sound as if I did. I try and be nice and considerate to your issues, and still you act the way you do... Oh well...

Now, if you need the contact details on this guidebook... it is for sale at Discover Baja Travel Club.


TMW - 12-1-2009 at 07:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by motoged
You guys are why I like BN ;D:saint:

I will contact some of you by U2U for info....as for this thread, my main questions are:

1) First week of February...what are temp and fog
conditions like?
I am thinking it is cold and foggy in morning and late
afternoon???

2) I am wondering if fishcamps have gas.... I have a 5 gal tank on bike and

3) I do not plan on camping and want to do the route in one day...will not do the northern section closest to El Rosario, but will enter boulder fields 5-8 miles north of Catavina and head towards Arroyo El Bocano and head south from there...

Trip planning is so much fun...:bounce:


We've done the Catavina to Santa Rosalillita and out to the hwy on XR500 bikes with the stock 3.4 gallon tanks. I would suggest you carry an extra gallon or two to be safe. The fish camps may have extra gas to sell but I would only count on them in an emergency.

mojo_norte - 12-1-2009 at 07:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K[/
If you have an issue with opening the place up, take it up with the Mexican government who is building a very good road north from Santa Rosalillita. Good roads will mess up a place, not road logs or maps.


Details on this new road north from Santa Rosalillita?!

motoged - 12-1-2009 at 07:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajaandy
snip<....So motoged, get out there on that road and have some fun. Get lost on the wrong road and see where it goes. Take your time and look around closely... there are some AMAZING things to be seen along that piece of dirt track. Enjoy your time and write it all down so you can look back in ten years and read it and remember it. And if ya feel like it, share it. It's all good.



Thatsa whatta Ima gonna do;D

I will spend several days plunking in that area this next trip...as part of this winter's 2-week ride....several days in Bahia Asuncion enjoying that area for the first time, as well...I have done a variety of rides all up and down the peninsula, and am beginning to do the "I always wanted to do that" rides.


I still want info on February fog conditions along that area....cold I can handle (Canadian, eh !!)

I will be taking lots of pics as that is what I do when I explore. I write ride reports and share them...and will try and respect the notion of "special spots" as I tend to not want some of them too public as well (rightly or wrongly).


:no::no::no: I was tremendously saddened last week when a friend returned from Baja and told me that one of my favourites, Bahia San Francisquito, has seen the wrecker's ball and all the palapas have been bulldozed and that there isn't any place to stay there any more....:barf::barf::barf:

I hope it isn't true, despite his insistence:?::?::fire::fire:


In the meantime....what about February fog habits????

I will U2U the rest of our little secret society later once I collate the offered info with my Google Earth/Almanac research so far.


I will gas up and ride, try not to crash and get back before running out of gas....the rest will be my adventure.

woody with a view - 12-1-2009 at 08:05 PM

it seems so long ago!

you're right Andy. i just like the way DEVEAU handled it.

i was really glad to meet up with, you way out there. i still hope to roll up on you with a jug of 'killya at that spot someday. last time there i looked for blue lagoon cove, but i wasn't able to find it.... next time, always next time!

that being said, my point is spelled out above, again....

woody with a view - 12-1-2009 at 08:15 PM

david, that book is a rip off of something called "the surf report." guess what that's about? i got a copy when i was 17. it took me a couple of years (!) to finally head out there. it has, word for word, the same descriptions of most spots. it doesn't give turn by turn directions. it isn't some bible, *****************. it leaves some of the allure to the imagination.

******************************************************

[Edited on 12-2-2009 by BajaNomad]

woody with a view - 12-1-2009 at 08:46 PM

Ged

not much fog but the rains might be ample this winter. it'll be cold and damp and maybe windy. or not! if you are just passing thru it won't really matter. where do you plan to overnight? GN?

Santiago - 12-1-2009 at 09:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Curt63
Another bit of advice for fish camps. The one medium of exchange they cant refuse is lingerie. This stuff is not readily available down there and you would be surprised how many lobster you get.

If they have gas, they will trade for it!


Curt: not a bad idea but how are we gonna esplain to our wives why we're taking teddys to Baja??? To trade for gas? Even SWMBO is not that gullible.

Oh - and what the heck are the guys in the fish camps doing with this stuff????

Sharksbaja - 12-1-2009 at 09:56 PM

:lol::lol::lol:
Go Woody!


:bounce::bounce::bounce:

David, why must you .......?

motoged - 12-1-2009 at 11:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by woody in ob
Ged....not much fog but the rains might be ample this winter. it'll be cold and damp and maybe windy. or not! if you are just passing thru it won't really matter. where do you plan to overnight? GN?


Woody, I will be riding from San Felipe with a half dozen guys on a trail from just south of Puertecitos over to around El Marmol and overnight in Catavina. The guys will continue south by serious trail to Gonzaga and then down to a friend's in BoLA, from where they will continue south to San Juanico before they head back up north.

I plan to explore the Catavina area for a few days before I head south to Asuncion for a few days...and maybe hook up with my friends in San Ignacio for the trip north...we may go from San Ignacio up through Santa Marta to El Barril and north that way....

But as any good trip is, there will be many plan transitions:lol:

BajaNomad - 12-2-2009 at 12:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Curt63
Another bit of advice for fish camps. The one medium of exchange they cant refuse is lingerie. This stuff is not readily available down there and you would be surprised how many lobster you get.

If they have gas, they will trade for it!


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Packoderm - 12-2-2009 at 12:09 AM

About secret surfing spots: I elected not to learn to surf due to the ugliness associated with such secrecy and cliques. I might vote to keep coastal access for beach combing and environmental reasons, but I'd never stand up and vote for surfer's access if such a choice was available to me. The "I got mine - now you keep out" is such an ugly counterpart to the Aloha spirit. Windsurfers, divers, and other sports enthusiasts don't seem to suffer from this deficiency to nowhere near the extent of surfers.

As for DK's mile for mile (or was it km for km) road log, I just glanced and noticed it was a road log, and I plan to check it out more closely later. If I could merely glance, then I don't see how it could be a spoiler for anybody who chooses it not to be. Myself, I prefer reading about things first - then it feels like each attraction is that much more special. I skipped Camp Gecko for 10 years because I didn't read about it. I missed out because I explored the BOLA area on my own.

Lay off DK, unless he is spouting non-relevant political rhetoric on the Main Topic area that is. The Off Topic is the place for that.

BajaNomad - 12-2-2009 at 12:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by woody in ob
Quote:
Originally posted by Curt63



is that a jug of octane booster?

Just a tidbit of a suggestion - for future reference - from someone formerly in the business.... the octane boosters that work the best will be packaged in metal containers, not plastic.

Aromatics, not alcohol.

:yes:

BajaNomad - 12-2-2009 at 12:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DianaT
Quote:
Originally posted by woody in ob
there is a 10,000 gallon PEMEX tank at the marina now. the ? is, is there any gas in it?


If there is gas in that tank, I hope it is a strong tank that will protect the gas for a VERY long time
Many of the petroleum vehicles have the ability to pump the gas out of the tanks if need be. Even if water's gotten into the tank(s), it's heavier than the gasoline and settles on the bottom, and the gas can be pumped off the top.

They would not let it go to waste, as we all know.

:)

-
Doug

Ryan - 12-2-2009 at 12:30 AM

FYI - there is a small but aggressive group on this board that considers this stretch their own little area 51 and they get all worked up over it if anyone brings it up. As far as I can tell, this region is the only place in Baja that brings possessive ethug lurkers out of the woodwork (or Southern Ca where they all reside).

Sharksbaja - 12-2-2009 at 01:47 AM

You nailed it! It's a simple enuff concept. You spend and have spent quality time in a place special to your likes and lifestyle. When Walmart or hoards of people descend upon a place it completely changes it's appeal, that is, for the old timers.

My "secret spot" in SoCal now boasts a Trump golf course. You can understand my angst. I used to pull 20-30 lb bugs off those reefs below there.

DK states it over and over and over "Bad roads = good people....Good roads = bad people.

What is it about his own words that contradict his philosophy or rather the one he continually quotes. That's what I don't get. Does he actually want a place overrun or overdiscovered, overshared???

Has he ever considered that could happen? I mean really, there are plenty of very wealthy people in the world ready willy-nilly to go about spending millions of dollars to define themselves in the form of some ostentatious development in paradise. Hey, they can prove themselves and what better place than...er...ahem.... Baja.

There is a phase: "Too much info" and I think it applies here. Afterall, it's not OUR country to go and divulge ALL it's special places. I'd prefer to leave that to THEM or discover for myself. We don need no steenkeen overzealous gringo trail-frickin, map makin' guide in our neighbors country.

I would resent them doing the same thing here. :smug:

[Edited on 12-2-2009 by Sharksbaja]

motoged - 12-2-2009 at 02:01 AM




Chill you guys....I was asking for info on an area of interest....some folks have been incredibly helpful and I appreciate that.

I didn't want a thread hijack roasting anybody....unless I start it :lol::lol::lol:

Take it somewhere else....I am on no one's side in particular, but some folks are pooping in my sandbox here.

I don't mind a good bashing, but please stick to my topic or ....else I'll squish you like a bug.:lol::lol::lol:

Sharksbaja - 12-2-2009 at 02:09 AM

So this is all new to you? I think not. But you are right amigo, sorry, not my place to take this old subject to bat.

Have a great experience Ged. Hope you can bring home that element of mystique and discovery we all seek.

[Edited on 12-2-2009 by Sharksbaja]

k-rico - 12-2-2009 at 03:28 AM

well this thread cured my insomnia

one remark about road logs, I have no use for them. I can't even remember to reset my odometer when I buy gas to figure out mileage. same rig for 6 years and i can only guess at the mileage it gets

plus to use a road log and see my odometer i'd have to switch from my myopia glasses to my presbyopia glasses, wipe the dirt off the instrument cluster, retilt the steering wheel, read the road log and odometer, and think, all while driving. where do i set the beer/coke/coffee/chips/surfstick? and will you please stop this dog from licking my face!

not for me, in my book the people that put them together are, well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,different strokes for different folks.

fill her up and go. what time is it and where's the sun? oh, that looks like an interesting road, let's see where it goes. and if it's a great break, i've never been there.



[Edited on 12-2-2009 by k-rico]

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David K - 12-2-2009 at 08:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sharksbaja
You nailed it! It's a simple enuff concept. You spend and have spent quality time in a place special to your likes and lifestyle. When Walmart or hoards of people descend upon a place it completely changes it's appeal, that is, for the old timers.

My "secret spot" in SoCal now boasts a Trump golf course. You can understand my angst. I used to pull 20-30 lb bugs off those reefs below there.

DK states it over and over and over "Bad roads = good people....Good roads = bad people.

What is it about his own words that contradict his philosophy or rather the one he continually quotes. That's what I don't get. Does he actually want a place overrun or overdiscovered, overshared???

Has he ever considered that could happen? I mean really, there are plenty of very wealthy people in the world ready willy-nilly to go about spending millions of dollars to define themselves in the form of some ostentatious development in paradise. Hey, they can prove themselves and what better place than...er...ahem.... Baja.

There is a phase: "Too much info" and I think it applies here. Afterall, it's not OUR country to go and divulge ALL it's special places. I'd prefer to leave that to THEM or discover for myself. We don need no steenkeen overzealous gringo trail-frickin, map makin' guide in our neighbors country.

I would resent them doing the same thing here. :smug:

[Edited on 12-2-2009 by Sharksbaja]


There is no countradiction... Bad Roads=Good People... My road logs are of bad roads FOR good people... ie. Baja Nomads who want to drive bad roads.

NOTHING I POST here brings in people... The ROADS and their CARS bring them in. Only a tiny % of readers will go to the places I detail... As I said before, I freely share "my" favorite beach here.. and it is still just as beautiful as always!

pappy - 12-2-2009 at 09:33 AM

carry your own gas. not too many fish camps in the area. weather will probably be mild and sunny, with rain a good possibility-although annual rainfall in that area is under 4". however, it can flood out in a hurry if a good drencher hits. the devil winds can be real strong-50-60mph plus so be aware of those as well. other than that just head west and follow the track. that's how my girlfriend and i did it years ago.(well, a good friend told me where to turn off then basically said "you'll figure it out")

motoged - 12-2-2009 at 09:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sharksbaja
So this is all new to you? I think not. But you are right amigo, sorry, not my place to take this old subject to bat.


El Tiburon,
No surprise:lol::lol: and I am not really choked....just doing my middle-child peace-keeper routine.

Certainly an interesting read....

All the info has really answered the main questions...U2U's (not REALLY a secret cult) have filled in the blanks.

Gracias everyone...:saint:

Ryan - 12-2-2009 at 11:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by pappy
carry your own gas. not too many fish camps in the area. weather will probably be mild and sunny, with rain a good possibility-although annual rainfall in that area is under 4". however, it can flood out in a hurry if a good drencher hits. the devil winds can be real strong-50-60mph plus so be aware of those as well. other than that just head west and follow the track. that's how my girlfriend and i did it years ago.(well, a good friend told me where to turn off then basically said "you'll figure it out")


best post in the thread

Tomas Tierra - 12-3-2009 at 10:13 AM

Sharks....

20 to 30 pound bugs????? Come on man..

Sharksbaja - 12-3-2009 at 11:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tomas Tierra
Sharks....

20 to 30 pound bugs????? Come on man..



Ok, my biggest was just short of 28lbs. A couple 20ish and many 10-15. Hey my buddy got one even bigger one time but decided to cook it up on the rocks. All the lobster I ever took were by breathhold. No challenge with tanks in our group.

I've got some Ektachrome slides somewhere:lol:

Curt63 - 12-3-2009 at 11:23 AM

Hey Sharks, How about some GPS coordinates on that spot?:lol:

LancairDriver - 12-3-2009 at 02:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Quote:
Originally posted by Sharksbaja
You nailed it! It's a simple enuff concept. You spend and have spent quality time in a place special to your likes and lifestyle. When Walmart or hoards of people descend upon a place it completely changes it's appeal, that is, for the old timers.

My "secret spot" in SoCal now boasts a Trump golf course. You can understand my angst. I used to pull 20-30 lb bugs off those reefs below there.

DK states it over and over and over "Bad roads = good people....Good roads = bad people.

What is it about his own words that contradict his philosophy or rather the one he continually quotes. That's what I don't get. Does he actually want a place overrun or overdiscovered, overshared???

Has he ever considered that could happen? I mean really, there are plenty of very wealthy people in the world ready willy-nilly to go about spending millions of dollars to define themselves in the form of some ostentatious development in paradise. Hey, they can prove themselves and what better place than...er...ahem.... Baja.

There is a phase: "Too much info" and I think it applies here. Afterall, it's not OUR country to go and divulge ALL it's special places. I'd prefer to leave that to THEM or discover for myself. We don need no steenkeen overzealous gringo trail-frickin, map makin' guide in our neighbors country.

I would resent them doing the same thing here. :smug:

[Edited on 12-2-2009 by Sharksbaja]


There is no countradiction... Bad Roads=Good People... My road logs are of bad roads FOR good people... ie. Baja Nomads who want to drive bad roads.

NOTHING I POST here brings in people... The ROADS and their CARS bring them in. Only a tiny % of readers will go to the places I detail... As I said before, I freely share "my" favorite beach here.. and it is still just as beautiful as always!


Thanks for sharing David- This gives me an idea- I think I will fly the coast through there and video it and post the whole section on u-tube. Secret spots and all!

surfer jim - 12-3-2009 at 03:42 PM

Just do it....I'll be watchin' and wave when you fly overhead...:biggrin:

tripledigitken - 12-3-2009 at 03:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Quote:
Originally posted by Tomas Tierra
Sharks....

20 to 30 pound bugs????? Come on man..



Ok, my biggest was just short of 28lbs. A couple 20ish and many 10-15. Hey my buddy got one even bigger one time but decided to cook it up on the rocks. All the lobster I ever took were by breathhold. No challenge with tanks in our group.

I've got some Ektachrome slides somewhere:lol:



Those were some old bugs! A 25# lobster would be between 75 and 100 years old!

Wiles - 12-3-2009 at 04:49 PM

Would love to see those old slides. I think the largest spiny bug ever recorded was 26 lbs. Yours could be a record.

Skipjack Joe - 12-3-2009 at 05:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
NOTHING I POST here brings in people... The ROADS and their CARS bring them in.


:lol::lol::lol:

You gotta hand it to the guy. What convoluted logic.

It's not the directions. It's the ROADS and CARS.

:lol::lol::lol:

Why not the MECHANIC who serviced the car? Or the gas ATTENDANT who sold the gas? Or the IMMIGRATION office that stamped the tourist card?

Just when you think you've heard everything. Then comes this. Wow.

woody with a view - 12-3-2009 at 05:16 PM

i can't wait to hear the rebuttal....

rts551 - 12-3-2009 at 05:20 PM

It will be some thing like why is everyone always picking on me.

tripledigitken - 12-3-2009 at 05:26 PM

"'Viva Baja' Self Guided Tours
To help the Baja traveler decide what to visit, this web page will link you to trip photos, maps and road logs of various excursions from selected Baja destinations or base camps."

Isn't that the point? Why apologize for it.

dtbushpilot - 12-3-2009 at 06:50 PM

Keep up the good work DK, most of us appreciate your info and understand your motivation......dt

Crusoe - 12-3-2009 at 07:01 PM

Most of the time you do a great job David. Keep it up. Thanx ++C++:yes:

tripledigitken - 12-3-2009 at 07:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
I don't understand your question Ken... Have you been to that page of links? It is simply a quick way to find my photos of an area instead of searching through my (way to big to find it all) web site.


David,

My question/statement was "why should you apologize" for facilitating people to explore Baja. Your website has logs, GPS coordinates, stories, etc. all designed to help people follow in your footsteps. Nothing to be ashamed about. Not a slam at you at all.

Ken

David K - 12-4-2009 at 09:37 AM

Thank you Ken... I appreciate all of that.

Anyway, it was what Motoged asked for... info on the coastal route... not sure why those who don't share here reply if they don't plan of answering the request! LOL

Ken, have you heard from 'The squarecircle' lately? I know he is always wanting to go four wheeling... (We don't surf)

David K - 12-4-2009 at 09:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by dtbushpilot
Keep up the good work DK, most of us appreciate your info and understand your motivation......dt


Thanks David... I wish I could do more... It is that silly TIME VS. MONEY thing! When I have the money for a Baja expedition, I have limited or no time... NOW, with almost no work, I have lot's of time, but NO money for Baja!!! :no::mad:

Anybody out there in cyber space want to sponsor an adventure guidebook to off road Baja? I am ready and able to start on the project!:light:

woody with a view - 12-4-2009 at 10:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Anyway, it was what Motoged asked for... info on the coastal route... not sure why those who don't share here reply if they don't plan of answering the request! LOL


i'm pretty sure all of his ?'s were answered in private, just like the man said....

David K - 12-4-2009 at 10:44 AM

If it wasn't for Nomad, and people willing to share with others here... it wouldn't have been answered.

There are people who come here to read and never post...

If there was nothing posted of interest, then Doug's viewership would be in the pits. I want to help Doug keep Nomad on the Internet and having interesting and INFORMATIVE posts is how. Private u2u's and a secret surfer's clique isn't helping Baja Nomad, is it?

As far away as it is from civilization, does it really bother you to see or hear of someone else with a surfboard going there for a day or two, a year? Isn't Baja big enough? Do other Nomad surfers want to ruin it for you? I thought it was a the lack of a good swell or a new harbor construction that ruins it for surfers...

I just don't understand the selfish attitude of "this is mine now that I found it" :rolleyes:

Skipjack Joe - 12-4-2009 at 01:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by tripledigitken
David,

My question/statement was "why should you apologize" for facilitating people to explore Baja. Your website has logs, GPS coordinates, stories, etc. all designed to help people follow in your footsteps. Nothing to be ashamed about. Not a slam at you at all.

Ken


I think you missed the point, Ken. It was never a question of providing the information or withholding it. It was a question of providing it discretely or trumpeting it over the internet. If you go back you will see repeated statements by the surfers to "check your U2U". That is how they would have preferred to have their information be given. That is how they were transferring their knowledge.

This isn't the first time this subject has come up so David knew what to expect before he made the post. And knowing David it will occur again and again ad nauseum.

Neither you, nor I, nor David are surfers. We really don't know or understand their feelings about this area. But if you respect someone you try to walk in their shoes and try to understand where they are coming from. I mean that's what relationships are all about. I don't think that is taking place here.

Sunman - 12-4-2009 at 03:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Quote:
Originally posted by tripledigitken
David,

My question/statement was "why should you apologize" for facilitating people to explore Baja. Your website has logs, GPS coordinates, stories, etc. all designed to help people follow in your footsteps. Nothing to be ashamed about. Not a slam at you at all.

Ken


I think you missed the point, Ken. It was never a question of providing the information or withholding it. It was a question of providing it discretely or trumpeting it over the internet. If you go back you will see repeated statements by the surfers to "check your U2U". That is how they would have preferred to have their information be given. That is how they were transferring their knowledge.

This isn't the first time this subject has come up so David knew what to expect before he made the post. And knowing David it will occur again and again ad nauseum.

Neither you, nor I, nor David are surfers. We really don't know or understand their feelings about this area. But if you respect someone you try to walk in their shoes and try to understand where they are coming from. I mean that's what relationships are all about. I don't think that is taking place here.


Well said Skipjack.

I swore I wouldn’t get into this but here goes…

What is not understood by non surfers about the sport of surfing is that there is a FINITE number of waves on any given day. Additionally, there are not always waves on any given day.

If you go down to any SoCal beach when there is a swell and take a look at the number of surfers in the water, and then take note of how many rideable waves are coming in, it’s not hard to see that there isn’t enough to go around.

Then factor in the average working stiff generally gets only two days a week where one can actually engage in their sport, and also factor the odds of there actually being surf. And then once there is surf, well, you can see how it can get frustrating.

There are some places I go surfing where I will actually rationalize that if I get three waves in one session (2-3 hours) it was worth it. I’m not into localism and accept this as the cost of doing business, it’s just the way it is.

Also, It’s not like golf where there are tee times and everyone gets their turn. It’s not like a 4 wheel drive adventure where Pole-In-The-Line-Road is always gonna be there or that the missions and pictographs will always be there (debatable). How would you feel if you went golfing and only got to play 3 out of 18 holes because there were too many people? Or you went to your little secret bay to fish but there were literally boats gunwale to gunwale? I'm sure there are many fisherman who have their honey holes here they won't talk about.

The point is that as surfers, we go to Baja to ESCAPE the crowds (not that the rest of you don’t); it’s not that we want it ALL to ourselves. There is a HUGE difference here.

This is NOT a "this is mine now that I have found it" situation. Quite the contrary. When I run into other surfers in Baja I am happy to see them and they feel the same way. We share our food, water, booze (and waves) freely. We are a tribe.

What you may not be considering is that Google is a POWERFUL tool and when you use exact terms like S.S. and give precise information it makes it easier and maybe even motivates people who may not have had the guts or fortitude to get out there and figure it out for themselves...maybe even sends them out unprepared an ill equipt?

And that is part of what makes the place so special is that it does take effort and planning to get there. All we ask is that you be DISCREET. It's obviously not a secret but let folks figure it out for themselves or let it be sorted out by U2U.

Also, I'm not part of the "bash DK at every turn crowd".
You seem like a great guy DK and you provide a great service here. Simply try to respect the wishes of some of the people on the board. Peace, Love and Fish Tacos right?

Dig it.

David K - 12-4-2009 at 03:48 PM

Right... I do and have... and despite what others have you believe, I have NEVER promoted or given directions to SURF POINTS/ SURF BEACHES etc.

I am not a surfer, so I have no opinion on where one should surf. I just find it amazing that any of you who go to the 7 Sisters think it is fine for you to go, but nobody else? If you like it so much, how about explaing why you are to be an exception to your own rule? No wave at the 7 Sisters is ever going to look like ones at Huntinton Beach or Encinitas with that number of surfers on it.

I give my trip report about DIRT ROADS... my MAPS that show DIRT ROADS... roads used by anyone with the right vehicle. This post was from a motorcycle rider, not a surfer. Thinking the dirt roads in that area are only used by surfers is silly.

After Woody sent me u2u in 2007 following my trip along THAT coast, I edited my report to make it sound undesireable... calling it cold and foggy, saying the fish camps were 'ugly'!

I could have left the weather or fish camps part off as I originally wrote the report. Now, he bad mouths my report and my use of the word 'ugly fish camps' and it was for him that I called them that. There just is no pleasing some of the Nomads! :lol:

Have fun Sunman, where ever you go!

David K - 12-4-2009 at 04:05 PM

How about if someone asks a question on Nomad, and gets an answer... others don't jump on the Nomad for providing the answer?

We can't keep guessing at what dirt roads in Baja California are taboo to talk about. We are all supposed to be members of the same club... a club of Baja fans...

Man the yardarm!

Sharksbaja - 12-4-2009 at 04:07 PM



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Sunman - 12-4-2009 at 04:07 PM

I never said that it wasn't fine for others to go and there is no rule that i am the excpetion to.

My post was also meant to explain the logic to other non surfers.

Also you would be surprised at the crowds at certain areas there, you really have no idea.

mtgoat666 - 12-4-2009 at 04:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
No wave at the 7 Sisters is ever going to look like ones at Huntinton Beach or Encinitas with that number of surfers on it.


think you are wrongo againo, dk. I surfed scorpion bay in early 1990s and thought it was quiet and uncrowded. today i hear it is overrun with people (i haven't been back since early 90s)

dk: someday 7 sisters will be relatively overrun with people. even today you can visit 7 sisters area and find nasty gringo surfers that will subtly suggest you leave a beach or break.

still, it is nice to find an online source as to roads/conditions, so keep up the road logs, but if you ever start posting about my secret spots, well, i might give you the stink eye too :lol: luckily, you stay away from the mountains :lol::lol:

David K - 12-4-2009 at 04:13 PM

So there are 'crowds' there... who never before heard of the 7 Sisters or figured out how to get there without my 2007 trip report... really? I don't think so...

Sunman, my reply wasn't all to you... It was for the 'player haters' on Nomad. I am not sure why they are on an Internet Baja site if they don't want to see or share places to go to in Baja? :wow:

David K - 12-4-2009 at 04:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
No wave at the 7 Sisters is ever going to look like ones at Huntinton Beach or Encinitas with that number of surfers on it.


think you are wrongo againo, dk. I surfed scorpion bay in early 1990s and thought it was quiet and uncrowded. today i hear it is overrun with people (i haven't been back since early 90s)

dk: someday 7 sisters will be relatively overrun with people. even today you can visit 7 sisters area and find nasty gringo surfers that will subtly suggest you leave a beach or break.

still, it is nice to find an online source as to roads/conditions, so keep up the road logs, but if you ever start posting about my secret spots, well, i might give you the stink eye too :lol: luckily, you stay away from the mountains :lol::lol:


Scorpion Bay is not in the 7 Sisters... there is a difference.

Anyway, don't worry about YOUR secret spot... I won't tell!:lol:

DEVEAU - 12-4-2009 at 04:34 PM

I don't get it! All this bickering got my attention so I did a quick Google search and now know more about the infamous Se$%^ Sist$% than I ever wanted to know. I first rode that area in the late 80's and never knew it was so secret. I found it looking at the AAA map.

I guess this goes back to DKs 2007 trip report. These kinds of reports are very helpful to us dirtbike guys (like Ged). We have very limited fuel range.

David K - 12-4-2009 at 05:57 PM

Yah, it has a lot to do with safety to know where the roads go and how far it is to the other end. Knowledge or Ignorance, which one do you want on your side?;)

rts551 - 12-4-2009 at 06:03 PM

from spelling police to safety officer. pretty good promotion, David

woody with a view - 12-4-2009 at 06:03 PM

read the aaa map. log the miles. don't ask for hand holding - turn by turn directions. as we all know it ain't that hard to get there.

i think Sunman explained it as good as anyone (SkipJack, Sharks, others) but our hero just can't let it go.

it's pointless folks. d**k**** just needs the lime light.


someday, on a single track! Neptune willing.


:biggrin:

[Edited on 12-5-2009 by woody in ob]

ElFaro - 12-4-2009 at 09:57 PM

Punta Santa Rosalillita...

Myself and a friend 1st went to this point in 1974...right after the main highway was paved. Back then there was no village...only a couple of old trailers back off the beach used occasionally by fisherman? When we were there it was wind swept and cold (winter). Nobody lived out there...we were all alone camping...a little bit erie at night with the wind blowing constantly but off shore. There was a small break just south of the main point that had a good right we surfed. Today that break has been obliterated. We took the coast road south from there and came upon the "solitary grave on the right side of the road" just as was described in G&G's Lower Calif Guidebook. I stopped and got out and kinda wondered out in the middle of nowhere who it might have been who died so long ago. Probably a child?...lots of village cemeteries filled with children in Baja. Still very hard to get medicines and medical care by the poor in Baja. A few years ago I gave a couple a ride back to Erindira. They had borrowed rides to get to Ensenada to find treatment for their young sick child and were borrowing rides to get back to their hard scrabble life. Takes them all day or more.

Sharksbaja - 12-5-2009 at 12:27 AM

David promotes every, well almost every, aspect of tourism in Baja. Not that 90% isn't good, informative and legit. It's the other 10% he just can't help himself from.
Sound familiar Diver?:lol:
Still, ya gotta give him credit there as well. Who else do yu know that can take such a lickin' and keep on tickin'? :wow:
But out of respect for some the ol' regulars,please stfu. Nuff said.

woody with a view - 12-5-2009 at 06:45 AM

LOCK THIS THREAD!

BooJumMan - 12-5-2009 at 06:55 AM

Or delete it? :D

I dont mind it. The spots are fickle, winds are horrible, and colder than hell... either you go and try and find it, and get totally skunked, or hey -- you might just like the land and enjoy it. But, its the adventure part that is the best.

Crusoe - 12-5-2009 at 07:04 AM

You nailed it Boojum....++C++

David K - 12-5-2009 at 10:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ElFaro
Punta Santa Rosalillita...

Myself and a friend 1st went to this point in 1974...right after the main highway was paved. Back then there was no village...only a couple of old trailers back off the beach used occasionally by fisherman? When we were there it was wind swept and cold (winter). Nobody lived out there...we were all alone camping...a little bit erie at night with the wind blowing constantly but off shore. There was a small break just south of the main point that had a good right we surfed. Today that break has been obliterated. We took the coast road south from there and came upon the "solitary grave on the right side of the road" just as was described in G&G's Lower Calif Guidebook. I stopped and got out and kinda wondered out in the middle of nowhere who it might have been who died so long ago. Probably a child?...lots of village cemeteries filled with children in Baja. Still very hard to get medicines and medical care by the poor in Baja. A few years ago I gave a couple a ride back to Erindira. They had borrowed rides to get to Ensenada to find treatment for their young sick child and were borrowing rides to get back to their hard scrabble life. Takes them all day or more.


1962-1970 editions of Lower California Guidebook:








David K - 12-5-2009 at 10:48 AM

El Muertito, is just south of Punta Rosarito, AKA 'The Wall'.

Curt63 - 12-5-2009 at 07:34 PM

I'll be damned. David k is not the devil. Lets talk some some chit about Gerhard and Gullick for spoiling paradise.

woody with a view - 12-5-2009 at 11:40 PM

let's not!

how much have you paid them for the priviledge (sp?) of taking their word? or repaying for their time/gas?

go find it for yourself, like a real man.

nothing personal, unless you are a d**k****.

men are wilting in the shadow of DK! i have the u2u's where he states i told him to call a fish camp "ugly".

it's his call.

someday, on a single track.....

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