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Scary robbery in Cabo

nobaddays - 3-12-2010 at 07:15 AM

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Charlotte-couple-robbed-durin...

k-rico - 3-12-2010 at 07:33 AM

Scary is right, armed robbery by a group of rateros, too bad they didn't tell the police about it.

Also unfortunate that the guy was walking around at night with a $1000 cash in his pocket.

[Edited on 3-12-2010 by k-rico]

Timo1 - 3-12-2010 at 07:36 AM

hmmmmm....walking around at 11:30 pm with $1000 cash
Smart ???.....NOT!!!!!
Doesn't matter where

Hook - 3-12-2010 at 08:11 AM

A thousand bucks in Cabo while on vacation doesnt sound like too much walking around money to me.

A thousand dollars ain't worth what it used to be...............

k-rico - 3-12-2010 at 08:17 AM

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Originally posted by Hook
A thousand bucks in Cabo while on vacation doesnt sound like too much walking around money to me.

A thousand dollars ain't worth what it used to be...............

Really?? Next time you're in TJ let me know, we'll hit some clubs together. LOTS of fun with a 1000 bucks to blow.

jodiego - 3-12-2010 at 08:32 AM

"A Charlotte couple is home from vacation with a warning for anyone headed to Mexico for spring break."

Again we see the press villifying an entire country because of a crime that could and does happen all over the world every single day.

Woooosh - 3-12-2010 at 08:35 AM

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Originally posted by k-rico
Scary is right, armed robbery by a group of rateros, too bad they didn't tell the police about it.

Also unfortunate that the guy was walking around at night with a $1000 cash in his pocket.

[Edited on 3-12-2010 by k-rico]

With five masked men with their hands up the lady's skirt and abusing her while they poked a gun in the husbands face- I'd have thrown them the money and left town fast too. They suspected their hotel had "set them up". You can't market a high-end resort to high-end tourists and then not expect them to carry cash. He wasn't flashing a Rolex or anything.

I saw in El Mex the TJ tourist zone merchants are banding together and are considering hiring their own private security to protect tourists. This may be the new security trend since no one, including merchants and tourists, trust the police to protect them.

"Again we see the press villifying an entire country because of a crime that could and does happen all over the world every single day." Huh? Where do you go for vacation... ? This isn't an inner city crime- it's a crime specifically against vulnerable tourists encouraged to visit Baja by Mexico.

[Edited on 3-12-2010 by Woooosh]

DENNIS - 3-12-2010 at 08:45 AM

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Originally posted by jodiego
Again we see the press villifying an entire country because of a crime that could and does happen all over the world every single day.

How should the story be treated? Or, would it be better to ignore it?

DENNIS - 3-12-2010 at 08:48 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh

I saw in El Mex the TJ tourist zone merchants are banding together and are considering hiring their own private security to protect tourists. This may be the new security trend since no one, including merchants and tourists, trust the police to protect them.

And how do they intend to screen the new security forces? Maybe they'll share their techniques with the local police.

jodiego - 3-12-2010 at 08:53 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by jodiego
Again we see the press villifying an entire country because of a crime that could and does happen all over the world every single day.

How should the story be treated? Or, would it be better to ignore it?

I guess there's not a whole lot going on in Charlotte. If it were a couple from Miami or New York City, would it even be a story?

Woooosh - 3-12-2010 at 08:55 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by jodiego
Again we see the press villifying an entire country because of a crime that could and does happen all over the world every single day.

How should the story be treated? Or, would it be better to ignore it?

It's very bad timing ahead of Spring Break.

A very unfortunate incident that no one will want repeated to them. Tourists have so many options that it doesn't take much to make them tick Mexico off of their destination list. It's really not even a great bargain anymore in comparison to other warm-water destinations. So I see why the locals would be upset- another tourist season likely damaged by this depending on how many news outlets run it. Luckily for Mexico- advance hotel/vacation deposits are usually non-refundable...

monoloco - 3-12-2010 at 08:55 AM

This guy was pretty dumb if he was walking around with $1000 in his WALLET, any savvy traveler knows to only keep a small amount in the wallet and hide the rest. I think it was stupid to not report the incident and at least give the cops a chance to solve the crime. He sure didn't do any favors for other potential victims of this group. I wonder, if he had been mugged on the streets of Charlotte, would he have left town and not reported it? This guy's story sounds a little suspicious to me.

Woooosh - 3-12-2010 at 08:57 AM

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Originally posted by jodiego

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by jodiego
Again we see the press villifying an entire country because of a crime that could and does happen all over the world every single day.

How should the story be treated? Or, would it be better to ignore it?

I guess there's not a whole lot going on in Charlotte. If it were a couple from Miami or New York City, would it even be a story?

A robbery no. A gang sexual assault and robbery on a visiting tourist, yes.

What???

Dave - 3-12-2010 at 09:02 AM

They were met at the plane by reporters?

Me thinks that thou doth protest too much.

There's more to this story than we will probably ever know. :rolleyes:

jodiego - 3-12-2010 at 09:03 AM

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Originally posted by monoloco
This guy was pretty dumb if he was walking around with $1000 in his WALLET, any savvy traveler knows to only keep a small amount in the wallet and hide the rest. I think it was stupid to not report the incident and at least give the cops a chance to solve the crime. He sure didn't do any favors for other potential victims of this group. I wonder, if he had been mugged on the streets of Charlotte, would he have left town and not reported it? This guy's story sounds a little suspicious to me.

I would hate to think what would have happened to them if he didn't have that kind of money.

k-rico - 3-12-2010 at 09:06 AM

Wooooooooooooooooosh,

You said he wasn't flashing a Rolex, how do you know? And of course you believe his theory that the hotel employee set him up.

Maybe they just left a bar where he opened his wallet and the bad guys saw inside. Maybe he was drunk and flashing the wad. Maybe he just walked away from an ATM machine and was followed.

Was he in a lighted area with others around or was he prowling around a back street?

Afterall he was dumb enough to have a $1000 dollars in his wallet and leave his belongings behind when he left town.

The fact is you don't know.

[Edited on 3-12-2010 by k-rico]

Mexican Judo

Dave - 3-12-2010 at 09:09 AM

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Originally posted by k-rico

The fact is you don't know.

Judo know eef they had guns... Judo know eef they had knives...

Judo know.

k-rico - 3-12-2010 at 09:14 AM

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Originally posted by Dave

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The fact is you don't know.

Judo know eef they had guns... Judo know eef they had knives...

Judo know.

Speaking of Jews Dave, I've been meaning to ask you a question.

Does your mind short circuit when you see bacon on sale for 1/2 price?

just kidding, it's a joke, don't get mad.

Woooosh - 3-12-2010 at 09:24 AM

Man- this thread is taking a twist I didn't expect... bacon?

oldjack - 3-12-2010 at 09:25 AM

I hesitated to post a comment about this incident(because I did not want to put up with the rash of crap that comes from some bashers that lurk about here) but the fact that he had $1000 in his possession is a small point.... the couple was not "stupid" they had probably save for quite awhile and made a decision to visit Cabo... the scum that robbed/assaulted them were lucky and found $1000... they overly succeeded in "taking down" an unarmed tourist who is left unprotected in one of the shinest hoar houses in Mexico.... and I like Mexico... but am ashamed of what has become of several of the big tourists spots.... there is no indication that the event would have happened any differently had the man been carrying $20pesos... this is a big loss for everyone who has an infinity for Baja....

Laugh all you want...

Dave - 3-12-2010 at 09:26 AM

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Originally posted by k-rico

Speaking of Jews Dave, I've been meaning to ask you a question.

Does your mind short circuit when you see bacon on sale for 1/2 price?

just kidding, it's a joke, don't get mad.

But if that were me who was robbed they would have gotten a check.

durrelllrobert - 3-12-2010 at 09:26 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh

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Originally posted by k-rico
Scary is right, armed robbery by a group of rateros, too bad they didn't tell the police about it.

:smug:

we all know that only the police have guns in MX so the robbers must have been the police :lol:

[Edited on 3-12-2010 by k-rico]

With five masked men with their hands up the lady's skirt and abusing her while they poked a gun in the husbands face- I'd have thrown them the money and left town fast too.

More proof: Only the police wear masks in MX and they would never abuse the man either :lol:

[Edited on 3-12-2010 by durrelllrobert]

Woooosh - 3-12-2010 at 09:35 AM

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Originally posted by k-rico
Wooooooooooooooooosh,

You said he wasn't flashing a Rolex, how do you know? And of course you believe his theory that the hotel employee set him up.

Maybe they just left a bar where he opened his wallet and the bad guys saw inside. Maybe he was drunk and flashing the wad. Maybe he just walked away from an ATM machine and was followed.

Was he in a lighted area with others around or was he prowling around a back street?

Afterall he was dumb enough to have a $1000 dollars in his wallet and leave his belongings behind when he left town.

The fact is you don't know.

[Edited on 3-12-2010 by k-rico]

Tell you what. Take a walk around that hotel at night and see what happens. Since these tourists did not report it- the crooks are still out there. Mexico won't look into it.

IMO, it isn't the robbery that will give this story legs. It is the van, masked men, mild pistol whipping and sexual assault. She won't ever be able to take enough baths to cleanse herself from this. A man being forced to watch this happen to his wife is something every male dreads- it's totally emasculating.

So the best to to not be victimized in Mexico is simply not to go there. This couple was young and he didn't look like a pushover. This was actually the best possible ending for that situation- throw the money and run. I'm sure the Charlotte news bureau had nothing else to report. If they had lived or landed in LAX, it probably would not have been covered at all.

I have family in NC and the people there are overwhelmed by the huge Mexican migration. That made it easy to pile on- but doesn't change what happened.

Woooosh - 3-12-2010 at 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by durrelllrobert

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Originally posted by Woooosh

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Originally posted by k-rico
Scary is right, armed robbery by a group of rateros, too bad they didn't tell the police about it.

:smug:

we all know that only the police have guns in MX so the robbers must have been the police :lol:

[Edited on 3-12-2010 by k-rico]

With five masked men with their hands up the lady's skirt and abusing her while they poked a gun in the husbands face- I'd have thrown them the money and left town fast too.

More proof: Only the police wear masks in MX and they would never abuse the man either :lol:

[Edited on 3-12-2010 by durrelllrobert]

woooosh adds: please don't edit my posts quotes. My "quotes" are my quotes... just type under it. I don't care how you respond to a post- but leave my original message alone please, even if you're being supportive. I get in enough trouble on my own thanks.

[Edited on 3-12-2010 by Woooosh]

arrowhead - 3-12-2010 at 09:58 AM

Boy, some people here are going to have us believing this whole incident was entirely the fault of the American couple and those 5 poor disadvantaged Mexicans were "compelled" to rob them and grope the woman. It is all America's fault.

:rolleyes:

bajaguy - 3-12-2010 at 10:13 AM

We will never know all of the facts, however doing nothing is never an option.

Iflyfish - 3-12-2010 at 10:22 AM

These folks are typical naive midwestern american tourists and their degredation and robbery will cost not only Cabo, but mexico dearly.

If those guys were wearing masks then there is a premeditation involved. The fact that this was not reported, and they were successful, forshadows more to come.

I hope we read at some point about these guys being arrested, tried and jailed. Even with that it will take a long time to renew the faith in their security for people who have watched this video. Sad incident for these poor people and for Mexico. Makes me sad.

It seems now that everyone I talk with here in the USofA about my love of Mexico and travel there that they ALWAYS say in wonder "You feel safe there!?"

The thousand dollars these folks lost is a drop in the bucket of tourist dollars that are not being spent in Mexico. There are indeed other places for people to go and prices are lower than ever to do so.

Iflyfish

edited for trypo

[Edited on 3-12-2010 by Iflyfish]

DENNIS - 3-12-2010 at 11:16 AM

It's unbelievable how many people are still insisting that the "Ideal Mexico" still exists, if ever it did. There's more crime on the streets today than ever before and it always existed to a degree.

It's interesting that those, for the most part, who don't live here and occasionally visit are the most vocal in defense of the Idyllic State.
Well, it isn't here. It's mainly in their Corona addled mind.
Safe haven for some, I'm sure.

Gnukid...

Dave - 3-12-2010 at 11:18 AM

For the sake of convenience, why don't you just open a bank?

Withdrawals only. :rolleyes:

DianaT - 3-12-2010 at 11:26 AM

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That is what they did in Tela, Honduras when we were living in Honduras. The beaches and streets in Tela were extremely unsafe, especially at night, and the police worse than worthless. One Peace Corp member we knew who had next to no money was robbed in broad daylight on the main street---happened all the time.

So, the merchants, hotel owners, etc. hired private thugs to police the beaches so at least they were safe for the tourists. It was, however, difficult to tell the good thugs from the bad thugs.

Also, we would hire one of the street boys to watch our vehicle when we were there---a little insurance. The street children really were heart breakers, but that is a different story.

In regards to this story, it still always amazes me when so many want to blame the victim. Yes, caution should be used traveling ANYWHERE, but IMHO, I cannot blame the victim for the crime of others.

[Edited on 3-12-2010 by DianaT]

DID SOMEONE SAY BACON?

tripledigitken - 3-12-2010 at 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
Man- this thread is taking a twist I didn't expect... bacon?

Woooosh - 3-12-2010 at 11:53 AM

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I had not thought of "re-training" the narcos from moving drugs to being private security. Interesting. I'm sure they will miss their weapons and tactics otherwise and this would keep their "culture" intact. They could even take care crooked cops and heads would roll. Hmmm....

[Edited on 3-12-2010 by Woooosh]

k-rico - 3-12-2010 at 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
It's unbelievable how many people are still insisting that the "Ideal Mexico" still exists.

Who said that?

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Originally posted by DENNIS
It's mainly in their Corona addled mind.

It is gnarly stuff, especially if a bit warm. YUK!

[Edited on 3-12-2010 by k-rico]

arrowhead - 3-12-2010 at 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico

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Originally posted by DENNIS
It's unbelievable how many people are still insisting that the "Ideal Mexico" still exists.

Who said that?

Fulano. That guy sure gets around.
:biggrin:

arrowhead - 3-12-2010 at 12:12 PM

gnukid, tell everybody how many of these many robbery incidents in BCS you have described were reported to the police...and why.

I'm just saying that because some people here think the story is bogus because the victims did not report the robbery to the police.

arrowhead - 3-12-2010 at 12:14 PM

The way the "bacon" joke goes is like this:

"What is the biggest dilemma a Jew will every face?"

"Free bacon."

Woooosh - 3-12-2010 at 12:25 PM

That Gnukid post was serious? We have a parade of Auxiliary Police who knock on our door for "co-operation" money. 50 pesos a pop and we get a receipt. Seems easier that way.

Woooosh - 3-12-2010 at 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by arrowhead
The way the "bacon" joke goes is like this:

"What is the biggest dilemma a Jew will every face?"

"Free bacon."

Try that with Turkey Bacon and see what happens. You'll likely be trampled by the stampede.

Jewish mother's dilemma

Dave - 3-12-2010 at 12:34 PM

Gay son...Dating doctor.

mtgoat666 - 3-12-2010 at 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by arrowhead

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Originally posted by k-rico

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Originally posted by DENNIS
It's unbelievable how many people are still insisting that the "Ideal Mexico" still exists.

Who said that?

Fulano. That guy sure gets around.
:biggrin:

Nancy,
I thought that you were Fulano.

DENNIS - 3-12-2010 at 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by arrowhead

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Originally posted by k-rico

Who said that?

Fulano. That guy sure gets around.
:biggrin:

I guess I'm gonna have to start using this: ........©........ :lol:

arrowhead - 3-12-2010 at 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
Nancy,
I thought that you were Fulano.

Keep it up Goat.

[Edited on 3-12-2010 by arrowhead]

Dave - 3-12-2010 at 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
I am late for surfing.

This explains everything. :rolleyes:

My apologies for thinking you're delusional.

mtgoat666 - 3-12-2010 at 01:03 PM

Ms Nancy Fulano:
Looks delicious :bounce:

Yum, yum

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Originally posted by arrowhead

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Nancy,
I thought that you were Fulano.

Keep it up Goat.

[Edited on 3-12-2010 by arrowhead]

Woooosh - 3-12-2010 at 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid

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gnukid, tell everybody how many of these many robbery incidents in BCS you have described were reported to the police...and why.

I'm just saying that because some people here think the story is bogus because the victims did not report the robbery to the police.

First off Head I owe you nothing, you provide no benefit to me and have no good intentions as far as I can tell.

Knowing you, you are glee-full to hear of crimes on innocents. So shove it.

I have reported crimes-too many. I have participated in a cleansing that I am proud of and can affect change in a specific neighborhood but I can not manage all of BCS.

I also posted reports here. When I did I was ridiculed much as you are doing now. So I am a bad guy for speaking up, right? Vicitmize the victims, right Head?

The problem is clear, every small crime is related to bigger criminals as was stated by a TJ police chief recently. The truth is no one will prosecute real criminals due to fear unless they feel more fear by not acting.

You recall the AG of BCS just quit over a case of non-prosecution? etc... etc...

I have sat inside the dark inner rooms of the Policia Ministerial surrounded by guns and bleary-eyed commandantes starring blankly back at me. But through some simple emotion and logic I convinced them to act in a few cases on behalf of the children and seniors and our future. I am proud to see positive progress.

People like yourself, DK and many others here have made threatening statements to me, which certainly discourages the community strength of this community - which is likely your perverse goal. Why?

Perhaps some of you recall the time I went before a federal judge who hears cases of local corruption, at the time I was on the stand my phone rang, it was the corrupt guys calling me, the judge said put it on speaker, the bad guys were calling me to ask me to meet to exchange money for stolen items, I agreed they told me to me them in MP. This wasn't fun as it became public record with them trying to victimize me over over but I survived and that's likely why I know them so well.

There are many many people in jail and many more on their way due to our efforts or at least they will have to leave town but it wasn't very fun process and I likely won't do it again.

I remember the time... heck I am late for surfing.

Please keep posting the truth. We all know many serious crimes in Mexico go unreported- but not necessarily ignored. That's why I think crimes stats are not very useful. I know I did not formally report four serious crimes against our family. We took care of three of them ourselves- through personal channels. The other was out of our hands. It's the way things get fixed down here for now without endangering your family even more. Hopefully that will change with time.

DENNIS - 3-12-2010 at 01:22 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
We all know many serious crimes in Mexico go unreported-

Traditionally they went unreported because it was more often than not the police who commited the crime. If it wasn't the police, it was their cousins. The victim couldn't win.
Years ago, I had a Mexican buddy who had his house robbed of a few items including a cassette player. He reported it and the police found the bandidos, recovering the stolen property. My bud was asked to go to the station and identify the cassette player, which he did.
Asking if he could retrieve his property, he was met with wide-eyed disbelief from the police who said "No Way"....this is evidence.
Bud asks when he can have his property and was told, "Never, Sr. Pendejo. It will be evidence forever."
Nice place.

k-rico - 3-12-2010 at 01:59 PM

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I am late for surfing.

This explains everything. :rolleyes:

My apologies for thinking you're delusional.

The implication being surfers are delusional. Don't you know work is for people who can't surf - that would be you.

So get to work at that kosher deli you opened in the ejido, talk about delusions - jeez.

Maybe you should learn how to shoot pool.

All in good fun Davey. :spingrin:

Woooosh - 3-12-2010 at 02:08 PM

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We all know many serious crimes in Mexico go unreported-

On the flip side, I am sure many serious crimes against Mexican immigrants in the USA go unreported for various reasons as well. Maybe it's a statistical wash.

Sorry, that wasn't my intent

Dave - 3-12-2010 at 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico

The implication being surfers are delusional.

I would never knowingly insult the mentally impaired. :rolleyes:

Bajahowodd - 3-12-2010 at 03:08 PM

I came late to the party. But I do have a few comments regarding the initial post and story.

It has already been mentioned, but bears repeating that only a doofus would walk around, especially at night, carrying such a large amount of cash.

The story has absolutely no detail or corroborating information beyond this guy's 40 second statement.

Just about any major hotel in this resort has in-room safes, and they are usually very careful to warn guests about where to store their valuables.

The guy said that they were so upset that they left most of their belongings behind. OK. This incident happened at 11:30 at night. Did they just hail a cab (having no money) and go to the airport and wait for the terminal to open in the morning? Last I knew, there are no night flights at SJD. So let's assume that they did go back to their hotel. Then, not tell anyone what happened? If they went back to their hotel, why would they not have packed their stuff?

Unlike some areas of Mexico, there is a fairly obvious police presence. And a very high degree of English speakers throughout all the businesses.

We don't have a clue as to where this incident allegedly happened. "Cabo" consists of a couple dozen miles and even more hotels.

Whatever happened, if it happened, deserves to be covered in much greater detail than the posted story. What is has done, as was previously noted, places a very negative image in the media at the onset of the busiest part of the year for the locals.

There's just no flesh on those bones.

Woooosh - 3-12-2010 at 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I came late to the party. But I do have a few comments regarding the initial post and story.

It has already been mentioned, but bears repeating that only a doofus would walk around, especially at night, carrying such a large amount of cash.

The story has absolutely no detail or corroborating information beyond this guy's 40 second statement.

Just about any major hotel in this resort has in-room safes, and they are usually very careful to warn guests about where to store their valuables.

The guy said that they were so upset that they left most of their belongings behind. OK. This incident happened at 11:30 at night. Did they just hail a cab (having no money) and go to the airport and wait for the terminal to open in the morning? Last I knew, there are no night flights at SJD. So let's assume that they did go back to their hotel. Then, not tell anyone what happened? If they went back to their hotel, why would they not have packed their stuff?

Unlike some areas of Mexico, there is a fairly obvious police presence. And a very high degree of English speakers throughout all the businesses.

We don't have a clue as to where this incident allegedly happened. "Cabo" consists of a couple dozen miles and even more hotels.

Whatever happened, if it happened, deserves to be covered in much greater detail than the posted story. What is has done, as was previously noted, places a very negative image in the media at the onset of the busiest part of the year for the locals.

There's just no flesh on those bones.

good points...

I do think most people who see or read this "story" stateside stop listening to facts and reason after the words "Cabo, van, masked men, gun, hands up skirt". Given the recent history of violence- they mentally shut down after that and the details of how and why and the could-haves and should-haves don't matter to them. They just figure it's more of the same in Mexico and Baja- whether it is 100% true or not. The damage is already done and the extent of it is dependent on how viral the story goes from here.

monoloco - 3-12-2010 at 03:57 PM

I have to agree with Howodd, there are parts to this story that just don't pass the" smell test".

Donjulio - 3-12-2010 at 04:08 PM

http://crimeincharlotte.blogspot.com/

Donjulio - 3-12-2010 at 04:12 PM

Charlotte Crime Statistics for February 2010

Through the end of February, the preliminary total for Index Offenses was -17.5% lower than this time last year. Property crime decreased by -18.9% while violent crime decreased by -7.3%.
* 7 homicides were reported through February 2010 compared to the same amount, 7 in 2009.

* All of the violent Index crime categories experienced decreases:
- 287 robberies were reported compared to 308, resulting in a decrease of -6.8%

* 29 rapes were reported compared to 33, resulting in a decrease of -12.1%.

* 393 aggravated assaults were reported compared to 424, resulting in a decrease of -7.3%.

* Burglary overall was down -10.0%, (1293 compared to 1437) with a decrease of -1.6% in residential (1073 compared to 1091) and -36.4% in commercial cases (220 compared to 346).

* 388 vehicle thefts were reported compared to 620, resulting in a decrease of -37.4%.

* Total larceny cases declined by -19.3% (3146 compared to 3897) with the larcenies from auto down by -32.5% (1415 compared to 2096).

* 45 arson cases were reported compared to 50, resulting in a decrease of -10.0%

Think I'd rather be in Cabo

DENNIS - 3-12-2010 at 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh

On the flip side, I am sure many serious crimes against Mexican immigrants in the USA go unreported for various reasons as well. Maybe it's a statistical wash.

Your ass. This is a Baja site. Apply all pertinent info to our Baja.

Hook - 3-12-2010 at 04:48 PM

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A thousand bucks in Cabo while on vacation doesnt sound like too much walking around money to me.

A thousand dollars ain't worth what it used to be...............

Really?? Next time you're in TJ let me know, we'll hit some clubs together. LOTS of fun with a 1000 bucks to blow.

Sorry, dont flash it around UNDESIRABLE TJ TYPES THAT LIVE IN THE PLAYAS.

TJ ain't Cabo...................it's much worse. But you know that..........or should. :rolleyes:

Ah! But The Damage Is Done

Bajahowodd - 3-12-2010 at 04:49 PM

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Originally posted by monoloco
I have to agree with Howodd, there are parts to this story that just don't pass the" smell test".

Cabo ain't TJ. From what I've read and heard, most of the crimes in this very tourist-important location have been as a result of men behaving badly. i.e. tourists looking for drugs or hoars.

k-rico - 3-12-2010 at 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico

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Originally posted by Hook
A thousand bucks in Cabo while on vacation doesnt sound like too much walking around money to me.

A thousand dollars ain't worth what it used to be...............

Really?? Next time you're in TJ let me know, we'll hit some clubs together. LOTS of fun with a 1000 bucks to blow.

Sorry, dont flash it around UNDESIRABLE TJ TYPES THAT LIVE IN THE PLAYAS.

TJ ain't Cabo...................it's much worse. But you know that..........or should. :rolleyes:

Oh darn, come on, it's a lot of fun. Bring your kilobuck. Lets party. :tumble:

Drugs or hoars?

Bajahowodd - 3-12-2010 at 05:12 PM

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A thousand bucks in Cabo while on vacation doesnt sound like too much walking around money to me.

A thousand dollars ain't worth what it used to be...............

Really?? Next time you're in TJ let me know, we'll hit some clubs together. LOTS of fun with a 1000 bucks to blow.

Sorry, dont flash it around UNDESIRABLE TJ TYPES THAT LIVE IN THE PLAYAS.

TJ ain't Cabo...................it's much worse. But you know that..........or should. :rolleyes:

Oh darn, come on, it's a lot of fun. Bring your kilobuck. Lets party. :tumble:

BajaRat - 3-12-2010 at 07:47 PM

I Checked and re-checked the written account and there seems to be some descrepancies. In my job I hear alot of horror stories and it allways amazes me at the details people remember when bad things happen. They were in such a hurry that they left their get away van?
All in all it's sad but desperate times bring out the best in some and worst in others. These things are happening right now, right here and all over this beautiful planet. Unfortunatly bad press goes a long way. It's also much more exciting to report a crime in a nice place compared to a location were you would expect that type of activity.

Lionel

bajafam - 3-12-2010 at 08:00 PM

Rat...shouldn't you be working?!

But, good point....scary sh** happens everywhere...even in small town USA.

arrowhead - 3-12-2010 at 08:06 PM

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Charlotte Crime Statistics for February 2010

Through the end of February, the preliminary total for Index Offenses was -17.5% lower than this time last year. Property crime decreased by -18.9% while violent crime decreased by -7.3%.
* 7 homicides were reported through February 2010 compared to the same amount, 7 in 2009.

* All of the violent Index crime categories experienced decreases:
- 287 robberies were reported compared to 308, resulting in a decrease of -6.8%

* 29 rapes were reported compared to 33, resulting in a decrease of -12.1%.

* 393 aggravated assaults were reported compared to 424, resulting in a decrease of -7.3%.

* Burglary overall was down -10.0%, (1293 compared to 1437) with a decrease of -1.6% in residential (1073 compared to 1091) and -36.4% in commercial cases (220 compared to 346).

* 388 vehicle thefts were reported compared to 620, resulting in a decrease of -37.4%.

* Total larceny cases declined by -19.3% (3146 compared to 3897) with the larcenies from auto down by -32.5% (1415 compared to 2096).

* 45 arson cases were reported compared to 50, resulting in a decrease of -10.0%

Think I'd rather be in Cabo

Really? Before I made a move to a place with a lower crime rate, the first thing I would want to know is, "what is the crime rate of the place I'm in compared to the place I'm going to". I just happened to casually notice that you did not mention the crime rate in Cabo. So how would a person with two fully-functioning frontal lobes make an intellgent decision?

p.s. Welcome back...for the third time. Will you be staying this time?

UnoMas - 3-12-2010 at 08:47 PM

Reading this thread makes me think about how naive I was on my first trip to Baja. Going to a resort on the recomendation of a client for sport fishing, I was not at all familiar the place, culture or anything. Had no idea of how to handle money and used U.S. dollars for all transactions. Was also told NOT to leave money in your room and think it may have been in info from the resort it self. There was a safe in the office you could place valuables but thought that might be risky as well.
Point being is that those of us who have many years in Mexico have become accustom to the way of life there and most don't have any problems with crime, other than getting ripped off at the local Pemex. :lol:

we know what risks may be involved. Take someone with no knowledge of the territory they are entering makes for easy targets, JMO. So Just because these people had money on them and the fact that some of the things they may have done after the alleged crime I would not dismiss the fact that this happened.

gnukid - 3-12-2010 at 08:51 PM

Headly

It's been well reported this week that:

Many US cities have crime/arrest cuotas:

"Adil Polanco, a five-year veteran of the NYPD’s 41st Precinct in the Bronx, confirmed to WABC that police are under relentless official pressure to make arrests and issue summonses in order to meet arbitrary quotas."

"Our primary job is not to help anybody, our primary job is not to assist anybody, our primary job is to get those numbers and come back with them?" said Officer Polanco.

In addition, this week a Texas judged ruled that due to the large number of forced confessions of innocent people capital punishment was ruled unconstitutional.

“Based on the moratorium (on the death penalty) in Illinois, the Innocence Project and more than 200 people being exonerated nationwide, it can only be concluded that innocent people have been executed,” state District Judge Kevin Fine said. “It's safe to assume we execute innocent people.”

And here is another report this week that states that UK violent crime statistics are manipulated, false and misleading.

In light of the well reported manipulation of US crime statistics and the well understood fact that Mexico crimes are vastly under-reported, your constant desire for A to B comparisons would obviously provide little valid empirical comparison to draw from. So why do you constantly belabor the US vs MX comparisons based on clearly flawed data?

arrowhead - 3-12-2010 at 10:00 PM

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Since you have a well established and derogatory view of Baja and it's visitors, why don't you tell us why you come here and insist in side-lining this site and it's community with derision?

Where does your passion lie and what are you interested in about Baja which brings you here?

Gnukid, my interests are simple:

1. I'd like to see that my fellow American citizens traveling to Baja are fully apprised of the situation. That would include the crime situation, the state of the medical arts in Mexico, and anything else that would directly impact their health and wellbeing. In order to accomplish that, I firmly believe that Americans contemplating traveling to Baja are entitled to full disclosure of all the facts so that they can reach their own INFORMED decision.

2. I'd like to see that my fellow American citizens traveling to Baja are fully apprised of the unethical, fraudulent and dangerous rip-offs foisted upon them by their fellow Americans -- and Mexicans.

Isn't that the stated purpose of BajaNomads? If I am incorrect, please let me know. There are plenty of people here who will talk about the good things in Baja. I'll leave it to them to discuss, since there seems to be no shortage of that discussion here.

Now, gnukid, what are YOUR interests? Wait, let me guess:

1. Uncovering secret plots and conspiracies.
2. Surfing and kiteboarding.
3. Speaking Spanish to your homies down there in the worst Gringo accent I have ever heard (bway-nose dee-aahs seen-yours). I watched your videos on your blog. Especially that one where you are filming and talking to the soldiers at a check-point.
4. Writing home to Mommy for more money because you have not worked an honest job in your entire life.

gnukid - 3-12-2010 at 10:08 PM

Head

Altruistic goodguy? Yeah that's the ticket.

Donjulio - 3-12-2010 at 10:48 PM

I want an honest answer from the admin why Arrowhead can talk crap about people but twice now I bring up something about Arrowhead and the post is deleted. Ban me if you want, no great loss but that's a load of chit.

Donjulio - 3-12-2010 at 10:50 PM

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OK EXPERT - you want to tell me the numbers in Cabo are bigger than this? Right! What a load of crap.

DENNIS - 3-12-2010 at 11:04 PM

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Ban me if you want,

Now....don't get me wrong, but didn't you leave forever the other day or am I imagining that? :lol:

Donjulio - 3-12-2010 at 11:08 PM

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Ban me if you want,

Now....don't get me wrong, but didn't you leave forever the other day or am I imagining that? :lol:

Dennis you don't want to play this game.

DENNIS - 3-12-2010 at 11:11 PM

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Dennis you don't want to play this game.

Why not? Don't you think I know how?

Donjulio - 3-12-2010 at 11:17 PM

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Dennis you don't want to play this game.

Why not? Don't you think I know how?

Oh we all know you know how. We have to see the Dibble everyday. But maybe its time you just let it go.

DENNIS - 3-12-2010 at 11:26 PM

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Oh we all know you know how. We have to see the Dibble everyday. But maybe its time you just let it go.

What's "Dibble?" What am I supposed to let go? I have not yet begun.

This...

Dave - 3-12-2010 at 11:50 PM

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What's "Dibble?"

Is a Dibble.

arrowhead - 3-13-2010 at 01:18 AM

Just for the record, I do not believe that anybody should be banned or any posts deleted, except where they are doing something clearly illegal or just posting to be disruptive and not adding to the dialogue.

And for Donjulio and gnukid and the rest here who think I am all over this board on a Mission from God to right all wrongs, take a good look at my posts. On most of the topics here I do not post at all. I think everybody is entitled to an opinion, and you rarely see me posting on an opinion tread. If somebody says Tita's fish tacos are better than Juana's, you won't hear from me. It's just a matter of opinion which is better. If somebody says Campo Pedo is a better place to camp than Campo Mierda, I don't comment. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If somebody says the fishing is better at Punta Puta than at Puerto Pocho, it's not anything I'm concerned with.

But when somebody posts some crime statistics for a city in the US, without even telling us how many people live there and converting the crime rate into a per capita rate for comparison, and then says Cabo is safer without posting even one single crime statistic on Cabo, that gets my attention. That is just blowing smoke up somebody's burro.

arrowhead - 3-13-2010 at 11:21 AM

Jesus, all my best work ends up on the cutting room floor.

Woooosh - 3-13-2010 at 12:06 PM

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Jesus, all my best work ends up on the cutting room floor.

mine too it seems... :rolleyes:

Bajahowodd - 3-13-2010 at 01:51 PM

Has anyone found any additional info about this incident? I was just thinking about one other aspect that fostered my skepticism. According to the original report, this was not a robbery. What the initial report contends is that a bunch of masked men decided to conduct a sexual assault on a public street.

snowcat5 - 3-13-2010 at 08:17 PM

Something is not adding up here, with the guy's story. He says the bandits drove up in a van, he paid them money, then they "ran off"? Where is/ what happened to the van? Did they leave it? Or did it disappear?

Dave - 3-13-2010 at 09:37 PM

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Has anyone found any additional info about this incident? I was just thinking about one other aspect that fostered my skepticism. According to the original report, this was not a robbery. What the initial report contends is that a bunch of masked men decided to conduct a sexual assault on a public street.

I don't believe a word of it.

If I were someone associated with the Mexican tourist industry I'd spend some money investigating this incident and this guy. It might just payoff in spades.

I'm not saying it couldn't happen...Just don't believe it did.

mtgoat666 - 3-13-2010 at 09:38 PM

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Something is not adding up here, with the guy's story. He says the bandits drove up in a van, he paid them money, then they "ran off"? Where is/ what happened to the van? Did they leave it? Or did it disappear?

you guys sure have spent a lot of time dissecting a 200 word news report :lol:

Woooosh - 3-14-2010 at 12:54 AM

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That could be why they felt the hotel set them up. Masked gunmen would be solely interested in money. How did they know he was carrying enough to make it worth their while? The sexual assault was probably just to scare them and hands up the skirt is pretty tame for masked gunmen. And how many tourists these days wear skirts? Maybe the Hotel had a safe deposit box, not in-room safes- which made the cash visible to the employees. But if a hotel is setting up their own guests- Cabo is in serious trouble. Still- too many maybes...

wessongroup - 3-14-2010 at 06:58 AM

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Just for the record, I do not believe that anybody should be banned or any posts deleted, except where they are doing something clearly illegal or just posting to be disruptive and not adding to the dialogue.

And for Donjulio and gnukid and the rest here who think I am all over this board on a Mission from God to right all wrongs, take a good look at my posts. On most of the topics here I do not post at all. I think everybody is entitled to an opinion, and you rarely see me posting on an opinion tread. If somebody says Tita's fish tacos are better than Juana's, you won't hear from me. It's just a matter of opinion which is better. If somebody says Campo Pedo is a better place to camp than Campo Mierda, I don't comment. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If somebody says the fishing is better at Punta Puta than at Puerto Pocho, it's not anything I'm concerned with.

But when somebody posts some crime statistics for a city in the US, without even telling us how many people live there and converting the crime rate into a per capita rate for comparison, and then says Cabo is safer without posting even one single crime statistic on Cabo, that gets my attention. That is just blowing smoke up somebody's burro.

Well said, and I must agree... you do reserver your focus to issues which are based in "fact".. and we all know how that game gets played.. your get your pile of facts and I get my pile of facts .... and now where are we... arguing the factual basis of the FACTS.. :lol:

Brings back bad memories.. glad I'm retired and living in Baja..

But, thanks to all for the posts.. they are what makes it all go around.. good and bad..

Cabo sexual attack and robbery

C-Urchin - 3-14-2010 at 04:31 PM

Right on Woooosh!

What is the main engine driving the economy in the Los Cabos area? It is my understanding that tourism is. Therefore tourists should be protected and treated like gold. It is just good business.

What happens everyday in our broken big cities full of crime should not be a comparison point with a quaint tourist destination.

Comparing with the lowest common denominator only gets you...the lowest.

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Again we see the press villifying an entire country because of a crime that could and does happen all over the world every single day.

How should the story be treated? Or, would it be better to ignore it?

I guess there's not a whole lot going on in Charlotte. If it were a couple from Miami or New York City, would it even be a story?

A robbery no. A gang sexual assault and robbery on a visiting tourist, yes.

Bajahowodd - 3-14-2010 at 04:37 PM

Not really wishing to quibble, but Los Cabos has not been quaint for at least a decade. Much to my personal chagrin.