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Bicyclists riding side by side

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pacside - 1-8-2010 at 12:49 PM

This is a first. While driving south on hwy 19 (2 lane hwy about 20 mi north of Cabo) we happened upon a long line of cars going real slow. We thought it was an accident or a super slow truck. After awhile when it was our turn to pass we saw what was causing the slowdown. It was two bicyclists riding side by side with a vehicle riding behind them providing protection, in essence blocking the entire southbound lane. There were plenty of places these riders could of pulled over to let the long line of cars pass but they were just riding along looking at the pacific and chatting, seemingly oblivious to the holdup they were causing. I was amazed at their brashness.

Curious if anyone else has ever seen this and if you think they had a right to their leisurely bike ride or were they being selfish for blocking the only lane going south?.

pacside

Debra - 1-8-2010 at 12:53 PM

I've seen it :mad:

Another good one is when you come around a curve doing normal speed and there they are! I'm surprized we have never heard of some PO'ed drunk running them over, or has someone?

fishbuck - 1-8-2010 at 01:09 PM

Attn bicycle people.
Riding a bike down the highway is stupid and dangerous. It causes alot of problems because the road is just barely wide enough for 2 cars to pass each other.
It was never designed for bicycles.
Please don't do it.

mtgoat666 - 1-8-2010 at 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by pacside
This is a first. While driving south on hwy 19 (2 lane hwy about 20 mi north of Cabo) we happened upon a long line of cars going real slow. We thought it was an accident or a super slow truck. After awhile when it was our turn to pass we saw what was causing the slowdown. It was two bicyclists riding side by side with a vehicle riding behind them providing protection, in essence blocking the entire southbound lane. There were plenty of places these riders could of pulled over to let the long line of cars pass but they were just riding along looking at the pacific and chatting, seemingly oblivious to the holdup they were causing. I was amazed at their brashness.

Curious if anyone else has ever seen this and if you think they had a right to their leisurely bike ride or were they being selfish for blocking the only lane going south?.

pacside

this should e a good thread that will bring out the types that believe roads belong to cars and cars only :lol:

all you tense gringos should take a chill pill and learn to go with the flow instead of letting your blood pressure boil when life's variety slows you down.

peace out!!

DENNIS - 1-8-2010 at 01:17 PM

They do that here occasionally on the Bufadora road. The height of arrogant selfishness. It makes you want to develop road rage and grind them into the undercarriage of your car and I would if my insurance covered it.

Bajaboy - 1-8-2010 at 01:18 PM

Here we go again..... :wow:

DianaT - 1-8-2010 at 01:29 PM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy
Here we go again..... :wow:

Do you think the difference of opinions will be settled this time? :lol:

Seriously, side by side is a bit much. Even in a car if we are sightseeing and going slower than the flow, we pull over and let the traffic go by. They should do the same thing.

Now a major road race is different and when that happens, I believe the riders should be given the right away as it is only temporary.

OK,
As Bajaboy said, here we go. :biggrin:

The Gull - 1-8-2010 at 01:31 PM

I'm seeing side by side doozy like Dennis does - Red asphalt, let Darwin sort them out.

[Edited on 1-8-2010 by The Gull]

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-8-2010 at 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
They do that here occasionally on the Bufadora road. The height of arrogant selfishness. It makes you want to develop road rage and grind them into the undercarriage of your car and I would if my insurance covered it.

Those bicycle riders along the highway are kind of like me wanting to embed sound in people's posts with their permission, huh!

I think most wanted to grind me with the undercarriage of their footwear. :lol:

Edit: Pour speeling!

[Edited on 1-8-2010 by ELINVESTI8]

k-rico - 1-8-2010 at 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

this should e a good thread that will bring out the types that believe roads belong to cars and cars only :lol:

Trucks are fine.

As far as bicyclists on a baja highway......

masochism - A willingness or tendency to subject oneself to unpleasant or trying experiences.

Professional help is indicated.

DENNIS - 1-8-2010 at 01:56 PM

It isn't the riders alone. It's the A-Hole who runs interference with the car. These three are taking four miles of road, with no opportunity to pass, as their own at uphill bicycle speed and they don't pull off to let the traffic by.
I would venture a guess that the car driver knows somebody which, in his mind, makes him above law and decency. Unfortunatly, that's probably a fact.

Skipjack Joe - 1-8-2010 at 01:57 PM

The only time I've ever experienced anything like it was in Guatemala when they had a race on the Pan American highway. We plodded along behind them for a good 5 hours towards Guatemala City. Rows of people lined the highway wanting to get a glimpse of the riders.

I even gave a ride to a drunk newspaper reporter who apparently was celebrating before the winners were announced.

mulegemichael - 1-8-2010 at 02:00 PM

..it's gotta be the single most dangerous crap on the road..even when they are riding single file...lemme see, when i have a big ol eighteen wheeler coming at me from the other direction, on a cliff with no shoulder and a couple bikers in between us, who am i gonna take out?....a couple of days ago, there were two bicyclists here in mulege, both towing trailers with small children in them....one trailer had two tiny toddlers in it...they were packed to the hilt, headed down hwy 1...cool, huh?

The Slow Cycle

MrBillM - 1-8-2010 at 02:06 PM

A number of years back heading South From Mexicali, I had the unpleasant surprise of coming up behind the Mexicali-San Felipe Bicycle Race, Rally or whatever it was called. Seemingly, MILES of riders with Police Escort.

It was a LONG drive.

Needless to say, if I were EVER on a Jury involving someone who had run down a Cycler, it would be tough for me to vote guilty. Maybe impossible.

vandenberg - 1-8-2010 at 02:07 PM

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See many biciclists in the winter month coming through Loreto om Hw1. Since you mention a car behind them for protection, aren't you sure they weren't racers on their regular training route and slowing down for a rest ? And for them, it's the only road to train on. Don't remember ever seeing recreational bikers riding side by side with a car behind them. :?:

A doctor just got convicted in L.A. for taking down some biciclists with his car because they were irritating him riding side by side. :no:

Enjoy!!

k-rico - 1-8-2010 at 02:12 PM

Lauriboats - 1-8-2010 at 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by mulegemichael
..it's gotta be the single most dangerous crap on the road..even when they are riding single file...lemme see, when i have a big ol eighteen wheeler coming at me from the other direction, on a cliff with no shoulder and a couple bikers in between us, who am i gonna take out?....a couple of days ago, there were two bicyclists here in mulege, both towing trailers with small children in them....one trailer had two tiny toddlers in it...they were packed to the hilt, headed down hwy 1...cool, huh?

They stopped at the bar Ana's there was one young boy riding behind the mom and two young boys riding behind the dad. The Dad downed a quart of beer and then ordered another to go. Hopefully, they planned to stay put on the beach. Looking for the next update from somewhere south, hope they arrive safely.

Bajaboy - 1-8-2010 at 02:21 PM

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_14149529
LOS ANGELES — A Los Angeles doctor has been sentenced to five years in prison for running down two bicyclists in a road rage assault.

A judge issued the sentence Friday for 60-year-old Christopher Thompson. He was convicted of mayhem, assault with a deadly weapon and other charges for the assault on July 4, 2008.

Prosecutors say he had argued with the cyclists before slamming on his brakes in front of them in Brentwood's Mandeville Canyon. One cyclist who went through the car window suffered broken teeth, cuts and had to have his nose reattached.

Thompson testified that he and other residents were upset that some cyclists rode alongside each other on the narrow five-mile street.

The court has been deluged with letters from cyclists saying a harsh sentence would send a strong message to motorists.

k-rico - 1-8-2010 at 02:32 PM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_14149529
LOS ANGELES — A Los Angeles doctor has been sentenced to five years in prison for running down two bicyclists in a road rage assault.

A judge issued the sentence Friday for 60-year-old Christopher Thompson. He was convicted of mayhem, assault with a deadly weapon and other charges for the assault on July 4, 2008.

Prosecutors say he had argued with the cyclists before slamming on his brakes in front of them in Brentwood's Mandeville Canyon. One cyclist who went through the car window suffered broken teeth, cuts and had to have his nose reattached.

Thompson testified that he and other residents were upset that some cyclists rode alongside each other on the narrow five-mile street.

The court has been deluged with letters from cyclists saying a harsh sentence would send a strong message to motorists.

A 60 year old doctor, eh? Presumably an intelligent, mature, disciplined man.

The message to bicyclists is, watch out, there's no telling the result of anger you're causing. This guy did what probably the vast majority of motorists think of doing.

Not intelligent enough

Dave - 1-8-2010 at 02:45 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico
A 60 year old doctor, eh? Presumably an intelligent, mature, disciplined man.

The way I heard it was he accelerated past the cyclists then slammed on the brakes.

Crunch

BajaNomad - 1-8-2010 at 02:50 PM

January 4, 2009 - I believe this was somewhere near El Socorro, between San Quintin and El Rosario. It's a single cyclist with a pickup running blocker. Since we'd seen someone else already having done this earlier in the trip (maybe earlier that same day, I've forgotten), I asked Michelle (co-pilot) to rush and take a picture of this - albeit blurry focus because of the rush to snap the pic.

In the right, or in the wrong.... it's still an unexpected hazard that could easily cause injury to the bicyclist, his blocker, and/or the occupants of any/all approaching vehicles.

-
Doug

bike-taking-up-hwy-lane.jpg - 46kB

k-rico - 1-8-2010 at 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

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Originally posted by k-rico
A 60 year old doctor, eh? Presumably an intelligent, mature, disciplined man.

The way I heard it was he accelerated past the cyclists then slammed on the brakes.

Crunch

Well, in rear-end accidents isn't it the vehicle that does the rear-ending at fault? It usually works that way. Perhaps his brake lights weren't working.

Bajahowodd - 1-8-2010 at 03:12 PM

"2010 California Vehicle Code
Table of Contents"

I copied and pasted the first page of a manual as titled. It is not called the "motor" vehicle code. That said, the problem described could happen with any very slow moving vehicle, especially those overloaded pick ups, and lord knows, we have all encountered them on Baja roads. Whether the bicyclist is a masochist or not, he/ she is entitled to be on the road. After all, most municipalities in the US prohibit the riding of bicycles on the sidewalk.

mtgoat666 - 1-8-2010 at 03:14 PM

if the hostility and aggression of baja nomads toward bikers is an indication of the hostility/aggtression of the general populace, the bikers are wise to have blocking cars. perhaps nomads are proof that the blockers are needed.

David K - 1-8-2010 at 03:19 PM

There is no need to ride side by side... just like cars don't drive side by side the same direction on a 2 lane road. Same rules for cars and bikes. If a car travels so slow and people behind can't pass safely, it should pull off... same is true for bikes. It is called respect and consideration for others. It is also called safe riding/ driving.

rts551 - 1-8-2010 at 03:22 PM

What changed my mind was a family traveling this time. they put the kids in little trailers behind them. An adventure fine. But putting the kids at risk?

Pacifico - 1-8-2010 at 03:31 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
if the hostility and aggression of baja nomads toward bikers is an indication of the hostility/aggtression of the general populace, the bikers are wise to have blocking cars. perhaps nomads are proof that the blockers are needed.

666 -
Have you ever had a close encounter with a bicyclist and a big semi truck while traveling on baja's Hwy 1? It seems not or you would understand how dangerous it is for both the cyclist and the vehicles. I personally have almost gone head on with a semi truck because of a bicyclist on Hwy 1. It is a dangerous game of timing. It just isn't the best place to ride a bicycle.

DianaT - 1-8-2010 at 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by Lauriboats

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OH great---kids riding in flimsy trailers and dad downs a quart of beer-----good one. :rolleyes:

And yes, I am being judgmental---no doubt about it.

[Edited on 1-8-2010 by DianaT]

mtgoat666 - 1-8-2010 at 03:35 PM

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Originally posted by Pacifico

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i have ridden bikes all my life, so don't need to be told that people in vehicles drive too fast for conditions. you should slow down so you are not a hazard to other vehicles on the road.

dk posted a link to the discover baja newsletter -- has a nice travelogue on biking down penninsula. :lol:

monoloco - 1-8-2010 at 03:37 PM

IMHO you have to be nuts to ride a bicycle on the highway in Baja. Get a mountain bike it's much more fun.

fixtrauma - 1-8-2010 at 03:46 PM

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Originally posted by Lauriboats

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We passed them going south somewhere along the way Dec. 17th. It was my 7, 5 and 3 year old grand kids that went on the most of how STUPID it was that they were on the hwy like that.

Agreed!

Bajahowodd - 1-8-2010 at 03:52 PM

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Originally posted by monoloco
IMHO you have to be nuts to ride a bicycle on the highway in Baja. Get a mountain bike it's much more fun.

But, in response to DK's post, I want to ask what is the difference between cyclists riding side by side, and some overloaded slow moving pick up? Oh. That's right. With the cyclists, you have much greater visibility!

:tumble:

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-8-2010 at 03:53 PM

Question: Is it even legal to ride bicycles on Baja highways. Anyone know the law on that? Is there a law?

Debra - 1-8-2010 at 03:54 PM

Those parents should be arrested for reclass (sp?) indangerment! I would NEVER DO THAT WITH MY KIDS AND I'D FIND A COP! Sure, probably wouldn't do any good but, tying the parents up dealing with it might give them something to think about. IDIOTS! :fire:

mtgoat666 - 1-8-2010 at 04:01 PM

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Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
Question: Is it even legal to ride bicycles on Baja highways. Anyone know the law on that? Is there a law?

of course it is legal. only a gringo could ask such a question.

Pacifico - 1-8-2010 at 04:02 PM

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Originally posted by Pacifico

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i have ridden bikes all my life, so don't need to be told that people in vehicles drive too fast for conditions. you should slow down so you are not a hazard to other vehicles on the road.

You didn't answer my question. It isn't a speed issue; it is a tight road in most places and not safe for bicycles. Granted, some drive too fast for conditions. But to generalize that everyone does and that is the issue is just plain wrong.

fixtrauma - 1-8-2010 at 04:03 PM

You know it is just good old plain consideration if you are on a bike or in a slow motorhome! There are not a lot of pull over spots for a 40 ft coach but when we were traveling slow, had a line behind us and a decent place to pull over was available........we pulled over. Just common courtesy.

The "I am the most important person here" attitude would exist with those two bicyclist if their butts are on a bike seat or a car seat.

rts551 - 1-8-2010 at 04:04 PM

Thats who I was talking about. Crazy. Even the truck drivers were talking about it when we stopped for lunch.

We saw them in the Hills by Santa Rosallitq

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Originally posted by DianaT

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Originally posted by Lauriboats

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OH great---kids riding in flimsy trailers and dad downs a quart of beer-----good one. :rolleyes:

And yes, I am being judgmental---no doubt about it.

[Edited on 1-8-2010 by DianaT]

Barry A. - 1-8-2010 at 04:07 PM

Not up on Mexico law, but in California a law applies to ALL vehicles that states if you are holding up more than (I'm guessing here) 5 vehicles, then you are required to PULL OVER and let them pass. That law has been around for many, many years. Tho it seldom is enforced, it is a citeable offense, and I have seen it enforced at least once in my long driving life.

I always pull over when I am holding folks up----for 2 reasons-----(1)to not upset others and possibly incur their wrath, and (2) just to exibit common decency.

To do otherwise, and hold folks up, is reckless endangerment in my book.

Those bicyclists, and the "cover car" are jerks, plain and simple, and may incur the consequences of their thoughless actions, some day. :fire:

Barry

Bajahowodd - 1-8-2010 at 04:09 PM

Reclass indangerment is letting your kids eat at McDonalds.

Barry A. - 1-8-2010 at 04:12 PM

I agree!!! I NEVER eat at McDonalds---------I am a JACK-IN-THE-BOX man, thru and thru---------love that JUMBO JACK ($1.79 ) :tumble:

Barry

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-8-2010 at 04:21 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
Question: Is it even legal to ride bicycles on Baja highways. Anyone know the law on that? Is there a law?

of course it is legal. only a gringo could ask such a question.

I am a Gringo! :lol:

Then, You'd Love Their Current Promotion

Bajahowodd - 1-8-2010 at 04:26 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
I agree!!! I NEVER eat at McDonalds---------I am a JACK-IN-THE-BOX man, thru and thru---------love that JUMBO JACK ($1.79 ) :tumble:

Barry

Jumbo Jack, fries, two tacos and a drink for $3.99. But would you want that to be your kid's steady diet?

David K - 1-8-2010 at 04:28 PM

Oh, a bacon wrapped hot dog is MUCH better... and add a churro to boot! :lol:

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-8-2010 at 04:29 PM

David K as long as it is a churro relleno I'm in!... Mmmmmm

Bajahowodd - 1-8-2010 at 04:31 PM

Is the cheese on the inside or the outside? And do they serve them at Mama's??

tripledigitken - 1-8-2010 at 04:33 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Reclass indangerment is letting your kids eat at McDonalds.

Come on, fess up, we know you stop for 1/4 #er's in Tecate.

:lol:

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-8-2010 at 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Is the cheese on the inside or the outside? And do they serve them at Mama's??

Howard, Thank God Mama's does not serve them because I would gain a ton I love them so much. On Olvera Street in Los Angeles they sell the stuffed Churros. They are filled with Chocolate or Vanilla custard. The chocolate is my downfall. I can eat three at a time. What a pig. :lol:

David K - 1-8-2010 at 04:40 PM

Too bad for us that 'Food' tastes so GOOD! :biggrin:

Skipjack Joe - 1-8-2010 at 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by ELINVESTI8

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
Question: Is it even legal to ride bicycles on Baja highways. Anyone know the law on that? Is there a law?

of course it is legal. only a gringo could ask such a question.

I am a Gringo! :lol:

No, I am Spartacus.

Sorry, can't get worked up about the same subject twice. Although, two cyclists riding abreast is really intolerable.

fishbuck - 1-8-2010 at 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Too bad for us that 'Food' tastes so GOOD! :biggrin:

In n Out Burger... the best

k-rico - 1-8-2010 at 04:44 PM

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Absolutely goat. Get that blocker car.

Ping!

You're gone.

Dumbest people on two wheels.

Get a motor.

mtgoat666 - 1-8-2010 at 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Too bad for us that 'Food' tastes so GOOD! :biggrin:

if you enjoy food, biking is a good way to burn off the calories :lol:

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-8-2010 at 04:49 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe

No, I am Spartacus.

Your Spartacus? Cool Skip.

[Edited on 1-8-2010 by ELINVESTI8]

Only the Restroom.

Bajahowodd - 1-8-2010 at 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by tripledigitken

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Reclass indangerment is letting your kids eat at McDonalds.

Come on, fess up, we know you stop for 1/4 #er's in Tecate.

:lol:

Barry A. - 1-8-2010 at 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by fishbuck

In n Out Burger... the best

"In n Out" is a "fad"---------besides, you can never get near the counter to make your order.

Barry

norte - 1-8-2010 at 04:51 PM

And have you had a few?

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Originally posted by David K
Too bad for us that 'Food' tastes so GOOD! :biggrin:

mtgoat666 - 1-8-2010 at 04:54 PM

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Originally posted by ELINVESTI8

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe

No, I am Spartacus.

Spartucus is the nickname for Fabian Cancellara, a swiss bike racer who is 2-time winner at worlds (time trial specialist). This year he rides for Saxo Bank team.

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-8-2010 at 04:55 PM

Damn pesky nicknames anyway :lol:

DENNIS - 1-8-2010 at 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

i have ridden bikes all my life

I hope your next trip is in front of me. I'm sober and insured. Wanna take your bullchit chances?

The Gull - 1-8-2010 at 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
i have ridden bikes all my life, so don't need to be told that people in vehicles drive too fast for conditions. you should slow down so you are not a hazard to other vehicles on the road.

Please post the next date and location when you get on a bike and go on road for cars. I'll be there.

surfer jim - 1-8-2010 at 05:41 PM

On my last trip down before Xmas I saw the bicycle family heading south about 10 miles past El Rosario. This is where the road is twisting through the mountains. It was raining and windy as we went by and then I saw the last bike had 3 people on it .....and in back was a kid about 10 years old. Glad to hear they made it further down.

Dave - 1-8-2010 at 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
Not up on Mexico law, but in California a law applies to ALL vehicles that states if you are holding up more than (I'm guessing here) 5 vehicles, then you are required to PULL OVER and let them pass. That law has been around for many, many years. Tho it seldom is enforced, it is a citeable offense, and I have seen it enforced at least once in my long driving life.

The law is five and I've seen it enforced many times. I frequently drive 74 from Temecula to Palm Desert and it's usually thick with cops. On several occasions (twice in just the last three months), I've witnessed them stopping holdup drivers.

monoloco - 1-8-2010 at 06:05 PM

It may be perfectly legal but that will be of little consequence when they are run over by an 18 wheeler.

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-8-2010 at 06:06 PM

When I take the Ortega Highway I speed right along with the rest of them around those DANGEROUS CURVES. There are pullouts but I would rather speed than use them. I think it is a triple fine area. If there are any cyclists on that stretch of the road they will be bumped over the edge into a 500 foot ravine! Accidentally of course!

BajaGringo - 1-8-2010 at 06:24 PM

I was riding in the passenger seat with a friend driving in Venezuela years ago when we came up to a small group on bikes taking up the road with the trailing car proving interference. My friend kept his patience for about 3 or 4 minutes until traffic allowed and then simply pulled around the group, in front of the bikes and then slowed down to a crawl. When the bikes tried to pass he sped up and then once the bikes were behind he would slow down again. This game went on for about 10 minutes until a traffic cop pulled us all over. When the stories were told the cop ordered the bikes to remain on the side of the road or he would confiscate the bikes and they would pay a fine to recover them.

We were given a tongue lashing and laughed about it for the rest of the day.

Anyone who does this on bikes and not involved in an sanctioned / organized events are jerks IMHO...

DENNIS - 1-8-2010 at 06:59 PM

It's all arrogant nonsense. What's next? Do they take their one year old kid out on the road and teach him to ride a tricycle while the marooon father rides interference with the Chevy?
Some of these gawwdam people think they are above the cooperation that is required to make society work smoothly.
That irritates me no end.

Narco Target Practice

The Gull - 1-8-2010 at 07:06 PM

I think the drug lords should be using them for the right reason, roadside target practice from a speeding car. Seems like I always hear about people being gunned down by 3-4 dudes who stop their black SUV's and then have to walk over and waste someone.

Stop it! What ever happened to the skill of drive-by shootings in Baja? The US has them all the time. They date back to at least the time of the Old West on horses and wagons and then upgraded to cars and trucks in the Roaring 20's.

Practice Practice Practice.

k-rico - 1-8-2010 at 07:17 PM

I've been watching this thread because bicyclists on narrow, high speed, two lane roads with no shoulders is sooooooo outrageous.

THEY CHOOSE TO CREATE A ROAD HAZARD

The first time I saw this in baja I was amazed at how anybody can be so stupid. But each year there are more of them. And now they have blocker cars. That just makes matters worse.

Maybe some drunk local dudes in old Hondas with stove pipe exhausts and purple tinted windows will get rid of some beer bottles at the appropriate time. Perhaps for a tip.

Debra - 1-8-2010 at 07:26 PM

We can freak out when we run into some idiot riding a bike while we are coming around a curve (that fear has taken years off my life, been there, done that!)

I don't want anyone to be hurt! Not my family or the people on the bike, it just seems to me that if you can't do the speed limit, you shouldn't be on the road :?:

especially Mex 1, we all know just how bad it can be, and to have babies in a tow thingy is just plain stupid, they will be the first to be hit............ COME ON PEOPLE, get a GRIP!!!!

k-rico - 1-8-2010 at 07:36 PM

From Fred Metcalf's website:

Basic Arithmetic of the Baja Highway
Width of the pavement: 19 feet
Width of the shoulder: 0 feet

Width of a truck/bus/RV: 8 feet
Added width for mirrors: 1 foot
Width used by two passing trucks/etc: 18 feet

Safety separation used by
two passing trucks/etc: 1 foot

Room left for a bicycler: 0 feet

norte - 1-8-2010 at 07:47 PM

This is where the freedom to do whatever you want to do ends

Debra - 1-8-2010 at 07:48 PM

k-rico.........just to add to your good info.

Mex 1 lanes are 9ft. no shoulder, many spots have no guardrails with a 300ft. drop............. US lanes are 12ft. with shoulders and guardrails. I apoligize to the person that posted the pic. showing just how many inchs that that semi had left in the lane (thank you)...everytime I hear a "newbie" ask questions about the hwy. I just want to drive with them to protect them, I'm a "mom" and I worry alot......but, I'm sorry, when I hear about bikes and babies on the hwy. It just gets my blood boiling!

Woooosh - 1-8-2010 at 07:55 PM

I've been stuck behind slow pokes many times. On a long haul- we would pull over and take a rest break before we let that ruin a beautiful drive. But if you really have to get to "Point B"by dark it's hard to relax and take it.

chernefitter - 1-8-2010 at 08:34 PM

maybe he was an ambulance chaser?? .well he is broke now, lost his license to practice.....stupid mistake on his part i guess.

Do no harm

Dave - 1-8-2010 at 08:45 PM

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lost his license to practice.

Me thinks he might have violated the Hippocratic Oath.

mtgoat666 - 1-8-2010 at 08:48 PM

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Please post the next date and location when you get on a bike and go on road for cars. I'll be there.

all you nomads are so predictable -- i hope i never get old and cranky like y'all

gull, dennis: bring it on!

mtgoat666 - 1-8-2010 at 08:53 PM

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Originally posted by Debra
it just seems to me that if you can't do the speed limit, you shouldn't be on the road

first you need to ban the slow poke retirees, ban the trucks, ban the RVs, ban the cows, ban the busses, ban the poor mexicans driving old jalopies, ban those damn unleashed dogs, ban the potholes,... then you can ban the bikes -- don't those slow pokes know that cranky, old, overweight gringos gotta get somewhere fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This scares me more than a cyclist

Bajaboy - 1-8-2010 at 09:04 PM

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DENNIS - 1-8-2010 at 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

of course it is legal. only a gringo could ask such a question.

It follows your logic that it would be legal to pile high a pickup with plants and have your own personal 5MPH Rose Parade down a busy one lane road.
How ridiculous, only for the sake of arguement, can you be.

DENNIS - 1-8-2010 at 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
first you need to ban the slow poke retirees, ban the trucks, ban the RVs, ban the cows, ban the busses, ban the poor mexicans driving old jalopies, ban those damn unleashed dogs, ban the potholes,... then you can ban the bikes -- don't those slow pokes know that cranky, old, overweight gringos gotta get somewhere fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your parents should have been banned from at least one activity I can think of.

Debra - 1-8-2010 at 09:27 PM

moegoat?

When are we taking about "old and cranky" I think we are talking about surviving souls on Mex1.........It's scary, dangerious, I want everyone safe and having a good journey..........it's not up to me to "ban" everyone (give me a break) I just want people to be informed and not be stupid.

Woooosh - 1-8-2010 at 09:56 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

of course it is legal. only a gringo could ask such a question.

They do that twice a week in Rosarito- I have to use the side-streets. Last month dozens of gringo bozos is over-sized off-road trucks and their sound system-blaring escorts had a procession through the whole town! They ran every light and stop sign promoting some off-road race...

I had to use the side streets to get around them. :saint:

fixtrauma - 1-9-2010 at 07:12 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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Originally posted by The Gull

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Please post the next date and location when you get on a bike and go on road for cars. I'll be there.

all you nomads are so predictable -- i hope i never get old and cranky like y'all

gull, dennis: bring it on!

How convenient for you GOAT to say "all you nomads are so predictable".

So easy to say isn't it.............because you are so different than anyone else! Whew.....we have you. Come on, you can do better than that.

The Gull - 1-9-2010 at 07:19 AM

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Originally posted by norte
This is where the freedom to do whatever you want to do ends

With that freedom comes responsibility, that is what most over-indulgent, self-absorbed a-holes like mount goat and people like him, forget.

The responsibility is NOT TO ENDANGER OTHER PEOPLE WHILE YOU CHOOSE TO KILL YOURSELF.

Bring it, yourself, 666

pacside - 1-9-2010 at 09:49 AM

I agree with most posters except goatmeat that it is dangerous for bicyclists to ride on hwy 1. Now these guys did show some intelligence by having a blocker vehicle drive behind them. Issue is they were thinking about safety for themselves but not for anyone else which is very selfish.

These bikers were riding very nice bikes and had what appeared to be expensive equipment; i.e. helmets, clothes, etc. The blocker car was also a nice newer vehicle; can't remember model type. They did not appear to be gringos. Someone earlier in this thread mentioned they probably had a hall pass from the govt and I would agree based on what I witnessed.

I absolutely HATE seeing any bikers riding with those little trailers with babies behind them anywhere but on mx hwy 1 they should be arrested for child endangerment.

As an aside a college buddy of mine who was a very athletic 6'9" former basketball player was riding his bike downhill in La Jolla near San Diego, lost control and fell in front of a car and died instantly. He was only 40 at the time. Can you imagine the poor driver. That is why I am so careful when I ride around bikers. I don't mind them riding it is just that I can't trust they won't lose control and fall in front of me.

Some of you may remember about 10-15 years ago a teenager took out 4 bikers riding single file in Northern California while she reached down for a music cd.

This is why we only ride mountain bikes.

pacside

[Edited on 1-9-2010 by pacside]

DENNIS - 1-9-2010 at 09:55 AM

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Originally posted by pacside
These bikers were riding very nice bikes and had what appeared to be expensive equipment; i.e. helmets, clothes, etc. The blocker car was also a nice newer vehicle;

Same here. These people arn't taco vendors on a day off. Hence, the arrogance I mentioned earlier.
This is a society that will tolerate anybody doing anything as long as they have the right connections.

mtgoat666 - 1-9-2010 at 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
we came up to a small group on bikes taking up the road with the trailing car proving interference. My friend kept his patience for about 3 or 4 minutes until traffic allowed and then simply pulled around the group, in front of the bikes and then slowed down to a crawl. When the bikes tried to pass he sped up and then once the bikes were behind he would slow down again. This game went on for about 10 minutes until a traffic cop pulled us all over.

bajagringoroadmenace: disconcerting to see you take pride in your road rage. but you fit in quite well with your buddies dennis and gull.

Paulina - 1-9-2010 at 10:58 AM

We had the time to enjoy the scenery while following behind three support vehicles and eight bikes heading south over the New Year holiday.

Our relaxed drive started at the uphill grade before the military check point to El Rosario, through the check point where they had the opportunity to pull off to the side to let everyone pass but chose not to, then all the way to El Rosario where we pulled off at the market to give them some distance.

We were finally able to pass them safely just before the bridge out of town. One of the support vehicles even stuck his arm out of the drivers side window indicating that we should fall back in line and not pass. There was no way we were going to follow this biking adventure any further.

The frustrating part was when they were coasting, doing the "look mom no hands" trick as they plugged the entire lane with over 10 cars stuck behind.

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DENNIS - 1-9-2010 at 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

but you fit in quite well with your buddies dennis and gull.

He's a welcome addition to our gang.
Hope to see you riding your bike on the Bufadora road someday. I'll sit and watch the coyotes eat what's left of you.

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-9-2010 at 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

bajagringoroadmenace: disconcerting to see you take pride in your road rage. but you fit in quite well with your buddies dennis and gull.

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Originally posted by DENNIS

He's a welcome addition to our gang.
Hope to see you riding your bike on the Bufadora road someday. I'll sit and watch the coyotes eat what's left of you.

MTGOAT666 YOU NEED THIS AGAIN!

k-rico - 1-9-2010 at 12:38 PM

"We were finally able to pass them safely just before the bridge out of town. One of the support vehicles even stuck his arm out of the drivers side window indicating that we should fall back in line and not pass. There was no way we were going to follow this biking adventure any further."

Jeez, expecting you not to pass and follow this parade of marooons.

Long neck beer bottles can be easily whipped with high precision. Empties are fine, don't waste the aiming fluid.

Bajahowodd - 1-9-2010 at 12:45 PM

"Long neck beer bottles can be easily whipped with high precision. Empties are fine, don't waste the aiming fluid. "

Fits right in with the idea that biking on Mex 1 is dangerous, huh?

toneart - 1-9-2010 at 12:51 PM

I too think riding a bike on HWY 1 is risky. I also agree it is dangerous for every one else on the road. If they are endangering the lives of children and babies, that is a criminal act! However, being criminal in this regard will probably never be prosecuted. It doesn't seem to be against the law in Mexico. Their stupidity appears to be insulated by arrogance.

When finally getting around the arrogant, stupid, road hog bicyclists I am angry at them, but I take a breath and sincerely hope that no harm comes to them.

Forgetting that not everyone thinks the way I do, I was about to say, "nobody wants to see harm come to the stupid bike riders (or rock throwers as is the subject of another current string)." But then I read the posts of quite a few Nomads who actually do wish them harm. Very disappointing!

Baja cyclist at home

k-rico - 1-9-2010 at 12:53 PM

mtgoat666 - 1-9-2010 at 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico

Jeez, expecting you not to pass and follow this parade of marooons.

Long neck beer bottles can be easily whipped with high precision. Empties are fine, don't waste the aiming fluid.

k-rico calls the bikers marooons and in doing so shows his superior marooonicity :lol:

typical nomad response. is this a road ragers website?

many nomads are irresponsible DWI drivers, so i imagine they have a ready supply of beer bottles in their oversized suvs and pickups. but i bet the retirees will miss as they throw bottles at mexican youth, the DWI bottle throwers mostly seem to be overweight couch potatoes, unlikely to have good aim :lol:

Bajahowodd - 1-9-2010 at 01:00 PM

Count me out. I find that cans fit better in my cooler! :spingrin:

k-rico - 1-9-2010 at 01:23 PM

Goat, you continue to defend your irresponsible, dangerous and completely optional behavior. How can you possibly believe that riding a bicycle on Mex 1 is an OK thing to do? The hazards are obvious. The fact that bicyclists think the rest of us should accept the added danger and aggravation indicates a rational approach does not work.

You and your ilk are the cause of the problem.

[Edited on 1-9-2010 by k-rico]

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-9-2010 at 01:30 PM

mtgoat666 knows better. He's just tweaking our collective giblets!

k-rico - 1-9-2010 at 01:36 PM

Well mine are pretty well tweaked by this subject. A completely non-essential danger added to an already dangerous situation. Closing speeds of 100 mph or more, a foot or two separation between oncoming vehicles, no shoulders, and more and more often people on bicycles, now with blocker cars precluding an easy pass.

Beer bottles!

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