BajaNomad - lightning in Baja - Skeet is RIGHT

lightning in Baja - Skeet is RIGHT

capt. mike - 12-6-2009 at 08:49 AM

some one asked - Why do Churches have Lighting Rods.?

Skeeter replied -

"I do not know especially if they are placed on Top of the Church as Lightning comes from the GROUND Upward!!!."

Aha!! Skeet you old sly dog you. How astute! You are "proof" that two eyed tequila is good brain food.
Few people around actually know this fact as the scientists had it all wrong for eons - Why? because they could not "see" it until the advent of 4000 FPS strope digital photography made it possible to see the effect in super slo mo.
Lightning CAN go cloud to cloud but when it appears to strike the earth from above it actually is the earth's field charge arcing up to connect (natural tendency of electron flow) to the sky's relative opposite charge.

having just completed a certification by the North American Board of Certified Energy Practicioners ( google NABCEP) i was apprised of these interesting facts.

Iflyfish - 12-6-2009 at 09:21 AM

These are not facts, these are only opinions. There are no facts any more, just opinions. This is a THEORY of how lightning works. We all have seen it coming from the sky. This is a plot to disprove biblical fact that bad things like plagues come from the sky. This is another liberal plot to undermine the very underpinnings of our great nation UNDER GOD. Certified Energy Practicioners indeed. A bunch of hopped up hippies from Bezerkeley trying to pass off their godless lifestyle on our sacred, pure land. If lightning came from the ground then they would put lightning rods UNDER buildings, not on top of them!! Haven't you ever seen a lightning rod. All lightning rods in god's country of Texas have their lightning rods on TOP of their buildings like God intended.

Why in the world didn't you post this offensive thread off topic where it belongs.

Iflyfishattimeswithmytongueinmycheekforthosewhodon'tgetsatire

Skeet/Loreto - 12-6-2009 at 09:22 AM

Yes Mike: Glad to hear That you are keeping up with your Education.

So many of todays's Scientist get lock into one thing and do not take the socalled sceond Look at what that have stuided.

In Baja there are several things that they looked act for a short period of time, made a conclusion and never returned. The Giant Squid is on e of them..

Also"Where do the yellow tail go when they leasve the Sea of Cortez.

They still have not done a Study about the Birds and their habits on Delfonso Island.
There is a great study done by a young man from the University of New Mexico on Pelicans.

Stay loose Mike

DianaT - 12-6-2009 at 09:26 AM

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Originally posted by Iflyfish
These are not facts, these are only opinions. There are no facts any more, just opinions. This is a THEORY of how lightning works. We all have seen it coming from the sky. This is a plot to disprove biblical fact that bad things like plagues come from the sky. This is another liberal plot to undermine the very underpinnings of our great nation UNDER GOD. Certified Energy Practicioners indeed. A bunch of hopped up hippies from Bezerkeley trying to pass off their godless lifestyle on our sacred, pure land. If lightning came from the ground then they would put lightning rods UNDER buildings, not on top of them!! Haven't you ever seen a lightning rod. All lightning rods in god's country of Texas have their lightning rods on TOP of their buildings like God intended.

Why in the world didn't you post this offensive thread off topic where it belongs.

Iflyfishattimeswithmytongueinmycheekforthosewhodon'tgetsatire

Very well written---but maybe, just maybe those bad things are coming from the ground, the underground---isn't that where the devil lives---tis what I was told as a small child.

Your last sentence says it all----these threads so belong in the sewer known as off-topic.

gnukid - 12-6-2009 at 09:40 AM

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Originally posted by DianaT

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Somebody here is late for church...

Skeet/Loreto - 12-6-2009 at 09:45 AM

DianT

Did you ever find out who runs the State of Texas????

Howard - 12-6-2009 at 10:30 AM

It appears that this thread is getting way to intellectual for me. While you Einstein’s are at it, could you please splain (I have Lucy Ricardo to thank for that) why:

1: Why we drive on a parkway and park on a driveway?

2: Why we call them apartments when they are all together?

Your help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

capt. mike - 12-6-2009 at 10:40 AM

i always wondered when i was very young if you could make a real Frankenstein monster using a freshly killed rabbit and 120 volts at about 30 amps.
the answer is no, it won't return to life but with some KC Masterpiece (this was before i made my own killer sauces and rubs) applied after enough curent you can eat your experiement.

oxxo - 12-6-2009 at 10:51 AM

Then why do the dummies put the lightning rod on top of the steeple? Why don't they bury it in the ground under the altar?

BMG - 12-6-2009 at 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by Iflyfish

If lightning came from the ground then they would put lightning rods UNDER buildings, not on top of them!! Haven't you ever seen a lightning rod. All lightning rods in god's country of Texas have their lightning rods on TOP of their buildings like God intended.

They do install lightning rods underground. Just look under any big building. Check the Google Earth subterranean view and you'll see them all.

vandenberg - 12-6-2009 at 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by oxxo
Then why do the dummies put the lightning rod on top of the steeple? Why don't they bury it in the ground under the altar?

Sacrilege. :saint:

DENNIS - 12-6-2009 at 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto

Did you ever find out who runs the State of Texas????

Seems like the cartels are running the southern part. I don't know about the rest of the place but, given enough time with our Bill Of Rights and they'll probably run that part too.

Skeet/Loreto - 12-6-2009 at 11:29 AM

Dennis: This is a Cold Hard Fact;

Texas is run by the Baptists!

I am not kidding you at all. Ever wonder why we do not allow Gambling Casinos!

Gues that is why it has it all over California. As California is getting hit by the DEVIL right now.. In fact there is a big meeting right now in Sacto to try to figure it what to do.

Skeet

BajaGringo - 12-6-2009 at 11:35 AM

So the Baptists have the answers to all of California's problems?

Skeet/Loreto - 12-6-2009 at 11:44 AM

Yes:

First thing Califrornia must do is "Stop smoking those Nasty Cigarettes, Drinking that Rye Whiskey and Chasin those Wild Wild Women" and start listen ing to Rick Warren.

Next thing: Stop trying to Run all the Farmers and Dairyman out to the Central Valley!

Move Hollywood to Mexico!!

Skeet

toneart - 12-6-2009 at 11:57 AM

...then why does lightning strike the highest point in any location? We have always been taught to get to a lower spot in a lightning storm. Also, we are told to not be the only figure in an open field.

Hey! It has worked for me so far!!!

DENNIS - 12-6-2009 at 11:59 AM

Skeeter....did you go to church today? If not, you'd better watch where you walk. Some of that lightnin's gonna come up outta the ground and go right up your brain-hole.

vandenberg - 12-6-2009 at 12:06 PM

Cattle head to the lowest point, usually a ditch, at first sign of a lightning storm. They like to be close to the action. :biggrin:

Skeet/Loreto - 12-6-2009 at 12:14 PM

Is it not amazing the number of Golfers struck and killed by Lighting:
It is also the killer of a number of Horses in the open Pasture here in the Texas Panhandle.

Dennis: I go to church every Sunday Nite. joel Osteen. Try him sometime you will like it!!

David K - 12-6-2009 at 12:15 PM

Tiger Woods better be careful!

well Tony - here it is in a nut's shell....

capt. mike - 12-6-2009 at 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by toneart
...then why does lightning strike the highest point in any location? We have always been taught to get to a lower spot in a lightning storm. Also, we are told to not be the only figure in an open field.

Hey! It has worked for me so far!!!

Lightning doesn't actually "strike" in a downwardly direction. The earth smites thee from below. :biggrin:

It is a phenomena whereby a potential storage of electrical energy can no longer abstain from alowing it's electrons to flow to an area that has a differential potential of/for storage. DC, or current flow wants to always move in a one way direction.
the earth is a gigantic storage of potential energy as a ground source and in a field. When conditions are right - a mass of electrons will jump out of the earth's field (including tree tops which via roots are connected to the earth) and flow to an air mass which is in an attraction mode due to an opposite static state and potential differential. Like a big honking wet cloud.

and yes - this is all theory and no one has proved a damn thing but i'll go with Ohm's law any day for now. :cool:

and - lightning rods are discharging energy from their grounds to the sky, not receiving energy. If the rods weren't there the discharge from the earth might occur at any point of a structure close to the other potential source - the wet sky - so the roof un protected could just explode and catch fire as the earth's electrons try to jump up through it.

this is the weirdest chite i have heard in school for my PV solar contracting certification - can any BSEEs or electricians in the audience comment on this. :?:

vandenberg - 12-6-2009 at 12:25 PM

That's probably why you see so many buildings with their roofs blown off. No lightning rods. :biggrin:

Give me a break !!

k-rico - 12-6-2009 at 12:32 PM

watch the video on this page

click the large circle on the left to start it

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sciencenow/3214/02.html

toneart - 12-6-2009 at 12:35 PM

Thanks Mike! It does seem to defy common sense and run counter to all we have been taught, though. There certainly hasn't been much media reporting of this. I will keep an open mind and try to grok it.

I will not try to invalidate this theory because, what do I know? I can do skeptical really well though. That is a worthy retirement practice which only gets better with age (and expounding on The BajaNomad) :smug:

Jeez...I just left Berkeley with no time to spare. This big storm has just hit. I could've been killed in the Devil's lowland. Now I am safely ensconced back in my mountain top cabin in The Sierras where it has started to snow. :rolleyes:

LancairDriver - 12-6-2009 at 12:48 PM

Mike- Don't confuse members of the flat earth society with any scientific facts. They are still too busy trying to de-bunk the moon landings to contemplate any new data.

Skeet/Loreto - 12-6-2009 at 12:54 PM

Toneart:

Wherebouts in those Beautifull Sierras??

Skeet

k-rico - 12-6-2009 at 01:01 PM

It's a theory, like they said. Lots of maybes.

It is interesting the electric fields in clouds are not large enough to account for the energy contained within lightning and the the NaI (sodium iodide) crystals register ionizing electomagnetic radiation at the location of the discharge, explained as a result of cosmic electrons both initiating the discharge and creating x-rays as they decelerate.

toneart - 12-6-2009 at 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Toneart:

Wherebouts in those Beautifull Sierras??

Skeet

Skeet,
I'm about 12 miles above Nevada City, north of Sacramento and south of Lake Tahoe. My elevation is 3800'. I'm on the backside of Scott's Flat Lake. It's the "Gold Country".

BajaGringo - 12-6-2009 at 01:32 PM

We need an electrical engineer here to set us all straight, preferably a Baptist...

:lol:

fender - 12-6-2009 at 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto

Dennis: I go to church every Sunday Nite. joel Osteen. Try him sometime you will like it!!

oh my! that explains so much. Sheeple everywhere.

Ask Rick Warren

Bajahowodd - 12-6-2009 at 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
We need an electrical engineer here to set us all straight, preferably a Baptist...

:lol:

And I thought it was Rick Perry who ran Texas. And he probably is a Baptist.

ELINVESTIG8R - 12-6-2009 at 02:19 PM

ELINVESTIG8R - 12-6-2009 at 02:25 PM

oxxo - 12-6-2009 at 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by toneart
Jeez...I just left Berkeley with no time to spare.

Ton, I misplaced a reefer in Berkeley, did you happen to run across it? It was an Amana.

Goooooooo Bears! (next year maybe)

homes and comm'l bldgs roofs catch fire all the

capt. mike - 12-6-2009 at 03:08 PM

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Originally posted by vandenberg
That's probably why you see so many buildings with their roofs blown off. No lightning rods. :biggrin:

Give me a break !!

time during summer monsoon T storms when they allow a discharge path up thru the structure because they DON"T have a grounding rod at the top (roof) closest to the available potential differential charge - wet unstable air.
and something else - concrete footings and stems are highly conductive - basically a concrete bldg foundation, even CMU block, acts like a huge flow thru conductor for DC.
so - a bldg is sitting in the ground accumulating potential DC and lets it go upwards to a receptor through the least resistive path. Living things are a conductor. wood and trees are all conductors to a degree.

this is rocket science. do not attempt to debunk it!! :light:

Skeet/Loreto - 12-6-2009 at 04:09 PM

Very good Info!

As an Adjuster in the 60"s I had one Lightning Claim. On mono Street in Fresno Calif.{North west side}
At that time I was wondering why the 2x4 studs slit in a manner showing upward force. Later when I found that it was coming up out of the Ground I understood.
This house had two side walls blown apart about 6 inches, then it went to the rafters and misplaced a small part of the roof then up and Away..

Later on i read some reorts on Lightning /strikes of Aircraft around Ft. Worth Texas that were deadly.

Skeet,

Skeet/Loreto - 12-6-2009 at 04:16 PM

Tonert: Yes a very beautifull Location. Use to go by it on my way to work Ski Patrol at hevanly Valley when it was being run by Stein Erikson/

Yes Gov. Perry knows that the Baptist run Texas.

My three Favorites:

Lobster Tail and Beer

Bajahowodd - 12-6-2009 at 04:20 PM

Skeet an adjuster. Small world. I started my adjusting career in the late 60s.

Timo1 - 12-6-2009 at 04:23 PM

I'm adjusting my career too
going back to work :lol:

bajalera - 12-6-2009 at 04:25 PM

Then my grandma was right, after all. She used to tell us that the rubber golashes [sp?] she always wore when sitting in her rocking chair prevented the rays that come from under the house from electrocuting her.

Essentially a giant Ufer ground. It's all in the potential

soulpatch - 12-6-2009 at 04:34 PM

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Originally posted by capt. mike

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Originally posted by vandenberg
That's probably why you see so many buildings with their roofs blown off. No lightning rods. :biggrin:

Give me a break !!

dtbushpilot - 12-6-2009 at 04:37 PM

Guess I can wear my tin foil hat during thunderstorms after all....dt

vandenberg - 12-6-2009 at 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by dtbushpilot
Guess I can wear my tin foil hat during thunderstorms after all....dt

Sure...and sit on the roof.... but watch your a$$. :biggrin:

Skeet/Loreto - 12-6-2009 at 05:07 PM

owodd;

General Adjustment Bureau
Manager Bishop Calif. Office
Claims Manager Associated Aviation Underwrtiers- San Francisco
Partner Jay Wright Adjusters Oakland Calif.

What a Ride; Good work. Met lots of great People!

Skeet

nobaddays - 12-6-2009 at 08:18 PM

Lightning is a fascinating part of weather, and I'll try to explain positive
and negative lightning strokes. But first, you should visit this link, and
read a detailed, but non-technical explanation of how lightning forms. It is
very interesting. Here is the link:
http://www.howstuffworks.com/lightning.htm

The differences between positive and negative strokes is not discussed in
detail in the link. Most cloud-to-ground strikes are negative, and a much
less common number are positive. The only difference between the two kinds
is the reversal of polarities in the cloud base. Normally the negative
charge collects in the cloud base, with a corresponding net positive charge
in the ground under the cloud. Lightning strikes originating from this
configuration are negative strikes.

But if the cloud base becomes positively charged relative to the top of the
cloud, the ground below then assumes a net negative charge, and any
lightning that develops will be a positive strike.

The lightning detection sensors used by many data observation and collection
organizations are able to distinguish between positive and negative strikes,
and report them as such. Research is ongoing, to determine if there is a
relationship between positive strokes and certain types of severe weather.

vgabndo - 12-6-2009 at 10:06 PM

The question was: why do CHURCHES need lightning rods, not why do buildings need lightning rods. Perhaps Skeet answered on the OTHER thread. :lol: