BajaNomad - TIJUANA - Drug violence claims life of San Diegan in TJ at Wichos Tacos!

TIJUANA - Drug violence claims life of San Diegan in TJ at Wichos Tacos!

Woooosh - 12-19-2009 at 11:34 AM

"...was shot in the head when assailants sprayed gunfire inside a seafood restaurant where she was sharing a meal with her husband."

It surely doesn't sound more tourist friendly and safer to me. Does it to you K-Ricio and Gull?

Todays' Union Tribune:

"Logan Heights mother of 2 shot in attack at restaurant.

As drug gangs clashed across Tijuana this week, a San Diego mother of two lost her life in the crossfire. Yajaira Orozco was shot in the head when assailants sprayed gunfire inside a seafood restaurant where she was sharing a meal with her husband.

"It was from one second to another," said Raul Orozco, 23, who was hit in the leg during the 9:30 p.m. Tuesday attack at Wichos Tacos in the Mesa de Otay area of the city. "All I know is that I turned around, and this guy had a gun, a large-caliber gun."

Yajaira Orozco, also 23, was one of about 50 people who have died in the past week in Tijuana, many of them as a result of a brutal battle for control between two rival drug-trafficking groups.

Authorities believe many of the victims were low-level operatives in criminal organizations. But Orozco, a Logan Heights resident who worked at Fashion Valley, did not fit the profile.

To date, authorities have not offered an explanation for the attack at Wichos Tacos, where five people were killed. Fermin Gomez, Baja California's deputy attorney general, said yesterday that the case remains under investigation. "We are examining the entire scene of this crime," he said.

Yajaira Orozco lived with her parents, siblings and two daughters in the house where she grew up. A U.S. citizen born in San Diego, she crossed frequently to Tijuana to visit her Mexican-born husband while his petition for U.S. residency was processed.

The two had known each other since elementary school, and graduated together from San Diego High School.
"Same classes, same everything," Raul Orozco said yesterday in an interview in Tijuana. "Ever since I saw her, I was interested in her."

The couple had two girls, Atena, 4, and Marisa, 4 months old. But while Yajaira Orozco was a U.S. citizen, Raul Orozco was brought to the United States from Mexico at age 5 and was not a legal resident. In order to apply for legal residency, he first had to move back to Mexico.

Yajaira Orozco grew up bilingual, crossing with her family to Tijuana for medical appointments and visits with relatives. But her family worried. "I would tell her: `Mija, don't go to Tijuana; one of these days you can get hurt,' but she didn't listen," said her father, Eusebio Mota, who works as an assistant chef. "She came with the idea of seeing him; she loved him very much."

While waiting for permission to live in the United States, Raul Orozco has been working at a call center in Tijuana. When his wife visited Tuesday, the couple decided to go out for seafood and check out a new place, the Wichos Tacos in Mesa de Otay.

The couple had finished their meal and were listening to music when the attack began, Raul Orozco said, adding, "It was the wrong place and the wrong time."

Yesterday, his wife's body was brought back to the United States for burial. A viewing is scheduled at Heath Funeral Home in National City from 6 to 9 p.m.
Monday, followed by a Mass on Tuesday at Our Lady of Guadalupe Church in Logan Heights.

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Wichos Tacos is a HUGE tourist operation

The Gull - 12-19-2009 at 11:41 AM

Centrally located in Mesa de Otay, American visitors flock there by the tens of thousands.

It is AAA five star recommended and won the Conde Nast award for best tacos on earth in 2008.

capt. mike - 12-19-2009 at 11:46 AM

good bye tourism as this stuff gets out.

arrowhead - 12-19-2009 at 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by capt. mike
good bye tourism as this stuff gets out.

What do you mean "goodbye"? Try, "long time, no see."

Bajahowodd - 12-19-2009 at 12:41 PM

I'm driving to the store yesterday, listening to KNX, when they have an interview with Jorge Ramos, mayor of Tijuana, who was apparently in San Diego trying to drum up tourist business. He tells the reporter that he encourages Americans to come to Tijuana to have fun. He said Tijuana is safe. He mentions that over the past several months, crime has been way down, and the recent spate of killings is only a temporary blip. I almost went through a red light listening to that.

And I thought this might be of some interest....

Not sure about the politics but the marjorie ann drake blog has an interesting post for Friday. I tried to link the page here, but someone doesn't want to cooperate.

[Edited on 12-19-2009 by Bajahowodd]

woody with a view - 12-19-2009 at 12:46 PM

he's a politician.

THEY ALL LIE THROUGH THEIR STUPID FACES!!!!!

ALL THE WAY FROM CLASS PRESIDENT THROUGH MAYOR TO PRESIDENT OF THE NATION....

elgatoloco - 12-19-2009 at 02:12 PM

http://www.el-mexicano.com.mx/noticias/estatal/2009/12/17/38...

copy and paste

DEA has apparently warned Mexican government that things will heat up, going forward.

Bajahowodd - 12-19-2009 at 02:37 PM

Thanks for that gato. If they really start targeting civilians in shopping malls and on public transportation, it's going to be awful. and I'm reminded that using such tactics would bring the cartels in line with folks like Al Queda.

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Stickers - 12-19-2009 at 02:45 PM

These Mexican gangsters are worse than Al Qaeda. They are destroying the entire economy of Mexico simply out of greed. Al Qaeda at least think they (however misguided) are fighting for God.

Bajahowodd - 12-19-2009 at 03:00 PM

Just wondering what the real end game is. Are they looking for a truce with the government? Do they just wish to destabilize it? Who knows if the DEA intel is accurate. I would venture a guess that if they start piling up civilian casualties, they will end up mobilizing the general populace against them.

Scary

Dave - 12-19-2009 at 08:30 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
they will end up mobilizing the general populace against them.

What are they gonna do...March? :rolleyes:

arrowhead - 12-19-2009 at 08:44 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Just wondering what the real end game is. Are they looking for a truce with the government? Do they just wish to destabilize it? Who knows if the DEA intel is accurate. I would venture a guess that if they start piling up civilian casualties, they will end up mobilizing the general populace against them.

The end game is that the narcos will put in one of theirs as the next President of Mexico. Then all will be calm on the surface as plazas are distributed and paid for in an orderly manner. The US law enforcemenet agencies will cease all but token cooperation with their Mexican counterparts, because they would be dealing with the narco guys. A cold war will develop between the US and Mexico. Every honest cop or politician in Mexico will present himself to the US embassy for asylum.

Woooosh - 12-19-2009 at 08:56 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
they will end up mobilizing the general populace against them.

What are they gonna do...March? :rolleyes:

Woooosh - 12-19-2009 at 09:01 PM

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Originally posted by arrowhead

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Every honest cop or politician in Mexico will present himself to the US embassy for asylum.

They would all fit in a Dodge Caravan.

You're killing me with the Mexicans as civil warriors thing. USAmericans are revolutionary and can bare arms. Mexicans will cower indoors forever unless it's about their own pocketbooks, then they might march. Mexican are good about signing neighborhood-type petitions though.

The Gull - 12-19-2009 at 10:09 PM

Whiish,

Your contempt for Mexicans is at an all time high, even for you. One day, we will be reading about you.

Woooosh - 12-19-2009 at 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by The Gull
Whiish,

Your contempt for Mexicans is at an all time high, even for you. One day, we will be reading about you.

I don't enter into battles of wit with the unarmed--- sorry Gull... I'm not biting. All your posts today pretty much suck and you've managed to tarnish most every thread with your gull turds of wisdom. Sorry in advance if I fail to respond to your future posts- but I don't feed flying rats (gulls).

Wow

wessongroup - 12-20-2009 at 06:53 AM

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Originally posted by arrowhead

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Now that is a different take :light:

.... thanks, all helps in making some sense out of the situation .. as you could not "make up" what has been going on for , how many decades, in the "drug war".. maybe they could just buy the stuff, saw where the entire drug trade is only like a few billion dollars between Mexico and the States.. we can afford that.. just ask the President.. he feels the United States can just spend it's way out of any problem.. Global warming.. spend money or send money to the developing Nations so they don't add to the problem.. Economy broken, spend money.. it goes on and on, Oh, boy now there is a unique approach.. just throw money at the problem.. but WHO'S money is being spent and where is it coming from???

flyfishinPam - 12-20-2009 at 07:41 AM

Story hits home because that lady could have been me. At one time in the distant past I thought of working in SD and living in TJ because my husband is Mexican. This guy had to pay a price for his being transported at five years old into the US illegally. He was doing the right thing, they both were.

Woosh i understand your frustration and I go through it at times too. You are frustrated because you are tied to the Mexican people unlike some people. You do things the locals do because you're a local. Things like try out a new taco stand you heard was good once in awhile. I also feel more comfortable in places that the tourists aren't because they are genuine. So this lady could have been you or me or anyone in our situation.

I do think that if you read Mexican history more closely in both English and Spanish (different perspectives) you will know that the people won't cower in their houses or whatever it is you said. There are gun laws and there are also machetes and other weapons. Mexicans usually have an impressive local communication system at the local level. I can actually picture my family, friends and neighbors defending themselves with these weapons as their ancestors did a century ago, but maybe because I work with reel men and not pansy paper pusher bureaucrats and politicos.

In the 11 years I've been here full time I have seen consumerism grow at an unbelievable rate. Credit became easier to get, albeit expensive. I see this increasing materialism as one of the biggest threats to the country. Those who fall under its pressure will be the ones that cower and remain silent instead of fighting.

INYO will the violence increase due to the arrest and death of some important cartel people now? This violence is what has put me into the camp of legalizing everything and I never had thoughts like this before. Living practically across the street from a tiendita for about a year solidified this opinion.

Don't beat on Woosh he's one of the "good guys".

On point

wessongroup - 12-20-2009 at 07:56 AM

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Originally posted by flyfishinPam

In the 11 years I've been here full time I have seen consumerism grow at an unbelievable rate. Credit became easier to get, albeit expensive. I see this increasing materialism as one of the biggest threats to the country. Those who fall under its pressure will be the ones that cower and remain silent instead of fighting.

INYO will the violence increase due to the arrest and death of some important cartel people now? This violence is what has put me into the camp of legalizing everything and I never had thoughts like this before. Living practically across the street from a tiendita for about a year solidified this opinion.

Don't beat on Woosh he's one of the "good guys".

Thanks again for the input, the lady who was doing are FM3 is Rosarito, Alicia Romero, had the same thoughts when were talking about "things" in Rosarito.. she was sad to see many of the younger folks dropping off many "cultural" norms..

She lives in Rosarito, and has been in business there for 21 years.

Alicia Romero, is located on the street directly behind the Roma Drug Store (where Bancomer is located) has all the forms necessary and her fee is well worth her preparation, because she works with Immigration Authorities on a daily basis and is current on any new requirements. Telephone/Fax 612-0166

CaboRon - 12-20-2009 at 08:09 AM

I realy hate to blame the victim, BUT, TJ after dark ??

What was she thinking :?:

Do NOT drive or Party in Baja after the sun goes down,

You are not safe.

Mexicorn - 12-20-2009 at 09:53 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh

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Originally posted by The Gull
Whiish,

Your contempt for Mexicans is at an all time high, even for you. One day, we will be reading about you.

Please all dont get sucked in by those Loosers and Ex-convicts that claim that they are protecing America's borders. These guys just get on these boards in attempt to disuade Americans from entering Mexico.
Isnt that right Mr. Schwilk of the San Diego Minute men?

Woooosh - 12-20-2009 at 10:34 AM

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Originally posted by flyfishinPam
Story hits home because that lady could have been me. At one time in the distant past I thought of working in SD and living in TJ because my husband is Mexican. This guy had to pay a price for his being transported at five years old into the US illegally. He was doing the right thing, they both were.

Woosh i understand your frustration and I go through it at times too. You are frustrated because you are tied to the Mexican people unlike some people. You do things the locals do because you're a local. Things like try out a new taco stand you heard was good once in awhile. I also feel more comfortable in places that the tourists aren't because they are genuine. So this lady could have been you or me or anyone in our situation.

I do think that if you read Mexican history more closely in both English and Spanish (different perspectives) you will know that the people won't cower in their houses or whatever it is you said. There are gun laws and there are also machetes and other weapons. Mexicans usually have an impressive local communication system at the local level. I can actually picture my family, friends and neighbors defending themselves with these weapons as their ancestors did a century ago, but maybe because I work with reel men and not pansy paper pusher bureaucrats and politicos.

In the 11 years I've been here full time I have seen consumerism grow at an unbelievable rate. Credit became easier to get, albeit expensive. I see this increasing materialism as one of the biggest threats to the country. Those who fall under its pressure will be the ones that cower and remain silent instead of fighting.

INYO will the violence increase due to the arrest and death of some important cartel people now? This violence is what has put me into the camp of legalizing everything and I never had thoughts like this before. Living practically across the street from a tiendita for about a year solidified this opinion.

Don't beat on Woosh he's one of the "good guys".

That was a great post with insights about myself I never really thought about. Yes, it's very different if you are "married to Mexico" and have family here. Both change your perspective and you look at everything through two sets of "filters" AMerican and Mexican- neither is black and white.

Sometimes my neighbors will badmouth Mexico in a self-deprecating sort of way. I think they do it to make me feel better in my frustration, but I don't allow it. I tell them Mexico is a great country and point out that ALL of Africa. South America and most of Asia lags far behind Mexico inmost every way. Mexico's biggest problem is that it has the USA for a neighbor and the constant points of comparison force it to create a parody of it's future- instead of taking the time to and steps to create it correctly and transparently piece by piece. Mexico is progressing- just not fast enough.

[Edited on 12-20-2009 by Woooosh]

This Is What I had In Mind

Bajahowodd - 12-20-2009 at 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by lencho
[Information. You think the narcos' neighbors don't know what's going on? Get the general populace peeed off enough, and there won't be any place to hide...

At that point I have the (perhaps mistaken) illusion that the military is still honest enough to step in and clean things up.

But I think there's a long ways to go before the pueblo gets that irritated. It's not yet their war.

--Larry

Thanks, Larry.

There can't be a tipping point on a one-sided scale

Dave - 12-20-2009 at 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by lencho

You think the narcos' neighbors don't know what's going on? Get the general populace peeed off enough, and there won't be any place to hide...

It's not yet their war.

Right.

Of course the neighbors know. Mexico is an insular society... Pogo on steroids. If it's not a cousin then it's a cousin of a cousin.

Bajahowodd - 12-20-2009 at 02:21 PM

However, if and when several of your cousin's cousins get mowed down or blown up while shopping or riding the bus, you're going to do something other than look the other way.

Woooosh - 12-21-2009 at 10:03 AM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
However, if and when several of your cousin's cousins get mowed down or blown up while shopping or riding the bus, you're going to do something other than look the other way.

The Union Trib gave mention of this murder in their editorial today (12/21). The column was in support of the Mexcian Gov't getting Leyva and the "splintering" effect likely to follow his death. But they also threw this in:

"Tragically, one of the latest victims was a San Diegan killed by stray gunfire while having dinner with her husband at a restaurant in Tijuana. Twenty-three-year-old Yajaira Mota Orozco of Logan Heights leaves behind two young daughters, including a 4-month-old baby.

Orozco's death reminds us that not all the murders happening in Tijuana are instances of rival gangs trying to eliminate one another. Sometimes, innocent people get caught in the crossfire. Children are left motherless. And families are destroyed."

Bajahowodd - 12-21-2009 at 02:19 PM

Nancy Reagan: "Just Say No."