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Hussong's now open... in Vegas ??

BajaNews - 1-23-2010 at 02:09 AM

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/jan/22/counter-intellig...

By Robin Leach
Friday, Jan. 22, 2010

Hussong's Cantina Grand Opening

Hot off the grill! The opening last night of Hussong’s Cantina in Mandalay Place also marked an inspirational milestone. I joined a packed crowd to watch co-owner Scott Frost stand from his wheelchair and walk his first-ever 18 steps to the first bar seat in his new restaurant with fiancee Megan Powell at his side.

Scott was seriously injured last May in an off-road motorcycle accident that paralyzed him from the neck down. Determined to not let this become a permanent setback, he negotiated the leasing, financing and development of Hussong’s -- alongside his partner Jeff Marks -- from his hospital bed and Desert Canyon Rehabilitation, where he spent 70 days. He has remained in physical therapy and is making great progress. While still wheelchair bound, he was determined to walk into his new restaurant at the VIP grand opening without any mechanical assistance.

Scott miraculously achieved that goal with rock ’n’ roll mariachis and proud friends and family lining his path. After accomplishing the major feat, he reminded everyone to focus on the important things in life and thanked everyone for making his dream a reality. With that, the crowd had true reason to celebrate, enjoying Hussong’s Original Margaritas. A landmark in Ensenada, since 1892, the Las Vegas outpost plans to continue the famed history with its nightly parties.

Bajahowodd - 1-23-2010 at 02:27 PM

The only thing to remember is that Scott Frost is a principal of TITAN nightlife of Las Vegas. This group licenses the names of establishments such as Hussong's and Giggling Marlin. I sincerely doubt that the owners of the original places have much, if any say in how these places are run. Hey. Maybe it's authentic looking and feeling. I don't know. But, bottom line is that these places are analogous to celebrity wax figures at Madame Tussauds.

DENNIS - 1-23-2010 at 04:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaNews
Hussong’s Original Margaritas.


I wonder what that's supposed to mean?

TMW - 1-23-2010 at 04:19 PM

I've had what I consider the best and worst margaritas at Hussong's in Ensenada. Been thrown out by an armed guard once. Everyone should visit it at least once, but frankly I always considered it a dump.

Bajahowodd - 1-23-2010 at 04:20 PM

If this is to be believed, nothing special.



http://www.premiersystems.com/recipes/mexican/margarita.html

DanO - 1-23-2010 at 04:21 PM

I went into the bathroom at the Ensenada Hussongs once. Worst mistake I have ever made. Still makes me queasy just thinking about it.

[Edited on 1-23-2010 by DanO]

DENNIS - 1-23-2010 at 04:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DanO
I went into the bathroom at the Ensenada Hussongs once. Worst mistake I have ever made. Still makes me queasy just thinking about it.



Didn't they address that problem a while back? Now they have slats on the floor so you don't step in the pools of urine.
Yep...They be uptown now. :lol:

Bajahowodd - 1-23-2010 at 05:17 PM

A primary reason that I take umbrage over such things as a fake Hussong's in Vegas-

Back in 1980, Harveys Casino Resort in Lake Tahoe was the victim of an extortion explosion. When all the dust settled, an expanded Harveys included a wonderful locally operated Mexican restaurant in the basement of the building just off the underground walkway between Harveys and Harrahs. But after a number of years, the marketing people decided that they needed a magnet for the unwashed, uneducated public. Thence, a Sammy Hagar Cabo Wabo became the replacement restaurant. Hip, but lacking soul. This is exactly what I'm seeing with a Hussong's in Vegas.

DanO - 1-23-2010 at 05:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by DanO
I went into the bathroom at the Ensenada Hussongs once. Worst mistake I have ever made. Still makes me queasy just thinking about it.



Didn't they address that problem a while back? Now they have slats on the floor so you don't step in the pools of urine.
Yep...They be uptown now. :lol:


It wasn't the pools of urine I was worried about. :o

Curt63 - 1-23-2010 at 09:52 PM

For it to be authentic to my memory, it will have to have Federal Police with machine guns.

One night when I was 16 (in the 70's), I got thrown out 3 times by the feds!!!

Bob H - 1-23-2010 at 10:03 PM

Wow, they even have that stuffed Elk head, or whatever it is, on the back wall of the bar. But, nothing can take the place of a great experience at the REAL Hussong's Cantina in Ensenada. I love to go there when the boats are gone and it's full of locals. At least for a couple of Margi's!
Bob H

dean miller - 1-24-2010 at 07:28 AM

My post from 2004...The original Maggies;

DIVING- HUSSONG- COLUMBIA- TREASURE-HISTORY



It no secret to most "vintage" divers that Hussong's was once a divers hang out. In the 1950 & the early 1960s it was a place that was "Muy Tranquillo." The music was Strauss Viennese walzes played by a group of locals in the corner.

:biggrin:***The Maggies were huge, served with a glass and the container they were mixed in (at least to the divers) -a few sips and the Cantina was transformed into another time and another place.
****:biggrin:
Walter Hussong who was Percy's son was a very knowldgeable experienced pioneer diver and a darn good one. It was only narural that divers of the 1950s and early 1960s would check in on the way south to check on conditions or on the way back to the states to report on the diving.

Walter and Bill Hogan who owned the Underwater Sports shop in Long Beach, California, teamed up in 1956 to salvage what silver remained in the Columbia which was in 200 plus feet of water in or near the La Paz harbor. (To place this in perspective self contained (aka SCUBA) diving was only five (5) years old in the US, equipment was rudimentary crude and dangerous use and unheard of in most of Mexico)

They dove it every day for a month returning with nothing but the ships bell which Bill located 50 feet from the wreck. They "did not find the silver" = and "were poverty stricken."

HOWEVER, There is an epilog to this tale..

With in a year of returning Bill managed to purchase two large lots at the base of the Belmont pier in Long Beach and establish a huge dive operation including one of the first training pools. He then divorced his wife, concurrently losing the dive operation in the process to her. Next he established a "Divers Bar" called "Hogans" which he gave away more than he sold, In about 1960-1 (?) he packed up and moved to Costa Rica where he remarried, raised a daughter and lived the life of a gentleman famer for most of the remainder of his years, departing to to the big reef in the sky about thre years ago--But--- He "never found the treasure of the Columbia."

Walter on the other hand was living the good life in Ensenada. He was aways at the bar always avaliable to drop every thing if he recognized you to "talk diving." However, the good life caused his demise-- He opened Hussons on the mainland and was shot by an irrate husband
--but Walter also maintained -- "never found the treasure of the Columbia."

A damned shame

Dave - 1-24-2010 at 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I sincerely doubt that the owners of the original places have much, if any say in how these places are run.


This means health and labor laws will be enforced, accurate sales figures reported and proper taxes paid.

All concepts foreign to Mexican business owners. :rolleyes:

Bajahowodd - 1-24-2010 at 11:59 AM

Sorry. But I don't like fake New York, fake Paris, or fake Hussongs. It's just me.

DENNIS - 1-24-2010 at 12:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Sorry. But I don't like fake New York, fake Paris, or fake Hussongs. It's just me.


How do you feel about Disneyland? :lol:

lizard lips - 1-24-2010 at 12:15 PM

I hope they recreate the exact same bathroom as in Ensenada. It's all part of the Hussongs experience! :smug:

Bajahowodd - 1-24-2010 at 12:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Sorry. But I don't like fake New York, fake Paris, or fake Hussongs. It's just me.


How do you feel about Disneyland? :lol:


Funny you should ask. I live two miles from the place. Except for patronizing a couple of the excellent restaurants at Downtown Disney, which is accessible to all, I haven't been inside the park in probably 20 years.

jeans - 1-24-2010 at 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by TW
Been thrown out by an armed guard once. Everyone should visit it at least once,.


Me, too! Thirty something years ago. A cop took a "weapon" away from my husband (a Wyoming Deputy) and I snatched it out of the cop's hands and put it down the front on my shirt....:O :O My mom almost choked and we all just turned and walked away... it made for a great story all these years...

(The "weapon" was a 5 in. plastic stick called a kuboton)

AcuDoc - 1-24-2010 at 04:08 PM

I first started going to Hussongs when I was a senior in High School ('72) in Laguna Beach ...serious road trips...nothing but the original...

Bajahowodd - 1-24-2010 at 04:14 PM

BTW, Don't know if anyone actually noticed the byline on the original article starting this thread. None other than the "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" guy.

How the mighty have fallen. Shilling for a fake Baja dive bar! :biggrin:

JESSE - 1-24-2010 at 04:15 PM

Whats interesting, is WHO licenced the name to those guys in Vegas. Remember the real Hussong's cantina got ripped off by the owners of grupo anderson (Sr Frogs fame) many years ago. Seems they registered the trademark for themselves, and left the original owners without the option to market their own brand. All the stores you see in Ensenada selling Hussong's merchandise belong to Anderson, not the original owners.

Bajahowodd - 1-24-2010 at 04:27 PM

And, unfortunately, after Carlos Anderson's untimely demise, his company has never been the same. So it may very well be a case of two entities that have no connection to history, just going forward for profit.

Jesse. That's Very Interesting

Gypsy Jan - 1-24-2010 at 04:30 PM

I didn't know that background info.

Years ago, Nancy Conroy told me about a boozy night she spent at the bar of Hussong's with a member of the family (name unknown/unremembered).

She was obviously impressed and in the midst of a serious crush. Anyway, she said that he had BIG plans for real estate development in Ensenada and for licensing the name (building the brand) in the U.S.

About five years ago, someone associated with the name Hussong started a real estate development in the Ensenada marina - I read a few press releases that promised the building of million-dollar-plus homes and docking for mega yachts.

I guess that this was just another Baja pipe dream of gold flowing like the oil in the OPEC pipes from the pockets of gringos to the Mexicans.

Bajahowodd - 1-24-2010 at 04:45 PM

I saw this article in today's LA Times and thought that Jesse, in particular, would get a kick out of it. Basically, in a kinder, gentler time, Mexican food, as well as Mexican culture was introduced to the US. How I long for those days. Despite the fact that the author still considers Taco Ball food to be garbage, he obviously acknowledges the important role this gringo played in assimilating the culture.



http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-arellan...

Sorry that the entire link didn't come across. But I'm too lazy to fix it. All ya gotta do is cut and paste it into your browser.

[Edited on 1-24-2010 by Bajahowodd]

[Edited on 1-25-2010 by BajaNomad]

JESSE - 1-24-2010 at 04:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I saw this article in today's LA Times and thought that Jesse, in particular, would get a kick out of it. Basically, in a kinder, gentler time, Mexican food, as well as Mexican culture was introduced to the US. How I long for those days. Despite the fact that the author still considers Taco Ball food to be garbage, he obviously acknowledges the important role this gringo played in assimilating the culture.



http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-arellan...

Sorry that the entire link didn't come across. But I'm too lazy to fix it. All ya gotta do is cut and paste it into your browser.

[Edited on 1-24-2010 by Bajahowodd]


I agree with his opinion, except this quote:

"I didn't invent the taco," he remarked, "but I believe I improved it."

Anybody that has been to Yaqui, or el Frances knows thats light years away from true.

:biggrin:

Bajahowodd - 1-24-2010 at 04:59 PM

I believe that the overriding intent of the article was to praise that gringo Glen Bell, with having been a catalyst in mixing the Mexican and US culture.

I Am Familiar With Tacos el Yaqui

Gypsy Jan - 1-24-2010 at 05:43 PM

Where is El Frances?

[Edited on 1-25-2010 by Gypsy Jan]

DENNIS - 1-24-2010 at 05:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I believe that the overriding intent of the article was to praise that gringo Glen Bell, with having been a catalyst in mixing the Mexican and US culture.


Oh efffing please. The guy was Tex-Mex. That was his ridiculous flavor and it's a taste all it's own. Any card carrying Mexican will tell you this.
Total garbage. Not Mexican. Something else.

woody with a view - 1-24-2010 at 06:52 PM

anyone ever had a good Mexican crunchy taco? didn't think so. each is good in its own right......

JESSE - 1-24-2010 at 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by woody in ob
anyone ever had a good Mexican crunchy taco? didn't think so. each is good in its own right......


I have had many, Taco bell is not even close.

desertcpl - 1-24-2010 at 07:25 PM

rough crowd

well any way,, some times me and the wife like Taco Bell,, he must have done something right,, hell he is very big here in the states,
and we also know the diff,, growing up in Socal,, and living and traveling in baja for years,, and no Taco Bell does not taste as good Tacos from baja, here in yuma we have many taco stands from baja,, cant go wrong

[Edited on 1-25-2010 by desertcpl]

[Edited on 1-25-2010 by desertcpl]

Ahem, Just a Mild Observation

Gypsy Jan - 1-24-2010 at 07:42 PM

On cultural assimilation, not on interpersonal aggression issues.

Back to the discussion about Taco Bell. When I was a young tulip, a basketball player walked me home after the game. He was very tall and very black in a 99% white community. He asked me if I would like to stop at Taco Bell. I had no knowledge at all about anything to do with Mexican food and I was very unwilling to try this strange stuff. We stopped, we ate. It was probably not good food, most certainly inauthentic, but what I remember is that a very nice person who was very different from me introduced me to a food experience that was also very much outside of my experience and my comfort zone, at that time.

JESSE - 1-24-2010 at 07:53 PM

While i think Taco Bell tacos are horrible, Taco Bell style tacos from other places are not as bad to me. For example, every now and then while i am up in the US i do indulge in some Jack & The Box tacos:


Oh Jesse!

Gypsy Jan - 1-24-2010 at 07:59 PM

I confessed to eating Taco Bell tacos, but you admit that you crave Jack-in-Box Tacos?

No soup for you!

JESSE - 1-24-2010 at 08:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
I confessed to eating Taco Bell tacos, but you admit that you crave Jack-in-Box Tacos?

No soup for you!


I don't know what it is, but many Mexicans that consider Taco Bell trash, seem to like the Jack version. Go figure.

Gypsy Jan - 1-24-2010 at 08:06 PM

:P :o :spingrin:

Curt63 - 1-24-2010 at 08:09 PM

Pop quiz Jesse

What's in those Jack tacos? Chicken? Beef? or ????

JESSE - 1-24-2010 at 08:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Curt63
Pop quiz Jesse

What's in those Jack tacos? Chicken? Beef? or ????


My guess is all of the above, and then some.

Curt63 - 1-24-2010 at 08:22 PM

I spent 3 years as a Restaurant Manager in the Research and Deveopment Division. I love those tacos and I even like Taco Bell tacos. I ran restaurants for them as well (the Encinitas store that was closest to founder Glen Bell's house in Rancho Santa Fe).

Anyhoo, Jack tacos primary ingredient is TVP.

JESSE - 1-24-2010 at 08:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Curt63
Anyhoo, Jack tacos primary ingredient is TVP.


Really? pretty good for a non meat Taco.

Curt63 - 1-24-2010 at 08:35 PM

Yep, Textured Vegetable Protein (soy beans all spiced up and deep fried).

They tried to remove them from the menu cause they couldnt keep up with demand and weren't willing to contract the manufacturing out to someone else.

The customers screamed like hell so they brought em back and contracted them out.

I love em, but I had shrimp tacos at Tacos German yesterday....way better!!!

desertcpl - 1-24-2010 at 09:10 PM

ha ha
and the truth comes out,, we also some times like Jack Tacos
and here in Yuma as most any bodys know the population is mostly Mexicans,,, when we go into Taco Bell or Jack in the Box , it is mostly Mexicans

BajaNomad - 1-24-2010 at 10:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Curt63
What's in those Jack tacos? Chicken? Beef? or ????


The "official" list, per:
http://www.jackinthebox.com/pdf/Ingredients.pdf

Beef, Water, Textured Vegetable Protein (Soy Flour, Caramel Color), Defatted Soy Grits, Seasoning (Chili Pepper, Maltodextrin, Spices, Wheat Flour, Salt, Dry Garlic, Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Corn and Wheat Gluten, Monosodium Glutamate, Dry Onion, Disodium Inosinate, Disodium Guanylate, Succinic Acid), Salt, Tomato Paste, Worcestershire Sauce (Distilled Vinegar, Molasses, Corn Syrup, Water, Salt, Caramel Color, Garlic Powder, Sugar, Spices, Tamarind, Natural Flavor, Sulfiting Agent). Tortillas Ingredients: Ground Corn, Water, Lime.

DENNIS - 1-25-2010 at 09:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaNomad
Beef, Water, Textured Vegetable Protein (Soy Flour, Caramel Color), Defatted Soy Grits, Seasoning (Chili Pepper, Maltodextrin, Spices, Wheat Flour, Salt, Dry Garlic, Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Corn and Wheat Gluten, Monosodium Glutamate, Dry Onion, Disodium Inosinate, Disodium Guanylate, Succinic Acid), Salt, Tomato Paste, Worcestershire Sauce (Distilled Vinegar, Molasses, Corn Syrup, Water, Salt, Caramel Color, Garlic Powder, Sugar, Spices, Tamarind, Natural Flavor, Sulfiting Agent). Tortillas Ingredients: Ground Corn, Water, Lime.


YUMMY. I've often wondered why I've enjoyed them so much. Now I know.
They put in more Chili Pepper at the JITB in San Ysidro than in Chula Vista. Catering to the tastes of the neighborhood, I suppose.

Nostalgia

Bajahowodd - 1-25-2010 at 11:57 AM

As was noted in the Glen Bell article, he started selling tacos before there was a great deal of cross-border mingling. The talk about Jack-In-The-Box reminds me. Although they are currently mostly based in the Southwest, there was a time, perhaps a couple of bankruptcies and ownerships ago, when Jack was a national chain. I was in high school in the 60's, living on Long Island (NY), when I encountered my first "Mexican" food. It was a Jack-In-The-Box taco. The product was somewhat different then, in that the finished product was deep fried sealed-up and very greasy. But the filling was just about the same, lacking lettuce and cheese. In those days, there was absolutely no access to Mexican food outside of the Southwest. To think that a Jack-In-The-Box taco was the signature Mexican food for millions of people!

:biggrin:

[Edited on 1-26-2010 by Bajahowodd]

Curt63 - 1-25-2010 at 02:14 PM

The mob ran Jack in the Box off the east coast. The company wouldn't pay the protection (plate glass window insurance), so they left.

Martyman - 1-25-2010 at 05:02 PM

Back to Hussongs...Who own's it now?
The polaroid camera guy or the blind accordion player?
I love Hussongs. Didn't they invent the margarita?

DENNIS - 1-25-2010 at 06:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Martyman
I love Hussongs. Didn't they invent the margarita?


They make that claim but, so do others. Who knows?

Dewey - 2-7-2010 at 01:19 AM

My picture from a visit in the late 60's is still on the wall. Saw it in late January 2010. Not much has changed except Ensenada was dead.

torch - 2-7-2010 at 07:37 AM

wow, kind of like selling fake rolex, ray bans etc.. but the countries are reversed

torch - 2-7-2010 at 07:42 AM

I'd love to see someone go to vegas first then to ensenada . priceless

dean miller - 2-7-2010 at 07:54 AM

Martyman;

1950s Hussongs & maggies

Part of my earlier post on this thread;

My post from 2004...The original Maggies;

DIVING- HUSSONG- COLUMBIA- TREASURE-HISTORY



It no secret to most "vintage" divers that Hussong's was once a divers hang out. In the 1950 & the early 1960s it was a place that was "Muy Tranquillo." The music was Strauss Viennese walzes played by a group of locals in the corner.

***The Maggies were huge, served with a glass and the container they were mixed in (at least to the divers) -a few sips and the Cantina was transformed into another time and another place.
****
Walter Hussong who was Percy's son was a very knowldgeable experienced pioneer diver and a darn good one. It was only narural that divers of the 1950s and early 1960s would check in on the way south to check on conditions or on the way back to the states to report on the diving.

Walter and Bill Hogan who owned the Underwater Sports shop in Long Beach, California, teamed up in 1956 to salvage what silver remained in the Columbia which was in 200 plus feet of water in or near the La Paz harbor. (To place this in perspective self contained (aka SCUBA) diving was only five (5) years old in the US, equipment was rudimentary crude and dangerous use and unheard of in most of Mexico)

They dove it every day for a month returning with nothing but the ships bell which Bill located 50 feet from the wreck. They "did not find the silver" = and "were poverty stricken."

The Gull - 2-7-2010 at 08:17 AM

When in my teens, my buddies and I would sit in the evenings on the sidewalk across the street from Hussong's passing a Tequila bottle, watching the old paddy wagon pull up to Hussong's every hour and clean out a few customers.:cool::cool:

We didn't have X-Box in the 60's.:tumble: