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Dianaji - Aroma therapy

Osprey - 12-7-2009 at 05:35 PM

Dianaji

We (finally) helped you. Gave you the kind of help google doesn’t have. Well, now it’s your turn so don’t just point to some clever link. Please tell us your personal take on things.

Since you’re a part of a group, plan to manufacture aromas for therapy, please tell us about Aroma Therapy and how it could help Nomads.

I’m sure I’m not the only one who is curious about it. What kinds of odor therapies are there? Are there organic smell therapies and synthetic kinds as well? Could a person use household ambiance aromaticizers like Renuzit and others for mood enhancement? How about candles? Scented body lotion?

Are we being bombarded by bad odors that harm our chances for happy days in the kitchen, the bath, the bodega? Could it be that some of us need a lot of therapy while others have been almost continually blessed with soothing aromatic surroundings that we just don’t know about and appreciate?

Are there lists of smells according to psychological benefits? Are there smells that might make one grumpy, apprehensive, sensuously alert, bored, stimulated, angry?

Since we might even be future clients, please share with us any kinds of specialty smells you’ll be working on after you buy those gallons of Everclear and get to mixing.

DENNIS - 12-7-2009 at 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by Osprey

Are there smells that might make one grumpy, apprehensive, sensuously alert, bored, stimulated, angry?

Just fart in a confessional and see by the tears in your confessors eyes how far you are from heaven.........my son.

aromatherapy

dianaji - 12-7-2009 at 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Osprey
Dianaji tell us your personal take on things.

Since you’re a part of a group, plan to manufacture aromas for therapy, please tell us about Aroma Therapy and how it could help Nomads.

I’m sure I’m not the only one who is curious about it. What kinds of odor therapies are there? Are there organic smell

therapies and synthetic kinds as well? Could a person use household ambiance aromaticizers like Renuzit and others for mood enhancement? How about candles? Scented body lotion?

Are we being bombarded by bad odors that harm our chances for happy days in the kitchen, the bath, the bodega? Could it be that some of us need a lot of therapy while others have been almost continually blessed with soothing aromatic surroundings that we just don’t know about and appreciate?

Are there lists of smells according to psychological benefits? Are there smells that might make one grumpy, apprehensive, sensuously alert, bored, stimulated, angry?

Since we might even be future clients, please share with us any kinds of specialty smells you’ll be working on after you buy those gallons of Everclear and get to mixing.

Aromatherapy is the practice of using volatile plant oils, including essential oils, for psychological and physical well-being.

Essential oils, the pure essence of a plant, have been found to provide both psychological and physical benefits when used correctly and safely. The Essential Oil Profiles area details over 90 essential oils. Absolutes, CO2s and Hydrosols are also commonly utilized in aromatherapy. Although essential oils, CO2 extracts and absolutes are distilled by different methods, the term essential oil is sometimes used as a blanket term to include all natural, aromatic, volatile, plant oils including CO2s and absolutes.

In addition to essential oils, aromatherapy encourages the use of other complementary natural ingredients including cold pressed vegetable oils, jojoba (a liquid wax), hydrosols, herbs, milk powders, sea salts, sugars (an exfoliant), clays and muds.

mulegemichael - 12-8-2009 at 07:14 AM

dianaji...check your u2u

Osprey - 12-8-2009 at 07:23 AM

That's it? Well, my bad, I should have asked you to put me in touch with sales -- all I got was the chem people.

Dianaji

Dave - 12-8-2009 at 09:23 AM

What sign are you?

dianaji - 12-8-2009 at 09:32 AM

i am a double aries with scorpio rising...why do u ask?

what sign are u?

Martyman - 12-8-2009 at 10:03 AM

I follow the sign of the double-humped sperm whale.

Getting back to business. I read an article about the anti-microbial benefits of herbs and spices. Plants generate their oil compounds to protect themselves from phytopathogens, viruses and bacteria in nature.
These translate to protecting food and healing wounds. They are developing vegetable-based edible films to place over your food to prevent spoilage. Some interesting stuff.

mulegemichael - 12-8-2009 at 10:07 AM

there's lots of info about essential oils and their benefits on our website at www.purplehazelavender.com

Iflyfish - 12-8-2009 at 10:09 AM

I have tried some killer aroma therapy and I can well attest to its benificial properties.

Ilfyfish

dianaji - 12-8-2009 at 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by Iflyfish
I have tried some killer aroma therapy and I can well attest to its benificial properties.

Ilfyfish

can u share some of what u have found?

DENNIS - 12-8-2009 at 11:47 AM

Essential oil for me is "Mobile 1."

tripledigitken - 12-8-2009 at 11:51 AM

Make mine Extra Virgin Olive Oil from Italy, Spain or Greece.

The others mentioned here make me sneeze.

Osprey - 12-8-2009 at 11:56 AM

Flyguy, don't want to pry but if you suffered from multiple personality disorders would they employ mixtures? For example: Big Mac/fried Okra or tincture of Bluebonnets/acetone.

El Camote - 12-8-2009 at 12:02 PM

Would giving your bedmate a "dutch oven" qualify as a form of Aroma Therapy? :?:

monoloco - 12-8-2009 at 12:03 PM

I know nothing about aroma therapy but I have observed that nothing brings back a memory like a scent. Every time I smell lilacs I think of my first girlfriend.

vandenberg - 12-8-2009 at 12:24 PM

You guys trying to sharpen Diana's sense of humor. :?:

No

Dave - 12-8-2009 at 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by vandenberg
You guys trying to sharpen Diana's sense of humor. :?:

Ours.

Iflyfish - 12-8-2009 at 06:23 PM

Big O,

Met a few Multiples in my time. One needed different eye glasses for different personalities. Can be expensive.

I think any of your concoctions would drive anyone around the bend.

Iflyfish

Iflyfish - 12-8-2009 at 06:34 PM

"can u share some of what u have found?"

Eue de Acapulco (Gold), Alto de Afghani, Maui Zowie Secret Scent, Herb de Oregon (hint of Oregano), Berzerkely Banana (sweet hint of tropical fruit)

Lavender makes me sneeze. Eucalyptis makes me wheeze. Some of those other herbs drop me to my knees.

So if its scents you need I would strongly recommend the common weed.

Iflyfish

Iflyfish - 12-8-2009 at 06:37 PM

Then there is the Hops,
I smells it till I drops.
Or a heady brew,
Is that smell me or you?

Iflyfishwithwaytoomuchimagination

mulegemichael - 12-8-2009 at 09:03 PM

i like it, ff.

Iflyfish - 12-8-2009 at 11:33 PM

It must be you then, MM

IFF

Osprey - 12-9-2009 at 07:31 AM

Moderation. That's what you need. Too heavy a hit with some of those essential oils might put one in an Aroma Coma. I suppose then all odors would have to be removed. Special sterile bubble tents---Nonscents?

Actually spas that offer Aromatherapy are often quite pricey so perhaps one could use appropriate caution while still being treated to the benefits of the oils. Just say "Just a drop or two, Sean. Here's $4"

Pescador - 12-9-2009 at 08:01 AM

There are a lot of stores in certain parts of Mexico where you can not only get essential oils but scented candles to do the same thing. We have a small store in Greeley, Colorado, that has one of the biggest supplies I have ever seen and I daresay, they probably have almost all occasions covered where one might be in need of a little aroma fix. Some of the more obvious are : Getting your girlfriend or boyfriend to fall in love; making the person sick who is showing some affection for your chosen loved one; making money; selling your house; a wide assortment of cures (including impotence or too much virility); a little scent to make you irresistable; oils to drive away the evil spirits; scents to make you win at gambling; and on and on.
So, someone is buying this stuff.

Osprey - 12-9-2009 at 08:04 AM

Do have a name, a link, any way for me to get in touch with them? I have to kill and butcher a goat this weekend for a big cookout and I need something to get me in the mood.

Oil of maguey

zforbes - 12-9-2009 at 08:21 AM

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Osprey - 12-9-2009 at 08:38 AM

Excellent idea. I'll have to taste it first for purity of essence.

Santiago - 12-9-2009 at 09:06 AM

My essential oils:

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vandenberg - 12-9-2009 at 09:29 AM

Along the same lines:
James Arthur Ray's heavenly scented sweat lodge. :biggrin:

Skipjack Joe - 12-9-2009 at 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by Pescador

... oils for ... too much virility...

Looks like there may some help for my problem after all. :cool:

[Edited on 12-9-2009 by Skipjack Joe]

BajaNuts - 12-9-2009 at 05:02 PM

There was a country music star that wore absorbent pads (not sure what brand :saint:

) on his chest and back during concerts to absorb his sweat. They would then take the sweat and make cologne and sell it.

EEEEEWWWWW!

I think it was Clint Black, could be mistaken.

I know a sweaty smell is a turn-on for SOME, but if you have to get it out of the bottle....thet jest ain't reight!

BUT- back on topic, lavender oil has helped our child, and a few children of friends, to relax and go to sleep. It also helped our young guy with headaches while traveling. For some weird reason, he went through this phase where any car trip longer than about 2 minutes would give him a headache. For long trips, we had a little "pot pourri" in a bag and we'd put a couple drops of lavender oil on it. He'd smell it and relax.

There's probably a little "placebo" effect on that, but for us and friends who use it to get the kids to settle down at night, we'd put a drop on the pillow, and it seems to help.

Last summer, our young guy helped me harvest our lavender for distilling. He then took a large handful of blossoms and put them in a little covered dish on his headboard. Every night he opens the dish, gives them a stir, and off to sleep... After a while, the scent was almost gone so we'd add a drop of lavender oil to the blossoms.

dianaji - 12-9-2009 at 05:37 PM

bajanuts! yes, lavender is great. i have a blend that can be combined with other oils. like neroli and grapefruit...yum!

Pescador - 12-9-2009 at 07:34 PM

Well, don't knock it till you try it. I do a lot of bowhunting and we have a bottle of stuff that you are supposed to drop on the tree leaves or ground next to your stand that smells like a doe in heat and comes from her urine. A friend of mine who is about two nuggets short of a "Happy Meal" and who does not read the directions, poured it on his camoflage jacket and pants and then set down in a hot deer blind. When he stopped wretching I asked him if he had read the directions, and he angrily stated that any fool knew how to use that stuff.
So it just goes to show you that one animals idea of great scents is not neccesarily another animals delight.

Iflyfish - 12-9-2009 at 10:37 PM

It does appear that male and female scents have a profound affect on the opposite sex. Studies have been done with male underarm scent in alcohol on a cotton swab dabbed daily on the upper lip of women. The other group got just alcohol. The women in the group who got the scent rather than the straight alcohol swab, developed more regular 28 day cycles, while the non scent group were more random. More regular cycles predict more fecundity. Males grow more hair when exposed to female scent on a regular basis. Hair growth is tied directly to testosterone.

The olfactory bulb sits deep in the brain and lots of emotional triggers have an olfactory component to them. The olfactory bulb sits adjacent to our lymbic system, the emotional center of the brain so its proximity has a direct molecular influence on that system.

Scents like rancid meat make us want to puke, a very healthy response to a possible source of poison.

Scents play a very important role in our lives. The Provincial Museum in Vancouver B.C., a must see if in that city for lovers, has a turn of the 20th century cobble stone streat scene where are looking into a small kitchen where you can hear the sound of carriage wheels running over the cobble stones and occasionally a wift of hot apple pie will eminate from the kitchen, the combiniation of visual, auditory and olfactory experiences produces a powerful sence of de ja vu all over again.

I love the fresh, clean scent of ozone that you get right after a thunder storm with lightning flashes (that eminate from the sky). Now that is a very clean smell and one that if you have smelled it will lodge in your olfactory memory banks.

Have you ever noticed how infants smell of flowers behind their necks? Have you noticed that they all smell different? That smell assists in the bonding of parent and child and mothers can distinguish the smell of their baby from that of others.

Have you noticed that the smell of sweat that is produced via exercise is very different from that produced by fear. Fear sweat stinks to high heaven and makes you want to puke. May be a primitive protection from the interest of other carnivores in our protein rich body.

Vegitarians smell different than carnivores.

Doctors used to diagnose diabetes by the sweet smell and taste of the urine.

There are many, many more examples of the significance of the role of scent in human beings.

Iflyfish

BajaNuts - 12-9-2009 at 11:43 PM

great observations, IFlyFish-

Can you take it one step further and explain why scents that did not used to offend will make a pregnant woman hurl? And after said pregnancy, why would said woman have such a delicate nasal capacity as to hurl at the slightest olifactory offense?

edit for the sake of simplicity-
I didn't used to hurl at many unpleasant smells, but during pregnancy and after, many smells that used to not bother me, will now make me hurl....
even though I'm not pregnant now! Clear as mud?? :biggrin:

[Edited on 12-10-2009 by BajaNuts]

Iflyfish - 12-10-2009 at 08:35 AM

And you thought sleepless nights and the existance of a social time bomb in the house were the only unanticipated outcomes of pregnancy eh?

Best guess on the pg hurls is that adaptive changes of the olfactory system may act to protect from harmful chemicals and toxins.

Iflyfish

vandenberg - 12-10-2009 at 08:56 AM

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Originally posted by Iflyfish
Males grow more hair when exposed to female scent on a regular basis. Hair growth is tied directly to testosterone.

Finally an explanation why some of my friends look like gorillas. Must have been sniffing at an early age. :biggrin:

Iflyfish - 12-10-2009 at 09:02 AM

V

:lol:

Iflyfishwhennotdoubledoverinhystericallaughter

DENNIS - 12-10-2009 at 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Iflyfish
Doctors used to diagnose diabetes by the sweet smell and taste of the urine.

This technique gave birth to the Physicians Assistant.

Scents

wessongroup - 12-11-2009 at 02:53 PM

Speaking of "scents"... anyone ever watch the movie ?"Perfume" ?

or heard of pheromones?

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AcuDoc - 12-13-2009 at 01:41 PM

There is scientific proof of the benefits of "essential oils/aromatherapy". And of course if like anything can be distorted and sold to the gullible like the "potions" Pescador posted.

The same has been said about my profession which is becoming more and more accepted by the medical field and layman alike.

dianaji - 12-13-2009 at 02:26 PM

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Originally posted by AcuDoc
There is scientific proof of the benefits of "essential oils/aromatherapy". And of course if like anything can be distorted and sold to the gullible like the "potions" Pescador posted.

The same has been said about my profession which is becoming more and more accepted by the medical field and layman alike.

if your profession is chiropractic, homeopathy, or non-allopathic medicine, or anything along that nature, i am in total agreement and in full support.

dianaji - 12-13-2009 at 02:29 PM

oh, and i left out accupuncture, which it seems by your id to be the case. the problem i see is that medicare/medicall do does not accept these methods of healing.

Natalie Ann - 12-13-2009 at 02:33 PM

The movie Perfume.... I've seen it and recommend it for everyone's viewing enjoyment. :yes:

Acudoc.... Ever since a serious back injury, acupuncture has kept me walking. Obviously I'm a firm believer. And yes, it is becoming a more accepted treatment for many ailments. I've heard that even Kaiser Permanente offers acupuncture treatments for a reasonable co-pay.

nena

Natalie Ann - 12-13-2009 at 02:35 PM

dianaji - Medicare pays for chiropractic. Of course, your chiropractor needs to be willing to accept Medicare payments.

nena

Sharksbaja - 12-13-2009 at 02:40 PM

Hey Doc how does "AcuScent Aromapuncture Therapy" grab ya.

You could employ the use of smells to cover multiple bases. Alleviate pain and improve their mood at the same time.

Methinks you guys are on to sumpin'! Diana, think of the possibilities here; "Triggerfish over a mesquite fire aroma therapy", "broiled lobster aroma therapy"
"scallops with garlic sauce scent", "Baja dirt road essence" and the list goes on!

Now yer talkin' my language! :bounce:

Really?

Dave - 12-13-2009 at 02:50 PM

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Originally posted by AcuDoc
There is scientific proof of the benefits of "essential oils/aromatherapy".

Do tell.

wessongroup - 12-13-2009 at 07:13 PM

:lol:

ncampion - 12-13-2009 at 09:22 PM

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Placebos are also shown to have remarkably effective results. It's all in your head...............

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AcuDoc - 12-14-2009 at 01:18 AM

ncampion
A placebo effect does not mean it doesn't work...it just means we don't know why it works.

"Belief is powerful medicine, even if the treatment itself is a sham. New research shows placebos can also benefit patients who do not have faith in them"
source: February 2009 Scientific American Mind

natalie ann
I'm glad acupuncture worked for you. Just like western or any other form of medicine it is not for everyone for everything but it can be very useful for many people for many problems. In 1996 the AMA deemed acupuncture needles were medical devices.

dianaji
I'm a licensed acupuncturist and before that a professional licensed massage therpist for a total of 22 years. I got into the field after several knee surgeries and a massive subluxation of C6-7. Massage was part of my therapy for my operations.

When I blew my neck out and in severe pain I was working with a couple doctors. They sent me to a couple specialists and they all said I needed surgery and fusion. To make a long story short due to the results a friend of mine had for back pain I decided to try acupuncture first. I was "cured" in 3 weeks and it's been close to 20 years and it has never come back.

In my practice I use different therapeutic modalites in conjuction with traditional chinese medicine theory. For essential oils I'd take a q-tip and swab an acupuncture point. For example if someone was dealing with stress and needs to relax I'd use an essential oil known for its relaxation qualities and then swab acupuncture points traditionally used to relieve stress and calm the mind and body.

One modality I started using a few years ago is vibrational therapy which is the use of medical tuning forks. Just like acupuncture, essential oils and even western medicine is all based on the fact that the body is energy. So again using TCM theory I use medical tuning forks of specific frequencies that can tonify or sedate and acupuncture point just like I can with a needle, other frequencies have other therapeutic value. My patients really seem to like this approach and it is very useful for those patients that have a fear of needles.

If you are interested take a look at my website

http://www.therapeuticenergetics.com/

[Edited on 12-14-2009 by AcuDoc]

dianaji - 12-14-2009 at 05:53 AM

even before logging onto your website, i was thinking that if u lived closer, u would be the doctor of my choice. now, onto your website...

dianaji - 12-14-2009 at 06:02 AM

after logging onto your website, i saw how right on is my intuition about u. i welcome u being here with all of the positive ways that u are.

AcuDoc - 12-14-2009 at 10:00 AM

I've been on the Baja boards since the days of the old "Amigos" board. I don't post like I used to very much but do read the board on a consistant basis. Mostly I post on the www.vivasancarlos.com board (the political board, I'm a junkie) for the last few years.

Unfortunately the next time I plan on going to Baja won't be until April 2011...yikes

Do you practice using essential oils? You stated that you mix blends?

Bump

Dave - 12-14-2009 at 10:04 AM

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Originally posted by Dave

Quote:

Originally posted by AcuDoc
There is scientific proof of the benefits of "essential oils/aromatherapy".

Do tell.

Waiting.

dianaji - 12-14-2009 at 10:16 AM

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Originally posted by AcuDoc
I've been on the Baja boards since the days of the old "Amigos" board. I don't post like I used to very much but do read the board on a consistant basis. Mostly I post on the www.vivasancarlos.com board (the political board, I'm a junkie) for the last few years.

Unfortunately the next time I plan on going to Baja won't be until April 2011...yikes

Do you practice using essential oils? You stated that you mix blends?

yes, and have only just begun...have about 10 oils right now. love ginger, lavender, grapefruit, neroli, sweet marjoram, sandalwood, lemon and others.

too bad...maybe i'll see u in april...my birth month.

noproblemo2 - 12-14-2009 at 10:47 AM

Aromatherapy as well as accupuncture are "known" to have positive effects on many health ailments if one properly researches them. Lavendar oil is also a good flea deterrant for pets.

Known?

Dave - 12-14-2009 at 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by noproblemo2
Aromatherapy as well as accupuncture are "known" to have positive effects on many health ailments if one properly researches them.

To whom?

Quote:

Originally posted by noproblemo2 Lavendar oil is also a good flea deterrant for pets.

Yeah, my dog would love it. She'd repay my efforts by finding a pile of $#!+ to roll in.

dianaji - 12-14-2009 at 11:18 AM

dave,

i often wonder if u have anything to do other than be negative and mean spirited. doc, do u have something that might sweeten this guy up?

Excellent

Dave - 12-14-2009 at 11:24 AM

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Originally posted by dianaji
dave,

i often wonder if u have anything to do other than be negative and mean spirited.

noproblemo2 - 12-14-2009 at 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by Dave

Quote:

Originally posted by noproblemo2
Aromatherapy as well as accupuncture are "known" to have positive effects on many health ailments if one properly researches them.

To whom?

Quote:

Originally posted by noproblemo2 Lavendar oil is also a good flea deterrant for pets.

Yeah, my dog would love it. She'd repay my efforts by finding a pile of $#!+ to roll in.

Hmmmmmm, well you could start with a search on "google".
Lets see if your dog were to repay you in such a manner, you might try doing yet another search to find the dog whisperer to solve that problem.

OK

Dave - 12-14-2009 at 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by noproblemo2
Hmmmmmm, well you could start with a search on "google".

Here:

http://www.quackwatch.org/

How'd I do?

noproblemo2 - 12-14-2009 at 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by Dave

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Originally posted by noproblemo2
Hmmmmmm, well you could start with a search on "google".

Here:

http://www.quackwatch.org/

How'd I do?

Quack Quack :lol:

dianaji - 12-14-2009 at 01:36 PM

and then i found this:

http://www.quackpotwatch.org/opinionpieces/quackpot_barrett_...

notice where they mention how the people that read this stuff are not too intelligent.

oh, and speaking of rats, did u know that they HATE peppermint oil?

Right backatcha

Dave - 12-14-2009 at 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by dianaji
and then i found this:

http://www.quackpotwatch.org/opinionpieces/quackpot_barrett_...

notice where they mention how the people that read this stuff are not too intelligent.

oh, and speaking of rats, did u know that they HATE peppermint oil?

http://healthwatcher.net/quackerywatch/Hulda_Clark/Bolen/ind...

Did you know that rats HATE traps?

Sincerely yours,

The 'RAT' killer

DENNIS - 12-14-2009 at 03:16 PM

Remember "King Rat?" He made rats taste good by not telling that the food was Rat. I think he said it was chicken.
That's kinda like a placebo, isn't it?

[Edited on 12-14-2009 by DENNIS]

DENNIS - 12-14-2009 at 03:28 PM

Let's move on to the next level, shall we?
---------

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V5UBp0zyDw

Witchcraft or Catholicism?

Dave - 12-14-2009 at 03:51 PM

Tough choice.

Maybe they should put both in a blender and extract the essential oils.

Maybe they have. :rolleyes:

Hey Doc, where's that 'proof'?

Maybe I'll die first.

noproblemo2 - 12-14-2009 at 05:54 PM

"Maybe I'll die first" Or maybe you already have..... :biggrin:

AcuDoc - 12-15-2009 at 01:19 AM

I see every board has their trolls...

Do your own research, quackwatch....really. I do not have the time or the inclination to do it for you. Besides I'm sure what ever I say you are not going to believe so whats the point...no pun intended.

But then again I'm sure you and quackwatch know much more about how acupuncture works then the American Medical Association, the Food and Drug Administration, the American Osteopathic Association, American Academy of Medical Acupuncture, the National Certification Commission For Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine and the National Institute of Health....right Dave...

So unless you want to enjoy a legimate conversation then I really do not have anymore time for you on this subject and you can go play your silly game somewhere else. As they say you can lead a horse to water...

Here is a start and a brief history how TCM research started in earnest in the US:

"In the United States, very few publications mentioned acupuncture, until President Nixon visited China in 1972. Traveling with Nixon was New York Times reporter James Reston, who received acupuncture to ease pain after his emergency appendectomy, was impressed the experienced from the procedure that he wrote about acupuncture upon returning to the United States.

Then in 1971, E. Gray Diamond M.D. wrote about the experiences in China in JAMA . In 1973, the New York Society of acupuncture for physicians and dentists was formed. This was the first physician and surgeon organization in the United States dedicated to acupuncture.

In 1973, The AMA council of Scientific affairs declared acupuncture an experimental medical procedure. The FDA then required acupuncture equipment to be labeled as investigative devices. In 1983, The American Osteopathic Association endorsed the use of acupuncture as a part of the practice of medicine.

In 1987, The American Academy of Medical Acupuncture was formed as the first national physician and surgeon organization dedicated to the advancement of acupuncture within America. In 1994, the NIH and the FDA reviewed the investigational designation of acupuncture needles. In 1995, the FDA reclassified the acupuncture needles as Class II medical devices. In 1995, the U.S. FDA classified acupuncture needles as medical instruments and assured their safety and effectiveness.

Acupuncture has grown into what is now a common form of pain management therapy in many clinics and hospitals in United States. The Washington Post reported in 1994 that an estimated 15 million Americans tried acupuncture for a variety of symptoms including chronic pain, fatigue, nausea, arthritis, and digestive problems.

In 1997, the US National Institute of Health issued a report titled: "Acupuncture: The NIH Consensus Statement". It statedthat acupuncture is a very useful method for treating many conditions. It acknowledges the side effects of acupuncture areconsiderably less adverse than when compared to other medical procedures such as surgery or pharmaceuticals. In addition,the NIH made the recommendation to U.S. insurance companies to provide full coverage of acupuncture treatment for certain conditions."

http://www.acupuncturehu.com/acupuncturehistory.html

Facts Know Them, Use Them

[Edited on 12-15-2009 by AcuDoc]

AcuDoc - 12-15-2009 at 01:27 AM

Dianaji

Do you have a website? What can you tell me about your selection. I'm looking of a couple things. I'll also be in your area, kinda, in April.

I'm from Laguna beach and I'll be teaching a class in LA on Meridian Vibrational Therapy at one of the Chinese Medical Universties.

dianaji - 12-15-2009 at 07:12 AM

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Originally posted by AcuDoc
Dianaji

Do you have a website? What can you tell me about your selection. I'm looking of a couple things. I'll also be in your area, kinda, in April.

I'm from Laguna beach and I'll be teaching a class in LA on Meridian Vibrational Therapy at one of the Chinese Medical Universties.

no, doc...at one time i had a succulents website, however, just sell them on ebay and at the succulent society. (i'm sure this will begin a negative discussion about my love of plants), and that's ok. i no longer pay attention to those that want to pooh pooh anything that interests me...as there are those that do. i have found some really neat people in this group, and now there is you!

the oils that i have chosen are just those for arthritis and some just cause i adore the scents. i have an acquaintance that knows lots and she guides me when i need that. if u need to ask me anything more about the oils, please feel free. i am also becoming interested in homeopathy. anything alternative fascinates me, as i am definitely not into allopathic.

oh, and btw, there is always u2u if the trolls get out of hand.

AcuDoc - 12-15-2009 at 10:47 AM

The trolls don't bother me. The attacks and ignorance of their posts just shows how desparate they are for attention. They never have anything relevant to say and have nothing more in mind then to disrupt the board.

Poor creatures.....

wessongroup - 12-15-2009 at 10:52 AM

Our old family Doc, would not rule out any treatment for his patients .. ahhhhh.. i think that has something to do with being a "healer".. and they used to take an oath, but that may have been replaced with the student loan application..

Skipjack Joe - 12-15-2009 at 11:07 AM

Aromatherapy is like maintaining a vehicle with lubrication, tune-up, tire pressure, etc. But when parts break or wear out aromatherapy is useless.

AcuDoc - 12-15-2009 at 11:31 AM

Nobody has said if you have a heart attack that aromatherapy is going to "save you". There are many types of medicine in the world not just western. I do believe that many forms of these alternative, I choose to say integrated medicine, may have solved the problem that may have caused the heart attack. Just like the example you give SJ. If you keep your truck full of oil the engine will not seize and blow up.

You have to use common sense. When I had my private practice I had a patient come in that I had helped with back pain, he was complaining of chest pain. My first question was "have you seen a cardiologist?" He said no and I said go see a cardiologist. You need to know your scope of practice and when to refer out to other physicians.

One of my pet peeves are the chiropractors and md's that are practicing TCM and acupuncture without being full trained and qualified. The vast majority of these doctors are going to UCLA and taking a 200 hour course and then practicing TCM. There is no way that they are qualified to practice TCM. In fact it is against the law for them to say them are "licensed acupuncturist", they are "certified acupuncturists".

They may be great doctors of western med but that does not mean they are trained in this modality. It doesn't even close to the 4000 hours and the Masters Degree in TCM that I and other licensed acupucturist have. They have 200 hours of eastern med, I have 900 hours of western med, do you want me picking up a scapel on you... I don't think so. To each their own and what they are qualified to practice.

I actually believe it is unethical. Say you go to your doctor that is a wonderful western MD and he now says that he is now performing acupucture. Well in your mind he is fully qualifed, he is your doctor and you trust him. Well he isn't, not unless he has a minimum of a Masters in TCM. When I was in grad school a Masters was as far as you could go. About 8-9 years ago they started Phd's in TCM.

Just my somewhat educated position...

[Edited on 12-15-2009 by AcuDoc]

dianaji - 12-15-2009 at 11:50 AM

thanks doc for your thoroughness. will u practice while in baja?

AcuDoc - 12-15-2009 at 12:01 PM

Maybe some day when I am there the majority of the time. The easist way is to be "sponsored" by a health spa, doctor etc. It still is a lot of paperwork.

When I was in San Carlos, Sorona I did this as I was sponsored by The San Carlos Wellness Center.

Skipjack Joe - 12-15-2009 at 01:52 PM

I brought up the car analogy to show that you and Dave are arguing on different planes. Nobody will win this one because you're not talking about the same thing.

It's very common on this board. When someone get himself in an uncomfortable position he will respond in a tangentially different direction in order to place himself in a stronger position in the argument.

The Offtopic people are masters at this.

It all started with what each one defines as 'medicine'. Is aromatherapy medicine? If it is then so is taking vitamins or steam baths regularly or eating a healthy diet. I think Dave has a more rigorous definition of the word.

rts551 - 12-15-2009 at 02:24 PM

Igor
The commies did it

While at the University of Medicine

[Edited on 12-15-2009 by rts551]

AcuDoc - 12-15-2009 at 03:04 PM

Dave also has no problem posting that what he knows nothing about as far as TCM goes is just quackery. And then when he challanges me, "Hey Doc, where's that proof'?" to post proof and I do he is no where to be found. He would rather change the subject and talk about rats...

Those that do not have the expertize to discuss or debate a subject I find very often will challange your post and then disappear, change the subject or make light of the conversation. All it does is show there ignorance on a subject.

dianaji - 12-15-2009 at 03:14 PM

yes, i can recall him asking my sign and then disappearing and not even replying when i said, "why do u ask?" do u think he knows anything about astrology?

Still here

Dave - 12-15-2009 at 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by AcuDoc
Dave also has no problem posting that what he knows nothing about as far as TCM goes is just quackery. And then when he challanges me, "Hey Doc, where's that proof'?" to post proof and I do he is no where to be found.

This was the original post:

Really?

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Originally posted by Dave

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Originally posted by AcuDoc
There is scientific proof of the benefits of "essential oils/aromatherapy".

Do tell.

I appreciate your post on TCM (had to look that up), and will acknowledge that although this jury is still out on whether acupuncture is simply placebo effect, there may be limited benefits, primarily with regard to pain relief.

Now, returning to my original question... :rolleyes:

I know enough to know that

Dave - 12-15-2009 at 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by dianaji
do u think he knows anything about astrology?

NO ONE knows anything about astrology.

But I could be wrong.

I'd Love to hear from you on the subject.

Sharksbaja - 12-15-2009 at 04:38 PM

Ohhhhh man!!

Be very careful there Dave. Her planets may be lined up!

dianaji - 12-15-2009 at 04:53 PM

sorry, i've been baited enough...no longer biting the hook. one thing i will say, my venus is in pisces and we are lovers, not fighters.

Does Uranus know?

Dave - 12-15-2009 at 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by dianaji
my venus is in pisces

dianaji - 12-15-2009 at 05:28 PM

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noproblemo2 - 12-15-2009 at 05:29 PM

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Does Uranus know?Originally posted by Dave

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Originally posted by dianaji
my venus is in pisces

OMG!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

[Edited on 12-16-2009 by noproblemo2]

DENNIS - 12-15-2009 at 05:30 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

Quote:

Originally posted by dianaji
my venus is in pisces

The last thing I want is my penis in a vice. OUCH

Clean up on aisle 5

Dave - 12-15-2009 at 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by dianaji
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Sharksbaja - 12-15-2009 at 07:02 PM

ROFLMAO!!

AcuDoc - 12-15-2009 at 09:37 PM

Dave
I appreciate you taking the time to at least look into the subject. However I will disagree that the jury is out. I base my opinion on the AMA deemed acupuncture needles as medcial devices and the American medical community accepting TCM as a viable treatment protocol in many areas not just pain.

I put TCM into four categories:
1. pain/stress management, injury prevention/rehabilatation and sports medicine (this is my specialty)
2. internal medicine ie coughs, colds, flu, allergies, trigeminal neuralgia, fibromyalgia, diabetes, cancer etc.
3. women and gynecological problems from pms to amennorhea to dismenorrhea to infertility etc.
4. what the western med calls psychological problems, we call this shen distubances. The shen is your spirit or your being so mood swings, depression, insomnia etc.

I also base my opinion on the results I experienced after having four doctors tell me I needed surgery and spinal fusion for a neck injury and have acupuncture "cure" that extremely painful condition in 3 weeks of treatments.

And once again I base my opinion on the results of practicing TCM for 12 years post graduation from receiving a Masters of Science Degree in Traditional Oriental Medicine.

[Edited on 12-16-2009 by AcuDoc]