BajaNomad - 2010 Toyota Tacoma Recall

2010 Toyota Tacoma Recall

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bajaguy - 2-12-2010 at 06:29 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35372655/ns/business-autos

wessongroup - 2-12-2010 at 06:33 PM

It's hard to believe

k-rico - 2-12-2010 at 06:42 PM

draggin' drive shafts - gnarly

Bob H - 2-12-2010 at 10:11 PM

I'm stick'n with FORD!
Bob H

slimshady - 2-12-2010 at 10:42 PM

So as with the recall issues, any part manufactured here in the USA is pretty much to blame for the recalls. Toyota should take their manufacturing back to Japan and send us some Deisel Prado or Hiluxs.

chippy - 2-13-2010 at 08:02 AM

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Originally posted by slimshady
So as with the recall issues, any part manufactured here in the USA is pretty much to blame for the recalls. Toyota should take their manufacturing back to Japan and send us some Deisel Prado or Hiluxs.

I would think it´s more a question of quality control than manufacturing.

bonanza bucko - 2-13-2010 at 08:29 AM

It's waaaayyy too damned bad. I love my 2004 Tundra Limited 4X4. It's been down "That Road" south of Puertecitos about 20 times and hasn't even developed a squeak. I had two 4X4 Ford Explorers which cost me $1200 for repairs EACH after ONE trip in and out...100 miles....$12/mile for repairs.

Then Toyota decided to go after the urban cowboy market and built the new Tundra. The only thing separating it from a Dodge is the steer horns on the hood and the bull's balls on the hitch....it's a piece of oversized, under engineered junk. I have buddies with them who complain all the time about such stuff as plastic radiator hangars that break on "That Road."

Toyota abandoned it's commitment to "The Toyota Way" which was constant improvement and utter reliability in order to grow to become the world's biggest auto maker!!?? The used to build all vehicles with parts made by old and trusted suppliers in Japan. But the new way required they buy them here. The parts that caused the famous accelerator recall were mostly made in Canada.

I will need a new truck for Baja in about a year....my 2004 has 155,000 happy miles on it. I would buy a new model of my old Tundra in a second. But I will NOT buy anything that they currently produce until and unless they get their act together as of old. It makes me sick to think I might have to go back to Found On Road Dead and Fix Or Repair Daily. But, at least Ford is better than that &*^damned Obama Motors from which I would not buy a hub cap.

Toyota has the NUMI plant in Freemont, Cal. which used to be half Toyota and half GM (before GM became Obama Inc and pulled out) and ALL UAW. If they have the unmitigated stupidity to start building Toyota anything with the "help" of the UAW they will go broke in short order after building millions of pieces of mierda.

Waaaayyyyy Toooooo Baaaaad

monoloco - 2-13-2010 at 08:33 AM

It was a design problem. The part in question was designed by Toyota and manufactured to their specs. No one including Toyota has called it a manufacturing defect. Toyota has known about the problem for quite a few years and chose to ignore it showing a callous disregard for the safety of their customers.

TMW - 2-13-2010 at 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by bonanza bucko
It's waaaayyy too damned bad. I love my 2004 Tundra Limited 4X4. It's been down "That Road" south of Puertecitos about 20 times and hasn't even developed a squeak. I had two 4X4 Ford Explorers which cost me $1200 for repairs EACH after ONE trip in and out...100 miles....$12/mile for repairs.

Then Toyota decided to go after the urban cowboy market and built the new Tundra. The only thing separating it from a Dodge is the steer horns on the hood and the bull's balls on the hitch....it's a piece of oversized, under engineered junk. I have buddies with them who complain all the time about such stuff as plastic radiator hangars that break on "That Road."

Toyota abandoned it's commitment to "The Toyota Way" which was constant improvement and utter reliability in order to grow to become the world's biggest auto maker!!?? The used to build all vehicles with parts made by old and trusted suppliers in Japan. But the new way required they buy them here. The parts that caused the famous accelerator recall were mostly made in Canada.

I will need a new truck for Baja in about a year....my 2004 has 155,000 happy miles on it. I would buy a new model of my old Tundra in a second. But I will NOT buy anything that they currently produce until and unless they get their act together as of old. It makes me sick to think I might have to go back to Found On Road Dead and Fix Or Repair Daily. But, at least Ford is better than that &*^damned Obama Motors from which I would not buy a hub cap.

Toyota has the NUMI plant in Freemont, Cal. which used to be half Toyota and half GM (before GM became Obama Inc and pulled out) and ALL UAW. If they have the unmitigated stupidity to start building Toyota anything with the "help" of the UAW they will go broke in short order after building millions of pieces of mierda.

Waaaayyyyy Toooooo Baaaaad

BB I did not know the new Tundra was having problems. I work for a TV station here in Bakersfield and I have a 2007 Tacoma for my transmitter truck and two other stations have 2009 Tundras. We're all 4x4s. While none of these trucks run on a road anywhere close to the Gonzaga road for being bad we do run on dirt roads and in snow and pull snowcats up the mountains. My Tacoma has 42,000 miles and has never had any repairs, just oil and filter changes. It's still has the original brake pads and shoes, which are inspected every oil change. I make at least one and sometimes two trips up a 7,500 mtn per week. Last year due to the installation of a new transmitter and antenna and building roof I or one of my techs went almost everyday for 4 months, a 45 mile drive taking 1.5 hours each way.

I do think part of what you say is true, maybe Toyota was building too many vehicles to fast and getting into a QC problem. I think that was a problem Ford, GM etc had for years.

bonanza bucko - 2-13-2010 at 11:20 AM

I's my impression from guys I trust....like David K. on this site....that the Tacoma is a good piece of gear. But it ain't big enough and the Tacoma doesn't come in a Limited version as the Tundra does. Toyota has always been a little shy in the cab amenities department but made up for that with overall quality.

I might have to buy a Tacoma...but I don't wanna very bad. Toyota has screwed the pooch pretty bad with their apparent abandonment of high quality and reliability in favor of market share....among folks who don't care for the good stuff...only the flashy and sexy.

David K - 2-13-2010 at 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by Bob H
I'm stick'n with FORD!
Bob H

My truck is not recalled... only 8,000 with a drive shaft made by Dana (a U.S. company) out of how many Tacomas???

MSNBC is a loser network, anyway! :lol:

bajaguy - 2-13-2010 at 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by David K

My truck is not recalled... only 8,000 with a drive shaft made by Dana (a U.S. company) out of how many Tacomas???

MSNBC is a loser network, anyway! :lol:

David, didn't say anything about YOUR truck, it was just for information.........

OK, how if it's from FOX News does it make it any more believable??????....
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,585722,00.html

[Edited on 2-14-2010 by BajaNomad]

Tundra

bajaguy - 2-13-2010 at 12:49 PM

I'm still buying a 2011 Tundra........with all of the current bad PR and quality control, I'm guessing that Toyota will bend over backwards to ensure there should be no problems with next year's models.

David K - 2-13-2010 at 12:50 PM

Sorry BajaGuy... I was responding to Bob H and not you (note quote). Let me say thank you to YOU for the information.

It is BAD news for Toyota... and for Dana Corporation. As someone else said, Toyota would be well advised to quit this globalist idea that we are all the same... and parts made in America, Mexico or where ever are as good as parts made in Japan.

Since my truck was assembled in Tijuana, I can only hope that all the parts came from Japan... But, that probably isn't the case.

Thank you again BajaGuy.

Toyota promises new look at Tacoma acceleration complaints

k-rico - 2-13-2010 at 12:55 PM

"Toyota acknowledges that the complaint rate of unwanted acceleration on the 2005 and later Tacoma models is higher than on most other Toyota models."

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2010/02...

David K - 2-13-2010 at 01:03 PM

If you say there is a problem... and people who want easy money or free stuff have that vehicle... the number of complaints goes way up! :wow:

I had a 2005 Tacoma and put 102,000 miles on it... My 2010 has over 3,000 miles... They both never had any such issues. (well at least so far on my 2010 :lol:

wessongroup - 2-13-2010 at 01:05 PM

Calm down folks, they are after all only cars/trucks and they all have problems of some sort..

Used Edmunds.com to check again, the cost per mile to operate a 4WD Crew Cab pickup and associated reviews submitted by a few owners.

They appear overall to be very closely matched.. With operation per mile being a factor which one should consider also.

That said, take a look at some numbers.. Yeah, I know.. What about, and how about.. .

Let me just say this, my father favorite saying to me: spend a nickel, spend a dime, spending money is a crime"

If you don't think my fathers words did not make an impression on me

And here are the numbers on trucks operation costs per mile

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[Edited on 2-13-2010 by wessongroup]

Toyota designs Baja Tacoma

bajaguy - 2-13-2010 at 01:10 PM

Standard equipment........

http://www.brian894x4.com/images/MilTacoma3.jpg

David K - 2-13-2010 at 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
Standard equipment........

http://www.brian894x4.com/images/MilTacoma3.jpg

That's funny... photo taken on Laguna Salada or Chapala? :lol:

wessongroup - 2-13-2010 at 01:19 PM

The Taliban swear by them too...

TMW - 2-14-2010 at 11:37 AM

I was at AAA the other day and they had a new Tacoma double cab truck like DKs for display and the side window sticker said Assembled in Tijuana, Baja , Mexico. 55% US parts and 25% Japanese parts.

bajaguy - 2-14-2010 at 11:46 AM

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Originally posted by TW
I was at AAA the other day and they had a new Tacoma double cab truck like DKs for display and the side window sticker said Assembled in Tijuana, Baja , Mexico. 55% US parts and 25% Japanese parts.

Where do the other 20% come from?????...Uganda?????

Bob and Susan - 2-14-2010 at 03:29 PM

silly goose...china of course :yes:

Packoderm - 2-14-2010 at 03:46 PM

I thought it was Canada.

mtgoat666 - 2-14-2010 at 04:12 PM

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is that percent by volume or by weight?

that's why 4runner is better -- assembled in Japan, hopefully with unamerican materials :lol:

so this makes me think that first fuel in tacomas is pemex :lol:

who named it tacoma? i like tacoma, but wouldn't name my car or my child after tacoma. if i had to name my car after a US city i would choose San Fran, Seattle, Chicago, NYC or DC

TMW - 2-15-2010 at 09:51 AM

Interesting, I was at the fair gounds boat and RV show yesterday and Toyota had several of their vehicles there. I'm looking at the Tacoma 4 door 4x4 and it had a sticker saying it was made in Whittier, CA with 50% US/Canadian parts and 30% Japanese parts. Didn't say where the other 20% come from, Pep Boys maybe.

DianaT - 2-15-2010 at 10:14 AM

One thing is for sure---Toyota does have a credibility problem in some areas. That is not to say that the other companies are always up front. We own two Toyotas now and have owned others in the past and are still thinking about buying another one---but much of this is influencing our thinking.

Toyota discovered a problem with the front brakes in the year of our Tundra, but they did not do a recall, they just informed the dealers. They redesigned them for the 2004 models. Now if we had asked about it before our 100,000 mile warrenty expired, they would have fixed it.

What we learned was to always check and check frequently the internet about whatever vehicle you buy. Once I checked and read about the problem, we asked the dealer, but our warranty was 5000 miles over.

We asked why they did not do a recall and they just gave us that we don´t know look. We asked why they did not tell us about the problem when they received the notice from Toyota---well, they were told not to tell about it unless asked.

So we learned, check the internet and check often no matter what vehicle you have.

fishingmako - 2-15-2010 at 02:56 PM

I own a 350 Ford Diesel and owned a Toyota, truck Toyota is a great vehicle, but they just haven't been able to get into the TONKA TOY BUSINESS as of yet, they don't even come close to being in the Diesel business.

Again if you want Toyota be a salesman and go for it you can get some almost unreal deals now, because they are not moving on the lots, they are sitting all over the place, so wheel and deal the prices are gooooooooooooood!!!

josie - 2-15-2010 at 04:42 PM

My brother has two Toyota pickups - one is a 2004 and the other is a new 2010. He swears that the 2010 has been in the shop already for more days than his 2004 which he also bought new. He took the 2004 out to the desert this weekend as he just doesn't trust the new one right now. I was looking to buy one for my Baja trips (the minvan with low ground clearance doesn't do rain/mud very well) but now I am rethinking my idea to buy Toyota. Even if I get a really great deal on one, what good is it if it is going to give me a lot of trouble? I need a vehicle I can depend on.

k-rico - 2-15-2010 at 04:53 PM

* "To make sure Bill Clinton's heart doesn't stop, doctors put in a special pacemaker made by Toyota." -- Gary B. at Dailycomedy.com

* "Toyota should borrow the ad slogan from Energizer batteries: "It keeps going and going." -- Cara Tramontano on DailyComedy.com, with some massaging by Drive On.

* "The new model from Toyota this spring, the Toyota Apology: It gets two repair shops to the gallon" -- Bix Brillo on DailyComedy.com

* "What do Toyota and Tiger Woods have in common? They both don't know when to stop."

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2010/02...

Bajahowodd - 2-15-2010 at 05:20 PM

Does anyone remember the tussle that occurred when Airbus was seeking certification for their first generation of planes? These aircraft were the first to eliminate the mechanical connection between the c-ckpit and myriad control devices such as flaps and rudders. Fly by wire, it was called. In 2001, with the new design of the Camry, Toyota introduced an electronic throttle control. There was no direct link between the accelerator pedal and the throttle mechanism. Gradually, they adopted this technology over they entire fleet. Reports of sudden acceleration in Toyota model goes back to 2004. Floor mats or pedal components be damned. Anyone who has experienced chip failure can understand that it is very likely that there was some incidence of technology behind most of the incidents, Problem is that in Japan, there is just about zero interest in consumer complaints. There is a mentality that is definitely foreign to us in the West. So, it is very probable that accelerator failure was an issue for almost a decade. But, given the long-standing tradition of the Japonese, it was swept under the rug for years.

fishingmako - 2-15-2010 at 08:24 PM

Josie, like I said they are great vehicles, but since the vail has come off you are going to see many, many problems come to the surface, I would buy one at least 6-10 years if not older, you can buy new ones for about the same price???? your decesion?

josie - 2-15-2010 at 09:01 PM

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Originally posted by fishingmako
Josie, like I said they are great vehicles, but since the vail has come off you are going to see many, many problems come to the surface, I would buy one at least 6-10 years if not older, you can buy new ones for about the same price???? your decesion?

You are saying that a new one is as cheap as a used one that is 6-10 years old? Sorry but I don't understand?

fishingmako - 2-15-2010 at 09:51 PM

You'r right, clarification, a good one has to be in that age group. Because of the problems Toyota is experiencing, the new ones people are scared to buy, so If you know how to wheel and deal you can find some real bagains, look at the lots, there sitting there waiting to make a deal, will it be door (1) door (2) or door (3) go get um.

josie - 2-15-2010 at 10:08 PM

That is what my brother said too. I would buy his 2004 but he won't sell it as he is afraid to be left stranded if the new one breaks down again.

k-rico - 2-16-2010 at 04:18 AM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
In 2001, with the new design of the Camry, Toyota introduced an electronic throttle control. There was no direct link between the accelerator pedal and the throttle mechanism.

To me the larger issue is that the more expensive cars with electronic throttle control have a fail safe system that reduces engine RPM to idle speed when there is a conflict between the brake and the throttle.

In other words a known safety system designed to take care of a known issue was intentionally left out to keep cost down. "We'll just blame it on the floor mats."

So when Toyota execs say that safety is their primary concern, you can think "BS, profit is job one, of course."

[Edited on 2-16-2010 by k-rico]

wessongroup - 2-16-2010 at 07:35 AM

I'm going looking for a really old car... one with spring on the carburetor and set screws to adjust the idle.. a cable for linkage.. might have to build one.. a car that is.. but, this... well.. thanks you guys for getting me up to speed on what is under my hood.. have not been there in well over 10 years..

If they still have taxi cabs in Cuba that are 1951 Chevy's well, that is good enough for me..

David K - 2-16-2010 at 09:53 AM

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Originally posted by k-rico

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Sad that 'profit' has been turned into a bad word... the end of the free world happens when profit making/ job creating businesses are made to be 'bad' in the eyes of the masses... and the government takes over businesses that don't make a profit using money it doesn't have...

Profit is how we have prosperity, and can help others... create jobs... make new products... enjoy recreation.

You really think Toyota wants to hurt people, that they will have better business with these problems?

Sadly, seems that Toyota went global with outsourcing for products instead of staying inside of Japan for components. The defects are in products made here in the USA or elsewhere, used in Toyotas. The problems vehicles are still minimal compared to the number of cars made, but the bad news sells papers. My 2010 truck and my wife's 2008 Corolla have not been recalled and both are running (and braking) just fine... so far!

Bajaboy - 2-16-2010 at 10:23 AM

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Originally posted by David K

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Originally posted by k-rico

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DK-

In my opinion, Toyota shifted its focus on quantity instead of quality. My 2005 Toyota is ok but not as dependable as my 1993 truck. I hoping this turmoil gets Toyota to refocus its vision back to quality.

As for profits, yes, it is the reason companies are in business. But companies must also have social responsibility for the safety and well being of its customers. Unfortunately, it often takes a tragedy or two before the government needs to remind businesses of this.

And lastly, I find it amusing that you're blaming the good ol' USA for Toyota's shortcomings. How would your party feel about those statements :?:

Barry A. - 2-16-2010 at 10:53 AM

Baja Boy----------the "party" (republicans?) would approve--------we are all about "responsibility", and criticism applies across the board no matter where lack of it originates from.

Barry

k-rico - 2-16-2010 at 11:03 AM

"Around 10 years ago, Audi and other German luxury carmakers introduced an electronic fail-safe system in their cars that would respond to pressure on the brake pedal, even if the gas pedal were depressed and the throttle in an open position.

With prodding from NHTSA, Toyota is now installing an electronic "brake override" not only in recalled vehicles, but also across the entire model range.

A senior U.S.-based Toyota executive suggested such a remedy years ago. It's puzzling that, given the number of complaints, cash-rich Toyota didn't take such a step earlier. The software fix is expected to cost $1 billion -- not a big sum for a company that had more than $30 billion in cash at the end of the last fiscal year.

"I'm sure, in retrospect, they wish they had," says Metro Detroit Toyota dealer Bob Page. The Toyota that won over the American market in the 1970s and 1980s probably would have."

http://detnews.com/article/20100211/OPINION01/2110340/Toyota...

mtgoat666 - 2-16-2010 at 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by David K
Sad that 'profit' has been turned into a bad word... the end of the free world happens when profit making/ job creating businesses are made to be 'bad' in the eyes of the masses... and the government takes over businesses that don't make a profit using money it doesn't have...

Profit is how we have prosperity, and can help others... create jobs... make new products... enjoy recreation.

You really think Toyota wants to hurt people, that they will have better business with these problems?

I think toyota hid the defects in effort to stay profitable. Our govt (NHTSA) colluded with toyota in ignoring consumer complaints, data indicating a problem. When people started dieing, our govt started backpedaling from their cozy relationship with toyota,... and toyota had a problem on their hands. Toyota presennted a partial solution to their customers,... but whole story is not out yet,... still waiting for other shoe to drop.

dk: in this case profit motive was very bad, profit was put ahead of human lives.

now those NHTSA guys: probably a bunch of good old boy holdovers from the bush years :lol:

David K - 2-16-2010 at 11:13 AM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
Baja Boy----------the "party" (republicans?) would approve--------we are all about "responsibility", and criticism applies across the board no matter where lack of it originates from.

Barry

Exactly! The rules should be the SAME for EVERYONE... No 'special' deals for people based on things they cannot control... just like the way Dr. King invisioned.

The Republican party is the party of the people... responsible people who don't expect to have them or their neighbors foot the bill for other people's lack of responsibility... who want government to get out of people's way to create jobs and income for everyone ... and only do those things directed by the constitution.

Bajaboy - 2-16-2010 at 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by David K

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Okay, so you're saying that we don't have to "Buy American" and that it is to buy Chinese as long as it's a better product/value. Just wanted to confirm :light:

And DK-it's envisioned.

BajaGringo - 2-16-2010 at 11:22 AM

Toyota must step up to the plate NOW and remedy this NOW - no more excuses. They risk ending up with a black eye that won't go away in a market that is already very difficult and more competitive than ever for fewer buyers at lower profit margins per unit.

Yes, DK - profits are a good thing and what make a free market economy work. But like all in life there are checks and balances and that is why we have consumer safety laws. Putting profits ahead of consumer safety is just not good business in any business plan.

Hopefully they fire a few at the corporate level. Serious errors were made...

k-rico - 2-16-2010 at 11:42 AM

I wish we could keep politics out of this.

I find this technically interesting. The SUA (sudden unwanted acceleration) problem has been around for years in the fly-by-wire automotive systems. The article I referenced above stated that Audi experienced it 10 years ago and never figured out exactly what was going wrong so they put in the brake override system to prevent this mysterious digital gremlin from doing harm.

Therefore one can assume that ALL auto manufacturers knew that these digital control mechanisms, that rely on low voltage digital circuits to keep the ones and zeros straight, exhibit unpredictable behavior in the under-the-hood harsh environment.

Toyota and who knows what other manufacturers decided to not implement the fail-safe system. Why not?

And, this kind of stuff is real important to nomads because we drive in real harsh environments far from mechanics who can connect specialized diagnostic equipment to automotive digital control systems to diagnose and fix these high tech problems.

Old fashioned springs and levers are good things, as wessongroup said.

[Edited on 2-16-2010 by k-rico]

BajaGringo - 2-16-2010 at 11:50 AM

And we also end up on back roads, far from any help or lines of communication. Toyota has its work cut out...

Toyota Wants To Hurt People??

Bajahowodd - 2-16-2010 at 12:22 PM

Industry has put profit ahead of all else seemingly forever. In the case of the automotive industry, recall that it was all the way back in 1965 when Ralph Nader published "Unsafe At Any Speed" which dealt mainly with known defects in the Corvair. But, flash forward to a fatal accident that occurred with a Ford Pinto in 1981. It was long felt that the Pinto gas tank was unusually vulnerable to rupture from rear end collisions. The California Courts, in Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company (119 Cal Rptr. 248) awarded a badly burned passenger $2.5 million in compensatory damages and $3.5 million in punitive damages. The punitive damages arose because the court pointed out the an internal cost- benefit analysis memo at Ford had recommended against implementing an $11 per vehicle fix. Good old Mother Jones magazine obtained a copy of that memo and shared it in their magazine. The pinto had come to be known as the "barbecue that seats four".

We may assume that US auto manufacturers have learned from episodes of that sort. However, Japanese industry executives come from a different cultural mind set.

BajaGringo - 2-16-2010 at 12:27 PM

Let's hope they are fast learners...

mtgoat666 - 2-16-2010 at 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico
I wish we could keep politics out of this.

I find this technically interesting. The SUA (sudden unwanted acceleration) problem has been around for years in the fly-by-wire automotive systems. The article I referenced above stated that Audi experienced it 10 years ago and never figured out exactly what was going wrong so they put in the brake override system to prevent this mysterious digital gremlin from doing harm.

Therefore one can assume that ALL auto manufacturers knew that these digital control mechanisms, that rely on low voltage digital circuits to keep the ones and zeros straight, exhibit unpredictable behavior in the under-the-hood harsh environment.

Toyota and who knows what other manufacturers decided to not implement the fail-safe system. Why not?

And, this kind of stuff is real important to nomads because we drive in real harsh environments far from mechanics who can connect specialized diagnostic equipment to automotive digital control systems to diagnose and fix these high tech problems.

Old fashioned springs and levers are good things, as wessongroup said.

[Edited on 2-16-2010 by k-rico]

in the long run, the free market will be the solution -- don't buy a car without a kill switch. don't buy a car with a push-button ignition (a switch that require unacceptably long 3-seconds to deactivate). don't buy a car that doesn't have redundant system to decrease gas supply when brake is depressed.

in the short run, we need govt regulators to kick some tail at toyota, so they fix the death traps already on the road

free market with tough regulators: democrats will do it. redumblicans won't regulate.

Bajahowodd - 2-16-2010 at 12:59 PM

From what I have read, reports of unexplained acceleration have been known by Toyota dating back to 2004. You could have said the same thing about Ford execs 3 decades ago.

Barry A. - 2-16-2010 at 06:06 PM

Audi had a similar problem in the late 80's & '90's. Cars going thru walls, into swimming pools, etc. etc.. I had an 83' Audi 5000 Turbo at the time, and no recall's, as I remember. Never had a problem that my brakes couldn't solve, tho. The car was kinda squirrly that way tho, and you had to pay attention----always wanted to GO. I loved that car-------went like a bat-out-of-H--L !!! Sold it to an Audi mechanic for almost what I paid for it, after 6 years of fun.

Then there was the Consumers Report on Isuzu Trooper's tipping over (they claimed)---------ruined Isuzu American, and they never recovered. I owned a Trooper at the time, and yes it was tippy------after all it WAS a 4x4, not a race car.

Jeeeezo!!!!! :lol:

Barry

David K - 2-16-2010 at 07:38 PM

Same thing happened to the Jeep CJ-5 (and CJ-7)... 60 minutes showed how 'easy' it was to tip over... (it took numerous attempts, but CBS wouldn't tell you that)! The Wrangler YJ was created with lower stance and a wider track to reduce tip over ability... The media killed the Jeep CJ, around since 1945 and the CJ-5 was born in 1955. For something to be so 'bad', it sure was enjoyed for a lot of years!

805gregg - 2-18-2010 at 08:04 PM

Toyota now up to 34 deaths, they accelerate for no reason, the brakes don't work, the lights turn off while you are driving, and now Camery's have a steering problem, that makes you drive off the road. How do you keep track of well over 8 million recalls? Why would anyone buy this crap. Americans need to send them a message, just stop buying and stop promoting these over rated death traps.

Packoderm - 2-18-2010 at 11:30 PM

David K - 2-19-2010 at 09:26 AM

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Originally posted by 805gregg
Toyota now up to 34 deaths, they accelerate for no reason, the brakes don't work, the lights turn off while you are driving, and now Camery's have a steering problem, that makes you drive off the road. How do you keep track of well over 8 million recalls? Why would anyone buy this crap. Americans need to send them a message, just stop buying and stop promoting these over rated death traps.

That is so sad... is there ANY truth to any of this? Any Nomad Toyota owners have ANY of this happen to them?

The government and its media puppets will do anything to help lacking sales of GM cars!

torch - 2-19-2010 at 09:32 AM

One thing that I know is my brother is selling alot me Fords.

TMW - 2-19-2010 at 04:01 PM

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Originally posted by Packoderm

There may be some truth to that. The other vehicles just stop dead and leave you stranded. Toyota takes you home no matter what.

Bajahowodd - 2-19-2010 at 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
Audi had a similar problem in the late 80's & '90's. Cars going thru walls, into swimming pools, etc. etc.. I had an 83' Audi 5000 Turbo at the time, and no recall's, as I remember. Never had a problem that my brakes couldn't solve, tho. The car was kinda squirrly that way tho, and you had to pay attention----always wanted to GO. I loved that car-------went like a bat-out-of-H--L !!! Sold it to an Audi mechanic for almost what I paid for it, after 6 years of fun.

Then there was the Consumers Report on Isuzu Trooper's tipping over (they claimed)---------ruined Isuzu American, and they never recovered. I owned a Trooper at the time, and yes it was tippy------after all it WAS a 4x4, not a race car.

Jeeeezo!!!!! :lol:

Barry

Hey Barry! What are you driving now? Just so I'll know what to avoid when looking for my next ride. :lol:

805gregg - 2-22-2010 at 08:09 PM

Now internal memos saying how Toyota saved millions by pretending it was the floor mats and thus avoiding a recall for a few years. And on CBS news a scientist duplicated the unwanted acceleration with an electrical short, that didn't throw any check engine codes.

gnukid - 2-22-2010 at 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by David K

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DK Perhaps the idea that partisan interpretations explain all things is short-sighted?

Isn't it possible that labeling ideals as left vs right or liberal vs conservative misses the common ideals we all share and further divides us as a community of like-minded people with common goals and few differences.

Isn't it possible that partisan interpretations are only a political tool to divide, conquer and weaken the common ideals of people over the goals of corporate monopolies?

I wonder if you have given thought to the fallacy of the left-right paradigm? Just a thought.

bonanza bucko - 2-23-2010 at 07:45 AM

I have been looking for a replacement for my high mileage Tundra 4x4. Yesterday, after three days of looking, driving and comparing, I bought a Ford F150 4x4. I have been a Toyota guy for years. I fired Ford long ago for low quality and I found Toyota was high quality.

I think they still are in some cases but......the new Tundra, 2006 to present, is a piece of junk which represents and demonstrates the company's push to gain market share and high profits at the expense of quality and safety. I looked long and hard at both the Tundra and the Tacoma. But Tacoma wasn't big enough and a thorough inspection of the Tundra proved it to be a rattle trap. Example: The bed liner which comes as standard. It is a slide in ABS liner which rattles and bangs everywhere it is hit upon. Ditto the dashboard cover etc. etc.

So long Toyota. I'll think about you in roughly five years when I look for a truck again.

gnukid - 2-23-2010 at 08:13 AM

Just like old die hard Toyota promoters, promoters of dual political parties are in denial of their failure to mind the store. Toyotas are great cars but not without exception, like the left right theme marketing distracts the public from their ideals. Left is right and right is left, Reagan = Bush = Clinton = Bush = Barry Sortero. Notably, there are few differences and vast similarities in the policies Bush versus Obama. But no, the Left vs Right false paradigm traps and sidelines would-be compatriots of like minded ideals, communities lose and corporations gain. Toyota is notably less than concerned with the well being of its constituents just as the two parties are demonstrably less than concerned with the well being of the public.

But, when will the deluded public see that the shadows on the walls are from cutouts, false confrontations from left and right drive policies which harm the individual. Though, the moment this illusion falls and instead of asking or waiting for "leaders" to lead, people see themselves as leaders themselves, then we can break away from this theatre of the absurd.

The problem is well defined, nothing new, we have been warned often, loudly and clearly. Eisenhower and Kennedy warned us, heck Smedley Butler warned us loudly that we are manipulated, harmed and murdered for profit by homicidal multi-generational profiteers.

What will it take to wake up from the delusion that we are divided by left right policies? What will it take to toss aside arrogance and ego to see that when we allow corporate profits to supercede our well being we lose and worse when we turn upon each other under the guise of a left right paradigm we all will lose our health and our ideals.

wessongroup - 2-23-2010 at 08:18 AM

nukid... don't really know.. as the next crop coming up are playing the same game.. and will only fill the empty chairs, offices, committee's, airplanes and other, left by the previous..

and we haven't even talked about the bureaucracy which they fund, they are kinda tied togather ...

very good thought..
[Edited on 2-23-2010 by wessongroup]

[Edited on 2-23-2010 by wessongroup]

gnukid - 2-23-2010 at 08:27 AM

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Originally posted by wessongroup
nukid... don't really know.. as the next crop coming up are playing the same game.. and will only fill the empty chairs, offices, committee's, airplanes and other, left by the previous..

and we haven't even talked about the bureaucracy which they fund, they are kinda tied togather ...

very good thought..

Perhaps if we take a moment to discuss these issues with someone younger than ourselves today, in order to discuss this serious issue, we might learn something and shed some needed light.

monoloco - 2-23-2010 at 08:35 AM

You are right Gnu, the two party system only exists so that we have the illusion of a choice. What really exists is a corporatocracy. The Toyota case perfectly illustrates how the corporate bottom line trumps all else.

k-rico - 2-23-2010 at 08:39 AM

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Originally posted by bonanza bucko
I have been looking for a replacement for my high mileage Tundra 4x4. Yesterday, after three days of looking, driving and comparing, I bought a Ford F150 4x4.

bucko,

Do you know if the Ford is using a electronically controlled throttle system or is the old fashioned mechanical linkage type system used? I don't buy the floor mat, gas pedal explanation for the sudden acceleration problem and if that didn't exist Toyota probably wouldn't be in the news.

Have all manufacturers gone to the "fly-by-wire" throttle system?

tripledigitken - 2-23-2010 at 09:06 AM

krico,

F150's have had it for at least 6 years, mazda, VW, Infiniti have it as well. I would bet most manufactures have gone to Fly By Wire. Steering too is now FBW is some cars, Audi I know has it.

Ken

David K - 2-23-2010 at 09:14 AM

My 2010 Tacoma keeps impressing me with what a superior 4WD system it has... (this is a Tacoma thread, right?).

Sunday, Baja Angel went to the hills north of San Marcos and had a chance to do some serious steep rutted and rocky road (low range)... and the A-TRAC (works like lockers front and rear, but allows easy steering) made the Tacoma climb like tractor!

I even backed into a deep rut on accident and the truck came to rest on the spare and trailer hitch receiver (high centered)... In the past, I would have needed a pull or serious work to get out (I ws on a steep incline). Not now, the Active Traction Control pulled us out with maybe just one or two tires having traction... it was amazing!

I am so happy to have such a capable and powerful truck... Viva Toyota!

k-rico - 2-23-2010 at 09:49 AM

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Originally posted by tripledigitken
krico,

F150's have had it for at least 6 years, mazda, VW, Infiniti have it as well. I would bet most manufactures have gone to Fly By Wire. Steering too is now FBW is some cars, Audi I know has it.

Ken

I suppose there is a good reason to switch from mechanical to electro-mechanical control systems. I wonder what it is.

Hope the FBW steering systems have the bugs worked out. Yikes!

TMW - 2-23-2010 at 04:49 PM

With the multiport fuel injection on modern cars it would be more difficult to use a mechanical control than electrical control. Even the mechanical control would have to revert to electrical control at some point. Modern vehicles use a computer to determine the time the injector is turned on in order to have a clean burn with minimal pollutants. Fly by wire is not new, it's been around for many years. Military jets have used it dating back to the 50s usually with a mechanical backup. I thing the F18 was the first true FBW only jet. There is nothing wrong with such a system in a car or truck but they should have a cutoff or fault related system too. You push on the brake pedal and the feed to the injector should be cut.

Late for work, thanks Toyoga!

Sharksbaja - 2-23-2010 at 06:51 PM

Yep, ever since the recalls started those out-of-control Toyotas have reduced their speed again and again. It appears they feel safe at 30mph.

GOOD GRIEF CHARLIE BROWN! :rolleyes:

OOps forgot to insert insult to the cars themselves... actually I doubt that is necessary. That COO who okayed it to lie is a jerk.

Imagine your mom flying down the road at a 100mph for 6 miles with no way to execute a stop.

Do you still trust what they say David?

[Edited on 2-24-2010 by Sharksbaja]

mulegejim - 2-24-2010 at 08:03 AM

Here is a link to an article in the Los Angeles Times on Tuesday. In about the middle of the article Toyota indicates it will reprogram the computer in several of their vehicles already on the road to override the throttle when the brake pedal in depressed. The recall includes 2005/2010 Tacomas which many nomads may own. I have a 2005 so it will be included. Jim

The link isn't working, however, you can get the idea by the above post or go latimes.com and do a search on"Tacoma recall".

[Edited on 2-24-2010 by mulegejim]

David K - 2-24-2010 at 08:14 AM

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Yep, ever since the recalls started those out-of-control Toyotas have reduced their speed again and again. It appears they feel safe at 30mph.

GOOD GRIEF CHARLIE BROWN! :rolleyes:

Do you still trust what they say David?

[Edited on 2-24-2010 by Sharksbaja]

All I can do is report what I experience, Corky... I am a Toyota driver party because of ALL the Baja amigos/ Nomads now that raved about theirs... I am on Tacoma #3 now, with about 243,000 miles total since 2000. Baja Angel is in her first Toyota with 30,000 miles so far (a 2008 Corolla).

So, between us and ALL the Nomads with Toyotas... I have YET to hear of ANY of US with this accelerator problem.

If it was so widespread, you would think there would be some Nomads who had sudden accelerator syndrome, wouldn't you?

I sure hope none of US has it happen, naturally... but I think it is odd that this all began with the Santee tragidy that was a dealer's LOANER car (Lexus) with TWO floor mats (one on top of the other) that caused the gas pedal to wedge depressed.

[Edited on 2-24-2010 by David K]

bonanza bucko - 2-24-2010 at 08:22 AM

I agree that the accelerator problem sounds a little extreme.....the car takes off at 100+MPH, won't shut down with the key or start button, won't go out of gear, won't stop via the brakes....the car is "alive" and wants to kill you.

If that has really happened we have a very big problem with electronics in Toyotas and we need to stop driving them until the problem is fixed.

But...I gotta say....it's danged convenient to the *&&^^% gummint to shut down the only NON UNION auto maker in the land, the one with the highest quality cars and the hottest selling cars just when that same (*(*&*d gummint has taken over two of the three auto companies because they couldn't compete because of the UNIONS....and lousy, gutless, incompetent, old, tired management.

Barry A. - 2-24-2010 at 02:36 PM

Somebody even testified that, "the rear wheels were spouting gravel"-------referring presumably to excessive excelleration.

Now THAT is fasinating as they were talking about a Camry, and Camry's are front-wheel drive. :rolleyes:

It has all the earmarks of a witchhunt, to me.

Barry

David K - 2-24-2010 at 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
Somebody even testified that, "the rear wheels were spouting gravel"-------referring presumably to excessive excelleration.

Now THAT is fasinating as they were talking about a Camry, and Camry's are front-wheel drive. :rolleyes:

It has all the earmarks of a witchhunt, to me.

Barry

Not only front wheel drive, but limited slip now, as well... :light:

This may be as funny (or sad) as global warming and rising sea levels... to scare people to gain a result.

mulegejim - 2-24-2010 at 03:58 PM

For those that are involved or interested here is an article from the Los Angeles Times.

latimes.com/business/la-fi-toyota-brake24-2010feb24,0,2304143.story
latimes.com
Toyota plans to put brake overrides in new vehicles
By the end of 2010, the firm will begin installing a system that shuts down the engine when the brake and gas pedals are pressed simultaneously. It's an extra safeguard against sudden acceleration.

By Jerry Hirsch

12:34 PM PST, February 23, 2010

Toyota Motor Corp. plans a more aggressive rollout of a system that cuts power to the engine when the brake and gas pedals in a vehicle are pressed at the same time.

The system is meant to be an extra safeguard against the type of sudden-acceleration problems that have prompted the company to recall millions of vehicles worldwide.

The brake override system will be built into most new Toyota models sold in the United States by the end of 2010, the company said.

The announcement came as James Lentz, president of Toyota's U.S. operations, apologized to consumers for the automaker's safety and reliability problems at a hearing of the House Energy and Commerce Committee's investigative subcommittee Tuesday.

"We will install advanced brake override systems in all our new models -- making us one of the first full-line manufacturers to offer this customer-confidence feature as standard equipment," Lentz said in prepared remarks.

He noted that Toyota also planned to install the system on its 2005 to 2010 Tacoma, 2009 and 2010 Venza, and 2008 to 2010 Sequoia models, which because of their electronic components can be reprogrammed with the new software.

Previously Toyota had said it would retrofit the 2007 to 2010 Camry, 2005 to 2010 Avalon, and the 2007 to 2010 Lexus ES 350, 2006 to 2010 IS 350 and 2006 to 2010 IS 250 models.

"These actions underscore that Toyota is going above and beyond making the necessary vehicle modifications and repairs to ensure that our customers can be completely confident in the safety and reliability of the cars and trucks they drive," Lentz said.

The automaker said the brake override system is not an integral part of the recall remedy but, rather, is meant to give drivers an extra measure of confidence.

Toyota has issued about 10 million recall notices worldwide recently, mostly for floor mats that can entrap the gas pedal and for gas pedals that can stick. It has blamed both problems for causing unintended acceleration.

Some experts say the recalls fail to address the core problem behind the unintended acceleration, which they suspect could be a flaw in Toyota's electronic control system.

During questioning by House panel members, Lentz said that the automaker has not found any fault with the electronic throttle control system and does not believe it is the source of the problem.

jerry.hirsch@latimes.com

David K - 2-24-2010 at 04:14 PM

Of course... sales have dropped, so like any business... it will do whatever it takes to get sales back up... (even adding devices that really aren't necessary)... Afterall, the Japanese government is NOT sooo stupid as to give Toyota taxpayer's money or even take over the company!

:lol:

On a serious note, IF there is a problem in the electronics... then you can bet it isn't limited to Toyota... that many other car makers will have the same system... and will make the same corrections/ changes.

I am still waiting to hear from another Nomad Toyota driver whose own personal car had unexpected acceleration....

Bajaboy - 2-24-2010 at 04:22 PM

One of my students lost 4 family members.

I'm not sure why you are so convinced this is not for real? For some reason, I'm guessing Fox news poisoned your thinking, once again.

Zac

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Originally posted by David K
Of course... sales have dropped, so like any business... it will do whatever it takes to get sales back up... (even adding devices that really aren't necessary)... Afterall, the Japanese government is NOT sooo stupid as to give Toyota taxpayer's money or even take over the company!

:lol:

Never Heard of Japan, Inc.?

Bajahowodd - 2-24-2010 at 04:42 PM

"Afterall, the Japanese government is NOT sooo stupid as to give Toyota taxpayer's money or even take over the company!"

:lol:

Give me a break. Back in the eighties that was what it was all about. They were buying up the world because they had government backing.

Oso - 2-24-2010 at 04:50 PM

Well, my 2004 Taco is not on the recall list (yet). I've been over THAT road a few times and so far the only trouble I've had was the driver's seat coming loose. But in all fairness, the former owner (Max) was not exactly a featherweight. I've been happy with it but I only have 45k on it. Now I'm concerned about electronic throttle control. Anybody know if this model has it?

I miss my '53 Willys.

Barry A. - 2-24-2010 at 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
"Afterall, the Japanese government is NOT sooo stupid as to give Toyota taxpayer's money or even take over the company!"

:lol:

Give me a break. Back in the eighties that was what it was all about. They were buying up the world because they had government backing.

??????????????? Please explain that one--------"Government backing"?????????? and I always thought that the Japanese were "buying up the world" because their companies had successful business models and were making money hand over fist. Stupid me.

Barry

Barry

Passing the Buck ?

MrBillM - 2-24-2010 at 05:33 PM

I heard this afternoon on the news that the Gal who tearfully testified before Congress about thinking she was going to die and contemplated ramming the Guardrail to keep anyone else from dying, sold off her Toyota to some other unsuspecting buyer who has since driven 27K with no problem.

?????

Haven't seen any further confirmation.

Sounds like a great story, but True ?

Bajahowodd - 2-24-2010 at 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
"Afterall, the Japanese government is NOT sooo stupid as to give Toyota taxpayer's money or even take over the company!"

:lol:

Give me a break. Back in the eighties that was what it was all about. They were buying up the world because they had government backing.

Barry- Back in the day, one and the same. Hence, Japan, Inc.

Barry A. - 2-24-2010 at 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd

Quote:

Originally posted by Barry A.

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
"Afterall, the Japanese government is NOT sooo stupid as to give Toyota taxpayer's money or even take over the company!"

:lol:

Give me a break. Back in the eighties that was what it was all about. They were buying up the world because they had government backing.

Barry- Back in the day, one and the same. Hence, Japan, Inc.

China is next, along with India. It is just the way it is---------change!!

Make the proper investments and you can share the prosperity!!!

Barry

(edited to correct a spelling error, one that I noticed, anyway) :lol:

[Edited on 2-25-2010 by Barry A.]

k-rico - 2-24-2010 at 07:02 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
I heard this afternoon on the news that the Gal who tearfully testified before Congress about thinking she was going to die and contemplated ramming the Guardrail to keep anyone else from dying, sold off her Toyota to some other unsuspecting buyer who has since driven 27K with no problem.

?????

Haven't seen any further confirmation.

Sounds like a great story, but True ?

From what I've been reading it could very well be true that a car that had SUA once has been fine since. The incidents that can't be explained by floor mats or stuck pedals seem to be due to some intermittant problem with the electronic control system that results in the throttle opening up. The fix that Toyota is putting into place is to add a system that closes the throttle to idle when the brake is applied is a logical one, and one that already has implemented by other automakers.

The question I have is why was it left out in the first place? If you do some digging you'll find out that the Audi 5000 was the first car to encounter these problems back in to 80s. Audi tested and tested their system and could not reproduce the problem in a test environment. But they knew it happened in the real world. They then added the brake override fail safe system.

And, if all this help the US automakers sell cars, GREAT!!

[Edited on 2-25-2010 by k-rico]

805gregg - 2-24-2010 at 07:13 PM

Toyoda expressed remorse at the death of Toyota drivers, shouldn't he be charged with manslaughter? He finally figured out a way to kill Americans without repercussions. Their cars and trucks have already been down graded in the rating companies, in a down economy they will have give away their crap to get rid if them.

k-rico - 2-24-2010 at 07:17 PM

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Originally posted by 805gregg
Toyoda expressed remorse at the death of Toyota drivers, shouldn't he be charged with manslaughter? He finally figured out a way to kill Americans without repercussions. Their cars and trucks have already been down graded in the rating companies, in a down economy they will have give away their crap to get rid if them.

Along those lines, some lawyers are saying if you drive a recalled Toyota and it malfunctions resulting in injury/death of others you could be open to criminal charges. Sounds far-fetched, but........

Bajaboy - 2-24-2010 at 08:51 PM

DK-

You are wrong on so many points but I will highlight the most important one....the throttle got stuck and the CEO of Toyota acknowledged it today on Capitol Hill:
http://www.cbs8.com/global/story.asp?s=12040266

I really am at a loss as to why you are so dismissive of the events at hand. Obviously some commentator went off on a rant about the Obama administration, Toyota, and some sort of conspiracy.

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Originally posted by Bajaboy
One of my students lost 4 family members.

I'm not sure why you are so convinced this is not for real? For some reason, I'm guessing Fox news poisoned your thinking, once again.

Zac

Sorry about your student, was that the Lexus with two floor mats that hung up the gas pedal, in Santee?
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As for you ideas on Fox...

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[Edited on 2-27-2010 by BajaNomad]

Can't wait

bajaguy - 2-24-2010 at 09:01 PM

To buy my 2011 Tundra with a re-engineered system and possibly a lower price!!!!!!

Bajaboy - 2-24-2010 at 09:03 PM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
To buy my 2011 Tundra with a re-engineered system and possibly a lower price!!!!!!

Yes, my thoughts exactly. I have full confidence that Toyota will come back even stronger but will have to discount in order to get people to open their wallets. I'll be in the market in the next year or two and am keeping my fingers crossed.

Barry A. - 2-24-2010 at 09:12 PM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy
DK-

You are wrong on so many points but I will highlight the most important one....the throttle got stuck and the CEO of Toyota acknowledged it today on Capitol Hill:
http://www.cbs8.com/global/story.asp?s=12040266

I really am at a loss as to why you are so dismissive of the events at hand. Obviously some commentator went off on a rant about the Obama administration, Toyota, and some sort of conspiracy.

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Originally posted by David K

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Huh????? No way the Toy CEO admitted anything in that link you imbedded here----------what a strange interpretation of what is written????

This gives me some insight into where you are coming from, tho.

Barry

[Edited on 2-27-2010 by BajaNomad]

Bajaboy - 2-24-2010 at 09:16 PM

I should have included that I also listened to his testimony. While he didn't acknowledge it word for word, a reasonable person would probably come to the same conclusion as I did. I can say one thing for certain, he did not blame a floor mat.

And just for clarification, where am I coming from?

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gnukid - 2-24-2010 at 09:38 PM

I understand that the Toyota CEO did accept fault for actions which led to the problems. This news is well reported in the USA and Nationally, Barry.

... the Toyota president admitted "priorities became confused" at the Japanese company as a result of its expansion. "We pursued growth over the speed at which we were able to develop our people and our organisation, and we should sincerely be mindful of that," he said.

Toyota USA President Looks Lost In Front Of Congress

Akio Toyoda, the grandson of Toyota's founder, yesterday said he regretted the company had failed to put customers first.

"It's taken us too long to come to grips with a rare but serious set of safety issues," Jim Lentz said.

mulegejim - 2-24-2010 at 10:02 PM

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Originally posted by Oso
Well, my 2004 Taco is not on the recall list (yet). I've been over THAT road a few times and so far the only trouble I've had was the driver's seat coming loose. But in all fairness, the former owner (Max) was not exactly a featherweight. I've been happy with it but I only have 45k on it. Now I'm concerned about electronic throttle control. Anybody know if this model has it?

I miss my '53 Willys.

Oso, I have a 2005 Tacoma so have followed this pretty close - so far as I know the problem, whatever it is, started in 2005 for Tacoma. Haven't heard 2004's mentioned anywhere. Jim

Phil S - 2-25-2010 at 08:44 AM

Oso. You miss your '53 Willys?????? I miss my 49 Willys also. My 49 Willys Jeepster. Yellow in color. It was the 'cats meowwwwww'!!!!!
And I was a junior in high school at the time.
Regarding GWB spending Clintons saved $$$$$$$$$. Wasn't that a Republican congress during Clintons term????? If so, how did Clinton manage to do that all by himself???????

805gregg - 2-25-2010 at 08:43 PM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
To buy my 2011 Tundra with a re-engineered system and possibly a lower price!!!!!!

They are way over priced now. They cost as much as a real truck.

mulegejim - 2-25-2010 at 08:44 PM

You talk about getting off topic!!!!!!! Let's stop the political BS. I thought this post was about Toyota vehicles - guess I was wrong.

David K - 2-25-2010 at 10:25 PM

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Originally posted by mulegejim
You talk about getting off topic!!!!!!! Let's stop the political BS. I thought this post was about Toyota vehicles - guess I was wrong.

Yes indeed!

Here is the name of this thread: 2010 Toyota Tacoma Recall

I have a 2010 Tacoma.

Other than to make sure I don't have two floor mats under my gas pedal, there is no notice, TSB or recall for my truck. Some trucks did have a driveshaft recall with driveshafts made by the Dana Corp. for Toyota.

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