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Electric Gadget

BabyZarathustra - 12-9-2009 at 09:48 PM

TextPeople who are still paying high electricity bills should consider getting Eguard. Eguard will reduce 30% off your electrical consumption. It stabilizes your electrical current reducing kilowatt consumption and protecting your electric appliances. You can see immediate results on your first month electricity bill. It is absolutely legal to use and very simple to install. You will be saving money as soon as you plug it in. You will have a quick return on investment .

Your investment on Eguard with a 12 months one to one exchange warranty from the date purchased in the event of any defects.

Skipjack Joe - 12-9-2009 at 11:41 PM

Frederick Nietzche? :?:

Woooosh - 12-10-2009 at 07:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Frederick Nietzche? :?:


likely it's baby's daddy. These gadgets should come with a free two month trial if thy are so certain of results. You burn what you use and baja has the problem of low voltage more than high voltage.

Taco de Baja - 12-10-2009 at 08:16 AM

If I put it in my electric car, will it go 30% longer between charges? :lol:

Don Alley - 12-10-2009 at 08:38 AM

I bought two and saved 60% on my electric bill.

vandenberg - 12-10-2009 at 08:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Don Alley
I bought two and saved 60% on my electric bill.


Wish I had brainstorms like that.:P:biggrin:

And BTW, welcome newbie!!!...... and what else you got on sale ???:biggrin::biggrin:

[Edited on 12-10-2009 by vandenberg]

Woooosh - 12-10-2009 at 08:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Don Alley
I bought two and saved 60% on my electric bill.


for real?

Taco de Baja - 12-10-2009 at 08:55 AM

Found more info on this AMAZING device. (Or it's Chinese knock off)

Translated to the English from the language spoken in the country of the Chinese:

How it works and what is does is now as clear as the muddy Yangtze River.
Quote:
Product Feature

All of our electricity supply is subject to surges from time to time, which result in spikes that can be damaging to your household electrical appliances.

These spikes simply consume electricity, resulting in overheating, which shortens the life of our electrical appliances and wiring of our home. In extreme cases electrical spikes can cause burns, blow outs and even power cuts.

The ePowerSaver helps to stabilize voltages and reduce currents in your power supplies. It improves the power factor by reducing the amount of electricity that is used from our utility company. This is accomplished by supplying electricity locally at the load by the use of specially designed capacitor. These advanced capacitor store the additional electricity needed for stabilizing electric current within an inductive load.(for example when we turn on our air condition unit).

Therefore, the amount of electricity purchased from our utility company by a power factor optimization has been greatly reduced and resulting in power savings for our home or office.

Now, with the help of ePowerSaver, there is a smart way to reduce up to 30% of your electricity consumption every month. No more high electricity bill you have to pay. Now, you can Use Power With Le$$ Cost

Extra electrical power can also be loss naturally when being transmitted (call wire loss) or at the instant of turning on the electrical appliances.

Our ePowerSaver does not consume much electricity itself. You can on it continuously 24 hours a day all year round without its affecting your electricity costs.

ePowerSaver is suitable for inductive and capacitive appliances, such as air conditioners, refrigerators, washing machines, stereos, fluorescent lamps, electric fans, televisions, etc.(please refer to FAQ for Electrical Products Comsumption Info)

It is so easy to use,just plug the ePowerSaver in any of the indoor outlets of single phase 90V - 250V/ 50 Hz ¨C 60Hz supplies. It will be more efficient if you choose a location where there are fewer appliances nearby and closest to the meter.


ePowerSaver

DENNIS - 12-10-2009 at 08:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Don Alley
I bought two and saved 60% on my electric bill.


Well...let's see......if you bought four, CFE would be sending you a check for 20% each month. :lol:

arrowhead - 12-10-2009 at 02:13 PM

It's an old scam. The device won't save any power. All it is is a capacitor. In order to have even the slightest bit of help, it would have to be on the same line as an inductive device, like a motor, and then disconnected after the motor started up. An inductive load causes a phase shift between the voltage and the current, with the current lagging the voltage. A capacitor causes a shift that is 180 out of phase from the inductive load, thereby bringing the voltage and current closer togehter -- if everything is designed properly.

The only probelm is the power meter on your house doesn't care about phase shifts or power quality or power efficiency. It measures watts of energy consumed. That device will not effect the power meter at all.

comitan - 12-10-2009 at 04:16 PM

This gadget is advertised in the Gringo Gazette.:lol::lol:

ncampion - 12-10-2009 at 05:35 PM

I know about volts, amps and watts, but what exactly is the "Power factor" ? I never learned about that unit of electircal energy.

Carrie Duncan Will Take Anyone's Ad

Bajahowodd - 12-10-2009 at 05:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by comitan
This gadget is advertised in the Gringo Gazette.:lol::lol:



Arrowhead is correct. There is no device that can cut your electric use. That said, I recall, back in the day, people I knew in SOCAL would carefully cut the seal tag on their electric meters, pull them off and turn them upside down, causing the meter to run backward, which would actually cause the reading to reverse. I had a friend who was actually caught by a meter reader, and feigned ignorance saying that he recently had electrical work done and his electrician must have remove the meter and replaced it wrong.

There is only one device that I could recommend regarding electricity and that would be a combo power strip and conditioner. Use it with delicate electronic devices such as your PC and TV. The unit will filter spikes and dropoffs in the voltage insulating the equipment from such activity. And it will break the circuit in the event of a major problem.

High end audio stores sell some of these things for upward of $500. But there are some available for around $100. Check out Audioadvisor.com

Santiago - 12-10-2009 at 05:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Don Alley
I bought two and saved 60% on my electric bill.


DA: you must have been sick the day they teached percentages: The first one you use reduces your consumption by 30% resulting in usage at 70% of normal. The next one reduces the 70% by 30%, resulting in an additional 21% savings for a total of a 51% savings, not a 60%. They're multiplicative, not additive.
Sheesh

Udo - 12-10-2009 at 06:06 PM

Looks like newbie BabyZarathustra, must think that Nomads are a gullible bunch with TWO posts, the two acre lot and now this gadget.:no:

Nomads have seen and heard it all so far. Tough group to pull the wool over the Nomad's eyes.:biggrin:

I also noticed that BZ is not answering some concerns on either post.:no:

vandenberg - 12-10-2009 at 06:27 PM

BabyZ send me a U2U, thanking me for welcoming him to the Forum.:yes:
However, with my suspicious mind, I believe I detected maybe a hint of sarcasm.:biggrin::biggrin:

[Edited on 12-11-2009 by vandenberg]

jeans - 12-10-2009 at 06:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Santiago
Quote:
Originally posted by Don Alley
I bought two and saved 60% on my electric bill.


DA: you must have been sick the day they teached percentages: The first one you use reduces your consumption by 30% resulting in usage at 70% of normal. The next one reduces the 70% by 30%, resulting in an additional 21% savings for a total of a 51% savings, not a 60%. They're multiplicative, not additive.
Sheesh
Now my brain hurts... and "multiplicative" is a 50 point word...

Santiago - 12-10-2009 at 09:08 PM

Quote:
Now my brain hurts... and "multiplicative" is a 50 point word...


Thanks, but I was really just trying to impress Don; from what I hear you're fairly easy to impress.:P

BabyZarathustra - 12-10-2009 at 09:59 PM

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Originally posted by udowinkler
Looks like newbie BabyZarathustra, must think that Nomads are a gullible bunch with TWO posts, the two acre lot and now this gadget.:no:

Nomads have seen and heard it all so far. Tough group to pull the wool over the Nomad's eyes.:biggrin:

I also noticed that BZ is not answering some concerns on either post.:no:


Hi udowinkler, I don't think anything about anyone before I get a chance to know them, (sorry, but I'm not judgmental) but it's good to know you have seen & heard it all. Must be boring having nothing new to look forward everyday you wake up. Even though it is amazing that you speak for everybody and you are a mind reader, I wanna be like you when I grow up.

Sorry for not answering right away. It's mainly because I still have things to see & hear in this world. I'm easily amazed :tumble::tumble:

BabyZarathustra - 12-10-2009 at 10:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by vandenberg
BabyZ send me a U2U, thanking me for welcoming him to the Forum.:yes:
However, with my suspicious mind, I believe I detected maybe a hint of sarcasm.:biggrin::biggrin:

[Edited on 12-11-2009 by vandenberg]


Vandenberg, too bad you took it that way. I want to think this is just the crap newbies have to get through to be part of the Baja Nomad bunch. Hope it's worth it.

Anyway, just to clarify things. I wasn't being sarcastic just wanted to thank you for the welcome. Not everybody is a bitter, sarcastic know-it-all.

Ohhh, and I'm not a HIM but a HER. :P

BabyZarathustra - 12-10-2009 at 10:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Taco de Baja
Found more info on this AMAZING device. (Or it's Chinese knock off)

Translated to the English from the language spoken in the country of the Chinese:

How it works and what is does is now as clear as the muddy Yangtze River.

Quote:
Product Feature

All of our electricity supply is subject to surges from time to time, which result in spikes that can be damaging to your household electrical appliances.

These spikes simply consume electricity, resulting in overheating, which shortens the life of our electrical appliances and wiring of our home. In extreme cases electrical spikes can cause burns, blow outs and even power cuts.

The ePowerSaver helps to stabilize voltages and reduce currents in your power supplies. It improves the power factor by reducing the amount of electricity that is used from our utility company. This is accomplished by supplying electricity locally at the load by the use of specially designed capacitor. These advanced capacitor store the additional electricity needed for stabilizing electric current within an inductive load.(for example when we turn on our air condition unit).

Therefore, the amount of electricity purchased from our utility company by a power factor optimization has been greatly reduced and resulting in power savings for our home or office.

Now, with the help of ePowerSaver, there is a smart way to reduce up to 30% of your electricity consumption every month. No more high electricity bill you have to pay. Now, you can Use Power With Le$$ Cost

Extra electrical power can also be loss naturally when being transmitted (call wire loss) or at the instant of turning on the electrical appliances.

Our ePowerSaver does not consume much electricity itself. You can on it continuously 24 hours a day all year round without its affecting your electricity costs.

ePowerSaver is suitable for inductive and capacitive appliances, such as air conditioners, refrigerators, washing machines, stereos, fluorescent lamps, electric fans, televisions, etc.(please refer to FAQ for Electrical Products Comsumption Info)

It is so easy to use,just plug the ePowerSaver in any of the indoor outlets of single phase 90V - 250V/ 50 Hz ¨C 60Hz supplies. It will be more efficient if you choose a location where there are fewer appliances nearby and closest to the meter.


ePowerSaver


Thanks for the info. I didn't know about the Chinese version, but what don't Chinese make a copy of?

BabyZarathustra - 12-10-2009 at 10:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Don Alley
I bought two and saved 60% on my electric bill.


Well...let's see......if you bought four, CFE would be sending you a check for 20% each month. :lol:


LMAO, I will give you all 4 as a Christmas present if you show me a reimbursement check from CFE.

I may be a newbie here but I've lived in Mexico long enough to know about CFE, but I am open to new experiences and good surprises. Amaze me please. ;D

BabyZarathustra - 12-10-2009 at 10:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by arrowhead
It's an old scam. The device won't save any power. All it is is a capacitor. In order to have even the slightest bit of help, it would have to be on the same line as an inductive device, like a motor, and then disconnected after the motor started up. An inductive load causes a phase shift between the voltage and the current, with the current lagging the voltage. A capacitor causes a shift that is 180 out of phase from the inductive load, thereby bringing the voltage and current closer togehter -- if everything is designed properly.

The only probelm is the power meter on your house doesn't care about phase shifts or power quality or power efficiency. It measures watts of energy consumed. That device will not effect the power meter at all.



:?: I am amazed you haven't designed an every saver with all you know.

Unfortunately, I am not as smart as you, so I kept it simple.

To me this is this simple.

I made a 2 day test.


Day 1 8:00 a.m. - wrote down the numbers on my meter.
8:00 p.m. - wrote down the numbers on my meter.

I get the number of kilowatts I used in that 12 hour period by doing a simple subtraction.


Day 2 7:45 a.m. - plugged the unit
8:00 a.m. - wrote down the numbers on my meter.
8:00 p.m. - wrote down the numbers on my meter.

I got a different number of kilowatts used (obviously less) even though I did the same things I did the day before.

But then I made it even more simple. Every time I sell a unit I go to the meter with the customer and we count the times the disc goes around in 5 minutes. I plug in the unit, wait 15 minutes and we count again.

Most people don't care "HOW", they just want to pay less for electricity and the only way to do that is by consuming less kilowatts.

I may be wrong, but I doubt it.

Have a good night! ;D

BabyZarathustra - 12-10-2009 at 10:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ncampion
I know about volts, amps and watts, but what exactly is the "Power factor" ? I never learned about that unit of electircal energy.


Arrowhead or Udowrinkle can answer, they KNOW IT ALL!! I'm just a newbie. ;)

ncampion - 12-11-2009 at 07:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BabyZarathustra

Every time I sell a unit...


Ah Ha... you sell these things, of course they work great!!!


.

vandenberg - 12-11-2009 at 08:00 AM

Baby,
Sorry I doubted your sincerity. If I would have known you were a woman, I would have abstained.:biggrin:

It does explain your trust in this gadget. Females seem easier to convince of the workings of such.:P
And your testing ability is to be admired.

And again....welcome to the forum.:saint:

Don Alley - 12-11-2009 at 08:23 AM

I amend my statement.

I bought two and saved zero.



[Edited on 12-11-2009 by Don Alley]

Taco de Baja - 12-11-2009 at 08:31 AM

Unless your house is wired so that ALL power goes through the same circuit that the device is plugged into (maybe they do they in MX?) it CAN NOT WORK.

Most houses that are built to code have 10+ circuit breakers (circuits). That's why you can overload one circuit, have it pop at the "fuse box", and still have power going to the rest of the house, they are essentially on different lines that are NOT interconnected.

The only way to potentially have this capacitor device work would be to hard wire a single one in to each and every electric device in your house….all 50+ of them. And if it really worked don't you think the appliance manufactures would already be smart enough know to put a capacitor device like this in their equipment to get better “Energy Star” ratings…And if they did put one in there, do you think it would it help reduce the non-appliance electricity usage throughout your house just because it was there?.....NOT.

arrowhead - 12-11-2009 at 08:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BabyZarathustra
Unfortunately, I am not as smart as you, so I kept it simple.


Oh, well then, if you want it simple I can do that too.

The attorney general of Texas is prosecuting people who sell your "wonderful" device.

http://www.oag.state.tx.us/oagNews/release.php?id=2456

The Department of Engery says they are useless:

http://energystar.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/energystar.cfg/php/en...

This guy tested it and says the people marketing your device are psychopaths:

http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/06/16/useless-power-savers...

Here's some more:

http://electricitysaver.com.au/home/index.php/how-does-it-wo...

BabyZarathustra - 12-11-2009 at 11:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by arrowhead
Quote:
Originally posted by BabyZarathustra
Unfortunately, I am not as smart as you, so I kept it simple.


Oh, well then, if you want it simple I can do that too.

The attorney general of Texas is prosecuting people who sell your "wonderful" device.

http://www.oag.state.tx.us/oagNews/release.php?id=2456

The Department of Engery says they are useless:

http://energystar.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/energystar.cfg/php/en...

This guy tested it and says the people marketing your device are psychopaths:

http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/06/16/useless-power-savers...

Here's some more:

http://electricitysaver.com.au/home/index.php/how-does-it-wo...


Ooops, guess you outsmarted me this time Arrowhead. I didn't know this was about the Baja in Texas or Australia. I live in Baja California, MEXICO. Sorry, guess I was on the wrong map. I clicked on the links you so kindly sent me.

Too bad for the people in Texas, I only go there for a good steak sandwich from time to time.

Why would I worry what the Department of Energy has to say? I wonder what there comment would be on the rates CFE charges gringos in BAJA CALIFORNIA, MEXICO?

Regarding Energy Star, I believe I have never posted that my product has that certification. But you are smart, I guess you knew that.

I am sure Dan's imaginary friend thinks everybody is a psychopath. Say hello to him for me please.

And last but not least, Australia. I don't plan on going kangarroing anytime soon so no worries there.

Keep on clicking n posting. It's always good to start a new day laughing.

;D

BabyZarathustra - 12-11-2009 at 11:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ncampion
Quote:
Originally posted by BabyZarathustra

Every time I sell a unit...


Ah Ha... you sell these things, of course they work great!!!


.


It usually works to believe in what you do or sell. I thought it was OBVIOUS to everyone. Anyway, thanks for your enlightening comment. I'm sure it will have everyone that reads working their brains off. Very Interesting. :biggrin:

BabyZarathustra - 12-11-2009 at 11:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Taco de Baja
Unless your house is wired so that ALL power goes through the same circuit that the device is plugged into (maybe they do they in MX?) it CAN NOT WORK.

Most houses that are built to code have 10+ circuit breakers (circuits). That's why you can overload one circuit, have it pop at the "fuse box", and still have power going to the rest of the house, they are essentially on different lines that are NOT interconnected.

The only way to potentially have this capacitor device work would be to hard wire a single one in to each and every electric device in your house….all 50+ of them. And if it really worked don't you think the appliance manufactures would already be smart enough know to put a capacitor device like this in their equipment to get better “Energy Star” ratings…And if they did put one in there, do you think it would it help reduce the non-appliance electricity usage throughout your house just because it was there?.....NOT.


I have no comment for the above series of words. Just wanted to wish you a nice day. Keep on dreaming of Baja while I get to spend my days here, cable n wire knowledge or not.

BabyZarathustra - 12-11-2009 at 11:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by vandenberg
Baby,
Sorry I doubted your sincerity. If I would have known you were a woman, I would have abstained.:biggrin:

It does explain your trust in this gadget. Females seem easier to convince of the workings of such.:P
And your testing ability is to be admired.

And again....welcome to the forum.:saint:


Nahh, don't worry Van. Us females tend to make a big fuzz about everything. We are naive and even dumb. Good thing you were born from a guy. :lol:

Once again (VERY SINCERELY), thanks you the warm welcome. :saint:

vandenberg - 12-11-2009 at 11:59 AM

Well Baby Zara, for all it's worth, I love your responses.
You do show a lovely combative streak, which will serve you well on this forum.:biggrin:
Don't go away, we need new blood.:saint:

BabyZarathustra - 12-12-2009 at 09:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lencho
Quote:
Originally posted by BabyZarathustra
Ooops, guess you outsmarted me this time Arrowhead. I didn't know this was about the Baja in Texas or Australia. I live in Baja California, MEXICO.

As far as I know, Mexico operates under the same laws of physics as Australia (although I've heard Aussies' toilets rotate the wrong way.)

BabyZarathustra, since you were kind enough to send me that NOM certification (Folks, for what it's worth, those things do have government approval for sale here), I've done enough research to conclude that:

1) These devices probably DO improve the power factor on household circuits; they may even be able to do it selectively (ie switch out their capacitance when there's no heavy inductive load happening).

2) Whether that will measurably lower one's electrical bills, depends on the type of meters the CFE is installing for domestic consumers. BZ, do you have any indication that domestic CFE meters consider power factor in their measurements? That would be unusual (that type of meter is higher technology and normally installed only for industrial customers if at all).

I'm fascinated by the tests that you describe having done personally. Theoretically, you should not have gotten the results you saw. :?:

--Larry


Hi Larry,

I have no idea what kind of meters CFE uses. Good thing you say the units are legal cause I haven't been able to party at all since I read the Attorney General of Texas would come after me. :P

Regarding the results of the tests, I find it simple. Every single power line has spikes, notches (sags, dips and surges). All of these are taken by the meter as kilowatts used. By keeping the power line stable you will not be consuming as many kilowatts. If you use less kilowatts you pay less.

Anyway, I sold the last unit today, so I don't really have anything else to do around here.

Ohhh, but before I leave, I just want to clear up the fact that I never posted an ad in the Gringo Gazette. They took an ad I put in cabomarket.com, translated it & published it there. Guess Bajahowodd is right, Carrie Duncan will take anyone's ad.

Thus spoke BZ.

Santiago - 12-12-2009 at 10:32 PM

Wouldn't Fred also have agreed that one must have dancing within you to give birth to a chaotic star? I think he would.

Popcorn Anyone?

fixtrauma - 12-13-2009 at 04:58 AM

Okay.........got my popcorn and my feet up. Guess I am coming in with the show already started!

:):smug::smug::)

dianaji - 12-13-2009 at 06:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by vandenberg
Well Baby Zara, for all it's worth, I love your responses.
You do show a lovely combative streak, which will serve you well on this forum.:biggrin:
Don't go away, we need new blood.:saint:

dianaji - 12-13-2009 at 06:39 AM

i love your responses also and I welcome u, baby zara,

perhaps u have a thicker skin than i. posting on this forum is frustrating...therefore don't do much posting anymore, since many here have nothing to do but put down newbies and chase them away. however, there are a few sincere members here that are supportive and helpful. i hope your electrical gadget is as u say it is as i find it fascinating.