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LANCE CAB OVER CAMPER

captain4tuna - 1-16-2010 at 05:21 PM

Hello Nomads....We'll be heading to Baja in Feb and are purchasing a camper. We have a F250 short bed Crew cab with a 7ft bed. We've been looking at 8.6 ft and 9.5 ft campers. Any suggestions on modifications? Any experience on making them fit without looking bad?
Gracias

aye, captain

woody with a view - 1-16-2010 at 05:35 PM

my buddy is selling this northstar popup. it has a toilet, indoor/outdoor shower w/ hot water, solar and everything else you'd need. he asks $6k OBO and is in point loma if you want to check it out. it is like new and you will love it, plus it's easier to drive without all the weight up top like a cabover.

;let me know and i'll put you in touch.

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Barry A. - 1-16-2010 at 05:44 PM

Wow----------at 6K that is a steal if it is in good shape.

Barry

rts551 - 1-16-2010 at 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
Wow----------at 6K that is a steal if it is in good shape.

Barry


But a far cry from a Lance Barry

captain4tuna - 1-16-2010 at 06:26 PM

Gracias...We have several cabovers to check out in the next few days but would like to check this pop up. We're in MB.

rts551 - 1-16-2010 at 06:29 PM

The pop-up has advantage. but you can not beat a nice Lance for convenience

captain4tuna - 1-16-2010 at 06:33 PM

Marie and I are definitaly privvy to Lance campers but we are open minded. We plan to do alot of off road exploring.

rts551 - 1-16-2010 at 06:41 PM

We used are Lance for years on roads that people say ... four-wheel small trucks only. The camper and truck were stressed some times. We made sure that things were tied down, and we went slow..... The worst damage was stress to the sides of the camper (stress fractures). Off road is not imossible in a truck and camper. Did the old road from Laguna Chapala to San Felipe including the notorious grade with a 9.5 fleetwood camper.

woody with a view - 1-16-2010 at 06:46 PM

Cap

click the top right U2U link. i'll send you a message in a minute.

captain4tuna - 1-16-2010 at 06:53 PM

Gracias Woody.. Got it. Heading to OC to look at a Lance. We'll check out pop out in the next couple of dias.......

Mine's on the market...

Mexray - 1-16-2010 at 11:31 PM

...but I'd like to 'move' the whole package - it's loaded!

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Hook - 1-17-2010 at 05:17 AM

Definitely go with the 9.5 model over the 8 footer. At least with our older one, we have a shower inside and out and the 9.5 models and longer have the separate gray and black water tanks. Ours is also plumbed so that your inside shower doesnt go into the gray water. It has a bypass valve that is a common retrofit.

Pompano - 1-17-2010 at 06:33 AM

Don't be afraid of length or clearance for lots of great Baja offroading and boondocking.

That extra living space and cargo room will be a luxury you will love.

We've taken our 11.5ft cabover Lance and even a 25ft Minnie Winnie into places a goat wouldn't go. There are very few off-road places in Baja Sur we haven't visited. Get stuck or hung infrequently, unless the assault is planned during a Pacifico session. But that's what winches are for..fun in Baja.

Warning: resale price will drop considerably. ;)

wessongroup - 1-17-2010 at 06:34 AM

Mexray, talk about Cadillac camping, plus it looks pretty too.. man, beats the heck out of how we used to go...
:):):)

k-rico - 1-17-2010 at 06:52 AM

I had a deluxe, heavy, custom built, slide-in Callen cabover once. Great baja campers, all steel frame, no wood. Check them out. They are in El Cajon.

But, way too much weight for my tastes and I didn't like the extra width. I had extendo side mirrors and I actually touched mirrors with an oncoming truck once near La Paz. Plus all the stuff inside and the narrow door precluded me from using my truck for anything else unless I took it off.

I now use a smaller Callen cab-over that is a large shell. It bolts onto the sides of the truck. Minimal stuff inside and the barn doors allow me to use it as a cargo hauler when I want.

Having gone both routes, I prefer to keep it light and versatile.

Callen campers are the best IMHO.

captain4tuna - 1-17-2010 at 08:12 AM

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Originally posted by Mexray
...but I'd like to 'move' the whole package - it's loaded!

[Edited on 1-17-2010 by Mexray]


Hey Mexray, your truck looks like a 250 shortbed, if so how long is your camper and if longer than your bed, did you do any modifications to it to fit the camper?

captain4tuna - 1-17-2010 at 08:18 AM

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Originally posted by Hook
Definitely go with the 9.5 model over the 8 footer. At least with our older one, we have a shower inside and out and the 9.5 models and longer have the separate gray and black water tanks. Ours is also plumbed so that your inside shower doesnt go into the gray water. It has a bypass valve that is a common retrofit.


What make and size was your truck Hook? Did you have to modify anything and if so .....what. Gracias

Thank you all for your info and input. Please keep 'em coming. We're looking a 9.5 today and another tomorrow then possibly driving to Tucson to look at 8ft then checking out pop up Woody's buddy has for sale.

larryC - 1-17-2010 at 08:23 AM

I agree totally, Callen campers are the best. Their reputation suffered some when Jimmy Callen retired and turned the business over to his son Scott, but now Jimmy has come out of retirement and is running the business again so things should get done on schedule. As you can see in my avatar the steel frame really adds alot of strength. The aluminum boat was crumpled alittle but the camper and its rack were just fine.
Larry

monoloco - 1-17-2010 at 10:48 AM

We have a 8.5 Lance and love it but it kills the mileage. Make sure you install torklift frame mounted tie downs if you plan on going off the highway in Baja. Also plan on adding airbags on the rear of your truck.

dtbushpilot - 1-17-2010 at 12:34 PM

We have a short bed Dodge with an 8' Fleetwood camper with the extended cabover. Its nice to have the bed going front to back so that you don't have to crawl over your partner to go pee in the middle of the night. We have a bathroom with shower as well as an outside shower, 2 way frig, AC, microwave, etc. We love it and have taken it many places that you have no business taking a rig like that and it has taken a fearsome beating in the process. It is starting to show its age but everything still works great. Not as heavy as a lance but not as heavy duty either. Hopefully we will get to go to all the "way out there" places before it falls apart, been to most of them, only a few left.



We have installed air bags (must have) an anti sway bar and HD shocks.......dt

[Edited on 1-17-2010 by dtbushpilot]

Barry A. - 1-17-2010 at 02:50 PM

I have a custom CALLEN cab-over camper "shell" also, (28 years old now) on a '94 long-bed 4x4 F-250 Ford. The cab-over portion is only for storage, and is only about 15 inches high. I opted for a back door that is the total width of the camper, for good access. I kept the stock tail-gate for security. It weighs 800lbs empty, which puts a LOT of strain on the pickup sides, especially if a tin-boat on top. I had to significantly beef up all the supports, and steel structures that support the sides-------after they collasped on Baja's dirt roads. I love my Callen (indestructable) but you give up all the niceities for endurance and integrity. Too me it's worth it, and keeps me out of the weather & off the ground. My wife loves it. We do all our kitchen stuff outside anyway, and use sun-showers for bathing. It has survived at least 50 trips to Baja, all on dirt roads, without any repairs to the camper ever necessary.

One TOUGH camper.

Barry

chernefitter - 1-17-2010 at 05:23 PM

I have a ford f150 I put a brand new Lance 8.5ft camper on. The camper was unloaded after 6 months due to some family matters but I still have the frame mounts for the tie downs, and the spring loaded strut type tiedowns. Good price if interested, only used for a SHORT while. My truck is a 06 fx4. Bought new from dealer in Stanton,ca. (Tie downs + camper)

Hook - 1-17-2010 at 06:56 PM

My truck is an F-350, 4wd, single rear wheels. It levels the truck nicely.

What might be somewhat counterintuitive is the fact that cabovers made for short beds often have more options for the same overall length. This is due to the fact that they can fill the space downward where an 8 foot bed would be. If you look at the photo by dtbush above, you can see this. Lance has managed to put a generator into that space in their 9.5 shortbed models.

Capt4tuna....

Mexray - 1-17-2010 at 10:47 PM

....Ours is a 99 F350, V-8 gas, 4x4 single rear wheel, long bed, with a 2000 Lance model 1010 camper...

The truck had a 4 inch lift when we got it, I installed Dynatrac tapered bearing conversion hubs up front with Warn hubs, changed gears to 4.56 ratio and added Detroit Trutrac LS in the rear, Supersprings in the rear for the camper load, Rancho adjustable shocks, Garmin GPS, XMradio, and topped it off with some new 325/65R18 ProComp Xterrains and 9.5 inch wide alum wheels!...this sucker just 'floats' on beach sand!...

Camper's got lots of options, some are:...solar panels, inverter, (3) 130 AH 12 volt Dc batteriers, 3-stage converter/charger, LCD TV, XM radio in truck and camper, matching Sony stereo units in truck and camper, LED light conversions, etc., etc.

I've even built an alum dia plate box that fits in the rear, in one of those 'hitch trays' for additional storage - it functions as a small 'porch' that the folding entry ladder is attach to, worked out cool!

[Edited on 1-18-2010 by Mexray]

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captain4tuna - 1-18-2010 at 08:58 AM

That's a helluva Rig there Mexray....Wow. Thanks.
Muchas Gracias to all you Nomads for your input, photos and suggestions.
Seen a couple yesterday, another today and then heading to Tucson to look at 8ft. Woody, go to U2U.
Keep 'em coming.
Baja Fever, my wife can't sit still.

tripledigitken - 1-18-2010 at 09:43 AM

Budget some suspension upgrades if you do go with the bigger Lance.

We have a 1997 HD F250 4x4 PS, and with the 10' Lance it needed suspension help. I added airbags, rear anti-sway bar and upgraded shocks, and it eliminated all sway and you are able to level the truck no matter what the load.

The Lance is a fine camper and served us well for over 10 years.

captain4tuna - 1-18-2010 at 09:55 AM

Thanks Tripledigitken...Ours is 03 SD F250 PS Shortbed ( 7ft ). Our bed seems to be the problem in trying to fit a 9.5 ft. Is yours a long bed?

tripledigitken - 1-18-2010 at 10:01 AM

Yes ours is a long bed.

captain4tuna - 1-18-2010 at 01:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chernefitter
I have a ford f150 I put a brand new Lance 8.5ft camper on. The camper was unloaded after 6 months due to some family matters but I still have the frame mounts for the tie downs, and the spring loaded strut type tiedowns. Good price if interested, only used for a SHORT while. My truck is a 06 fx4. Bought new from dealer in Stanton,ca. (Tie downs + camper)

Thanks. Will keep it in mind.

mulegemichael - 1-18-2010 at 04:14 PM

capitan....the air bags and anti sway bar will work wonders for you...the difference is unbelievable to the "plus" side...we have an 11' Artic Fox cabover on our 3/4 ton chevy and have been all over the continent in it....check out artic fox...very cool

Hook - 1-18-2010 at 08:34 PM

One other thing about the 8 footers compared to the ones up from that; the 8 footers are also narrower, or at least used to be when I was shopping new and used around 2004.

Bomber - 1-18-2010 at 09:00 PM





Here is a couple pictures of my "Baja" set-up. F350 4x4, 7.3 turbo diesel, 4 door & longbed. Camper is 11'6" Lance, has everything. Kind of like an apt. on wheels. I had overload springs added over airbags, i was told airbags will add stress on the frame over time. I've taken this offroad many times, just slow & easy. Once i get there i off load the camper, takes about 15 mins. with elec jacks. Goes back on just as easy.

oladulce - 1-18-2010 at 10:44 PM

I don't have experience with a camper on a short bed Captain, but I asked my chofer what he thought about our Lance Lite 8.5' camper on a 7' bed and he replied "UH uh, nope I wouldn't". That doesn't necessarily mean you couldn't, but we've had problems with campers over the years due to washboard road travel and he says he wouldn't take the chance having the unsupported area in the back.

We have the Torklift truck- frame mounted tie downs too which are much more secure than the conventional ones which tended to pull apart the corners of the campers especially in rocky conditions with lots of back and forth camper sway.

We got our Lance "Lite" (the name of the 8.5' model) new in 2001 and it has gotten a lot of use. Had it first on our F350 and now it's on a Silverado. I'm sure we'll keep it til it falls apart. It's perfect for the 2 of us. The shower compartment is tiny, but I still think it's decadent to be able to take a hot one so I'm not complaining.

These shots are from a couple of weeks ago to give you the perspective of the camper on an 8' bed. Good luck.




Bob and Susan - 1-19-2010 at 01:12 PM

is someone "praying" or checking tires?:P

Bob H - 1-19-2010 at 01:22 PM

We've had our Lance camper since 2001 and have used it all over Baja. You would not believe the places we've taken our rig. Here we are in Mulege a few years ago. Bob H



Here it is all put together. Camping for free in Catavina behind the hotel.



Here we are looking for Capt Mike in Mulege.


BigWooo - 1-19-2010 at 02:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob and Susan
is someone "praying" or checking tires?:P


Airing the tires back up for the pavement and drive back to the U.S. ... to stuff the trailer with load #2

comitan - 1-19-2010 at 02:36 PM

http://denver.craigslist.org/rvs/1545850500.html

monoloco - 1-19-2010 at 05:48 PM

One thing to keep in mind is that the older Lance campers don't fit newer trucks. I have to put a 3" spacer in the bed of my 2000 F350 so my 98 Lance will clear the cab.

chernefitter - 1-19-2010 at 05:58 PM

Another important thing I remembered after reading other members posts here...Make sure you get the electric jacks!!! My new lance was over 16K with all the bells and whistles but I went cheapo on the jacks, figuring no big deal. WRONG! It took me about an hour to offload the camper by myself, running around like a monkey to each corner....what a pain. Live and learn as they say.:rolleyes:

rts551 - 1-19-2010 at 06:14 PM

16K. Thats a big camper. my extended cab cabover was only 3k

Quote:
Originally posted by chernefitter
Another important thing I remembered after reading other members posts here...Make sure you get the electric jacks!!! My new lance was over 16K with all the bells and whistles but I went cheapo on the jacks, figuring no big deal. WRONG! It took me about an hour to offload the camper by myself, running around like a monkey to each corner....what a pain. Live and learn as they say.:rolleyes:

Bob H - 1-19-2010 at 08:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rts551
16K. Thats a big camper. my extended cab cabover was only 3k

Quote:
Originally posted by chernefitter
Another important thing I remembered after reading other members posts here...Make sure you get the electric jacks!!! My new lance was over 16K with all the bells and whistles but I went cheapo on the jacks, figuring no big deal. WRONG! It took me about an hour to offload the camper by myself, running around like a monkey to each corner....what a pain. Live and learn as they say.:rolleyes:


I've recently looked at the prices for new Lance Campers... a NEW 2010 top of the line Lance will run you over $40,000 today.
Here are some smaller model 2009's for a little less, just to give you an idea these days.

http://www.richardsonsrv.com/Manufacturers/Lance/tabid/512/D...

Bob H


[Edited on 1-20-2010 by Bob H]

Camping Alternative

ElFaro - 1-21-2010 at 07:22 AM

For the type of camping and outdoor activities my wife and I like to do in Baja we chose to go the toy hauler and truck shell route. To me the cab-over camper has alot of limitations. One is the stairway down the back to get in/out the back door. Another is limited water storage. Also its difficult to haul outdoor gear such as kayaks, boats, diving equip., fishing gear without it interfering with the living area. The picture shows our rig. The toyhauler has never had a vehicle inside. We turned the rear area into a small living room by removing one of the bench seats and adding a 2-person sofa from the house. The trailer has a front queen bed...great to get out of the wind and cold. A corner kitchen with large tinted windows. The rear ramp door opens and with the clear plastic drop down zippered door we have a large "window" overlooking the ocean or gulf. The toy hauler has two 50 gallon water tanks and a 4kW generator. It also has a 20 gallon gasoline tank in the back of the trailer to run the gen or to supply fuel for my outboard motor. We carry the kayaks on top of the truck and fishing, diving gear and a 12 foot inflatable rolled up with a 15hp outboard in the truck. We keep all of our "gear" in or on the truck and it never mixes with the living area. This way we can pull over any time and go back into the trailer to relax, eat, clean up, etc. and we are not stumbling over or having to vomit out stuff just to access the trailer living area. When we want to go to a remote area we park the trailer and load up the truck with camping gear to spend a day or two out remote and then come back to our trailer as our base camp. We don't want a 5th wheel because you lose the truck bed and shell for all the outdoor gear we bring.

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monoloco - 1-21-2010 at 08:29 AM

El Faro, How long is that toyhauler?

ElFaro - 1-21-2010 at 07:54 PM

Monoloco...

The toyhauler is a Weekend Warrior (now out of business).

It is a "Superlite" model and is 27 ft. long from rear bumper to coupler.

captain4tuna - 1-27-2010 at 10:03 AM

Aye Matees...We found the perfect Lance for our truck. We're picking it up today.
Muchas Gracias to you all. Will post photo.
:spingrin: