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US Agents to be embeded in Mexico

comitan - 2-24-2010 at 01:39 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02...

[Edited on 2-24-2010 by comitan]

DENNIS - 2-24-2010 at 01:43 PM

Excellent. The level of trust is rising.

Bajahowodd - 2-24-2010 at 02:12 PM

I note that the article states that Calderon and his people claim that more than 17,000 people killed in the drug wars were either traffickers or other types of criminals. If true, it seems to me that Mexico has saved a ton of Pesos that it would have spent on trials and incarceration.

ELINVESTIG8R - 2-24-2010 at 02:42 PM

Finally! Mexico is a great country that does need our help and I am most greatful we are helping them!

Agents imbedded in Mexico

Loretana - 2-24-2010 at 03:27 PM

Guess what? The DEA has been operating in Mexico for years, back to the era of the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs.

I lived in Oaxaca from 1976 to 1982 and met a DEA agent masquerading as a medical student. When it finally came down to pillow talk, he told me all about it. He was actually a very intelligent likeable guy, for a cop.

It's the information that the DEA is supplying to the Armada/Marina here in Mexico that is taking some of the cartel capos out. I consider that very good news. :dudette:

Plus, we can grow our own mota in the US and not have to feed the drug monster prohibition that has caused the proliferation of violence, both here in Mexico and abroad. IMHO.

Bajahowodd - 2-24-2010 at 04:39 PM

I think what you have described is the difference between covert and overt.

mulegemichael - 2-24-2010 at 06:46 PM

whatever?

Loretana - 2-24-2010 at 07:20 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I think what you have described is the difference between covert and overt.

Well, the situation is, these guys (the DEA agents) are actually straight, not like their Mexican counterparts. And I don't say that to make my adopted country look bad. But we all know what has been going on in Mexico for years.

An American DEA Agent is at least a G-16 and makes between 92 and 150K per year, for a foreign posting. Now the gringos (read - State Department) are pressuring the Procuradaria General de la Republica via the Merida Initiative to accept foreign intelligence agents into the country to bust these narco-terrorists on our terms. I'm all for it.

Covert, overt, who cares? Trying to be covert and overt at the same time is what got Kiki Camarena killed. You have to join one team and stick to it.

josie - 2-24-2010 at 07:35 PM

When I read the article it said:

"recent graduates of the new Mexican federal police academy who were trained by FBI and DEA advisers as part of the U.S. aid package."

I think that is a good idea as they will be working with new officers out of the academy and hopefully they will get them trained and working in the right direction. I think this is very positive news!

mulegemichael - 2-24-2010 at 08:22 PM

let's hope..ya know the saying?..."show me da money!"

Baja&Back - 2-25-2010 at 07:51 AM

How deeply embedded??
Waist? Neck? Fully committed??
:lol:

Woooosh - 2-25-2010 at 09:31 AM

Many of my Mexican neighbors thought I was CIA when I moved here. The local police have saluted me. Even a border patrol agent saluted me last time I went through Otay Mesa. Either I look like somebody else or covert US intelligence resources have been here a lot longer than I thought they had been.

DENNIS - 2-25-2010 at 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
Many of my Mexican neighbors thought I was CIA when I moved here. The local police have saluted me. Even a border patrol agent saluted me last time I went through Otay Mesa. Either I look like somebody else or covert US intelligence resources have been here a lot longer than I thought they had been.

Salute? I don't know, Woooosh. I've never even seen the military salute each other and when they do, it may take a different form than what we're used to seeing.
What looks like a salute that you see may be the cultural sign of respect, that of raising the hand near the forehead in a manner that signifies doffing the hat. In fact, I think that's where our rendition of the salute came from.
It is a salute, in a way, but not exactly the same as our military sign of respect.
Seems you just have a likeable face, Woooosh. SALUD

[Edited on 2-25-2010 by DENNIS]

The Gull - 2-25-2010 at 11:04 AM

Wooosh,

With this last posting coupled with your long list of other famous exploits, you have removed all doubt about your mental state.

"Many of my Mexican neighbors thought I was CIA when I moved here. The local police have saluted me. Even a border patrol agent saluted me last time I went through Otay Mesa. Either I look like somebody else or covert US intelligence resources have been here a lot longer than I thought they had been."

mtgoat666 - 2-25-2010 at 11:08 AM

yankee imperialists!

embeded cia, dea, spooks, covert agents,etc.

nothing good will come of this,... next time war mongering republicans get into white house they will use covert operatives for nefarious activities.

mtgoat666 - 2-25-2010 at 11:11 AM

Quote:

woooshie:
the midle finger is not a salute :lol:

arrowhead - 2-25-2010 at 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mtgoat666
yankee imperialists!....next time war mongering republicans get into white house ...

1917 - US declares war on Germany. President is Democrat Woodrow Wilson.

1941 - US declares war on Japan and Germand. President is Democrat Franklin D. Rossevelt.

1950 - US commits troops to support North Korea War. President is Democrat Harry S. Truman

1961 - Bay of Pigs Invasion of Cuba. President is Democrat John F. Kennedy.

1961 - US commits combat troops to Viet Nam, despite Eisenhower's admonitions to stay out of fray. President is Democrat John F. Kennedy. Prior to his assassination, Kennedy had developed a disengagement policy to get US out of Viet Nam (NSAM 263, Oct.11, 1963)

1963 - US throws its entire weight into the Viet Nam War. President is Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson, who reverses Kennedy's disengagement plan and expands the war with his own NSAM 273, Nov 26, 1963)

1994 - US intervention in Haiti. President is Democrat Bill Clinton.

1995 - US intervention in Bosnia. President is Democrat Bill Clinton.

1999 - Us intervention if Kosovo. President is Democrat Bill Clinton.

Woooosh - 2-25-2010 at 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Gull
Wooosh,

With this last posting coupled with your long list of other famous exploits, you have removed all doubt about your mental state.

"Many of my Mexican neighbors thought I was CIA when I moved here. The local police have saluted me. Even a border patrol agent saluted me last time I went through Otay Mesa. Either I look like somebody else or covert US intelligence resources have been here a lot longer than I thought they had been."

Nice flyover Gull. I do agree the salute was originally a visor-raising gesture after a medieval jousting event. They were heavy so I do think it would have taken more than one finger I think. My last one finger salute cost me about 500 pesos. LOL

Salute History

bajaguy - 2-26-2010 at 08:43 AM

http://www.qmmuseum.lee.army.mil/history/vignettes/respect1....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salute

[Edited on 2-26-2010 by bajaguy]

Nope, not yet

bajaguy - 2-26-2010 at 08:46 AM

U.S. law enforcement 'won't embed' within Mexican police

There are no plans to have American agents embedded within Mexican units

CNN.com

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Increased cooperation with the United States in the fight against Mexican drug cartels is vital, but American agents will always be limited on their actions in the country, Mexico's interior ministry said Wednesday.

The statement was part of a flurry of reaffirmations of where the United States and Mexico stand with each other in relation to anti-drug operations in Mexico, spurred by a Washington Post report that U.S. agents would be embedded with Mexican law enforcement units.

The newspaper, citing unnamed officials from both countries, posited that the unprecedented levels of violence in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, is pushing the neighboring nations to cooperate ever closer.

Military and municipal police spokesmen in Juarez said they had read the report, but they officially had no comment on coordinated efforts.

Diplomatic officials denied there are plans to have American intelligence officials embedded with Mexican units.

"I want to absolutely clarify that the United States does not have operations in Mexico, [and] doesn't have field agents from U.S. security forces that are operating in Mexico," U.S. Ambassador to Mexico Carlos Pascual said. "What we have are people who work there as advisers to share intelligence information, something that is absolutely normal between the two sides and something we have done for a long time."

His counterpart, Mexican Ambassador to the United States Arturo Sarukhan, said, "At no point do we intend to infringe, violate or modify the laws that govern the presence of foreign agents, in this case Americans."

Mexican law has explicit rules about what foreign agents in their country can and cannot do.

According to the interior ministry, foreign functionaries in Mexico can only share information and coordinate with their Mexican counterparts.

"These rules have not been modified nor has their modification been contemplated," the statement said.

The ministry added that combating organized crime in Mexico is a shared responsibility between the two countries, and that increased cooperation, within the framework of current laws, is a desired thing.

"International cooperation is a complementary factor to national efforts," the statement said.

U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration spokesman Lawrence Payne echoed that statement.

"We've worked together on historically successful cases and record-breaking numbers of extraditions," he said. "We have assisted them and supported them as much as possible. Nothing has changed from our standpoint."

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DENNIS - 2-26-2010 at 09:03 AM

It's kinda silly to assume they would be telling us anyway. I doubt either side would consider info like this as a "need to know" issue for the public.

DeJa Vu

Sharksbaja - 2-27-2010 at 03:10 AM

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What we have are people who work there as advisers to share intelligence information, something that is absolutely normal between the two sides and something we have done for a long time

WTF?