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Global Warming Fraud and Baja

Skeet/Loreto - 12-5-2009 at 08:22 AM

O. K> all of you Global Warming Children- Now that Warming has been discovered as a big Fraud What is going to be your next big thing to scare all of the folks going to Baja ??

Next thing you know I will not be allowed to entice the Dolphins to swim next to my Panga.

Looks like Houston Texas got left out of the Warming{Earlist Snow ever and second Snow in 4 years WOW!}

Skeet/Loreto

dtbushpilot - 12-5-2009 at 08:26 AM

Skeet, believers will tell you that it is snowing there BECAUSE of global warming.....and actually believe it to be true because AG said so... :lol:

woody with a view - 12-5-2009 at 08:28 AM

i heard slick willie clinton actually say because of global warming it should naturally be colder in some areas?!?@?#$?!?*?^?&? :?:

and to think many people believe this crap!

k-rico - 12-5-2009 at 08:29 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Next thing you know I will not be allowed to entice the Dolphins to swim next to my Panga.

That would be a drag. I always enjoy enticing dolphins to swim with my panga.

The Gull - 12-5-2009 at 08:31 AM

When Governator Arnold stands next to a map of SF harbor and shows $7 trillion of destruction due to rising sea level in the next 150 years, where does Baja go? Pretty neat trick when the last 11 years of global temperatures have been dropping each year.

Will the Maritime Exclusion Zone move with it? Will Foreigners be required to keep paying Fideocomiso fees on their undersea property holdings?

Reports of the scientists in England faking and changing the data that was the foundation for Gore's "documentary" can be found. He cancelled his appearance at the Copenhagen meeting next week because of Climate-Gate.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/03/al-gore-cancels-c...

http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2009/12/02/climategate-i...

Some scientists are now predicting a 30 year cycle of colder temps around the world. Buy extra serapes and get ready to move the boat ramps further out to sea.

rocmoc - 12-5-2009 at 09:03 AM

First let me state, I am NOT a believer!

If you are a believer, please take the time to read Chapter 5 of "Super Freakonomics" by Steve D. Levitt & Stephen J. Dubner. If you still believe, we can find some Arizona Mountain property soon to be beachfront for you to buy.

rocmoc n AZ/Mexico

Bajaboy - 12-5-2009 at 09:26 AM

Take this to off topic. It amazes me how many of you non-believers seem to follow science only when it is convenient for you.

Remember a time when Earth was flat? Of course the guys up at Scripps can't be taken seriously: http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=4460

[Edited on 12-5-2009 by Bajaboy]

bonanza bucko - 12-5-2009 at 09:30 AM

We need to ask the Warming Freaks what dug the Great Lakes...?? GLACIERS!! TA DAH. What happened to them. TA DAH..MELTED! What caused that? TA DA..GLOBAL WARMING. ......and what caused that GLOBAL WARMING?

According to the Warming Freaks it only could have been MASTODON FARTS, CAVE MEN BARBECUING TOO MANY GIANT SLOTHS AND MARTIANS ZIPPING AROUND IN CARBON POWERED SPACE SHIPS.

Anybody who thinks that "climate change" has not happened before many, many times and FOR NATURAL CAUSES is an IDIOT! .......such idiocy makes them capable of watching/listening to Algore without a natural barf reaction.

Climate change

tehag - 12-5-2009 at 09:31 AM

Gosh, why in the world are the leaders of 100 nations meeting to discuss the fraud. Mostly, I guess because 100% of peer-reviewed science has been fooled into thinking the great fraud is somehow true. Gosh.

woody with a view - 12-5-2009 at 09:37 AM

i think selling carbon offsets from the (good?) less developed countries to the (bad?) developed countries is behind the fraud!

gnukid - 12-5-2009 at 09:38 AM

Can we ask what is the affect of pollution and costs of the imperialistic goals of the US military?

How significant is pollution from depleted uranium from our bombing raids.

What is the cost of amassing and exploding the largest weapons cache in the world?

What is the impact of genetically modified food on our environment?

What is the impact of loss of farming and local industry on our environment?

With so much government induced pollution why is the focus on taxation of families to fund a smart grid control network that does nothing to reduce the primary causes of pollution, namely the military industrial complex?

Are US Americans capable of rational thoughtful and critical discussion of this issue? Certainly not on main stream TV!

Bajaboy - 12-5-2009 at 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by gnukid
Can we ask what is the affect of pollution and costs of the imperialistic goals of the US military?

How significant is pollution from depleted uranium from our bombing raids.

What is the cost of amassing and exploding the largest weapons cache in the world?

What is the impact of genetically modified food on our environment?

What is the impact of loss of farming and local industry on our environment?

With so much government induced pollution why is the focus on taxation of families to fund a smart grid control network that does nothing to reduce the primary causes of pollution, namely the military industrial complex?

Are US Americans capable of rational thoughtful and critical discussion of this issue? Certainly not on main stream TV!

FAIRFAX, Va.--Worried about climate change and want to learn more? You probably aren't watching television then. A new study by George Mason University Communication Professor Xiaoquan Zhao suggests that watching television has no significant impact on viewers' knowledge about the issue of climate change. Reading newspapers and using the web, however, seem to contribute to people's knowledge about this issue.

The study, "Media Use and Global Warming Perceptions: A Snapshot of the Reinforcing Spirals", looked at the relationship between media use and people's perceptions of global warming. The study asked participants how often they watch TV, surf the Web, and read newspapers. They were also asked about their concern and knowledge of global warming and specifically its impact on the polar regions.Xiaoquan Zhao

"Unlike many other social issues with which the public may have first-hand experience, global warming is an issue that many come to learn about through the media," says Zhao. "The primary source of mediated information about global warming is the news."

The results showed that people who read newspapers and use the Internet more often are more likely to be concerned about global warming and believe they are better educated about the subject. Watching more television, however, did not seem to help.

He also found that individuals concerned about global warming are more likely to seek out information on this issue from a variety of media and nonmedia sources. Other forms of media, such as the Oscar-winning documentary "The Inconvenient Truth" and the blockbuster thriller "The Day After Tomorrow," have played important roles in advancing the public's interest in this domain.

Politics also seemed to have an influence on people’s perceptions about the science of global warming. Republicans are more likely to believe that scientists are still debating the existence and human causes of global warming, whereas Democrats are more likely to believe that a scientific consensus has already been achieved on these matters.

"Some media forms have clear influence on people's perceived knowledge of global warming, and most of it seems positive," says Zhao. "Future research should focus on how to harness this powerful educational function."

Contact: Tara Laskowski, Public Relations Manager, 703-993-8815 or tlaskows@gmu.edu.

Source: George Mason University
See also related Categories: Climate | Communication | Global Warming | Media | Television | Browse other
http://insciences.org/article.php?article_id=7203

Donjulio - 12-5-2009 at 09:40 AM

This is why they are all meeting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40

David K - 12-5-2009 at 09:45 AM

Do I need to add anything? How about it was all about POWER over the people... Anything that can be used to take away your freedoms and money is fair game to the politicians on the left. :rolleyes:

Al Gore thought if they could repeat a lie long enough, it would believed as fact. Sure there is melting of glaciers... there has been for 10,000 years... it's a good thing! Water vapor is a greater greenhouse gas than CO2 (a natural gas produced by volcanos and animals, that plants need to live), yet they only propose the rediculous restriction on CO2!

Anyway, it was refreshing that the science community who faked the temperature numbers have been exposed... Trust your common sense folks, Mother Nature is far more powerful than man.

bajafam - 12-5-2009 at 09:51 AM

I'm going to leave this one alone :no:

{gracefully backing out of the thread}
I <3 you guys :biggrin:

global warming

stimbo - 12-5-2009 at 10:10 AM

I don't know about global warming, but there's a lot of hot air coming from this post.

[Edited on 12-5-2009 by stimbo]

Skeet/Loreto - 12-5-2009 at 10:14 AM

gnukid:

Why are yopu trying to change the Subject Matter; Could it be that you are a mite shy about Blobal Warming??

All you folks think about the Political part of this Global Warming and the number of Votes touted by the Global Warming Nuts.

Shumer!!!!!

Santiago - 12-5-2009 at 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
O. K> all of you Global Warming Children- Now that Warming has been discovered as a big Fraud What is going to be your next big thing to scare all of the folks going to Baja ??
Skeet/Loreto

Skeet: your insight never ceases to amaze me.
Yes, it's true, we have been working very hard over the last 20 years or so to stir up the masses into believing this hoax with the express purpose of ruining the economy of Baja. This was done, of course, to drive down the property values and keep as many newbie gringos out of Baja as possible in order for us, the hoaxers, to enjoy Baja in relative peacefulness when our retirement times approached (now). Now that we've been outed, we will work feverishly to devise some other scheme in order to fulfill our goal of frightening people away from Baja as that is our ultimate goal. The side effect of the USA giving up it's sovereignty is just collateral damage in our view.

Skeet: I ask you this with all the respect that you deserve: have you ever wondered if the recent global warming revelations are in fact a hoax and your desire for them to be true has colored your reasoning? Ever?

DianaT - 12-5-2009 at 10:23 AM

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Originally posted by Santiago

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Good one! Hope this is off to off-topic where it belongs---or round and round and round we go........

[Edited on 12-5-2009 by DianaT]

Climate

tehag - 12-5-2009 at 10:37 AM

Monkton's YouTube rant is stand-up comedy espousing a British Tory line without much basis in scientific fact. He is a British royal with a long history of espousing conservative agendas and zero qualification in the field of climatology. He's big in puzzles, though.

On the other hand, here is a piece which cites a long list of highly qualified sources and generally belies the count's position.

http://www.wunderground.com/education/928.asp

Two things which are not in dispute at all: rises in sea-surface temperatures are being recorded that surpass all existing records, and tropical storm activity tends to be greater in direct proportion to same. Baja Califonians, especially those in coastal areas, will be early beneficiaries of any major changes in climate that produce such rises.

BooJumMan - 12-5-2009 at 10:42 AM

A big fraud?

You can believe whatever you want, but billions of tons of combustion waste globally does not just disappear. Weather or not its causing a change in temperature, does it matter? We should all try our best to curb pollution and support the advancement of cleaner technology. Technology is there, however its not being funded.

I am a mechanical engineer with many colleagues who are environmental engineers doing research for various universities. Also my family friend is a biophysicist at UCSD researching advanced carbon molecules. Science has proven that global warming exists. Its not even an either/or issue, nor is it a political issue.

Getting Deeper

MrBillM - 12-5-2009 at 10:45 AM

I remember, as a child and frequent visitor to Catalina Island, being worried when I heard that Catalina was sinking at the time. The rate was said to be 1/8 inch per year. Doing the math, I relaxed.

All of this talk about rising sea levels doing wild destruction is a lot of BS. Holland has proven that you can manage the sea and we will. Much of Los Angeles-Long Beach Harbor is artificial. The SLOW rate of sea level rising (assuming the worst) will mean that NO Productive areas of the planet are subject to destruction. We'll simply adjust the height of the harbor facilities.

Anyplace WORTH saving will be saved.

Maybe not Bangladesh, but then why bother ?

[Edited on 12-5-2009 by MrBillM]

The Gull - 12-5-2009 at 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by tehag
Gosh, why in the world are the leaders of 100 nations meeting to discuss the fraud. Mostly, I guess because 100% of peer-reviewed science has been fooled into thinking the great fraud is somehow true. Gosh.

The local Prostitutes in Copenhagen are giving it out free at the Global Warming Summit. Seems that the mayor of town sent letters to all the hotels asking them not to supply sex services with the hotel rooms, a local tradition.

The local hookers union now say that you will get it free if you have one of the letters. LA Mayor Villerepulsive and the Governator are both going. They will no doubt have a stack of letters arranged by their advance men.

Wouldn't this be a way of "stimulating" the tourist business in Cabo and Playas de Rosarito? Please tell your local mayor in Baja to promote sex services included in the price of the hotel room. Taxes can be collected on both and the local economy will benefit in many ways.

[Edited on 12-5-2009 by The Gull]

Terry28 - 12-5-2009 at 10:52 AM

Some of you guys ( and Mr. Bill especially) never cease to amaze me with your ignorance....ignore science, and spout off with your collective "facts",
The jury is in and the results should not be ignored. That is "fact" but then again I am sure you don't believe in evolution either....

David K - 12-5-2009 at 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by BooJumMan
A big fraud?

You can believe whatever you want, but billions of tons of combustion waste globally does not just disappear. Weather or not its causing a change in temperature, does it matter? We should all try our best to curb pollution and support the advancement of cleaner technology. ...

I agree... clean up after yourselves, be responsible! When you camp in Baja.... haul out what you bring in! :light:

capt. mike - 12-5-2009 at 11:00 AM

DK hit it right on!!
it is all about control of your lives - this would never happen in the 40s. look at Cap in Trade. if that goes thru - even OBama gleefully exclaims utility bills will go thru the roof!! he can't wait to control ALL of you sheep (speaking only to those here that are of course:lol

this is why Gore refuses to debate Lord Moncton who easily debunked the ENTIRE global warming fiasco moons ago. His thesis is so correct and right on point that any warm body with 1/3 a simian's brain can see it! that's why Gore and the rest of the climatatics don't get it - they have LESS than 1/3 a std. simian brain :lol:

beware the left and be very afraid of their agenda. and keep your right to arms if it is the last thing you do.
trust me, after they have control of your money - speech is next.
it is ALL over history if you'll look at it. :!:

Skeet/Loreto - 12-5-2009 at 11:02 AM

Santiago: No from the ver start I thought it was a Fraud! Why
I guess becasue of my Age, Experience as an Investigator where I would look at the people making the claims, their backgrounds etc,

It started with the Sierra Club, which engaged in some of the same type of Bull Puckey.
Santiago, Why do you think that "Reality TV" became so Popular.

Why do you think the various Universitys hired so many Ultra Left wing Profs.

Santiago: From my earlest years after being trained I was always looking for the "Root Causes' behind a persons action and words.

What really bothers me is the number of Folks who beleived this Bull Puckey, gave money for years to support this.Unbeleivable.

Skeet/Loreto - 12-5-2009 at 11:06 AM

Terryb2:; I beleive in a Supreme Being.!!

If you can prove the following I will beleive anything you say in the future!

Why does a dog of cat get left behind by a family sometimes 1,000 miles and 3 or 4 years finds their Masters??

Answer that and I will kiss your butt in the Public Swuare until I draw a Crowd!!!

Skeet

Skeet/Loreto - 12-5-2009 at 11:10 AM

Boojuman:

Science has proven to you, but not to me I do not think it has been proven.. It is a Scam, Why cannot you see that Unworthy information comes from Unworthy People.

Skeet

capt. mike - 12-5-2009 at 11:15 AM

i'll have one of whatever it is Skeet is having. :light:

Skeet/Loreto - 12-5-2009 at 11:32 AM

Mike:

Two-Eyed Tequilla!!!!!

Well the Temp got down to 0 Degrees Chill factor last nite.

Sure could have used some of that Gobble Warming!!
Skeet

Packoderm - 12-5-2009 at 11:47 AM

I'll have to admit that it's been about 2 years since I took my last geology class, and the one I took before that was way back in high school, so some of your expertise and training would surely eclipse mine. From the last geology class regarding the climate, I took that the composition of the various levels of the atmosphere are being altered due to human impact occurring since the advent of the industrial revolution in the 1850s. The changes in our climate are complex with wider extremes in weather patterns, phenomena, and catastrophes. I do not recall any political motivation from my professor. I have no idea of her partisan persuasion. She did mention that some of the sources of climate change was spurred by vested interests, but she declined to say which interests these are. They could be industries who profit at the expense of the environment, or it could be from focus groups who profit from voicing their concern. I, however, find it difficult to believe that the claim of global warming is actually an evil plot spawned by those who wish to clean up our environment, live in an ecologically sustainable manner, and achieve energy and water independence thus bringing about a period of peace and prosperity.

vgabndo - 12-5-2009 at 12:20 PM

I couldn't get past DK's post. David, do you ever tire of blaming EVERY FREEKING THING on progressive people??

It is truly unfortunate that the term "global warming" ever became prevalent. The term is actually "Climate Change".

Is there evidence of climate change...Yes.
Is there evidence that seven billion people burning stuff has anything to do with it...Yes.
Is climate change ALSO caused by non-human influence...yes
The question is, it seems, how many bullets need to be in the revolver before you refuse to play Russian Roulette.

And David, who wrote the "Patriot Act"? That Bush Administration creation was the biggest theft of American's rights since the Catholics got their god put into my pledge of allegience.

Who would have ever thought that we could lose our right to a speedy trial, or the right to face our accusers, or protection from random searches of our property, or tapping our phones, or having our library records searched.

Who would have thought that we would EVER lose our right to habius corpus.

My Mexico tie-in is Alberto Gonzalas. What ever happened to him?

[Edited on 12-5-2009 by vgabndo]

vgabndo - 12-5-2009 at 12:28 PM

Skeet, I'll answer your question if you'll answer mine.

Why do churches need lighting rods?

JESSE - 12-5-2009 at 12:34 PM

The truth is, nobody knows the truth.

k-rico - 12-5-2009 at 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Why does a dog of cat get left behind by a family sometimes 1,000 miles and 3 or 4 years finds their Masters??
Skeet

That is an incredible thing.

Skeet, why do millions of dogs and cats get lost every year?

Packoderm - 12-5-2009 at 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by vgabndo
Skeet, I'll answer your question if you'll answer mine.

Why do churches need lighting rods?

DianaT - 12-5-2009 at 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by vgabndo

My Mexico tie-in is Alberto Gonzalas. What ever happened to him?

[Edited on 12-5-2009 by vgabndo]

Last I heard he was having trouble finding a decent job---he should be in jail. Surprised Faux News has not hired him as a legal expert. :lol:

Iflyfish - 12-5-2009 at 01:05 PM

This is my favorite site for sorting out issues like this where there is a lot of public rhetoric. This site wond a Pulitzer in 2009 and they do their homework. One of the few unbiased sources available to us. I find them very balanced and they don't seem to have any particular political axe to grind. Take some time on this site, I am sure you will learn something no matter what side of the political continuum you stand on.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/subjects/

Iflyfish

nobaddays - 12-5-2009 at 01:08 PM

I just read about the increased flood levels and dangers in Holland. Something is making the ocean levels rise and it must be study. Most importantly with an open investigative mind. Global warming does not make every place on earth warmer,it changes weather patterns. That can really change existing climates. Keep an open mind.

Sharksbaja - 12-5-2009 at 01:11 PM

Perry, those aren't lightening rods, they are God antennas.

Sharksbaja - 12-5-2009 at 01:13 PM

There is no such thang as an unbiased report. Ask anyone. :biggrin:

Iflyfish - 12-5-2009 at 01:16 PM

Sharks:

:light:

IflyfishonaflatearththatIhavebeenpredestinedtopillageandplunder

SOME PEOPLE

ELINVESTIG8R - 12-5-2009 at 01:37 PM

Religion of Global Warming

Law Firms Wouldn't Hire Him

Bajahowodd - 12-5-2009 at 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by DianaT

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Originally posted by vgabndo

My Mexico tie-in is Alberto Gonzalas. What ever happened to him?

[Edited on 12-5-2009 by vgabndo]

Last I heard he was having trouble finding a decent job---he should be in jail. Surprised Faux News has not hired him as a legal expert. :lol:

Last I heard he was hired by Texas Tech in Lubbock to be their diversity recruiter and teach political science. Obviously a lofty career move for a former Attorney General. But then, the administration he worked for only sought to hire people with certain special credentials.

DianaT - 12-5-2009 at 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd

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Originally posted by DianaT

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Originally posted by vgabndo

My Mexico tie-in is Alberto Gonzalas. What ever happened to him?

[Edited on 12-5-2009 by vgabndo]

Last I heard he was having trouble finding a decent job---he should be in jail. Surprised Faux News has not hired him as a legal expert. :lol:

OMG, political science taught by Gonzales would be like The Art of Warfare taught by Donald Rumsfeld. :lol:

Is this off-topic enough yet??? :biggrin:

[Edited on 12-5-2009 by DianaT]

Skeet/Loreto - 12-5-2009 at 02:03 PM

Why do Churches have Lighting Rods.

I do not know especially if they are placed on Top of the Church as Lightning comes from the GROUND Upward!!!.

Alberto Gonsales did end up at Texas Tech.
It would be great if we could get as many Conservative Profs in the Universities as there are Liberal Profs.

What is good for the Goose is Good for the Gander!!!

Vag. "i will answer it for you as I don't know but I suspect. that God Created Most people and Animals with a HEART.

What do the Scienist say causes it???????

Terrie (Loonie) Toons

MrBillM - 12-5-2009 at 02:05 PM

Hey, Terrie, I wasn't IGNORING any science in my statement.

My point was that, assuming "The Sky is Falling and the Water's Rising" might be correct, we'll deal with it. Anything important enough to MANKIND'S survival will be addressed as the need becomes apparent. Those in the Less-Productive areas on Earth may have a problem, but isn't that how Darwin's supposed to work ? Biological Culling.

AND, if it turns out that Mankind, along with all the Animals, Fish and Fowl are destroyed in a hundred-thousand years or so, WHO'S going to know ? OR Care ?

DianaT - 12-5-2009 at 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto

Alberto Gonsales did end up at Texas Tech.
It would be great if we could get as many Conservative Profs in the Universities as there are Liberal Profs.

Yea, Texas is a good place for him and the others---maybe they can lead lead the battle for Texas to leave the Union----

Global Warming

toneart - 12-5-2009 at 02:10 PM

It does no good to rehash your biases here. You are going to believe what you want to believe. Do diligent research on your own, the Media supplying just a part of your information. There are true and apparently false statements made by a few qualified scientists in order to embellish their point of view, but the scientific facts stand on their own. Keep your minds open to the possibilities.

"Fraud" and "Hoax" are not appropriate labels for such an important issue. While misstatements and subsequent coverups may have occured, that does NOT nullify the large body of evidence compiled over many years that Global Warming exists and is only made worse by the pollutants in our atmosphere that is being put there by man.

Our political ideology is largely influenced by our life's experiences and we are also shaped into our propensities because of the kind of person we have become as a result. Add to that your level of intelligence, your education, your parents (they influence in positive or sometimes negative ways), the way you handle fear or crises, your religious dogma, and your attitudes towards MONEY.

All of these factors, especially your attitudes in regards to money, determine the priorities you set for matters of great importance. :light:

Skeet/Loreto - 12-5-2009 at 02:14 PM

Yes DianaT = If Texas the Greatest Republic ever left[Which they are the only State that can leave} California would not survive.
Texas the fastest growing State, less Unemployment, refused some of the Federal give away funds.

Be careful what you wish for, you may get it and then Where do you get your Gas if you have no money to pay for it..

Skeet/Loreto - 12-5-2009 at 02:20 PM

Now back to the original Baja and Global Warming-

Did you notice how all of the different Nomads came out and yet only one or two defended Global Warming, one wanted to change everything to Climate Control.

. One of these days Baja will be like Florida if and I say they can ever get Canada to ship them some Water.-- Think about it.
Or as some put forth several years ago Long Beach Ca was going to Import icebergs to be floated from up North.

Maybe that Gobble Warming will cause the Boulder Dam to collaspe and all that water go to Baja, The fish would be saved.

Climate Change is an ongoing Natrual happening. Gobble Warming was a Scam from the Beginning and many people fell for it.

Thank goodness Al Gore never went to Baja!!

Bajaboy - 12-5-2009 at 02:23 PM

So is evolution as scam as well or did the scientists get that one correct? :?:

Packoderm - 12-5-2009 at 02:26 PM

No Skeet, I think you got it backwards. Most of the posters here supported the continuation of the acceleration of global warming. They seem to enjoy breathing polluted air. They will enjoy breathing more polluted air when our population increases. I'm glad a study hasn't come out equating dumping raw sewage in the rivers to global ocean pollution. Then there would be a cry from the usual suspects demanding a halt to funding for waste treatment.

BMG - 12-5-2009 at 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by DianaT

OMG, political science taught by Gonzales would be like The Art of Warfare taught by Donald Rumsfeld.

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BMG - 12-5-2009 at 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by Packoderm

....when our population increases.

And there we have the real problem. Not many popular solutions to that one.

DianaT - 12-5-2009 at 02:31 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Yes DianaT = If Texas the Greatest Republic ever left[Which they are the only State that can leave} California would not survive.
Texas the fastest growing State, less Unemployment, refused some of the Federal give away funds.

Be careful what you wish for, you may get it and then Where do you get your Gas if you have no money to pay for it..

Oh Skeet, you have been listening to Faux News, your crazy Governeror, and Joel Osteen far too much---

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Now back to the original Baja and Global Warming-

Did you notice how all of the different Nomads came out and yet only one or two defended Global Warming, one wanted to change everything to Climate Control.

None of this has anything to do with Baja---and this piece of your logic is really good for another laugh.

Now I guess that science is wrong and the earth is only 6000 years old and cavemen walked with dinosaurs.

Skeet/Loreto - 12-5-2009 at 02:32 PM

DianaT:

Do you know who runs the State of Texas;??
Serious Question.
It is just one of the Main reasons Texas is such a Great State.

monoloco - 12-5-2009 at 02:36 PM

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I believe that I read that Texas gets more in Federal funding than it pays in taxes.

Skeet/Loreto - 12-5-2009 at 02:41 PM

Loco: I know you are Wrong.

Did you get your Info from EWG

Packoderm - 12-5-2009 at 02:53 PM

Skeet, if the information is hard to find, then somebody is hiding something. Although this doesn't include Texas, it's an interesting look that dispels what seems to be your assertion that California takes in more than it pays out.
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_f...

k-rico - 12-5-2009 at 03:09 PM

In 2005, the latest data I could find, Texas received 94 cents of federal funding for every dollar of taxes it paid, California 78 cents.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/22685.html

oxxo - 12-5-2009 at 03:11 PM

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Originally posted by gnukidAre US Americans capable of rational thoughtful and critical discussion of this issue? Certainly not on main stream TV!

Or on Nomads! I'm not biting.

[Edited on 12-5-2009 by oxxo]

Skeet/Loreto - 12-5-2009 at 03:13 PM

No Pack;

California is Bankrupt. How will that effect Baja. I know it has already had an impact on TJ.

But my original post was how did the Global Warming Scam affect Baja.
I knew all along that it will not have any effect at all because it was a Scam from the Start.

If you really want to see if there has been any changes that are noticable do some re search on the reports of Oil Well Rigs in Water locations.

Ever wonder why Al Gore never ask the Oil Companies who have lots of info on Sea changes???

Same old Story.
Agroup of Liberal Envior Nuts get together to try to Scam the Masses out of their hard earned Money.

How Sad that supposedly educated people get so wrap up that they do not see the Forrest for The Trees/

Skeet

Bajaboy - 12-5-2009 at 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
No Pack;

California is Bankrupt. How will that effect Baja. I know it has already had an impact on TJ.

But my original post was how did the Global Warming Scam affect Baja.
I knew all along that it will not have any effect at all because it was a Scam from the Start.

If you really want to see if there has been any changes that are noticable do some re search on the reports of Oil Well Rigs in Water locations.

Ever wonder why Al Gore never ask the Oil Companies who have lots of info on Sea changes???

Same old Story.
Agroup of Liberal Envior Nuts get together to try to Scam the Masses out of their hard earned Money.

How Sad that supposedly educated people get so wrap up that they do not see the Forrest for The Trees/

Skeet

hey SKeet, I think most of the sources of my info/learning involve world renowned institutions such as the Scripps Institute of Oceanography.

Are you claiming to know more than the scientists that work there?

Packoderm - 12-5-2009 at 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by k-rico
In 2005, the latest data I could find, Texas received 94 cents of federal funding for every dollar of taxes it paid, California 78 cents.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/22685.html

Thanks for the link. I found that Texas pays a total $146,932 for every $148,683 it receives from the Feds.

The dollars per capita for Texas is $6,437 paid and $6,514 received.

The total paid from Ca. is $289,627 for every $242,023 received.

Sorry Skeet, California wants some if its money back from Texas.

And if Texas ever tries to secede from the Union, who's to know that perhaps Texas is hiding weapons of mass destruction warranting a preemptive invasion which will be paid with proceeds from the sale of Texas oil.

Skeet/Loreto - 12-5-2009 at 03:36 PM

No Bajaboy . Not at all.

But I am doubtful about what some of their more Left leaning Profs, and researchers came up with.

Look at the changes in some of the Top Universities in this country. Changes are good but when they start trying to change the politics it is going to cause problems.

A good example I beleive is TV, Interent when they use "Flash Pictures " to sell you something. same in Movies when they move so fast it is difficult to follow unless you have been trained by the TV. Think about it.
NOw the following example should be looked at closely.

Watch the use of Black Men in TV commercials. There is hardly a commercial with out a Black person being shown..
This is the type thing used by the Media for Global Warming, Overfishing, and things that support their ideas.

Yes there are differences but we must "Give both sides of the Equation"" not just a one sided view.We must teah our Children to Investigate, learn from all people, not just those College Profs with an Adjenda.

Seett

Skeet/Loreto - 12-5-2009 at 03:40 PM

Bajaboy> No I do not know more that the Scientist that workd there.

But

I do know more about The Sea of Cortez and Baja Sur than they Do!!!

I know more about how to work in the Logs in Tres Rios New Mexico!!

I know more about People lying to them face to face to try to cover up an Insurance Claim than they Do.

Skeet

Bajaboy - 12-5-2009 at 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Bajaboy> No I do not know more that the Scientist that workd there.

But

I do know more about The Sea of Cortez and Baja Sur than they Do!!!

Skeet

Really? Are you really saying you know more about the Sea of Cortez than the scientist who study it?

woody with a view - 12-5-2009 at 03:47 PM

Quote:

And if Texas ever tries to secede from the Union, who's to know that perhaps Texas is hiding weapons of mass destruction warranting a preemptive invasion which will be paid with proceeds from the sale of Texas oil.

so THAT"S why the cost of oil dropped from $147/barrel???? :?:

????

what proceeds????? :?:

??????

Skeet/Loreto - 12-5-2009 at 03:52 PM

No Baja Boy. They have not studied it!! Don"t you understan. They have not spent 38 years on the Sea of Cortez.

I have!

They send a couple of Snotty Nose Kids who stand on the beach smoking their DOPE, giving them reports "observed from certains points in Baja.

The only person who has done anything valid was John Steinback. and the Sea Watch. Which needs to do a whole lot more before he decides that all of the Sea of Cortez has been Investigated.

Yes I do know more about the Sea Of Cortez than any Scientist at Scripps who have never been there!!!

woody with a view - 12-5-2009 at 03:54 PM

Quote:

Yes I do know more about the Sea Of Cortez than any Scientist at Scripps who have never been there!!!

i would expect you to know more about it than ANYONE who's never been there!

k-rico - 12-5-2009 at 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by toneart
Our political ideology is largely influenced by our life's experiences and we are also shaped into our propensities because of the kind of person we have become as a result.

toneart, you may find this interesting. Makes a lot of sense to me. But maybe not.

"liberals and conservatives literally think differently"

[Edited on 12-5-2009 by k-rico]

DENNIS - 12-5-2009 at 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by woody in ob

i would expect you to know more about it than ANYONE who's never been there!

What? Books don't count?

DENNIS - 12-5-2009 at 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lencho
Is this actually true? If so, why do you think that would be?

--Larry

It's a well known fact that all liberals are on welfare and the school doesn't have to pay them so much. :lol:

Skeet/Loreto - 12-5-2009 at 04:10 PM

Hey Nomads! Great Day.

I hoped I Tweaked your Bottoms so that you started thinking that there is two sides to every story!!

I am getting ready to have a Two-Eyed Tequilla and go to Umbarger Texas for the best BBque in the Tesas Panhandle.

Thanks to all of you for your Spirited communications. Is it not Great to live in the Best Country in the World!!
and love the Baja Sur of Mexico/

Terry28 - 12-5-2009 at 04:12 PM

Skeet Steinback??...Give it up Zack, he won't change...mutate maybe but not change......

Bajaboy - 12-5-2009 at 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
No Baja Boy. They have not studied it!! Don"t you understan. They have not spent 38 years on the Sea of Cortez.

I have!

They send a couple of Snotty Nose Kids who stand on the beach smoking their DOPE, giving them reports "observed from certains points in Baja.

The only person who has done anything valid was John Steinback. and the Sea Watch. Which needs to do a whole lot more before he decides that all of the Sea of Cortez has been Investigated.

Yes I do know more about the Sea Of Cortez than any Scientist at Scripps who have never been there!!!

Are these the snotty nosed kids you were referring:
http://explorations.ucsd.edu/Features/2009/Birth_of_an_Ocean...

woody with a view - 12-5-2009 at 04:13 PM

Skeet

there's three sides to every story. your's, mine and what REALLY happened!

Sharksbaja - 12-5-2009 at 04:17 PM

Quote:

It's a well known fact that all liberals are on welfare and the school doesn't have to pay them so much.

Yep and they do their own laundry too! Wazzup with that? :lol:

I think it would be a whole lot more fun trying to explain a Republican. Seems like being a "conservative" is much more "politically correct" these days than being "Republican". Isn't that an oxymarooon? :?:

[Edited on 12-5-2009 by Sharksbaja]

k-rico - 12-5-2009 at 04:25 PM

"I think it would be a whole lot more fun trying to explain a Republican."

The Republican manifesto was displayed in an off-topic thread a few days ago.

Sharksbaja - 12-5-2009 at 04:31 PM

Boy I'll bet that was exciting, no thanks, that place scares me. :wow:

Santiago - 12-5-2009 at 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Watch the use of Black Men in TV commercials. There is hardly a commercial with out a Black person being shown..
Seett

They are getting uppity, aren't they. But come to think of it, I've never seen a black man in an Extends commercial; wonder why that is?

Seett: what is "two-eyed" tequila? I went into an upscale tequila bar yesterday and ordered one and they just looked at me as if I were a hick from the sticks. They must of had over 200 kinds, but no two-eyed.

Bajahowodd - 12-5-2009 at 05:02 PM

Maybe, just maybe, the administrator should close this thread. As I read through the last couple of pages, I was getting the feeling that this was Skeet against the world. Or vice versa. Give the old guy a break. When this gentleman was growing up, where he grew up, society was SO different. Most folks seem to never be able to change.

ELINVESTIG8R - 12-5-2009 at 05:31 PM

rts551 - 12-5-2009 at 05:35 PM

Now don't any of you watch these pinko commercials lest your skin change color and your.... whoops better stop here. ...

Lets get back to Baja...Its much more fun to fight over secret spots and walking through baja without leaving the screen of your computer.

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
No Bajaboy . Not at all.

But I am doubtful about what some of their more Left leaning Profs, and researchers came up with.

Look at the changes in some of the Top Universities in this country. Changes are good but when they start trying to change the politics it is going to cause problems.

A good example I beleive is TV, Interent when they use "Flash Pictures " to sell you something. same in Movies when they move so fast it is difficult to follow unless you have been trained by the TV. Think about it.
NOw the following example should be looked at closely.

Watch the use of Black Men in TV commercials. There is hardly a commercial with out a Black person being shown..
This is the type thing used by the Media for Global Warming, Overfishing, and things that support their ideas.

Yes there are differences but we must "Give both sides of the Equation"" not just a one sided view.We must teah our Children to Investigate, learn from all people, not just those College Profs with an Adjenda.

Seett

Iflyfish - 12-5-2009 at 05:36 PM

K-rico, great link. New info for me. Makes sense as does left/right brain differences.

Iflyfish

toneart - 12-5-2009 at 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by k-rico

Quote:

toneart, you may find this interesting. Makes a lot of sense to me. But maybe not.

"liberals and conservatives literally think differently"

[Edited on 12-5-2009 by k-rico]

Thank you K-Rico!

This certainly makes sense. I posted my own observation months ago that liberals and conservatives "are wired differently". In my today's post I listed all the environmental causes I could think of, but omitted the obvious cause that your link states. They probably run concurrently.

It certainly seems like conservatives and liberals are watching the same screen but seeing different movies.

I have always tried to put myself in Conservatives' mind in order to try and understand where they are coming from. I am usually successful in deducing how they arrived at their conclusions, but I find such a cognitive disconnect in their thinking that I am usually astonished at the premise of their conclusions. Your link confirms that You can't get there from here! :no:

vgabndo - 12-5-2009 at 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Why do Churches have Lighting Rods.

I do not know especially if they are placed on Top of the Church as Lightning comes from the GROUND Upward!!!.

Alberto Gonsales did end up at Texas Tech.
It would be great if we could get as many Conservative Profs in the Universities as there are Liberal Profs.

What is good for the Goose is Good for the Gander!!!

Vag. "i will answer it for you as I don't know but I suspect. that God Created Most people and Animals with a HEART.

What do the Scienist say causes it???????

Quote:

First Skeet, there is no need for me to explain HOW a lightining rod works, or what causes lighting. Those "snotty nosed" scientists figured that out about the same time you guys finally stopped burning witches.

The question revolves around the common claim that a lightning bolt is an "Act of God", that your temples are commonly called "Houses of God", and the claim by the bronze-age henchmen who invented your bible that your particular deity is omniscient and omnipotent. To re-phrase the question; why would an all knowing all powerful deity have a history of blowing the crap out of it's own houses with such frequency that non-sectarian means are necessary to protect the buildings. It is a legitimate question for any reasonable person, and there is really only one answer.

Got it?

[Edited on 12-6-2009 by vgabndo]