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El Teo captured in La Paz, BCS

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bajarocket - 1-12-2010 at 11:23 AM

Kind of ironic he was hiding out in La Paz.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/jan/12/reputed-leade...

http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Nacional/12012...

[Edited on 1-12-2010 by bajarocket]

Woooosh - 1-12-2010 at 11:30 AM

yeah- I figured he was still in Rosarito or Ensenada. Interesting that the DEA announces his capture first- not Mexico. I guess that saves a few Mexican journalists their lives...

Nice job DEA!

[Edited on 1-12-2010 by Woooosh]

Bajahowodd - 1-12-2010 at 11:37 AM

I guess he felt Rosarito was just too dangerous a place. :yes:

Nice catch!

Street cleaning

Dave - 1-12-2010 at 11:40 AM

For the near future I'd recommend postponing plans to visit TJ.

It's gonna get ugly.

bajarocket - 1-12-2010 at 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by Dave
For the near future I'd recommend postponing plans to visit TJ.

It's gonna get ugly.

I agree. When leaders are captured it can lead to more violence from within the cartel and rival cartels as they fight for control.

Woooosh - 1-12-2010 at 12:09 PM

We'll just hope for some rain to clean the blood off the streets.

It's already worse. The violence had been escalating even before TEO's capture- the Media is just numb to it. No point beating a dead horse I guess.

k-rico - 1-12-2010 at 12:18 PM

"Garcia is considered to be among the country's most vicious kingpins. Officials say he was to blame for many of the beheaded bodies found dumped in Tijuana and that he ordered hundreds of bodies to be dissolved in acid.

He is listed among Mexico's 24 most-wanted drug lords and the government had offered $2.1 million for information leading to his arrest.

Officials say Garcia was a cartel lieutenant who broke away from the Arellano Felix gang following the arrest of its leader, Benjamin Arellano Felix, and the death of his brother, Raul.

Garcia formed his own gang, which was zealous in killing street-corner peddlers as he tried to solidify his control of eastern Tijuana. He is believed to be allied with the Sinaloa cartel, run by Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, according to an army document dated February 2009."

link

more:

http://news.google.com/news/more?um=1&cf=all&ned=us&...

recent TJ news:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&source=hp&q=tijuan...

[Edited on 1-12-2010 by k-rico]

CaboRon - 1-12-2010 at 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by Dave
For the near future I'd recommend postponing plans to visit TJ.

It's gonna get ugly.

TJ has been ugly for a long time already

Mexicorn - 1-12-2010 at 12:40 PM

There is the sister Edena and another brother whos a doctor right?

NICE CAPTURE!

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-12-2010 at 12:46 PM

Woooosh - 1-12-2010 at 01:29 PM

Teo used his 3 planes and baja airstrips to move the drugs...

"Garcia formed his own gang, which got its drugs from the Sinaloa Cartel run by Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman and from the La Familia gang in Michoacan state, Pequeno said.

Garcia owned three planes that his gang would use to fly drugs from Michoacan, Sinaloa and Jalisco states to the Baja California peninsula, where they were unloaded and then smuggled into the United States by land, Pequeno said."

Bajahowodd - 1-12-2010 at 01:31 PM

If true, as the Associated Press story states, they arrested him at "a home he owns in La Paz". Is that arrogance or stupidity? I was kinda wondering how a guy like that traveled. Did he just walk up to the Volaris counter at the TJ airport and use his Mastercard to buy a ticket to La Paz? Or may he hopped into his Hummer and drove down, chit-chatting with the soldiers at the checkpoints? Just curious.

edit- as it looks like Woooosh answered at least one of my questions.

[Edited on 1-12-2010 by Bajahowodd]

JESSE - 1-12-2010 at 01:47 PM

Finally this f***** got nailed.

Woooosh - 1-12-2010 at 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
If true, as the Associated Press story states, they arrested him at "a home he owns in La Paz". Is that arrogance or stupidity? I was kinda wondering how a guy like that traveled. Did he just walk up to the Volaris counter at the TJ airport and use his Mastercard to buy a ticket to La Paz? Or may he hopped into his Hummer and drove down, chit-chatting with the soldiers at the checkpoints? Just curious.

edit- as it looks like Woooosh answered at least one of my questions.

[Edited on 1-12-2010 by Bajahowodd]

He was very non-descript looking and blended in. Hiding in plain sight all along probably.

Probably had runway conversations and chit-chat contact with our flying nomads. Bet no one suspected him to just fly in and out that openly...

[Edited on 1-12-2010 by Woooosh]

Woooosh - 1-12-2010 at 01:53 PM

So what do you think they will do with him? Extradite him to the USA right away? Too hot a potato to handle down here or a show trial?

Must Have Been A Lousy Tipper

Bajahowodd - 1-12-2010 at 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
Finally this f***** got nailed.

Bajahowodd - 1-12-2010 at 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
So what do you think they will do with him? Extradite him to the USA right away? Too hot a potato to handle down here or a show trial?

I'm thinking extradition. The situation is too volatile in Mexico to consider a trial SOB, IMHO.

JESSE - 1-12-2010 at 02:11 PM

He is staying in Mexico, has five warrants, kidnapping, murder, drugs, you name it, hes done it.

Hes an animal, they should have put a bullet in his head and get it over with.

BajaBruno - 1-12-2010 at 02:30 PM

Hmm, any connection here, perhaps, to the murder of the La Paz police chief a couple years ago? I haven't heard a word about whether that was solved.

Woooosh - 1-12-2010 at 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
He is staying in Mexico, has five warrants, kidnapping, murder, drugs, you name it, hes done it.

Hes an animal, they should have put a bullet in his head and get it over with.

What does a Mexican criminal trial of this magnitude look like? I don't think I've ever seen anything on them. Does anyone think a Mexican jail can hold onto him? Is anyone watching his back or are the other narco families happy to see him gone?

Doesn't look much like his suit and tie photo-

[Edited on 1-12-2010 by Woooosh]

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bajabass - 1-12-2010 at 04:11 PM

Maybe there will be a horrible accident while he is in custody. Wishfull thinking on my part.

PRESS CONFERENCE (SPANISH)

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-12-2010 at 04:57 PM

PART 2

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-12-2010 at 05:07 PM

[Edited on 1-13-2010 by ELINVESTI8]

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-12-2010 at 05:09 PM

JESSE - 1-12-2010 at 05:39 PM

Property values in the corridor, just jumped a few thousand dollars.

DENNIS - 1-12-2010 at 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
Property values in the corridor, just jumped a few thousand dollars.

Who will take his place?

JESSE - 1-12-2010 at 06:00 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by JESSE
Property values in the corridor, just jumped a few thousand dollars.

Who will take his place?

El Muletas.

FINALLY !

djh - 1-12-2010 at 07:50 PM

Yup, I just got home from (cover your ears, retirees) "work" and saw the story on the Newshour.

Turf wars...., lower thugs vieing to fill the void..., whatever: it is good to see such a violent narco legend face the music.

I agree.... a local trial or imprisonment may prove to be difficult or ummanageable.... but we can all hope that justice is served.... in MX, in the US, or both.

Udo - 1-12-2010 at 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by ELINVESTI8

Thanks David...highly informative; much more so than the US press!

DENNIS - 1-12-2010 at 08:20 PM

What??? No kudos for the good guys?
I'm really impressed. Calderóns crew is really taking it to 'em. How can anybody now say the government doesn't care.
I'll say it again.....I'm really impressed.
Give'em hell, Felipe.

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-12-2010 at 08:24 PM

De Nada Amigo Udo...

DENNIS - 1-12-2010 at 08:26 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
El Muletas.

Quién es El Muletas? Workers, down the chain of command?

JESSE - 1-12-2010 at 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by JESSE
El Muletas.

Quién es El Muletas? Workers, down the chain of command?

His compadre. In the past year, some say he has more money, more men than Teo.

DENNIS - 1-12-2010 at 08:37 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE

His compadre. In the past year, some say he has more money, more men than Teo.

The better it gets, the worse it gets. Seems there's no freakin end to it, is there.

arrowhead - 1-12-2010 at 08:41 PM

Victor Clark is already being quoted in the TJ newspapers as saying El Teo will be replaced right away.

http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Noticias/12012...

lizard lips - 1-12-2010 at 08:42 PM

I wonder if he was ever worried about his cholesterol level?

Udo - 1-12-2010 at 08:43 PM

:lol:

Justice

BajaCactus - 1-13-2010 at 01:41 AM

Justice has finally been made... to all of you who understand my remark, I would appreciate your prudence by not elaborating on it.

Thank to all of you for your friendship and support.

BajaCactus

JESSE - 1-13-2010 at 02:55 AM

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Originally posted by BajaCactus
Justice has finally been made... to all of you who understand my remark, I would appreciate your prudence by not elaborating on it.

Thank to all of you for your friendship and support.

BajaCactus

Good to hear from you again, and yes, this animal is finally where its supposed to be.

Got this from a TJ blog

JESSE - 1-13-2010 at 03:09 AM

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-13-2010 at 06:50 AM

bajajazz - 1-13-2010 at 10:04 AM

If I understood last night's national news correctly, Teo's residence was in Fidei Paz, didn't get the name of the street but the number was '710.' That, apparently, was where the bust went down.

Doesn't it somehow kind of figure that Teo was living in a neighborhood alongside the "right" kind of people?

Then again, maybe the cloacal smells that plague Fidei Paz don't come from the sewer plant after all.

mtgoat666 - 1-13-2010 at 10:36 AM

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Originally posted by bajajazz
If I understood last night's national news correctly, Teo's residence was in Fidei Paz, didn't get the name of the street but the number was '710.' That, apparently, was where the bust went down.

Doesn't it somehow kind of figure that Teo was living in a neighborhood alongside the "right" kind of people?

Then again, maybe the cloacal smells that plague Fidei Paz don't come from the sewer plant after all.

the news story i saw said he was arrested at a resort hotel where he was staying. wonder what hotel accepts such nefarious characters? can't imagine the inn keeper was unaware of his guests questionable morals, as that guest must travel with quite an entouraage

BajaNomad - 1-13-2010 at 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by BajaCactus
Justice has finally been made...

Woooosh - 1-13-2010 at 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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It was a house- he was throwing a party of all things.... hiding in plian sight.

"According to AFN, Federal Agents arrived at the home where El Teo was hosting a lavish party. AFN reports that seven more gunmen were arrested at the home with four suitcases containing 5.8 million dollars and attempted to bribe officials with this money in exchange for the freedom of El Teo, but it was no dice. All of the detainees were taken from the premises in two buses. AFN reports that seven women were seen leaving the house with two children."

Dave - 1-13-2010 at 11:29 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
AFN reports that seven more gunmen were arrested at the home with four suitcases containing 5.8 million dollars

I heard it was 8.5 million.

DENNIS - 1-13-2010 at 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by Dave

I heard it was 8.5 million.

That was before they brought it to the station.

Woooosh - 1-13-2010 at 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Dave

I heard it was 8.5 million.

That was before they brought it to the station.

BajaNews - 1-13-2010 at 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by bajajazz
If I understood last night's national news correctly, Teo's residence was in Fidei Paz, didn't get the name of the street but the number was '710.'

Fidepaz; calles Pez Vela y Sardina; numero 710

http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&um=1&cf=all&...

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Hey DK and gnukid!!!!!!!!!

mtgoat666 - 1-13-2010 at 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by BajaNews

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Originally posted by bajajazz
If I understood last night's national news correctly, Teo's residence was in Fidei Paz, didn't get the name of the street but the number was '710.'

Fidepaz; calles Pez Vela y Sardina; numero 710

http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&um=1&cf=all&...

[Edited on 1-13-2010 by BajaNews]

hey DK! we need a google air photo!!

hey newkid!! we need a ground level shot of the house!!!

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-13-2010 at 01:12 PM

Wow!!! Nice house! It looks like some that are built here in the USA. Nice! I guess they are built that way to entice foreigners, and Narcos of course!

DENNIS - 1-13-2010 at 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Dave

I heard it was 8.5 million.

That was before they brought it to the station.

OOOPS. Seems you said the same thing with the blinking bobble-head. Aw WTF...I can't pay attention to everything. :cool:

BajaGringo - 1-13-2010 at 01:22 PM

What amazed me was the report that he was found with only one bodyguard inside the house and not one outside the house. I also read a report interviewing a neighbor that he had lived there for over ten years...

Aerial View Of El Teo’s Neighborhood

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-13-2010 at 02:40 PM

Copy and paste this Latitude: 24° 7'40.76"N and this Longitude: 110°20'23.71"W into Google Earth like this: 24° 7'40.76"N 110°20'23.71"W

Bajahowodd - 1-13-2010 at 04:40 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
What amazed me was the report that he was found with only one bodyguard inside the house and not one outside the house. I also read a report interviewing a neighbor that he had lived there for over ten years...

It only reinforces the idea that the BCS government has been complicit with El Teo and his ilk. When I read the AP article stating that they captured him in his own house, it set my mind to wandering.

arrowhead - 1-13-2010 at 07:15 PM

El Teo thought he was invincible. Here is an excerpt I translated from an article in AFN about him:

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Before, on other occasions when there were rumors of his arrest, he had the luck to be helped by some people, including police, to flee. And when that didn't work out, he fled after delivering large amounts of money to his captors. El Teo avoided an arrest in Ensenada, when protected by federal highway patrolmen, he was removed from a resort where in the end the person known as "El Pozolero", Santiago Meza Lopez, was arrested. More recently, at the end of last year in Rosarito, it was verified that he was captured in an operation by federal officers, apparently from SIEDO, but he "negotiated" his freedom and by paying them a huge amount of money they let him go.

http://afntijuana.info/blog/?p=25360

There are a lot of dirty, stinkin cops down there with the blood of their own fellow cops and carnales on their hands. I hear El Teo is singing like a canary now. I hope the round them all up to keep him company.

toneart - 1-13-2010 at 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd

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This may be why Baja Sur has been relatively violence free, too. Being allowed to traffic freely throughout Baja Sur (if that is the case), the violence is mostly concentrated along the border towns, the bottleneck for criminals large and small, where they meet the most resistance.

Now, that could change, fast! I hope not.

Udo - 1-13-2010 at 07:39 PM

We were seriously considering moving to La Paz.

I think we will now wait a while until all the dust settles.

tjBill - 1-13-2010 at 09:54 PM

Today a Tijuana paper is calling Baja Sur a "Refuge for Narcos."

http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Nacional/13012...

[Edited on 1-14-2010 by tjBill]

bajajazz - 1-13-2010 at 10:08 PM

Today's Sud Californio said the house was the property of a man and woman who own one or more women's wear stores with the provocative name of "TiTy's," and I'm not sure if I'm spelling that right.

If there's any truth to the story that El Teo lived there for ten years then I guess it's inescapably true that our local law enforcement people are seriously dirty as dirty can be. And here I thought all along that they were just working stiffs happy with a little curbside mordida.

Eric Berne, the brilliant psychiatrist who wrote "Games People Play," made the most excellent point that massive, on-going crime simply cannot exist unless it is accompanied and permitted by massive collusion and corruption of those whose job it is to enforce the law.

I've been watching the first season of an HBO mini-series called, "The Wire," and in it the writers make the point that agencies of the law are allowed to pursue only those in direct contact with the drugs, at one level or another. They are directed to follow the drugs -- not the money -- because following the drugs leads only to lowlife types who are totally expendable, whereas following the money leads to the suits who occupy positions of authority and presumed respectability who operate with immunity from investigation, arrest and prosecution.

In other words, law enforcement can arrest swine like El Teo one after another from now until the cows come home and it's not going to make the slightest difference because the money movers and washers are operating at a level where the law doesn't ask, doesn't tell and doesn't dare.

Discouraging, isn't it?

JESSE - 1-13-2010 at 10:26 PM

Teo didn't live there for ten years. About a year ago i lived right across that house. They where remodeling it and bringing in new furniture. The old owners sold it to someone from Ensenada. Teo probably visited every few months for a few days, thats all.

JESSE - 1-13-2010 at 10:27 PM

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Originally posted by udowinkler
We were seriously considering moving to La Paz.

I think we will now wait a while until all the dust settles.

Theres nothing wrong with you moving to La Paz. Its still one of the safest cities in north america. Guys like Teo come to hide, but they don't do business here. They keep a very low profile.

MitchMan - 1-13-2010 at 10:58 PM

That's comforting to hear, Jesse. But, since he was captured in La Paz, I am apprehensive about the possible retribution that may ensue in La Paz as retribution usually follows in the area where local enforcement obviously participated in his capture. I am going to La Paz for ten days with my wife at the end of this week. I will be watching out for word of any activity and will report on this forum if I hear of anything.

Darn, I thought BCS had no substantive connection to any of this evil.

BOILING !!

djh - 1-13-2010 at 11:35 PM

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Originally posted by arrowhead
El Teo thought he was invincible. Here is an excerpt I translated from an article in AFN about him:

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This boil anyone else's blood as much as mine ??

It is difficult to imagine not having a death penalty in this whole situation....

Speaking of boiling.... aren't there some spare 55 gal. drums available for the whole lot ?

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-14-2010 at 04:34 AM

I want this Scumbag El Teo and others of his ilk to get the Death Penalty for killing innocent people including honest police officers. That is the bare minimum the Mexican Government can do for all the chaos they have caused for the Mexican people! I want any Police Officer who offered aid to this Scumbag to get life imprisonment without the possibility of parole or given the death penalty if they killed anyone while aiding him.

aldosalato - 1-14-2010 at 06:54 AM

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Hook - 1-14-2010 at 07:36 AM

Unlike baseball, it's hard for me to keep track of all the players and which team they are on.

That said, Jesse, how does the recent capture and killings of the Beltrans and now the capture of El Teo square with your contention that Calderon is favoring one cartel over the other? :?:

lizard lips - 1-14-2010 at 08:03 AM

He gets his drugs at "Farmacia Del Sol" Hook. I saw him there the other day.

k-rico - 1-14-2010 at 08:19 AM

BCS's government has been run by PRD governors for about 10 years.

The PRD has called for the legalization of drugs to stop the violence.

Narcos "hide" in plain sight in BCS. El Teo sure went out of his way building his hideout. Same neighborhood in the capital city where the oligarchs live. He felt safe there.

Hmmmm.

[Edited on 1-14-2010 by k-rico]

Woooosh - 1-14-2010 at 11:02 AM

He travels with suitcases full of $Millions, just for the purpose of bribing his way free. This time the cops said no to $5.8 or $8.5 Million- for the first time. What third world cop/military/politician can say no to $Millions of instant wealth to split among themselves and walk away with? Instant retirement and a new life- and that's apparently what has happened several times.

It bothers me the DEA/Mexico watched and tracked him for the past six months while all the heads were rolling around TJ and tourist economy collapsed. Geesh.

[Edited on 1-14-2010 by Woooosh]

oldlady - 1-14-2010 at 11:13 AM

Interesting house...no wall, no fence, no gate. Little unusual in that hood.

DENNIS - 1-14-2010 at 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by oldlady
Interesting house...no wall, no fence, no gate. Little unusual in that hood.

Not to mention they took him down, with choppers and planes flying around overhead, without a shot being fired. If I were the type of guy who cooked people's bodies in acid, I'd at least shoot my gun a couple of times.

gnukid - 1-14-2010 at 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by oldlady
Interesting house...no wall, no fence, no gate. Little unusual in that hood.

Enthusiasm for criminal enforcement is great, but, perhaps a critical view might be worth consideration.

There is no evidence presented so far that someone named el teo is responsible for any crime. Yes, there are post-attributions of responsibility, claims of credit, but no actual evidence presented before and after the arrest.

While we do have evidence of some people who are narco-traffickers, actual evidence, those cases predominantly point to sources such as CIA drug operations, crashed military extradition planes full of coke, corrupt military and black operations like Iran-Contra of which there are many.

Interestingly that with so many so called investigators and retired police here, none of you have brought up the quite obvious question-about the evidence that in fact el teo is responsible for anything and where is evidence that the person they arrested is that person.

There are fairly obvious and basic questions, that haven't been brought up nor answered here, so it brings up the obvious question, if this is a crime and arrest Why is there no evidence, it looks like distractions and obfuscation from actual corruption, not so different from operations to justify the war of terror, in this case its the police state to justify the war for drugs.

toneart - 1-14-2010 at 02:25 PM

"...where is evidence that the person they arrested is that person."(?)-gnukid

This is an interesting stretch of the imagination! Having said that, my mind can go there and make a case:

1. Phony, trumped up arrest of decoy so as to shield the real Teo.
2. Brownie points with public.
3. Justification for War On Drugs which is a BIG industry.

Choose one, two or all three.

Quien sabe?

Bring me my new tinfoil hat, please. :cool:

Barry A. - 1-14-2010 at 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by toneart

Bring me my new tinfoil hat, please. :cool:

Tony--------you have GOT to take better care of those "hats"----they are very fragile, you know, and only work when in good shape. (I speak from experience.)

:lol:

Barry

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-14-2010 at 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.

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Originally posted by toneart

Bring me my new tinfoil hat, please. :cool:

Tony--------you have GOT to take better care of those "hats"----they are very fragile, you know, and only work when in good shape. (I speak from experience.)

:lol:

Barry

Tony here you go please don't loose it again. They are getting expensive! I just lost mine again too! :lol:

toneart - 1-14-2010 at 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R

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Originally posted by Barry A.

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Originally posted by toneart

Bring me my new tinfoil hat, please. :cool:

Tony--------you have GOT to take better care of those "hats"----they are very fragile, you know, and only work when in good shape. (I speak from experience.)

:lol:

Barry

Tony here you go please don't loose it again. They are getting expensive! I just lost mine again too! :lol:

Ahhhhh! Thanks, guys. With so much on my mind, the head swells and the damned hat keeps popping off and getting lost.
Now I can get back to work. :smug:

I suppose in an emergency, the silver fillings in my mouth will bring in reception. There is a lot of static though. The new tinfoil hat keeps my brain clear as a bell. :light:

[Edited on 1-14-2010 by toneart]

gnukid - 1-14-2010 at 02:49 PM

Please, why not include any links or references to actual factual evidence beyond these farcical story lines.

Each of you who promote killing or execution without that evidence must be ashamed of yourselves for falling into a trap of programmed repetitive violence. Truly, you must ask yourself what kind of values you represent if you base your values on theatrics and condone murder of others based only on theatrics and heresay and no evidence of crime.

I do not doubt that there are bad guys, only that I expect that everyone should be afforded the same expectation of evidence of guilt in a public trial. And it is deeply offensive to our values as a community of fairness that You would promote open threats of murder without such evidence. Each of you who have made these statements in support of murder without evidence previously in this thread need to look at your values and morality and ask yourself how that affects your actions, your family and your community.

gnukid - 1-14-2010 at 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by toneart
"...where is evidence that the person they arrested is that person."(?)-gnukid

This is an interesting stretch of the imagination! Having said that, my mind can go there and make a case:

1. Phony, trumped up arrest of decoy so as to shield the real Teo.
2. Brownie points with public.
3. Justification for War On Drugs which is a BIG industry.

Choose one, two or all three.

Quien sabe?

Bring me my new tinfoil hat, please. :cool:

I have no theory about what is happening in this case, not at all. I asked some pretty obvious questions which so many of you smartypants investigators and retired police and military failed to ask-which to me is odd.

I said, paraphrasing, we have seen no evidence of criminal activity nor evidence that this is a criminal in these recent reports. Furthermore, I said that yes there is evidence of narco trafficking by people who are caught-such as the Iran Contra case and many well documented military extradition planes who crashed loaded with drugs. Many many cases of CIA and Military support for drug trafficking, such as that which is occurring in Afghanistan now under US military protection.

Certainly I would agree, the entire scenario is sad, horrific really, but can we drip the farcical theatrics for some actual crime-busting and do it in a manner which reinforces our values, our morals and common sense which has been entirely lacking in the reporting of this narco arrest.

You are certainly each welcome to your viewpoint. Though I would urge you to be thoughtful, critical and skeptical as your first position. Do not let your emotional buttons be pushed by theatre which compromises your values and don't demean yoursleves but falling toward and mirroring bad behavior.

comitan - 1-14-2010 at 03:04 PM

Kid its not for us to furnish the evidence, its for the prosecutors in a court of law. And I fully believe that they have that evidence. Now go make some Pizza I'm sure thats what you do best. :biggrin:

gnukid - 1-14-2010 at 03:10 PM

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El Teo can get nabbed for one thing at least. He can't explain how he has $millions in a brief case. That alone is enough to send him to jail. I forget what my wife calls it, but basically "inexplicable wealth" is a crime.

As for shooting guns, it appears El Teo subcontracts that. He's far more likely to try to beat the rap Mafia style than commit suicide.

[Edited on 1-14-2010 by audiobaja]

Let's change this story for reasonable comparison- Say Dennis was reportedly caught with 5.8 million in a suitcase. First, it makes little sense and its hard to believe-why? What good would it do to have 5.8 million in a suitcase? Also, its not a crime to find money, it can be turned over to the some department in the Treasury to identify that's it, it is not a crime.

I will wait for the evidence. Hope you do too.

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-14-2010 at 03:10 PM

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Bring me my new tinfoil hat, please. :cool:

Tony--------you have GOT to take better care of those "hats"----they are very fragile, you know, and only work when in good shape. (I speak from experience.)

:lol:

Barry

Tony here you go please don't loose it again. They are getting expensive! I just lost mine again too! :lol:

Ahhhhh! Thanks, guys. With so much on my mind, the head swells and the damned hat keeps popping off and getting lost.
Now I can get back to work. :smug:

I suppose in an emergency, the silver fillings in my mouth will bring in reception. There is a lot of static though. The new tinfoil hat keeps my brain clear as a bell. :light:

[Edited on 1-14-2010 by toneart]

Tony I'll hang out with you so your not so lonley!

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-14-2010 at 03:25 PM

I'm sorry but someone has to say it. There is a person or people in this thread and they are spinning out of control in the vortex. I'll let you decide who!

mtgoat666 - 1-14-2010 at 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
Please, why not include any links or references to actual factual evidence beyond these farcical story lines.

Each of you who promote killing or execution without that evidence must be ashamed of yourselves for falling into a trap of programmed repetitive violence. Truly, you must ask yourself what kind of values you represent if you base your values on theatrics and condone murder of others based only on theatrics and heresay and no evidence of crime.

I do not doubt that there are bad guys, only that I expect that everyone should be afforded the same expectation of evidence of guilt in a public trial. And it is deeply offensive to our values as a community of fairness that You would promote open threats of murder without such evidence. Each of you who have made these statements in support of murder without evidence previously in this thread need to look at your values and morality and ask yourself how that affects your actions, your family and your community.

newkid: are you starting a legal aid fund for el teo?

the evidence is usually in hands of policia. no justice system produces evidence for all to see for themselves. you have to trust it will be revealed to defense in discovery period before trial, and you can probably go to court and watch trial if you want to see it for yourself. until then, you have to go with what police release to press and what press tells you.

re death penalty, mexico doesn't have it.

re nomads making rushed judgements,... well, that's what old men do when they sit around in their underwear blathering on in internet forums

mtgoat666 - 1-14-2010 at 04:01 PM

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this drug war stuff has been going on for years. i suspect that policia (us and mex) have rooms full of evidence, many thousands of hours of wire taps, spy satellite photos, etc.

newkid: you march down to the police station and demand to be allowed to rumage around in the evidence storage lockers!!! tell me how that works for you :lol:

mtgoat666 - 1-14-2010 at 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
Enthusiasm for criminal enforcement is great, but, perhaps a critical view might be worth consideration.

There is no evidence presented so far that someone named el teo is responsible for any crime. Yes, there are post-attributions of responsibility, claims of credit, but no actual evidence presented before and after the arrest.

While we do have evidence of some people who are narco-traffickers, actual evidence, those cases predominantly point to sources such as CIA drug operations, crashed military extradition planes full of coke, corrupt military and black operations like Iran-Contra of which there are many.

Interestingly that with so many so called investigators and retired police here, none of you have brought up the quite obvious question-about the evidence that in fact el teo is responsible for anything and where is evidence that the person they arrested is that person.

There are fairly obvious and basic questions, that haven't been brought up nor answered here, so it brings up the obvious question, if this is a crime and arrest Why is there no evidence, it looks like distractions and obfuscation from actual corruption, not so different from operations to justify the war of terror, in this case its the police state to justify the war for drugs.

nuke-kid:
on the other had you do make a good point. govts and law enforcement often manufacture evidence to tell the story they want to tell. one need look no further than gulf of tonkin, GWB and his mythical WMDs, etc.
el teo could be a big show by govt to appease the masses and boost the tourism industry -- perhaps a plot hatched by hoteliers??

[Edited on 1-14-2010 by mtgoat666]

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-14-2010 at 04:13 PM

"The Defense Rests Your Honor!

k-rico - 1-14-2010 at 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
What good would it do to have 5.8 million in a suitcase?

Gee, I dunno. Lemme think about it.

Strike that........

Lemme DREAM about it.

[Edited on 1-14-2010 by k-rico]

The Death Penalty

Bajahowodd - 1-14-2010 at 04:50 PM

I know I run the risk of taking this thread off on a tangent, but come on! I cannot understand how it is that the United States stands just about alone among the industrialized world in having the death penalty. As for El Teo, and his henchnen, such as El Pozolero, does anyone think that considering the level of perverse horror they have wrought, the death penalty would be anything more than what they would welcome? Personally, I'd like to see El Teo and his buddies have to fear dropping the soap in the shower in a very uncomfortable prison for the next fifty years or so.

BajaNomad - 1-14-2010 at 07:00 PM

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I said, paraphrasing, we have seen no evidence of criminal activity nor evidence that this is a criminal in these recent reports.

The reports (and photos showing what was confiscated) indicate an assault rifle and 9mm pistol were among those things they recovered at the residence (along with the $$$, laptops, multiple cell phones, etc.).

Would possession of those firearms be criminal activity?

Just curious.

Woooosh - 1-14-2010 at 07:47 PM

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no justice system produces evidence for all to see for themselves. you have to trust it will be revealed to defense in discovery period before trial, and you can probably go to court and watch trial if you want to see it for yourself.

I don't think the Mexican judicial system has open trials with procedures you and i would recognize. That is coming in the reforms of 2015 I think.

The Gull - 1-14-2010 at 07:47 PM

MtGoaat666 is starting up the "Free El Teo" campaign.

JESSE - 1-14-2010 at 08:00 PM

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Interesting house...no wall, no fence, no gate. Little unusual in that hood.

There is no evidence presented so far that someone named el teo is responsible for any crime.

That's about the dummest comment i have seen here in a while.

arrowhead - 1-14-2010 at 08:01 PM

Tin Foil Hats

Udo - 1-14-2010 at 08:11 PM

That's your best post, Arrowhead!

toneart - 1-14-2010 at 09:32 PM

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gnukid-

I'm puzzled as to why you pick my post to make an example of. First of all, I am obviously NOT a "smartypants" investigator or a retired police or military. I am just a "smartypants"! You say "you are certainly each welcome to your viewpoint". Are you placing me in any kind of group? The group would laugh at that. You do not have a theory and either do I. You and I are left to conjecture in our own ways. Your post was a departure point for mine, which was supportive. You instigated it and I further enhanced one of your points.

Surely you have seen enough of my serious posts to know that I can string three words together to make a sentence, although brevity is not one of my strong suits.

"Farcical theatrics"? That's what I do. I went to The Academy, OK? You can't stop me because I can't stop. Deal with it! "Bad behavior?" I'm incorrigible.

I have my new tinfoil hat on right now and I am pulling in...uh...oh jeez

....it's Zeitgeist! Go get your hat and join me. This is some serious sh*t! By the way, I know Jack Sh*t! :yes:

bufeo - 1-14-2010 at 11:35 PM

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Originally posted by bajajazz...
Eric Berne, the brilliant psychiatrist who wrote "Games People Play," made the most excellent point ...

Couldn't pass that up jazz. Dr. Berne would be extremely pleased to be quoted on Nomads.

So, would you say this thread is "Ain't It Awful"???

Allen R

Ahhhh, memories of medicine balls on Suicide Beach.

wessongroup - 1-15-2010 at 05:24 AM

Toneart, and I thought you needed some help, silly me.. you can take care of yourself just fine... I did liked the points both raised however, they are valid ... as are the counter "points" and/or discussion which followed.. very interesting take "crime and punishment" ... or "As the Baja Nomads Turn".. thanks to all

WITHOUT COMMENT

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-15-2010 at 07:33 AM

And I USED to like pozole

k-rico - 1-15-2010 at 08:39 AM

"Mexican federal police say Garcia Simental oversaw the work of Santiago Meza Lopez, also known as "El Pozolero".

Pozole is a kind of Mexican stew. Meza Lopez allegedly dissolved bodies in acid. The soupy mix is said to resemble pozole."

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2010/jan/12/arrest-el-teo-gives-hop...

I've already given up TJ tacos de cabeza.

[Edited on 1-15-2010 by k-rico]

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