I'm familiar with the practice of using ones mother's maiden name in Mexico; however I've run across a name I'm not sure about : Anita Ma. de Jose Garcia Arce
Does "Ma. de" mean wife of? and if so, does 'Garcia Arce' refer to Jose or Anita? Is the practice of using 'Ma. de' used on legal documents?
Wouldn't Anita have to say her name is Anita (mother's maiden name) Arce, if Arce is her husband's paternal name?
By the way, I've changed the names so let's not start going sideways here.arrowhead - 2-24-2010 at 08:39 AM
Ma. is the usual abbreviation for "Maria." Married women add a "de xxxxxx" to their last names, where xxxxx is their husband's name. For instance, if
your name was Bill Smith and your wife's name was Jane Jones, her married name in most Latin countries ( but not all) would be Jane Jones de Smith.
The children of the marriage take both the father's and mother's name. So if you had a son named Bob, his name would be Bob Smith Jones. There is a
whole system and order to it, and they actually add in the names of the paternal grandparents and maternal grandparents going back generations. Not
unheard of for a person to have a legal name with 16 names in it.
Another interesting item. When woman becomes a widow, here name is "viuda de". So if Bill Jones signed off, Jane's name would be Jane Jones viuda de
Smith.
[Edited on 2-24-2010 by arrowhead]Santiago - 2-24-2010 at 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by arrowhead
Ma. is the usual abbreviation for "Maria." Married women add a "de xxxxxx" to their last names, where xxxxx is their husband's name. For instance, if
your name was Bill Smith and your wife's name was Jane Jones, her married name in most Latin countries ( but not all) would be Jane Jones de Smith.
So if her given name is "Anita Maria" and everything after the 'de' is her husband, where is her mother's maiden name, the 'Jones' in your example?
This, by the way, was on a letter head of her business so I'm assuming there is some importance or formality to this.DENNIS - 2-24-2010 at 09:12 AM
I'm sure I've seen cases where a woman with an important name will put here maiden name before the husbands name. Perhaps it was with a marriage of
the president and his super wealthy bride. Fox?
I also think that the abbreviation for Maria, Ma, has to lead the litany of names to follow.
I get a big gagging kick out of US expats who move down here and start adding their maiden name to the marriage name.
[Edited on 2-24-2010 by DENNIS]irenemm - 2-24-2010 at 10:21 PM
Ma de Jose is Mary of Joseph
Also Ma de Jesus Mary and Jesus
has to do with the Bibleecomujeres - 2-25-2010 at 05:59 PM
Here is clarification of the woman's name:
First Name is: Anita
Second/middle name is: Ma. de Jose (Maria de Jose)
Father's Name: Garcia
Mother's Name: Arce
It is common to have names that include de somebody, and this is usually a biblical reference or saint's name, etc.
other examples would be: Maria de los Angeles, Maria de la LuzSantiago - 2-25-2010 at 09:57 PM
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Originally posted by ecomujeres
Here is clarification of the woman's name:
First Name is: Anita
Second/middle name is: Ma. de Jose (Maria de Jose)
Father's Name: Garcia
Mother's Name: Arce
It is common to have names that include de somebody, and this is usually a biblical reference or saint's name, etc.
other examples would be: Maria de los Angeles, Maria de la Luz
Ah - I see that in changing the names to protect her identity that I've muddled it a bit: Jose in my example is really Jesus: so Mary de Jesus would
make sense.
ThanksDENNIS - 2-26-2010 at 05:53 AM
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Originally posted by Santiago
Mary de Jesus
María de ChuyELINVESTIG8R - 2-26-2010 at 06:10 AM
Here are a couple of examples they used with Mama Espinoza.
Anita Grosso Widow of Espinoza
Anita Grosso of Espinoza oldlady - 2-26-2010 at 07:31 AM
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Originally posted by DENNIS
I get a big gagging kick out of US expats who move down here and start adding their maiden name to the marriage name.
[Edited on 2-24-2010 by DENNIS]
I execute an effective version of the Heimlich manuever.shari - 2-26-2010 at 07:47 AM
I understood that the "de" means "of" denoting possession...for example in my case it is Shari bondy de Arce ....which means shari is Juan's
property...NOT! like casa de Miguel...is possessive...MIke's house....but when you say it that way, it's not too bad.....Juan's Shari...hmmm.
LIke many things mexicano...at first I was very offended and didnt like it.
I hated it when they called me "guera" at first but learned to accept it because it just means "white girl" and is not intended to be offensive and
they often used it because they couldnt pronounce my name.
Here there are few names for lots of people so if you ask about a certain Maria for example, the only way to figure out who you are talking about is
to ask...maria de jesus? kinda like...do you mean Jesus's Mary?....get it?Santiago - 2-26-2010 at 08:54 AM
Got it. "Guera Shari", has a nice ring to it, eh?
The 'de' only comes into play after marriage, correct?
Before marrige = given name, mother's maiden name, father's family name.
After marriage = given name, de, husband's given name, husband's family name.
As widow = same as above but insert Vda. where the 'de' is.
And on a related subject: mexican men nearly always have nick names but I've never heard a woman have a nick name. Por que? Do mexican women give
their friends names like the men do?DENNIS - 2-26-2010 at 08:56 AM
Hey Shari....Did Juan ask you to get one of these?
dennis....Juan did leave his mark on me though...via a nice "cheek" tatoo...he kidded me and said he put his name on there....NOT!
santigo...correct you are...not as many woman have nick names...but the men have given women some nicknames but dont use them in front of them...one
funny one is for our woman who cooks lobster dinners who many of you know...her nickname (she probably doesnt know it) is pezsol...or sunfish. those
of you who know her...know why.ecomujeres - 3-1-2010 at 12:13 PM
Couple of points:
1. The original question about Ma. de Jose Garcia Arce.
the "de José" has nothing to do with being José's María. It literally translates to Mary of Joseph, and is a biblical reference to Jesus' mother
Mary, so "our" María above was named (at birth) Maria after Jesus' mother.
Since Mary is a common name, and Spanish speakers often use biblical or saint's names, it is very common to point out as part of a given name which
Mary is being referred to, hence María de la Luz, María de los Ángeles, María de José, etc. This has nada que ver (nothing to do with) their
relationship to their husbands.
2. Usually when a woman incorporates her husband's name into her name, it comes after her father's name.
So for Mama Espinosa:
María (her given name) Grosso (her dad's name) de Espinosa (her husband's name). Mother's last name is thus dropped in favor of husband's, though it
too may be retained.
¿Está bien?
[Edited on 3-2-2010 by ecomujeres]DENNIS - 3-1-2010 at 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by ecomujeres
¿Está bien?
Gets more complicated every day. I'm just gonna stick with, "Hey, you."
