BajaNomad - Why I do Not travel to Baja Anymore

Why I do Not travel to Baja Anymore

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Lobsterman - 1-29-2010 at 06:02 AM

Baja Judy,

It's been over two years now since I traveled south of the Border. The reason is solely SAFETY. I do not want to travel the gaunlet of thieves, murders and worst. I first camped on the beach in baja in 1965 in the Puerto Penasco area and most years since. I was part of a camping boys group starting about 15 years ago that traveled there 1-2 times a year for extended camping trips mainly to Mulege and LA bay areas. We brought little food so we spent a lot of $ going down and back. The whole group does not go down any more for the same reason as I. SAFETY.

Two years ago I started going to another foreign country, LA (Lower Alabama). There you can carry a consealed weapon with an easy to obtain permit with a clean background check. My counsin has no less than three guns in his car at any time. Needless to say carjacking, kidnapping, drill bits drilled into your brain, fingers cutoff and mailed to your loveones, desolved in acid, etc. just does not happen there. You can defend yourself from anyone who wants to try.

By the way fishing is fantastic both in the Bay and outside in the Gulf, homes are less than $100k by the beach/Bay, rent a 3brm 2 bath home on the beach for less than $500. If baja did not deteriorate so much I would have never looked elsewhere. I'm 63 and retire in less than a year. Mulege was where I had planned on retiring for over 20 years. Now it's Gulf Shores, Mobile Bay area.

I read this site everyday still because I love the baja experience, its beauty, the sea and the wonderful and caring people. I am also looking for a sign that things are changing back to the way I remember it best. The recent capture to El Teo seems to have quieted things down a bit, so that's a start.

Mexico get your act together or stop whinning about people like me not heading south. It's your country so clean it up!

Dennis

oxxo - 1-29-2010 at 07:24 AM

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Originally posted by Lobsterman
It's been over two years now since I traveled south of the Border. The reason is solely SAFETY.

I dunno, we travel the length of Baja by auto from California border to Cabo at leat once a year, sometimes more. Just two geriatric old people. We never feel unsafe. In fact local Mexicans rescue us when we have occassional car trouble along the way. Maybe we should worry more.

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Two years ago I started going to another foreign country, LA (Lower Alabama). There you can carry a consealed weapon with an easy to obtain permit with a clean background check. My counsin has no less than three guns in his car at any time.

That's the reason I didn't choose Alabama for my retirement.

I'm happy you found your paradise location. Fortunately, there is enough of a variety in this world that everyone should be able to find their "best" spot.

[Edited on 1-29-2010 by oxxo]

monoloco - 1-29-2010 at 07:34 AM

Last time I looked Puerto Penasco wasn't in Baja.

mulegemichael - 1-29-2010 at 07:35 AM

yeah, lemme retire to a place where everyone is packing heat...no, i'll stay here in mulege where the weather is warm and i don't have to worry about someone pulling a sawed off shotgun on me...

baja Steve - 1-29-2010 at 07:40 AM

Dennis
Glad to hear you have found your spot. Your are right Baja is not for everyone and thing are always changing down here. I have learned to live my life in the present and not the past. As for me I travel Baja sur 3+ months each year doing volunteer work with the Mexican people in both cites and the remote areas. I was just thinking how many times I locked my truck at night this year and I can only think of 7 or 8 times and that was when I took a break and was staying in Cabo, so my view of Baja is very different, I love Baja and the people. I am also 63 started coming to Baja in 1968 and do not pay any attention to what the papers print in the states or I would not even go downtown Portland Oregon or any other US city..

wessongroup - 1-29-2010 at 07:53 AM

I'm still with BajaGrino.. watch out coming through Tijuana, roof top snipers, will get you with a head shot.. the large purple sore on my back keeps getting bigger everyday.. every time I eat tamales and burritos from the tamale lady, I hurl and I'm sick until she shows up the next saturday.. people are really rude to me, they pull my cane out from under me so I fall down, they won't help me though doors, they always are giving me bad looks, they yell at me "Gringo Go Home", they won't help me load water into the trunk of my car, or propane.. I don't have it delivered as I'm afraid they will overwhelm me and my wife, kill my dogs for food and take my wife as a sex slave..

It's just awful down it the Baja, I would go back to the States, but I'm not sure I can afford to live there anymore because I can't pay my fair share of the taxes which will be coming due very soon under the just "sterling" leadership of our elected officials and Titian's of finance

Yes would like to be able to live in that area, as you know your government will rush to your aide in the event of a natural catastrophe, and folks are very understanding and tolerant too.. :biggrin:

ElFaro - 1-29-2010 at 08:57 AM

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Originally posted by Lobsterman
I read this site everyday still because I love the baja experience, its beauty, the sea and the wonderful and caring people. I am also looking for a sign that things are changing back to the way I remember it best. The recent capture to El Teo seems to have quieted things down a bit, so that's a start.

Mexico get your act together or stop whinning about people like me not heading south. It's your country so clean it up!

Dennis

I read this site most days and for the past 5 years I haven't seen much that would indicate to me we tourists are being threatened much. Most of the killings are between the drug people and bad cops confined to the border cities...something that has been going on for the last 30+ years and will continue.

oxxo - 1-29-2010 at 08:59 AM

Lobsterman inspired me to do some research on the Internet. According to the current FBI statistics, Alabama is number 18 out of 50 for gun violence in the US. Louisiana has the dubious honor of being number one, while Vermont and Hawaii have the least gun violence per capita. So gun availability is really a wild card when it comes to violence.

Based on the statistics, I feel much safer in Baja than I would in Alabama, and yes, I have been there......briefly. Felt intimidated by all the guns around. I'm sure Alabama is perfect for Lobsterman, and I am happy for him, it is just not my cup of tea. I believe that I have found paradise on earth in my Baja retirement spot.

David K - 1-29-2010 at 09:13 AM

While we did decide to do more American vacations in 2007 and 2008 as a sort-of boycott, we still go to Baja 4-6 trips per year and have NEVER had an incident, nor ever needed to use our guns to defend ourselves.

Bad news sells... good news goes on page 13!

Obviously you should go where you can enjoy yourself... and if you are affraid, you won't be enjoying yourself!

I started traveling to Baja by four wheel drive in 1965 with parents and in 1974 without, when I was just 16, in my dune buggy and another high school friend.

The place is magic and very special to me... I need Baja... If Baja kills me, then I will go being where I am the happiest!

[Edited on 1-30-2010 by David K]

k-rico - 1-29-2010 at 09:13 AM

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Originally posted by ElFaro

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Yup, except the border violence has spiked in the past few years due to the destabilization of the balance of power between the cartels because of Calderon's drug war. And since it has become very difficult to make meth in the US because of tighter controls of the precursor chemicals, Mexican labs have been set up to fill the need. That has caused much more meth to be available in Mexico and an increase in the insanity caused by the drug. Hopefully, with time, the violence will be reduced to a slow simmer instead of a rapid boil. Perhaps starting 2013 with the new prez. That's my wishful thinking at least.

Barry A. - 1-29-2010 at 09:21 AM

OK, OK, you guys can (and will) say what you want, but I think that Lobsterman has a point, and I KNOW that many agree somewhat with him, including me. Why must people take pot-shots at him just for putting forth an opinion----------it is only an opinion----------and he may be just "testing the waters" here and seeing what kind of responses he gets--------?!?!?!?!

I dunno, I can never figure out why people get so upset with somebody elses opinion-----------but they do, and I am sure I do the same without reallizing it.

Pretty funny.

I do completely agree that Mexico and her people have to do a better job of getting their act together---------and until they do (ever???) I too will stay away and enjoy the country closer to home.

-------but I still love Baja, and miss her.

Barry

Martyman - 1-29-2010 at 10:03 AM

Are there lobsters in Alabama Lobsterman?

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-29-2010 at 10:48 AM

Lobsterman is entitled to his opinion. I think what he said is the perception many people have of Mexico. It’s not necessarily wrong. I am concerned for my safety while in Mexico but I will not let that keep me from going. My mindset is that if I go to Mexico and I am ever confronted with violence I am going down with a fight. Like I said elsewhere. One or both of us will not be going home after the confrontation.

PS: Don’t they have those things that look like little lobsters called Crayfish or Crawdads in Alabama?

bajabass - 1-29-2010 at 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
Lobsterman is entitled to his opinion. I think what he said is the perception many people have of Mexico. It’s not necessarily wrong. I am concerned for my safety while in Mexico but I will not let that keep me from going. My mindset is that if I go to Mexico and I am ever confronted with violence I am going down with a fight. Like I said elsewhere. One or both of us will not be going home after the confrontation.

PS: Don’t they have those things that look like little lobsters called Crayfish or Crawdads in Alabama?

I am glad Lobsterman found his Nirvana. Even happier I have found mine, just a little further southwest

wessongroup - 1-29-2010 at 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Barry A.
OK, OK, you guys can (and will) say what you want, but I think that Lobsterman has a point, and I KNOW that many agree somewhat with him, including me. Why must people take pot-shots at him just for putting forth an opinion----------it is only an opinion----------and he may be just "testing the waters" here and seeing what kind of responses he gets--------?!?!?!?!

I dunno, I can never figure out why people get so upset with somebody elses opinion-----------but they do, and I am sure I do the same without reallizing it.

Pretty funny.

I do completely agree that Mexico and her people have to do a better job of getting their act together---------and until they do (ever???) I too will stay away and enjoy the country closer to home.

-------but I still love Baja, and miss her.

Barry

Upset? Shoot the messenger?, don't think so, some of us were just trying to satirize an issue, which needs it .... Much over done on the dangers down here, it's always been this way..

In the sixties you were treading on thin ice if you came down with long hair and a VW bus with "tie-dyed curtains".. Not too much different.. Then coming down in a Lexus with diamonds, gold jewelry, iPhones, cell phones and Laptops.... to me.. your gona stick out and draw heat..

I've had folks try and pull me out of my car on Avalon and 106th in Los Angles.. Have had folks throw rocks at me in Delano, got shot at once outside a bar in El Centro.. Fella pulled a knife on me in a bar in Fresno, Hey.. SH*T happens..

Up North I live in a City, which at times has been called the safest city in the United States.. Mission Viejo, CA

You can't walk down the street at night with out the police asking what are you doing walking around here and "let's see some ID" if your not in jogging shorts or walking the dogs .. It’s a trade off.. With increased freedom, there comes increased personal responsibility to watch your a**.. A lot of folks aren't comfortable with that.. Or have not had to deal with living in situations were it is required to keep safe, where if you don’t.... well you’re going to be in deep sh*t real fast...

I don't have a big problem with it.. We both carry protection and don't go places that gives the other guy a chance to put a "number" on us.. If those are the rules, then those are the rules.. Here in Mexico... By the way what's percentage of folks in AL that are Hispanic and how are THEY treated down there.. "The remaining 10 states that experienced the largest percentage change in their foreign-born Hispanic populations include: Alabama (686 percent)," and those are for the decade 1990-2000... can't seem to find a recent number which is being reported...

You might want to come back to the Baja, as it would appear they are all moving to AL

:lol:

I wanna go back to Dixie

Skipjack Joe - 1-29-2010 at 12:11 PM

I wanna go back to Dixie,
Take me back to dear ol' Dixie,
That's the only li'l ol' place for li'l ol' me.
Ol' times there are not forgotten,
Whuppin' slaves and pickin' cotton,
And waitin' for the Robert E. Lee.
(It was never there on time.)
I'll go back to the Swanee,
Where pellagra makes you scrawny,
And the jasmine and the tear gas smell just fine
I really am a-fixin'
To go home and start a-mixin'
Down below that Mason-Dixon line.

Oh, poll tax, how I love ya, how I love ya,
My dear old poll tax.

Won'tcha come with me to Alabammy,
Back to the arms of my dear ol' Mammy,
Her cookin's lousy and her hands are clammy,
But what the hell, it's home.
Yes, for paradise the Southland is my nominee.
Jes' give me a ham hock and a grit of hominy.

I wanna go back to Dixie
I wanna be a dixie pixie
And eat cornpone 'til it's comin' outta my ears
I wanna talk with Southern gentlemen
And put my white sheet on again,
I ain't seen one good lynchin' in years.
The land of the boll weevil,
Where the laws are medieval,
Is callin' me to come and nevermore roam.
I wanna go back to the Southland,
That "y'all" and "shet-ma-mouth" land,

Be it ever so decadent,
There's no place like home.

easy-rider-redneck.jpg - 49kB

wessongroup - 1-29-2010 at 12:33 PM

soulpatch, please bring Me up to speed on what the heck is going on in Lakeside.. Aryan Hate Machine? Cavicide"? DNA on the innocent?

Yeah, I know I can google, but, would rather have your first hand report.. thanks

Way to remove from reality to have any idea what your talking about.. I have some idea, but think you could give a far better factual account

Wiley

The Aryan Hate Machine

Bajahowodd - 1-29-2010 at 12:37 PM

Take away the cartel violence from Mexico, and there would still be crime. But the fact is that Mexico, in the past decade or two has vastly improved their educational system and produced an immense number of middle class manufacturing jobs.

During this same period, US education has continually crumbled and middle class manufacturing jobs have been disappearing.

Something to fear is that there is an ever increasing angry backlash building among white Americans, as they gradually lose their majority status in the population.

Anyone see any symbolism in that the Republicans had some plain vanilla guy who had been Governor of Virginia for 11 days, give their rebuttal to the State of the Union speech? And it was delivered from the State House once presided over by Jeffferson Davis!

Carrying three guns in your car is surely the answer.

k-rico - 1-29-2010 at 12:52 PM

Skipjack Joe!!! :spingrin:

Sharksbaja - 1-29-2010 at 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by David K
we still go to Baja 4-6 trips per year and have NEVER had an incident, nor ever needed to use our guns to defend ourselves.

Yikes! David carries guns to Mex! :lol:

Cuidadoso!

Alabama? Yikes!

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-29-2010 at 01:17 PM

What? You mean you can't carry firearms in Mexico. Ooooops!

sancho - 1-29-2010 at 01:17 PM

I love this one upsmanship stuff, some of you have
been going to Baja so long, surprized you don't claim
to have built the Mission in Loreto, for me,
68' surfing San Miguel, it's simple, if one is
fearfull ,justified or not, don't go to Mex,
listen to your little voice, the #1 incident
around the world involving tourists by far
is driving, auto accidents, and I would bet
ANYONE on this board, if a negative incident
of 'major importance 'in Mex would happen to them, they
run back to the US, vowing never to return

JESSE - 1-29-2010 at 01:37 PM

Baja is as safe as it gets, if you can't handle the very low crime rate here, then your might as well stay home and never go out again. Crime has increased in the Tijuana-Ensenada corridor, but the situation almost everywhere else, is pretty safe. Its all about perception, and the situation, honestly, hasnt changed in 8 years. I drive the peninsula all the time, and besides the obvious tense borders are, things are pretty much the same.

wessongroup - 1-29-2010 at 02:16 PM

Frank, I knew you could do it.. I'm still laughing.. The one for the sidewalks shows how old I am.. Used to just use water..

I really didn't know it was that bad in San Diego, really.. But, I don't get out very much anymore.. As a matter of fact the last time I was out that way was at least 10 years ago.. like I said, I don't get out much anymore.. think there is a song with those words.. Ink Spots.. maybe..

But, thanks for a little insight on the area(s).. really sad to hear.. San Diego has/was/could/should be a nice place to live.. always liked the County went working in it... guess it just got big like everything else..

In the early 70's used to work in Agriculture in San Diego County, the State in conjunction with the Board of Supervisors set up a "Green Belt" which was supposed to stop the loss of "Ag" to housing development.. I came back down on a special project in about 1983-4 and could not believe what had happened.. still can't .. also when we went over to Otay.. to finish off our SENTRI passes.. I could not believe the place.. all around Brown field used to be celery, lettuce and many other crops, head quarters for the operations used to be up in the old Spanish Place at the base of the hills and there were a number of "crop dusters" that flew off the old field too..

It's something when you get old..

Well I see your a short timer by your jump date.. good luck.. but, it only gives you a couple of months till the end "by the Mayan Calender"

Stay safe, sound like a whole lot of fun in the zoo, and remember not to feed the animals..

irenemm - 1-29-2010 at 02:52 PM

I drive back and forth by myself or with just my granddaughters. I still feel safer here than anywhere in California. I grew up in Los Angeles. I would not go to many area. Every little punk over there has a gun or a knife but not every little punk here does. the ones that have the guns are are the good guys and the bad guys. not everyone. If you feel unsafe stay home and watch the news. I know my family has not been here for 2 years. Their lost not mine. In LA you get shot for wearing the wrong color. I fear for my grand childen that live in Ca. everyday. I do not fear for the ones that live here. I do not do things like I use to just becasue Baja has lots of people now. I would leave The Posada Don Diego at 2 am and drive up to San Diego by myself and never though about it. I don't anymore because to many people I don't now. Back in the day you pretty much knew everyone on the hwy. it was safer. Baja is still pretty safe. Safer than California.

Cypress - 1-29-2010 at 03:27 PM

Been to Baja a time or two, a great place to visit. :yes:

Woooosh - 1-29-2010 at 05:02 PM

I don't question people's gut feelings about safety. We all have differing comfort levels about almost everything in life. When guests are here I lock the gates behind them. Being responsible for the safety of my family and visitors is a burden at times, but I accept it and take it seriously. The wife rolls her eyes when I have to unlock gates to let people in/out, but I don't apologize for being very careful. As the man of the house (unless the mother-in-law is here) it is my responsibility to ensure their safety. I don't want anything bad to happen on my watch.

For me having family down here makes it a different experience than a person on a vacation or road trip would have. You either love and embrace the current Baja and it's residents or you don't. I prefer to stay and affect change here- through my family. little by little Mexico will strengthen and improve. My family just wishes the progress would be a tad faster- that's all.

BajaGringo - 1-29-2010 at 05:11 PM

Great post Woooosh...

An Ounce of Precaution

Gypsy Jan - 1-29-2010 at 05:25 PM

Is worth more than pounds of remorse.

I really do not understand people who get all up and outraged about simple personal safety precautions and who natter on about the "right" to leave doors, vehicles, etc., unlocked.

Most of the world and Mexico in particular right now is a great deal poorer than those of us who are gifted with the advantages of living/working in a first world country with all of its excessive material possessions that are taken for granted.

If you travel at all, the middle and upper class communities all over the world use metal shutters, iron bars, guards, dogs and sophisticated electronic security systems to protect their properties - it is an accepted fact of life.

[Edited on 1-30-2010 by Gypsy Jan]

bajabass - 1-29-2010 at 05:43 PM

Sad but true. :no:

The old saying "locks only keep honest people honest" is no longer true. A big lock and a dog are best!

I Prefer Dogs

Gypsy Jan - 1-29-2010 at 05:46 PM

The alarm system doesn't keep my feet warm at night or kiss me in the morning.

Paladin - 1-29-2010 at 06:42 PM

Lobster Guy is full of it.

2 guns are plenty

BajaGringo - 1-29-2010 at 07:01 PM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
Besides, it's honesty that keeps honest people honest. Verdad?

Nope - in Alabama it's having more loaded guns than the rest of your neighbors do...

wessongroup - 1-29-2010 at 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Take away the cartel violence from Mexico, and there would still be crime. But the fact is that Mexico, in the past decade or two has vastly improved their educational system and produced an immense number of middle class manufacturing jobs.

During this same period, US education has continually crumbled and middle class manufacturing jobs have been disappearing.

Something to fear is that there is an ever increasing angry backlash building among white Americans, as they gradually lose their majority status in the population.

Anyone see any symbolism in that the Republicans had some plain vanilla guy who had been Governor of Virginia for 11 days, give their rebuttal to the State of the Union speech? And it was delivered from the State House once presided over by Jeffferson Davis!

Carrying three guns in your car is surely the answer.

A very salient point, which is not stated by many, with out an attack on the person making a rather valid observation .. thanks

arrowhead - 1-30-2010 at 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
Nope - in Alabama it's having more loaded guns than the rest of your neighbors do...

Well, they must be doing something right.

Murders in Alabama in 2008 = 353
Population of Alabama = 4,661,900

Murders in Tijuana in 2008 = 886
Population of Tijuana = 1,600,000

The murder rate is 7 times higher in TJ. Maybe they should all get more guns?

BajaGringo - 1-30-2010 at 11:09 AM

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Originally posted by arrowhead
The murder rate is 7 times higher in TJ. Maybe they should all get more guns?

If this is what my neighbors would look like, I'd prefer to take my chances in TJ...

:lol:

[Edited on 1-30-2010 by BajaGringo]

Cypress - 1-30-2010 at 11:30 AM

Bajahowodd, Jefferson Davis? Didn't he die about a hundred years ago? At least the Repubs. didn't trot out a product of affirmative action for their rebuttal. What's wrong with the State of Virginia?

arrowhead - 1-30-2010 at 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
If this is what my neighbors would look like, I'd prefer to take my chances in TJ...

Yeah, but this is what your TJ neighbors really look like..

< image removed >

If this is what my neighbors would look like, I'd prefer to take my chances in El Norte

[Edited on 1-30-2010 by arrowhead]

[Edited on 1-30-2010 by BajaNomad]

Woooosh - 1-30-2010 at 12:06 PM

They shouldn't have opened the plastic bags on the dance floor. Someone might slip and fall and hurt themselves.

I doubt that pic will stay up long...

Packoderm - 1-30-2010 at 12:19 PM

It's funny how much scarier decapitated heads are compared to old fashioned corpses even though the ultimate result is the same. Perhaps Jim Crow would still be with us if they did more than those wimpy little lynchings.

BajaGringo - 1-30-2010 at 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by arrowhead

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaGringo
If this is what my neighbors would look like, I'd prefer to take my chances in TJ...

Yeah, but this is what your TJ neighbors really look like..

[img]INSERT GROSS TASTELESS PHOTO[/img]

If this is what my neighbors would look like, I'd prefer to take my chances in El Norte

Based on that tasteless post, I'll settle for just not having to have you as a neighbor...

[Edited on 1-30-2010 by BajaGringo]

Packoderm - 1-30-2010 at 12:48 PM

What happened to the photo of the cut off heads? It is a reality of life in Baja. Why censor it out? We need to confront the cartels' message head on (excuse the pun) instead of running from it.

Bajahowodd - 1-30-2010 at 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Bajahowodd, Jefferson Davis? Didn't he die about a hundred years ago? At least the Repubs. didn't trot out a product of affirmative action for their rebuttal. What's wrong with the State of Virginia?

Nothing in particular wrong with Virginia today. I cited it in my post as Richmond was the Capital of the Confederacy.

[Edited on 1-30-2010 by Bajahowodd]

HERE'S WHY I STOPPED GOING TO BAJA!

Ken Cooke - 1-30-2010 at 04:25 PM

Once my wife's Green Card is issued, we're gonna be in Baja as much as possible. Until then, we're either here in the USA, or possibly in Puerto Rico for vacations.

Ken Cooke, It is a Joy

Gypsy Jan - 1-30-2010 at 06:39 PM

To read about and see the good things that are happening to you.

May you and yours find many years of fulfillment in life wherever you decide to go. If it is Baja, then Baja will be all the better for your presence.

Curt63 - 1-30-2010 at 07:05 PM

Thats it. Im gonna log in to Alabamawhitetrashredneckdumbasshicks.com and tell some stories about the chit I saw in the south when I was in the US Army.

rts551 - 1-30-2010 at 07:20 PM

PLS don't Curt. That site is a favorite for some on this board

Green card

wessongroup - 1-31-2010 at 08:44 AM

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Originally posted by Ken Cooke

Once my wife's Green Card is issued, we're gonna be in Baja as much as possible. Until then, we're either here in the USA, or possibly in Puerto Rico for vacations.

Ken, one thing... you have just got to get your wife to CHEER UP!!! :lol:

What a super smile, you are a lucky man.. with a smile like that, you don't need coffee to wake up.... man.. congratulations!!

Guess that's why you can't live without them..

It's all good, just don't let her get hurt out there... it's fun, but.. at times dangerous

THE EFFECTS OF THE COLOMBIAN HAPPY BUG HAVE EFFECTED MY NEW WIFE!!

Ken Cooke - 1-31-2010 at 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by wessongroup

Quote:

Originally posted by Ken Cooke

Once my wife's Green Card is issued, we're gonna be in Baja as much as possible. Until then, we're either here in the USA, or possibly in Puerto Rico for vacations.

Ken, one thing... you have just got to get your wife to CHEER UP!!! :lol:

Photo taken 1 day after our marriage in December '09:

The Happy Bug still persists...hopefully, for a lifetime. :bounce:

Barry A. - 1-31-2010 at 10:12 AM

Wow, Ken, I am late to this------------CONGRATULATIONS

Have a long and happy life together

What a smile!!!!! You gotta love it!!!!

Barry

unbob - 1-31-2010 at 10:46 AM

Love it when I hear some Americano exclaiming how dangerous Mexico is and how they would never, ever cross the border!

I always tell them there's a bandito hiding behind every cactus and warn them to never go to Baja - much too dangerous!

Fact is - I want to keep Baja just the way it is - we sure don't need the teeming masses north of the border overrunning our paradise!

...I'LL TAKE MY CHANCES...BAJA IS IN MY BLOOD!!

Ken Cooke - 1-31-2010 at 10:50 AM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
Wow, Ken, I am late to this------------CONGRATULATIONS

Have a long and happy life together

What a smile!!!!! You gotta love it!!!!

Barry

Barry,

Thank you for the Congratulations. Now, you know why I haven't been in Baja with my friends and our Jeeps. But, Baja awaits...like an addiction where there is no cure... :dudette:

Ensenada, Playas de Tijuana, Laguna Salada, Gonzaga Bay... I can't wait!!

The Gull - 1-31-2010 at 10:53 AM

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Originally posted by unbob
Love it when I hear some Americano exclaiming how dangerous Mexico is and how they would never, ever cross the border!

I always tell them there's a bandito hiding behind every cactus and warn them to never go to Baja - much too dangerous!

Fact is - I want to keep Baja just the way it is - we sure don't need the teeming masses north of the border overrunning our paradise!

Your lavish spending doesn't seem to support: the local population who are now unemployed: bankrupted businesses; and failed growth initiatives. Hopelessness and crime are the outcomes of this sad event.

You must be proud to gloat over it in such a selfish way. Congrats on reaching a high water mark of callousness toward your indigenous hosts.

Baja Jeeping is second to none!!

Ken Cooke - 1-31-2010 at 10:57 AM

With all of the land closures taking place in the United States, there is one place I can count on to enjoy my Jeeping...BAJA!

wessongroup - 1-31-2010 at 11:24 AM

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For me, it was driving those Jeeps over cliffs for fun??

... but, if it makes you happy.. go do it.. just remember you will get old, and all the coco's you get when your young and indestructuable, WILL come to visit you once your into your 60's and 70's.. think 80's you stop feeling much, your on some much medication.. there are however some.. that take a licken and keep on ticken.. hope your one of those...

Good luck on your adventures in the Baja.. and with that gal, with the super smile... on med's with a lot of old wounds that have come back.. but, then I get to remember how I got, the broken knee, motorcycle into a car that turned left in front of me, broken leg, skiing, broken shoulder, riding a bull, broken jaw, fight, fractured skull , fight, broken ankle.. you get the idea.. yeah, great ain't it and I was a winner too...

Just saying take care of that beautiful wife, I don't care about you, :lol:

.. But no kidding be careful out there, have fun, but be careful, you do break, and mend.. but those breaks come back in your old age.. trust me..

I'm sure there are a few others out there, that are walking wounded to some degree.. from their youthful exuberance, feel free to chip in.. war stories are great.. and I bet we have some really good ones from down here in the Baja...

A loser at the top of his game... :lol:

unbob - 1-31-2010 at 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by The Gull

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So, was Baja "Hopeless and crime-ridden" before the gringos arrived? Somehow I think it was a happier place before!

As for my indigenous hosts, I have nothing but respect for them and their land - and I'm grateful for the services they provide. But encouraging an "invasion" of their homeland by hordes of gringos won't necessarily enrich their lives.

And my selfishness? Well, maybe - I just love Baja the way it is.

Woooosh - 1-31-2010 at 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by wessongroup

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A very salient point, which is not stated by many, with out an attack on the person making a rather valid observation .. thanks

no hijack intended, but- I did like that part of Obama's SOU address. Countries like India are expanding their education and infra-structure and also want to be #1 in the world. If the USA wants to stay #1, the gov't needs to get to work. No one has their heads in the sand, they just aren't working together. I don't think they need to be worried about Mexican domination of the world unless they bottle my Mother-in-laws chicken mole.

wessongroup - 1-31-2010 at 03:01 PM

Mother-in-laws chicken mole.. :lol:

that's not a hijack, that's funny!!

Bajahowodd - 1-31-2010 at 05:31 PM

Woooosh makes a very important point. If people in the US are going to focus solely on maximizing there profit on investments on a quarterly basis, constantly harrangue about lowering taxes, which results in cuts to programs such as education, then they had damm well be prepared to be something other than number one.

Woooosh - 1-31-2010 at 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Woooosh makes a very important point. If people in the US are going to focus solely on maximizing there profit on investments on a quarterly basis, constantly harrangue about lowering taxes, which results in cuts to programs such as education, then they had damm well be prepared to be something other than number one.

(doing my best Steve Erkel: "Did I say 'dat?" :lol

wessongroup - 1-31-2010 at 05:44 PM

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Not sure where the investments are going to be made, Chinese shipping? .. they come here full and go back to China empty.. not sure how long that can go on.. we are not really producing and selling anything. or a ship like this on in Long Beach Harbor would be loaded with shipping containers going some place... as this one is.. back to China to get another load

[Edited on 2-1-2010 by wessongroup]

arrowhead - 2-3-2010 at 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by arrowhead
The murder rate is 7 times higher in TJ. Maybe they should all get more guns?

If this is what my neighbors would look like, I'd prefer to take my chances in TJ...

Captured today in Tijuana. That's a .50 Cal. It will fire a bullet right through an armored car.

So then, what were you saying about taking your chances?

Game, Set, Match.

bajabass - 2-3-2010 at 06:40 PM

I hope they keep rounding up the bad guys! One day I may stop in TJ for a drink. For now, straight through town to the toll road.

honda tom - 2-5-2010 at 11:40 PM

Some of the places I go on purpose, to show my kids what places used to look like, I wouldnt mind having my .45 cal somwhere nearby. In the states I get to have it with me. In Mex you know they have them so its just about making it a level plyaing field, when the wrong guys show up. 150 miles south of BOLA there are no cops, and very few military, but theres a lot of guys movin dope, I hope you never have to deal with them in a bad situation.

wessongroup - 2-6-2010 at 06:38 AM

That's a sniper rifle... a really good weapon.. Now where would one get that? looks brand new.. came with instruction in Spanish.. what a gun dealer.. wonder if they give discounts

Don't think I'm going to be a target, could be wrong.. I do say things that upset some.. but, the Cartel's or a "set of mules" plugging across the open with a few hundred thousand in their back backs.. no way.. are they going to be using it on me...

About the only "in coming" I worry about, is just being in the wrong place when these guys startup, trying to make a point to someone involved with the "trade", be they elected, rivals, non-payment, or what ever.. In most cases the debris left over by these event is mostly folks in the trade and those poor folks that are ordered to take care of those in the business (may they walk with God),.. and in some cases they will even go after the family, guess that's why they all were masks HUH

As it seems most to the folks that end up dead, are the result of that kind of action... what benefit would it serve to waste time "offing" old gringo's eating tamales in Mexico or having a drink in TJ.. my son goes there, he just doesn't go at night and forget weekends.. says it's more fun.. they are really happy to see his money, he can smoke (yeah, I gave up..) shoot pool drink a beer and there are "very" friendly girls around to talk to.. He's a grown a** man, he can take care of himself.. he doesn't like to come on down to stay with us... say's there is nothing to due.. it's really boring.. he like the excitement and all the noise of TJ, says it's NY but people don't know it... may be right, NY used to be some place you had to watch your back at all times.. but, it did have a "vibe" and one could get just about anything one can imagine there too... albeit much more expensive..

Even when I was a young guy in my early twenties.. I did not like seeing folks coming up on me... when out in the boonies.. I knew I had much more than they did, even if it was an old 57 VW and a sleeping bag, in most cases it was much more than they had.. there was NOTHING around 40-50 years ago, no cell phones, no spot, nobody to call for help.. it was part of the deal coming down here... and still is...

This ain't no place for sissy's so just suck it up, just like the Mexican people do and go on with life

If all I have to worry about is some guy with a .50 sniper rifle.. I'm not too concerned.. do I like that someone has one, doesn't bother me, wish I could have one.. Can't imagine what they are like to fired... and in the "field" it seems to get the job done..

Ok, my coffee is ready .. I'm gone

Have at it.. good thread good input... thanks

bajafam - 2-6-2010 at 09:43 AM

It's a sad thing to stay away from someplace you love because you don't feel safe, but I agree that safety is important. We, as a family, have never felt unsafe anywhere south of TJ, and we like to go to quiet spots and camp in the middle of nowhere. This is not to say that we do not have some sort of protection ~ I'm sure our mutts would give any bandito a good lickin' ~

but we carry more in the states. I'd rather spend a month on the beach at Bahia San Quintin or Cabras or Abreojos or San Roque than a week in downtown Phoenix.

There are bad eggs everywhere and some of them appear to be decent at first glance. Go with your gut, if something, someone, somewhere makes you uncomfortable, stay away. But to say that "all" of a country is bad does a disservice to the beautiful people and culture that still exists. We have never felt hospitality and love like that in Baja. Strangers wave to you on the street and give you the most genuine smiles. Be on the look out for this guy!

Our extended familia in Baja includes practically everyone we have met there. And we spend most of days in the states planning, plotting and dreaming of ways to spend more time in Baja.

Please!! Don't go to Baja with expectations that it is just like the states! Don't complain because it's "poor" or "dirty" or "dangerous" or whatever negative description you want to put on it. Relish the beauty ~ in its landscape, its coastline, its wildlife, its people.

Vive Mexico! Vive Baja!

woody with a view - 2-6-2010 at 09:52 AM

yeah, it's a scary place. i'm taking the family on an E ticket ride next week. at least i can count on one less person where we're going!

wessongroup - 2-6-2010 at 07:07 PM

bajafam, really like your dogs.. is one a NcNab? and your thoughful post..

bajafam - 2-6-2010 at 07:50 PM

Believe it or not, they are brother Mutts, rescued by us 3 years ago. Their mother was abandoned on our dirt road and she had her pups in our neighbor's shed. My husband brought home those guys and they were just little fat balls of slobbery love. Who could resist? They have the best demeanor and are awesome Baja mutts, although Wilbur, the one of the right, is a bit of a hoar

When we stayed last year on the beach outside Abreojos, he managed to run all the way to town to chase the girl dogs...and they both attempted to follow some poor friendly guy on a bike from San Roque to Bahia Asuncion. But I tell you what, mess with their family and you are toast!!

wessongroup - 2-6-2010 at 08:25 PM

One of the best dogs we ever had was a Border collie/McNab .. the father was the McNab, belong to a guy who shoed horse in the San Joaquin Valley, the mother was Border Collie that work on a Ranch in Hanford in Kings County CA.. The pup, was selected from the litter by our son when he was 2.. The McNab's owner started to laugh... I said Mitchell, what are you laughing about... We named that one Trouble!!!

He and my son grew up together out in the country in Madera County.

He did create some problems but his plus far outweigh this negatives, by a long shot..

Had the McNab, strength "they really are cow dogs" with the Border Collie's agility.. but, gentle to a fault

They do grow on you, and yours appears to be well adjusted, if a not a bit scary at the same time if they really are real comfortable.. a confident animal with size is a bit of an experience.. got to stay clam, look them in the eye, and then ... pray to God they like you

Pappy Jon - 2-11-2010 at 09:24 PM

WOW, I just found this thread. While most of you sing the praise of how safe Baja is, and blast those of us that CCW, I would like to offer a different perspective. Reality.

My recent experience is limited to six trips in the last 5 years. Prior to that I visited frequently for several years between 1988-1997. I've been "chased" off a beach twice because suspected drug runners made me uncomfortable. I've also had the Mexican military stop me in the middle of nowhere and jump in my truck "shot gun" for a ride ... after assuring me there automatic rifle was unloaded (didn't matter, my seat was already wet). I've also experience the friendly people living in the back country.

Each year my friends strongly discourage me from taking my annual vacation, and I ignore them ... for the most part. I'm certainly more cautious. I avoid places where I've had trouble. I don't explore ad lib like I used to and stick to a pre-planned itinerary which is delivered to my friends in advance. I hate visiting Baja that way, but that is the reality of Mexico right now. For those of you that paint the rosy picture, good for you. My reality says your glasses are rose-colored.

Once again my friends are strongly trying to discourage me from visiting Baja in April. Once again this year, I'm not going to explore like I would like to and will visit familiar "safe" places. I've even considered a sat phone to satisfy their fears, and to some degree mine. It's still possible I might reconsider and travel closer to home, but probably not.

I still love Baja, but it's just not as much fun anymore.

[Edited on 2-12-2010 by Pappy Jon]

What planet did you arrive from?

mcfez - 2-11-2010 at 11:08 PM

I been sitting here quietly reading one of my favorite websites, Bajanomand. Have posted just once last December……and then hundreds of times in the past under a different name. Been many stories of bull…..yours top them all!
To the sounding of your horrific thoughts about the evil in Baja….is plain silly…..and stupid. I let my kids roam freely in San Felipe, La Paz, Cozumel, Xalapa, Monterrey, Chichen Itza,Tulume and a hell of a lot more places. At night? No…..I don’t let them out at night in Sacramento either! In the back alleys? Not in Mexico or New York! Let them roam the badlands? Not in Baja or East L.A.
Common sense on how and where you go will keep you safe.
Read this:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/story?id=7288842&a...
There’s as much cr—p going on in the USA. And you know it. New Orleans, Jersey City, Fresno… Common sense on how and where you go will keep you safe.
Yes…keep safe and stay away from Mexico. USA. too. Oh….let’s throw in Iceland also. Arctic sounds really good for a freakin guy like you.
In my 35 years of traveling Mexico/Baja…I have never had an issue, or my friends.

The Yank.

wessongroup - 2-12-2010 at 05:58 AM

Ain't it the truth... me, I'm hoping everyone leaves... Baja.. would like it just fine, if the roads were not paved, there was no electricity, and we all went back about 100 years.. gardens, chickens, rabbits, fishing and adobe houses, with no "granite" counter tops.. but, that's just me.. and it not going to happen...

Unless.... Will you can fill in the blanks on that one.. Soulpatch is making a sound point .... What's the big woof, staying in the States.. About all you have is just MORE!!! And it is draining the Country to always have MORE!!

Patch is doing like some of our forefathers did... they moved to another place when it got too bad where they were.. good for you Patch... you and you family can do anything with the tightness you have...

Don't have to wish you luck.. your just taking care of business.. keep us up to speed of how your doing.. it's a good story, and thanks for sharing

Me, I like no: roar of freeways, no helicopters hovering around for 15-30 minutes (with flood lights), sirens , the sound of screeching ties and then the dull thud of impact, air traffic, no stars at night, traffic which is enough to make any normal person go crazy, and costs of good and service which are just plain ridiculous .. my boy tells me a date now a days.. which includes a hair cut, fill the tank, movie and dinner, plus going to a club and having a few drinks and dancing is pretty close to $350 dollars now a days

Well that is just plain crazy... and I can see why the report I read in Newsweek last year in my Doctors office stated that 70% of all men 30 and above are not married and do not plan to get married.. and with a divorce rate of over 50%.. a man is just committing financial suicide going out to get married

And if you think this is off topic, you most likely can't walk and chew gum at the same time...

Topic is why you don't travel to Baja, and this is why I and/or we do... as I have not stopped traveling in Baja.. as I live here at this time, and will until I and/or we decide to move some place else!! my be Pakistan ... they have some beautiful country there, and if you want to live someplace where it would be dangerous... that would be my pick!!!

Barry A. - 2-12-2010 at 07:35 AM

Excellent, Wesson-------------and right on. :light:

Barry

knuckles - 2-12-2010 at 08:04 AM

BAJA FAM:

Thanks for the great post. My first family trips were in the 60s and my mom always said we go there because the people are warm and friendly. And for the raw clams that she slurpped down on the street.

When we traveled the mainland in 68 (5 of us in a converted bread bus) we planned to stay 4 weeks, but once we got to Matzatlan we were adopted into a campo of wonderful people. We played along side the local kids all day long and learned to surf, fish, make tortillas and live a more simple life. Slept in hammocks at night. Dad wired home for more money and we stayed the rest of the summer. (and the Turtle Soup was a big thing back then too!)

I have tried to duplicate that summer a few times as I got older, crazy dirt roads to nowhere, unique local cuisine and the people you meet along the way.

We have always had a place in Baja, because it feels like home. The kids are not concerned with what kinds of jeans they wear, they are thankful for what they have. It makes me remember what is important in life.

Of course things have changed, they do everywhere, but the best thing about Baja is still the people and the dogs.

David K - 2-12-2010 at 08:09 AM

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Originally posted by Pappy Jon
WOW, I just found this thread. While most of you sing the praise of how safe Baja is, and blast those of us that CCW, I would like to offer a different perspective. Reality.

My recent experience is limited to six trips in the last 5 years. Prior to that I visited frequently for several years between 1988-1997. I've been "chased" off a beach twice because suspected drug runners made me uncomfortable. I've also had the Mexican military stop me in the middle of nowhere and jump in my truck "shot gun" for a ride ... after assuring me there automatic rifle was unloaded (didn't matter, my seat was already wet). I've also experience the friendly people living in the back country.

Each year my friends strongly discourage me from taking my annual vacation, and I ignore them ... for the most part. I'm certainly more cautious. I avoid places where I've had trouble. I don't explore ad lib like I used to and stick to a pre-planned itinerary which is delivered to my friends in advance. I hate visiting Baja that way, but that is the reality of Mexico right now. For those of you that paint the rosy picture, good for you. My reality says your glasses are rose-colored.

Once again my friends are strongly trying to discourage me from visiting Baja in April. Once again this year, I'm not going to explore like I would like to and will visit familiar "safe" places. I've even considered a sat phone to satisfy their fears, and to some degree mine. It's still possible I might reconsider and travel closer to home, but probably not.

I still love Baja, but it's just not as much fun anymore.

[Edited on 2-12-2010 by Pappy Jon]

Jon, perhaps with a second Tacoma along, you can go to all the spots you are avoiding? Let's hope for some good economy and dry weather between now and then!

Woooosh - 2-12-2010 at 09:04 AM

From reading this thread it is still clear to me everyone has their different comfort levels with safety and that won't change. I love the Baja of the old days too as Wesson said- the simplicity. I do feel bad for people who feel they can no longer safely explore the "outback" of Baja. Of course you can. You're probably more likely to run into a narco-pot farm in Yellowstone than Baja. I really liked the "be prepared" style of some posters. They are going to have their outing in Baja but leave a trail for friends to follow- just in case. Baja is NOT going to become more pristine and less-populated in the future, so you should get out and enjoy what there is of bajas untouched treasures while they are still there. JHMO.

DENNIS - 2-12-2010 at 09:19 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
You're probably more likely to run into a narco-pot farm in Yellowstone than Baja.

Growers are wherever you find running water. Here, in the Sierra, they're everywhere. Lots of them out of the Sierra as well. These activities attract scummy people who would ruin your day for the change in your pocket.
It makes me nervous when I see someone under-estimating the danger involved in traveling the rural outback. Times have changed.

arrowhead - 2-12-2010 at 02:50 PM

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Originally posted by wessongroup
Me, I like no: roar of freeways, no helicopters hovering around for 15-30 minutes (with flood lights), sirens , the sound of screeching ties and then the dull thud of impact, air traffic, no stars at night, traffic which is enough to make any normal person go crazy, and costs of good and service which are just plain ridiculous ..

I realize you've made your decision and made your move to Baja, but you seem to spend an inordinate amount of time here trying to rationalize your decision. For the record, less than 3% of the land area of the US is dense, urban use land. You don't have to move to Baja to find quiet, there is still the other 97% of the US. And if you think Mexico is quiet, you must be stone deaf. Mexicans are one of the noisiest friggin people on the planet. Anybody who has lived there for more than 24-hours can attest to that. They have absolutely no respect for their neighbors when it comes to noise and carry on at all hours of the day and night.

...and the next time you are sitting in your doctors office reading magazines about the marriage rate of US males, you should probably ask yourself why you drove up to the US to go see the doctor.

arrowhead - 2-12-2010 at 02:57 PM

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Originally posted by mcfez
There’s as much cr—p going on in the USA. And you know it. New Orleans, Jersey City, Fresno… Common sense on how and where you go will keep you safe.

So then, people should stay out of New Orleans, Jersey City and Fresno? Since you are an expert, would you take us through the "common sense" thing on how and where you go to keep safe? Explain it step-by-step to us ignorant people. Say, for example, you are getting your mail at Rene's in Rosarito and a truck pulls up and blocks you off, a man gets out and puts a gun to your head and steals your car, wallet and papers. What common sense things would you have done that would have prevented that?

Please be specific because I am going to write it all down.

[Edited on 2-12-2010 by arrowhead]

Woooosh - 2-12-2010 at 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by arrowhead

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Originally posted by mcfez
There’s as much cr—p going on in the USA. And you know it. New Orleans, Jersey City, Fresno… Common sense on how and where you go will keep you safe.

So then, people should stay your of New Orleans, Jersey City and Fresno? Since you are an expert, would you take us through the "common sense" thing on how and where you go to keep safe? Explain it step-by-step to us ignorant people. Say, for example, you are getting your mail at Rene's in Rosarito and a truck pulls up and blocks you off, a man gets out and puts a gun to your head and steals your car, wallet and papers. What common sense things would you have done that would have prevented that?

Please be specific because I am going to write it all down.

oh Puhlease... if bad things like that ever happened in Rosarito, we would have read about it in the papers.

:saint:

DENNIS - 2-12-2010 at 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
oh Puhlease... if bad things like that ever happened in Rosarito, we would have read about it in the papers.

Is that one of those facetious things or what? Do you read Español?

mcfez - 2-12-2010 at 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by arrowhead

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Originally posted by mcfez
There’s as much cr—p going on in the USA. And you know it. New Orleans, Jersey City, Fresno… Common sense on how and where you go will keep you safe.

mcfez - 2-12-2010 at 04:34 PM

Well...if things are so bad in Rosarito...why are you going there :lol:

Just a question to "us ignorant people".

Make sure to check your mail in Compton too..........

wessongroup - 2-12-2010 at 04:57 PM

Gold star for Patch

Bajahowodd - 2-12-2010 at 05:06 PM

In all my years, I've known, and even been married to people who seem to have a fixation about the ocean. I also must reveal that my father was a lifelong mariner, first in WWII and thereafter in the US Merchant Marine. That all said, what is the big thing about water? I'll admit that coming over Kingsbury Grade into the Tahoe basin makes me feel tingly. But it's not the ocean.

Barry A. - 2-12-2010 at 05:58 PM

-----I was born and lived on the Ocean for 30 years (Coronado)--------I got enough of it, and now I love the desert. :lol:

Barry

wessongroup - 2-12-2010 at 07:46 PM

Barry A. .. Which desert?

CaboRon - 2-12-2010 at 11:36 PM

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Originally posted by arrowhead

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Ain't that the truth :lol:

Barry A. - 2-13-2010 at 12:22 AM

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Originally posted by wessongroup
Barry A. .. Which desert?

------the CA desert (both high and low) and Arizona, Utah, Western Colorado and New Mexico, Wyoming, southern Idaho, western Oregon, and any other parts of the arid western USA that I have left out-------it's all good. :yes:

The main problem I have with the Ocean is that I am allergic to humidity, and am always totally plugged up when near the Sea.

Barry

wessongroup - 2-13-2010 at 12:49 AM

Thanks, used to live and work in those areas among a few others that aren't listed too...

I deal with a "plugged" thing too.. The desert does give one relief..

I like it all, but I can't take the heat very well anymore.. parents were from Phoenix, mom used to live in Mesa then got tired of all the desert and now lives in VA... says she likes the green.. my sister who lives there two.. uses some kind of "blue light" to deal with being depressed, as there is not many days of "sun" clouds are in their world pretty much all the time.. grey sky's can get to one also

Thanks.. just woundered which one, as each has a "thing" going on.. have enjoyed deserts also.. have always loved the "smell" when it rains.. plus the light shows aren't too bad either

Barry A. - 2-13-2010 at 01:57 PM

--------the "smell" of the desert after a light rain is to die for!!!!!!! Few things beat it.

Good comments, Wesson---------------If you know Redding, CA, you KNOW that heat does NOT bother either my wife, nor I. It is REALLY hot in Redding during the summer (110 often). Before that, we lived in El Centro (115 often)

------luv that heat!!!!! :lol:

Barry

Why I do Travel to Baja Still

Packoderm - 2-13-2010 at 02:32 PM

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=44194

wessongroup - 2-13-2010 at 04:02 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
--------the "smell" of the desert after a light rain is to die for!!!!!!! Few things beat it.

Good comments, Wesson---------------If you know Redding, CA, you KNOW that heat does NOT bother either my wife, nor I. It is REALLY hot in Redding during the summer (110 often). Before that, we lived in El Centro (115 often)

------luv that heat!!!!! :lol:

Barry

Yep, you gotta love some place where it gets so hot there is no "lift" for some types of aircraft... used to work in El Centro... oh my.. thought my leg was only to catch fire one day waiting for a green arrow to make a left turn on to 86 in Brawley.. had been up to Calipatria.. my car did not have air.. and it was not very comfortable sitting still.. it was well over 115º... worked in Ag... also used to get up to Redding too.. and yes it does get hot there also.. but it's a dry heat :lol:

You take it easy

why i still go to baja

eetdrt88 - 2-13-2010 at 04:10 PM

bcuz i love it,cant get enough of it :cool:

Woooosh - 2-13-2010 at 10:01 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Woooosh
oh Puhlease... if bad things like that ever happened in Rosarito, we would have read about it in the papers.

Is that one of those facetious things or what? Do you read Español?

My facetiousness is surpassed only by my sarcasm.

Oh Puhlease

Dave - 2-13-2010 at 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Woooosh
oh Puhlease... if bad things like that ever happened in Rosarito, we would have read about it in the papers.

Is that one of those facetious things or what? Do you read Español?

My facetiousness is surpassed only by my sarcasm.

Try reading 'Ecos de Rosarito'.

Woooosh - 2-13-2010 at 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

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Originally posted by Woooosh

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Woooosh
oh Puhlease... if bad things like that ever happened in Rosarito, we would have read about it in the papers.

Is that one of those facetious things or what? Do you read Español?

My facetiousness is surpassed only by my sarcasm.

Try reading 'Ecos de Rosarito'.

just let me know when it's safe to leave the house and go pick a copy up. They used to have it at the CESPT office- but that's next to the police station. I do visit the AFN site.

Do you think tourists heading south can get a copy of Ecos in their hands to help them time their visit between carjacking crime waves and the lobster season? The on-line version is kinda weak- the Policiaca section posts no crime reports at all but does give kudos to the "turn you neighbors in anonymously" program".

http://ecosderosarito.com/history/474/index.html#s7

http://afntijuana.info/blog/

[Edited on 2-14-2010 by Woooosh]

Poor baby

Dave - 2-13-2010 at 10:55 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh

just let me know when it's safe to leave the house to go pick a copy up.

Scared?

I could always pick up a copy and deliver it.

If I can get a police escort. :rolleyes:

Hey Woosh, your predial at work!!

arrowhead - 2-14-2010 at 12:24 AM

http://ecosderosarito.com/history/474/index.html#s7

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Para ello, el Presidente Municipal Hugo Torres Chabert encabezó una reunión la tarde del 10 de febrero, en la que dio a conocer que hará una gira oficial a China del 4 al 12 de marzo, donde promoverá los proyectos de desarrollo inmobiliario e industrial rosaritenses, invitando a empresarios para que presenten propuestas.

Igualmente informó Torres Chabert que parte del esfuerzo por el Ayuntamiento para impulsar la mejor imagen de Rosarito será la realización de visitas también oficiales a Los Angeles, Santa Ana, San Francisco, Las Vegas, Phoenix, y San Diego, en lo que resta del gobierno, para lo cual se cuenta con el apoyo de los consulados de México en el vecino país.

An all expense paid vacation in China for Hugo. What a deal. These people have no shame.

[Edited on 2-14-2010 by arrowhead]

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