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What I like about the People of Baja

Skeet/Loreto - 12-15-2009 at 02:25 PM

Their ability to live in a Cardboad Shack and still laugh and have a smile on their faces as they send their Kids off to School!
The Kids for the same Smiles and Laughs as they swim in the surf among the Stringrays.

The fisherman on the beach with that "I will catch one look"" after two hours fishing.

The calm and peace on the faces of the older women as they come out of the Mission after Mass.

The faces of the People standing around the Fish Taco Stand in La Paz, eating smiling,flirting, giggling and having a great time.

Barry A. - 12-15-2009 at 02:33 PM

I'M WITH YOU, SKEET.

Barry

Donjulio - 12-15-2009 at 02:35 PM

Yeah I agree Skeet. That is why I live here. I came to hang out with the Mexican people who know that family, friends and a good fiesta is much more important than the material stuff. They are great teachers.

wessongroup - 12-15-2009 at 02:48 PM

You got my vote... Ditto's

Happy feets, do your stuff

Dave - 12-15-2009 at 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Their ability to live in a Cardboad Shack and still laugh and have a smile on their faces as they send their Kids off to School!


Unfrickinbelievable.

Barry A. - 12-15-2009 at 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by Dave
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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Their ability to live in a Cardboad Shack and still laugh and have a smile on their faces as they send their Kids off to School!


Unfrickinbelievable.


Which???? living in cardboard shacks??? laughing and smiling???? or sending their kids off to school?????

Barry

bajabass - 12-15-2009 at 04:13 PM

I like the fact that the store owners in La Mision have taken the time to remember my name. How a cheesy little carnival brings out everyone in their best clothes. How people I barely know, or do not know at all, will stop by my house and help me, without being asked. Then refuse pay for help or materials they have let me use. Smiles from the bag boy at the market, for a 10 peso tip. How a gringo can steal the prettiest daughter from a family, and instantly treat me like I've been in the family for decades. The intense gratitude I witness evey time I give a few fish to the workers at the marina, or a few lures to the marines guarding the marina. The list goes on. Baja is my new home, for these and many other reasons. Gracias Baja!!!

Skeet/Loreto - 12-15-2009 at 04:33 PM

You are a Lucky Man/ Mi Amigo!

toneart - 12-15-2009 at 04:42 PM

Sometimes Skeet makes me go>>>>>:?::rolleyes::spingrin:, but the Skeet in this post is the one that makes me go>>>>>:bounce::yes:

His love of the Mexican People is genuine and it shows his heart.

DENNIS - 12-15-2009 at 04:45 PM

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Originally posted by Dave
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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Their ability to live in a Cardboad Shack and still laugh and have a smile on their faces as they send their Kids off to School!

Happy feets, do your stuff
Unfrickinbelievable.


This is, by far, the most entertaining bit of stupidity offered here in this forum since I've been here.
Gawwwdamity...I wish JR could see this.

Skeet....Die...please.

toneart - 12-15-2009 at 04:50 PM

I don't see it that way, Dave and Dennis. While poverty is difficult to witness, they know how to live simply...and smile. I can't imagine what it must be like for them. Of course their misery is obvious, but the way they manage to play and smile and enjoy the simple things that we often overlook is heartwarming.

Skeet/Loreto - 12-15-2009 at 05:09 PM

Dennis. It is obvious to e that you are a DRUG ADDICT!

I feel very sorry for you and will forgive you for you being an Burro Hole...Let us Pray that Dennis will be forgiven and find a heart so that he may Smile and be Happy as the poor mexicano Baja People Are.

They are so much more than he will ever be !!

God Bless you

DENNIS - 12-15-2009 at 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by toneart
I don't see it that way, Dave and Dennis. While poverty is difficult to witness, they know how to live simply...and smile. I can't imagine what it must be like for them. Of course their misery is obvious, but the way they manage to play and smile and enjoy the simple things that we often overlook is heartwarming.



Pure ***ing bulchit, Tony. It isn't about how they handel it, live simply as you say. It's how you and I look at and do nothing about it.
"Smile and enjoy"....You said that? What the *** is heartwarming about that? That they forgive us, their observors of their miseries?
They don't. They hate us for our noblesse oblige.
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"the way they manage to play and smile and enjoy the simple things"
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You make them sound like pets.
Sorry Tony. We disagree.

toneart - 12-15-2009 at 05:16 PM

Well, alrighty then, Pet Detective!

We have and still do plenty for them. None are my "pets". Some are friends, however.

To observe smiles is not to be without compassion.

Barry A. - 12-15-2009 at 05:43 PM

We do see things differently, at times, we NOMADS.

I TOTALLY disagree with Dennis's point on this, and I do NOT believe the Mexicanos that Skeet is talking about "obviously live in misery". I don't believe for a second that "they hate us", either. That would be like me saying I hate Donald Trump because he is successful and rich????? Could not be further from the truth. I admire his success, ability and smarts-------and that is it!! but I don't envy him. I envy the spirit that the back-country Mexicano's display daily, and try to stay as positive thinking as they do-----their attitude is something to aspire too.

Like always, everything is relative. I remain totally supportive of Skeeter's point here.

Wonderful people-----period, and I admire and respect them.

Barry

David K - 12-15-2009 at 05:44 PM

Wow... it is Christmas time and the nastiness goes on. Sometimes people are happy with what they have, so don't fault them or Skeet's observations.

Dave, you were happier when you were making those great pastrami sandwiches... Will you ever again...?

DENNIS - 12-15-2009 at 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Dennis. It is obvious to e that you are a DRUG ADDICT!

he may Smile and be Happy as the poor mexicano Baja People Are.



Oh gosh...you know my secret, Skeet. How did you know?
Is there any way you can help me so I can shake my drug habit? I dream of the day...well, they may be heroin dreams but, dreams none the less, that I may grin like an idiot in tough times just like your Christmas Card Mexicans who, after being dispossed of their land and told to work for nothing, take a nap up against a cactus that doesn't hurt anywhere near the pain that they were dealt from their liberators such as you, Skeet, who has made their life better while not speaking a word of their language and treating them equal....if equal is a slobbering obedient child.

Write your book, Skeet. I need a laugh. When your first draft is ready, run it through spell-check...sit back...and watch your computer explode.

I'm done defending you. It goes nowhere.

arrowhead - 12-15-2009 at 06:00 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Their ability to live in a Cardboad Shack and still laugh and have a smile on their faces as they send their Kids off to School!


It is truly amazing that a man who claims to be a minister could be so lacking in empathy and be so unaware of the human condition.

What a goyishekup.

Barry A. - 12-15-2009 at 06:07 PM

What's a "goyishekup."??

arrowhead - 12-15-2009 at 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
What's a "goyishekup."??


I can't tell you. You have to be a MOT.

vandenberg - 12-15-2009 at 06:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Their ability to live in a Cardboad Shack and still laugh and have a smile on their faces as they send their Kids off to School!
The Kids for the same Smiles and Laughs as they swim in the surf among the Stringrays.

The fisherman on the beach with that "I will catch one look"" after two hours fishing.

The calm and peace on the faces of the older women as they come out of the Mission after Mass.

The faces of the People standing around the Fish Taco Stand in La Paz, eating smiling,flirting, giggling and having a great time.


Not half bad for an old pain in the A$$.
But, I'm with you on this one Skeeter.

Barry A. - 12-15-2009 at 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by arrowhead
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Originally posted by Barry A.
What's a "goyishekup."??


I can't tell you. You have to be a MOT.


Oh------ (I feel so out-of-it) :(

B

Might I suggest

Dave - 12-15-2009 at 06:30 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Oh gosh...you know my secret, Skeet. How did you know?
Is there any way you can help me so I can shake my drug habit? I dream of the day...well, they may be heroin dreams but, dreams none the less, that I may grin like an idiot in tough times just like your Christmas Card Mexicans


A life of abstinence and poverty?

But before you take your vows could you score me some Percodan and maybe a little blow?

Also, could you leave me the house and jeep?

I'd ask for the all the beer but I don't want to appear gluttonous. Besides, you'll probably be wanting to throw a big 'going away' bash.

Don't forget to save the empty beer boxes. You'll surely have enough to build a 12 room mansion.

Your partner in prayer and salvation,
Dave

oldlady - 12-15-2009 at 06:43 PM

How did pastrami sandwiches get into this?

DENNIS - 12-15-2009 at 06:45 PM

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Originally posted by Dave
Your partner in prayer and salvation,
Dave



Thanks....I'll share it with Pope Skeeter who coined the phrase, "A smiling Mexican is a happy Mexican."

David K - 12-15-2009 at 06:52 PM

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Originally posted by oldlady
How did pastrami sandwiches get into this?


Before your time on Nomad, perhaps? Dave owned the Nueva York Deli on Hwy. 1 just south of Puerto Nuevo... Between Rosarito and Ensenada. Very good! The building still is there with the name, last time I drove by.

oldlady - 12-15-2009 at 08:00 PM

Aha.! Thanks, David..I think the mentsh may have sandbagged me a bit on another thread.

Mensch

toneart - 12-15-2009 at 08:32 PM

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Originally posted by oldlady
Aha.! Thanks, David..I think the mentsh may have sandbagged me a bit on another thread.

Skeet/Loreto - 12-16-2009 at 08:44 AM

First: I am not a Minster but do Spend time and money for Warm Jackets for Cold Kids who live near Constitution.
Guess my Mother rasied me to "Care for people".

I feel so sorry for Dennis and his Addiction. Wish I could somehow save him from his Hate filled Life!

I spent many years among the good and happy people of Baja, especially in the Loreto area.None of them ever complained to me about their lives, rich ones or poor one!
Their Compassion far exceeds that of most Americans. Wonder Why!

Their Words, actions, Smiles , and Laughter shows what is in their Hearts.

Just like the Hate, Anger,spiteful, filth, shown in Dennis.

DENNIS - 12-16-2009 at 08:50 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Just like the Hate, Anger,spiteful, filth, shown in Dennis.


Save your judgemental crap for your best seller, you old delusional fraud. Just send money. :lol:

vandenberg - 12-16-2009 at 08:51 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Their Compassion far exceeds that of most Americans.


Tell that to the folks that were the recipients of the Marshall plan, rebuilding Europe after WW11. And the poor folks in Africa and Asia and whereever else in this world.
Wonder what they ever did with all those funds they received from Mexico.:no::biggrin:

Don't overdo it Skeet.

Skeeet IS A JOKE in Human Clothing

CaboRon - 12-16-2009 at 08:54 AM

What A Load of BS

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
First: I am not a Minster but do Spend time and money for Warm Jackets for Cold Kids who live near Constitution.
Guess my Mother rasied me to "Care for people".

I feel so sorry for Dennis and his Addiction. Wish I could somehow save him from his Hate filled Life!

I spent many years among the good and happy people of Baja, especially in the Loreto area.None of them ever complained to me about their lives, rich ones or poor one!
Their Compassion far exceeds that of most Americans. Wonder Why!

Their Words, actions, Smiles , and Laughter shows what is in their Hearts.

Just like the Hate, Anger,spiteful, filth, shown in Dennis.


.................

DENNIS - 12-16-2009 at 09:09 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto

I spent many years among the good and happy people of Baja, especially in the Loreto area.None of them ever complained to me about their lives


That speaks volumes to their character and your lack of same for not being able to discern reality.
Besides, why would they complain to you? Couldn't you tell something was amiss by the lack of zip in their dance step?

"Those good and happy people of Baja."
Gawwwdam....your inability to see below the surface is embarrassing and I have to wonder how you would evaluate the inscrutable Asians. You would probably think they're the happiest people on earth.

DianaT - 12-16-2009 at 09:17 AM

Have made many good friends and admire much about the culture,


but romanticizing poverty is a way of accepting poverty as OK.

CaboRon - 12-16-2009 at 09:43 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto

I spent many years among the good and happy people of Baja, especially in the Loreto area.None of them ever complained to me about their lives


That speaks volumes to their character and your lack of same for not being able to discern reality.
Besides, why would they complain to you? Couldn't you tell something was amiss by the lack of zip in their dance step?

"Those good and happy people of Baja."
Gawwwdam....your inability to see below the surface is embarrassing and I have to wonder how you would evaluate the inscrutable Asians. You would probably think they're the happiest people on earth.


I totally agree with your assesment of Skeet's lack of reality.

Osprey - 12-16-2009 at 09:46 AM

O' Mexico







When I moved to Mexico I had no real pre-conceived ideas about what it would be like to live among my new neighbors. I recognized at once how very different we were but I was excited about learning all the little things we might have in common. At first I was a little put off by their strange talk, scant clothing, the rude country language their bodies spoke.

My sixty-plus years in the U.S. crushed me with information, impressions, knowledge about the world and its cultures that these simple people did not experience. I expected most of them would be emotionally immature. The "ignorance is bliss" message was clear on their faces -- a simple, uncluttered life makes them seem child-like.

At times I almost envied them; the whole family at the beach, splashing in the surf, the children pushing and roughhousing. Not a care in the world. Perhaps they should be grateful that their poor country did not, could not force upon them the stringent rules of elementary education.

Over time my apprehensions faded. Now I feel more comfortable in their midst -- now and then I walk back from the beach with small family groups, holding hands, laughing; content to feel the soft warm sand beneath their feet as they return to their shacks; some old metal trailers, some to shacks with no running water, no toilets. When the fishermen return with a good catch I sometimes help them carry the fish home -- smiles on their faces, the smell of bait on their hands.

The Mexicans can't stand them; say they should go right back to Canada where they came from.

Santiago - 12-16-2009 at 09:54 AM

Osprey: you're too much.:lol::lol:

ELINVESTIG8R - 12-16-2009 at 11:35 AM

Rough Crowd.

Barry A. - 12-16-2009 at 01:30 PM

I have dozens of stories about the back country people of Baja accumulated over the last 60 years of travel down there, all similar. An example of one that I will always remember------

-------we had a flat tire mid-way between Bahia de los Animas and Marisma San Rafael-----could not get 2 of the the lug nuts off my friends Trooper no matter what (too tight and rusty)-----about an hour later a very old pickup going south stopped-----4 Mexicano fishermen got out, no English, looked over the situation, smiled and laughed, and began to work in the super heat----we rigged a shade over them---------1-1/2 hours later they managed to chisel off the last lug nut, leaving the lug bolts still mostly intack. We were saved! We could not convince them that they should except ANY pay, no tips, nada. They even refused our beers and softdrinks, having their own. They were as happy a crew as I have ever seen, and I sincerely doubt that they often sat around and lamented their "poverty situation" in San Miguel. They urged us to join them later in San Miguel, and we did a couple of days later. We all had a great time there.

These are some of the "type" folks Skeet is talking about, I suspect. I had NO soul-searching, warm and fuzzy "compassion" for them---frankly that never occured to me, just envy and respect for their wonderful style and character, and their choices in life. They made us welcome, and happy, and we hope we did the same for them----what is more important than that?

As much as I believe you guys are sincere when you say people like me (and Skeet) are insensitive, it simply is not true no matter how nasty you get, or how many times you repeat it. People are what they are, and there is a lot of "choice" involved. I applaud that, and always will.

Viva back-country Mexico!!

Barry

Skeet/Loreto - 12-16-2009 at 01:52 PM

And:
There I was working with Pappa Murillo{age 84} in the Hot sun at San Nicolas as he had decide to build me a palapa.
I had a Heat Stroke and became Delerious.
Enrique, Chico, Juan, and Pappa Murillo filled an old bathtub with cold water and made me lie in it, then Enrique took me in my truck to Loreto and put me in the clinic where I consumed 16 Bottles of Gluscose{I think} and saved my life.

No Charge.

The people of Baja are great people with kind hearts and do no consider Poverty when they are helping you.
God Bless them

Skeet

They Could Complain, But Realize That No One Would Listen

Bajahowodd - 12-16-2009 at 02:08 PM

"I spent many years among the good and happy people of Baja, especially in the Loreto area.None of them ever complained to me about their lives, rich ones or poor one!"

Osprey - 12-16-2009 at 02:21 PM

Just keep singin' that Bob Dylan tune "When you got nothin', you got nothin' to lose." Baja Mexicans moving about in cars and trucks go along pretty much unafraid and ready for what ever comes their way. When you're unafraid you can be giving, friendly. All of that changes for travelers who find themselves and their gear, their families at what they perceive to be great risk -- might change those Mexicans if you had em go back and earn a $300,000 MOHO full of goodies, have em be responsible and protective of pets and loved ones and all the serious obligations coming their way on the Baja highways and byway. All the well to do Mexicans I know have bars on their windows and doors and may not be as open and giving as the Mexican Joe six packs out there.

[Edited on 12-16-2009 by Osprey]

Skeet/Loreto - 12-16-2009 at 04:15 PM

Osprey:
My 38 years in Baja Sur in and around Loreto gave me many valuable lessons from all kinds of mexicano People. Their effort to show that they liked you, their way of showing their Care, their sometimes juvenile behavior, their Family values.

As I some times compare with my friends in the States, I see very similar values and traits, especially those people who show care and kindness to others.

And yes, the mexicano Family has gone toward the American Family in that it has seperated. But the core values are still there.

It is my hope and dream that we can all one day realize our Hopes and Dreams for a Happy and fulfilled Life.

Warning, Warning, Will Rogers! (For Those Know and if You Don't Recognize It)

Gypsy Jan - 12-16-2009 at 04:21 PM

This is a retro popular culture reference to a TV show from the sixties.

"More sarcasm chubascos arriving due to a collision of low pressure, well-meaning piety areas and know-it-all cynical high pressure windiness moving in."

bajabass - 12-16-2009 at 04:35 PM

I am going to step out on a limb, and assume the original post was sincere. As was my first reply. The poverty, lack of infrastructure, sanitary conditions, low wages, and poor elementary education that many Mexicans endure is unfair and deplorable. The majority of the blame must be placed on the corruption throughout the Mexican political system, not the U.S., or individuals from other countries. I am sure U.S. policies do not help, but have been accepted by the governing powers that were, are, or will be making the decisions for the Mexican people. I think Skeet was trying to convey the spirit and vigor that the Mexican people show, despite the conditions they MUST survive in, and in some cases thrive in. I have never seen people do so much, with so little. I admire their strong will, and " get it done" attitude.

Skeet/Loreto - 12-16-2009 at 04:57 PM

Bajabass: Well said:

Here I was in Bishop Calif. as Mgr. of an Office, good Job, Towing Gliders, haveing a great time hiling and Fishing the Sierras, when I received a book for a xmas present from my sister-in-Law. It was called The Sea of Cortez!!
I read the book and became Amorued with the Sea of Cortez.
On my First trip I met a young man ,Alvarro Murillo, we became very good friends , and still are Good Friends. I have lived with his family and watched it grow to 10 Grandchildren!!
We have Cussed and Cried and been very neaqr to Death a couple of times, we have seen and experienced things that most people never get the chance to experience! Like a Shark in the Water with us as we dive for Lobster, like a Whale coming out of the water next to our Panga, Dolphins jumping beside us, Pelicans biting our legs as we filet Fish!

And being accepted by the People as I walk behind the truck that carries the Body of his Father to his Grave.

Yes , Despite all this , many of thees people show love, care, kindness , happiness even with out all of the marterial Goods us Americanos have.!

Why.???,

Bajahowodd - 12-16-2009 at 05:03 PM

I'll join you on that limb for another opinion. I was absolutely seduced by the Mexican culture the first time I ventured South. To me, there's a palpable humility within the culture, which I ascribe to the Roman Catholic Church, a religion that was actually exported to Mexico from Europe. It is also likely that this same phenomenon was a catalyst in creating a long-standing program (pogram) of subjugating the masses for the benefit of an educated power elite.

Skeet/Loreto - 12-16-2009 at 05:21 PM

Bajahowodd! Very well said at a good time! Most people do not have a good idea of the Power struggle that happened in Mexico.
We all need to try and understand the mex icano People.

rts551 - 12-16-2009 at 05:26 PM

Barry

Any pictures from the back country in 1949?

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
I have dozens of stories about the back country people of Baja accumulated over the last 60 years of travel down there, all similar. An example of one that I will always remember------


Viva back-country Mexico!!

Barry

mtgoat666 - 12-16-2009 at 05:49 PM

yes, all well and good, saint skeet. but if you talk with the people you so revere you will find they all want the same things we want: health, fun, money, cars and big screen TVs.

your work view is distorted if you equate poverty with nobility. in fact, your opinion sounds a bit like condescending psycho-babble that we got from 1960s spin on calvinist protestant schooling.

while you find the people of baja to be better than us nekid dope smoking liberals that went to college and learned from commie profs, in the end all people are the same. people's actions are motivated by 4 things: money, power, love and hate -- 'tis true in Mulege, Los Angeles, NYC, Texas, Cuba and Bangladesh

[Edited on 12-17-2009 by mtgoat666]

Ken Bondy - 12-16-2009 at 05:58 PM

One of my favorite "Baja people" stories: In 1982 I landed my Baron on the dirt strip at Rancho Buena Vista. The strip ran perpendicular to the beach, and at the inland end was about 150 ft higher than at the beach end. The paved highway ran past the uphill end of the runway. At the end of my landing roll I made a left 180-degree turn, hit a soft spot in the sand, and buried the nosewheel. Realizing we were good and stuck, I shut down the engines and my three passengers and I exited the airplane and surveyed the situation. We were about 200 feet from the fence separating the runway and the highway. All of a sudden there were three young Mexican men with us, looking at our buried nosewheel. They had seen our situation from the road, stopped at the end of the runway, hopped the fence, came to us and offered help. All this without any signaling or distress signs on our part. They just saw we were in trouble and wanted to help. One of them ran back to their truck and returned with two shovels. They dug us out and together the seven of us manually pulled the Baron out of its hole, pulling on the props and a nosewheel tugger bar. We thanked them profusely and offered a propina. They refused graciously. We insisted that they meet us in the Buena Vista lobby and at least share a cerveza. That worked. My three passengers walked back to the hotel with the three Mexicans kids while I lit off the Baron and managed to taxi to a tiedown without further embarassment. We shared several Pacificos with them and, once again, tried to pay them for their help but they refused. Finally with abrazos all around they left and went on with their day. It was a wonderful experience for me, and I never forgot it.

Skipjack Joe - 12-16-2009 at 06:00 PM

Are we talking about baja or Cook's encounter with Tahitians here? :lol:

Skeet/Loreto - 12-16-2009 at 06:29 PM

Ken: I had a very similar experience at the same airstrip many years ago.

I think it can be said " It don"t make no nevermind where you are Rich or Poor:\" if you have a kind Heart you are the BEST!!!!!

bajabass - 12-16-2009 at 10:46 PM

If money and power motivated the people of Baja on a whole, the region would have no population what so ever! I think many of the people in Baja do know there may be a different life elsewhere. Better, ?, then why are we here. If you are among the group that have chosen Baja for the low cost option, great. Live cheap, stay buzzed, complain about the problems you experience. Unless you become a citizen, you cannot vote, demonstrate, or do anything to bring about any significant change. What you can do is embrace the gracious, giving people that have allowed you to join there lives. We can all help improve the lives of anyone we interact with. The store owner, the Pemex attendant, the propane truck driver, the local church. These people are caring, giving, gracious hosts. Attemp to be an equally appreciative guest. It is not that hard to do. I, for one, cannot wait to leave SoCal, once and for all. I own, and have run daily, for over 20 years, a retail auto service business. I cater to upper end vehicles, and their owners. Most of them are more worried about their economic status than anything else. Simply enjoying life is a totally foreign concept. For the last 2 years my business has dropped 40%. The greed has caught up with them. The jobs are being lost. The houses are being foreclosed on. They are miserable!! I almost hope that business gets a little worse. Then I can justify selling at a loss and bailing out early. To live the rest of my life in a beautiful place, with wonderful people, that know how to make due with what they have and enjoy life. My little block house on the hill is a happy place. I will be much happier when it is more than a weekend escape! Oh, as far as the other two Goat, love and hate. I have experienced much more of the former, than the latter, in Baja. Never been to Cuba or Bangladesh, but L.A./NYC are cesspools.

Barry A. - 12-16-2009 at 11:28 PM

No pics, rt. I was 11 then, and at that time the only "back country" I got into was with my Mom & Aunt in the Sierra Juarez and Laguna Hansen and nearby environs on camping trips.

Barry




Quote:
Originally posted by rts551
Barry

Any pictures from the back country in 1949?

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
I have dozens of stories about the back country people of Baja accumulated over the last 60 years of travel down there, all similar. An example of one that I will always remember------


Viva back-country Mexico!!

Barry

DENNIS - 12-17-2009 at 08:45 AM

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Originally posted by bajabass
I think many of the people in Baja do know there may be a different life elsewhere.


They would only have to see a caravan of MOHOS to be convinced of that.

Skeet/Loreto - 12-17-2009 at 10:57 AM

The one thing that stands out and is very different in the wants of most of the Mexicanos I knew, was their lack of GREED!

toneart - 12-17-2009 at 11:41 AM

In my earlier posts in this string I was merely commenting on what I read into Skeet's heart on this issue only. I believe he is sincere and it corresponds with my experience with the Mexican people. I separate out the heart from some of the other :spingrin::spingrin::?::?::?::o:o:o:yawn::yawn::wow::wow: he espouses.

I have lived in other places in Mexico besides Baja and have traveled throughout the whole country and much of the rest of Latin America including Cuba. I have taught ESL in San Diego to people mostly from Tijuana. I have been to many of their homes in TJ (during better times). We have shared fiestas, comidas, musica y bailles. You will be amazed at the respect you will get if you know their culture and attempt to learn and speak their language.

My love of the latino culture extends beyond Mexico. And believe me, I have been the victim of crimes of opportunity, the mordida and bureaucratic blunders and plunders. In friendship, it is very difficult to find a more gracious host than the Mexican when a family invites you to share what they have, no matter how little that may be. My heart remains with the people, wherever I am.

Pollyannas and cynics can (and have) analyze(ed) and pick(ed) apart the positives and negatives of the topic. There is merit on both sides of the argument if you don't let the personality, articulation abilities and other attitudes of the poster interfere with your opinions. That is up to you, the reader; not the original poster.

Yep

wessongroup - 12-17-2009 at 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
The one thing that stands out and is very different in the wants of most of the Mexicanos I knew, was their lack of GREED!


Must agree and find it a very laudable trait…

Seems to be a trait of many of the Native Americans, from “Black Elk Speaks, The Offering of the Pipe”

“But if the vision was true and mighty, as I know, it is true and mighty yet; for such things are of the spirit, and it is in the darkness of their eyes that men get lost.”

http://www.firstpeople.us/articles/Black-Elk-Speaks/Black-El...
:):)

Skeet/Loreto - 12-17-2009 at 01:54 PM

You know Toneart, your words are well taken.
Most everyone on this board has their opinion of an :ole Fart" and seems to convey it in their Answers or Posts.

One of the best things that has ever happened in my life was my relationship with Alvarro Murrillo Romero of L:oreto. Watch him raise his family which now includes 10 Grandchildren{Last Count}.
His wants and desires was always for his Family./
I cannot in my Heart find any Anger even for the ones who tried to to put the "Bite" on me.
Guess I just like People too much,

You Make a Good Point

Bajahowodd - 12-17-2009 at 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by toneart

I have lived in other places in Mexico besides Baja and have traveled throughout the whole country and much of the rest of Latin America including Cuba. I have taught ESL in San Diego to people mostly from Tijuana. I have been to many of their homes in TJ (during better times). We have shared fiestas, comidas, musica y bailles. You will be amazed at the respect you will get if you know their culture and attempt to learn and speak their language.

My love of the latino culture extends beyond Mexico. And believe me, I have been the victim of crimes of opportunity, the mordida and bureaucratic blunders and plunders. In friendship, it is very difficult to find a more gracious host than the Mexican when a family invites you to share what they have, no matter how little that may be. My heart remains with the people, wherever I am.




Perhaps I'm in left field on this. The Latino culture is certainly an amalgam of European and indigenous people. I have no idea how much the indigenous culture is responsible for the qualities we embrace. However, with respect to the European influence, I think that by and large, the prevailing contribution to the Latino culture is from people who did not have to suffer the ravages of two world wars or the scourge of the N-zis. This makes me wonder if, in the absence of those events, the Southern Europeans, at least, would more resemble the culture of Latin America.

Skipjack Joe - 12-17-2009 at 02:54 PM

The values that Skeet ascribes to the Mexican people can be found all over the world, from Chile to the Samoans. In fact, you can see the change when traveling from Los Angeles or New York City to North Dakota. When material possessions are less availabe your value system changes. It's all been said before.

Although I have noticed that people with lighter hair are more generous.....
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with advice :lol:

[Edited on 12-17-2009 by Skipjack Joe]

Barry A. - 12-17-2009 at 03:21 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Quote:
Originally posted by toneart

I have lived in other places in Mexico besides Baja and have traveled throughout the whole country and much of the rest of Latin America including Cuba. I have taught ESL in San Diego to people mostly from Tijuana. I have been to many of their homes in TJ (during better times). We have shared fiestas, comidas, musica y bailles. You will be amazed at the respect you will get if you know their culture and attempt to learn and speak their language.

My love of the latino culture extends beyond Mexico. And believe me, I have been the victim of crimes of opportunity, the mordida and bureaucratic blunders and plunders. In friendship, it is very difficult to find a more gracious host than the Mexican when a family invites you to share what they have, no matter how little that may be. My heart remains with the people, wherever I am.




Perhaps I'm in left field on this. The Latino culture is certainly an amalgam of European and indigenous people. I have no idea how much the indigenous culture is responsible for the qualities we embrace. However, with respect to the European influence, I think that by and large, the prevailing contribution to the Latino culture is from people who did not have to suffer the ravages of two world wars or the scourge of the N-zis. This makes me wonder if, in the absence of those events, the Southern Europeans, at least, would more resemble the culture of Latin America.


A couple of years ago, we travelled for 5 weeks in Sicily and Tuscany, Italy, and tho the people were more noisy, they were just as friendly to us as the Baja folks.

So maybe you are on to something-----------?

Barry

Bajahowodd - 12-17-2009 at 04:41 PM

Italy is a wonderful place to spend some time. Too bad about Italian-Americans, eh Barry? :rolleyes:

Skeet/Loreto - 12-17-2009 at 05:07 PM

We as Americans have been spoiled by our Wealth and Great Freedoms. Maybe that has something to do with the way we accept people from another Country.

Could it be that we are some what Narrow in our thinking??

When I first went to Baja I could not beleive the happiness on the faces of people who had so much less than we Americans had.

As i got to know the people I understood more! One of those things was the "Not Today" thing, The Ability to Not to worry about what might happen tommorrow.

I have somewhat adopted that attitude. We can only control the Present and try to control the next day, but really , is it that important??

I laugh and Cry at the people who say :Save it for our Grandchildren" When they do not even have Grandchildren!!

mtgoat666 - 12-17-2009 at 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
The values that Skeet ascribes to the Mexican people can be found all over the world, from Chile to the Samoans. In fact, you can see the change when traveling from Los Angeles or New York City to North Dakota. When material possessions are less availabe your value system changes. It's all been said before.


yes, it's all been said before,... and it is stereotypical bull poop!

Hollywood movies and poor rural bumpkins often say NYC and LA and big cities are awlful and the real kind folk are in countryside. People in countryside just talk more slowly; there is no other difference.

p.s. have you seen the movie Deliverance? :lol::lol:

DENNIS - 12-17-2009 at 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
We as Americans have been spoiled by our Great Freedoms.



A lot of people have died to guarantee those Great Freedoms. Why don't you go to a military cemetary and tell them how wrong and misguided they were.

Grateful Mexicans

Carlos Fiesta - 12-17-2009 at 11:44 PM

Next week Juan del Rio (of Juan y Juan) and I will be taking 4 SUV's full of toys, clothing and food to the poorest areas of Tijuana. This will be our 19th annual Christmas delivery. Without exception, each year we are blown away by the sincere gratitude and positive attitudes of the people we meet in these depressed areas. They live in carboard shacks, have no running water or electricity and it gets butt cold at night. Still they smile and say "Thank you" to us in English. And they say it not out of habit, but because they are truly grateful. With direct eye contact. Whenever I hear about gringos b-tching and moaning about some stupid inconvenience here in the US I only wish they could spend 24 hours under the same conditions we see in Baja. They just might...maybe...appreciate how good they have it here.
Those of us who were lucky enough to be born on this side of the boarder are indeed very fortunate.

Skipjack Joe - 12-18-2009 at 12:19 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
People in countryside just talk more slowly; there is no other difference.


There's no other difference between you and these people?

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irenemm - 12-18-2009 at 02:08 AM

It's t bad you would call someones home a shack. That may look like it to you but is home to someone else.

values

wessongroup - 12-18-2009 at 05:17 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
The values that Skeet ascribes to the Mexican people can be found all over the world, from Chile to the Samoans. In fact, you can see the change when traveling from Los Angeles or New York City to North Dakota. When material possessions are less availabe your value system changes. It's all been said before.


yes, it's all been said before,... and it is stereotypical bull poop!

Hollywood movies and poor rural bumpkins often say NYC and LA and big cities are awlful and the real kind folk are in countryside. People in countryside just talk more slowly; there is no other difference.

p.s. have you seen the movie Deliverance? :lol::lol:


Think the word "culture" best describes how a society resonates within the context of existing within given a geographical or imposed artificial boundry ... not "values".

Believe that "value" is the very issue that Skeet identified as the reason "why" he liked the Mexican people.

And I don't think it is said enough and it appears that one can't say it either ... what page is this thread up too.. :):)

ELINVESTIG8R - 12-18-2009 at 06:15 AM

As children we did not know we lived in poverty but we did. The hats, dolls, shoes and clothes you see us wearing are second hand clothes which were gifts from my grandmother when she came to visit once. Normally we wore plastic shoes. We ate wheat mush for breakfast every day and had little to eat the rest of the day. As kids you don’t realize you are living in poverty until you grow up. It was shortly after these pictures that I ran away from home and lived in even worse economic conditions.



ELINVESTIG8R - 12-18-2009 at 06:59 AM

This is poverty at the Tijuana River - It's on the internet - It makes me cry when I look it. Her smile and her bare feet just crumple me. I imagine that she is either pushing the tire up to someone so they can sell it for scrap rubber so they can eat or it is her play toy. God help the poor.

Skeet/Loreto - 12-18-2009 at 07:59 AM

"I had no Shoes and Complained, until I met a Man with No Feet"".

arrowhead - 12-18-2009 at 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
When I first went to Baja I could not beleive the happiness on the faces of people





Happy, happy people.

DENNIS - 12-18-2009 at 10:55 AM

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Originally posted by arrowhead

Happy, happy people.


And, as a bonus, you could rub their head for luck.

Skeet/Loreto - 12-18-2009 at 10:57 AM

I must agree that TJ is a Different World.
The people who have to live in San Diego and TJ I feel sure have developed into a "Different kind of Human" than those Folks in Baja Sur.
Just as the Young ones of todya have changed in the American Communities.

A good example of all the States that lost a lot of the Young people from the small country towns.