BajaNomad - END of PAVEMENT EL HUERFANITO PHOTOS 3/10

END of PAVEMENT EL HUERFANITO PHOTOS 3/10

David K - 3-12-2010 at 08:21 AM

Wayno (bbbait) emailed these to me last night to share with all of you...

The end of pavement, just south of El Huerfanito

Just beyond the end, all road work vanishes... no base road at all...

Looking back north at the end of pavement.

The Boat Launch at El Huerfanito.

Thanks Wayno (BBBAIT)

cj5orion - 3-14-2010 at 07:05 AM

might be awhile for the rest of the road ?

bonanza bucko - 3-14-2010 at 07:35 AM

I REALLY, REALLY HOPE SO. ...last thing we need at Gonzaga Bay is Jake Brakes all night out there on the down grade North of Rancho Grande.

BajaRat - 3-14-2010 at 10:04 AM

So, at least a few more years before western commercialism.

Lionel

bardfromedson - 4-7-2010 at 04:32 PM

just wondering if this launch would work for a 20 ft boat on a single axle trailer? how high of a tide do you need? might save a guy a few bucks in fuel instead of launching in puertocetios.

ArvadaGeorge - 4-8-2010 at 06:55 AM

Wasn't there a report that construction had begun again?

David K - 4-8-2010 at 07:09 AM

Yes...

Pappy Jon - 4-16-2010 at 10:12 AM

When I passed through there on March 3, 2009 I had the foresight to GPS the end of the pavement. This year, I was there on Easter Sunday. In the last 13 months they went 12 miles with the pavement. Granted, it was a rough section.

Good grading of the dirt went 7 miles further. Then the road was it's usual sucky self.

David K - 4-16-2010 at 09:25 PM

In Nov. 2006, the new pavement heading south ended 2 miles north of Puertecitos, and a short piece in Puertecitos was paved.

In Sept. 2008, the new pavement ended 2 miles south of Puertecitos.

In Jan. 2009, the new pavement ended ~4 miles south of Puertecitos (before La Costilla).

That had to be one of the toughest pieces of terrain to build a highway through!

Did you feel the quake on Easter?

cj5orion - 4-17-2010 at 07:03 AM

came back last Wednesday,April 14 th.
Looks like they fired up again
:no:

BajaWarrior - 4-17-2010 at 07:29 AM

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Originally posted by cj5orion
came back last Wednesday,April 14 th.
Looks like they fired up again
:no:

We drove to Huerfanito on Wed. April 7th on a windy day and they were pushing dirt with a D9 on a large lot almost directly adjacent to the island. There was another lot one mile to the south with workers already building bridge forms.

Edit for: Picture of the island before the condos are built...

[Edited on 4-17-2010 by BajaWarrior]

David K - 4-17-2010 at 10:16 AM

With pavement, they will come!

Good roads, not guidebooks, is the enemy of solitude...

eetdrt88 - 4-17-2010 at 10:44 AM

well spoken,Dave

woody with a view - 4-17-2010 at 09:03 PM

good roads, gps co-ords, and i'm guessing folks will arrive.

guidebooks, bad roads, throw in a map or two and what holds them back?

they all result in something no one wants to see coming to a beach near them.....

David K - 4-17-2010 at 09:48 PM

Bad roads holds them back... a GPS doesn't get anyone to a place they cannot get to without the vehicle to get them there. Just where did you see GPS waypoints of surf breaks posted? If someone wants to go someplace, they will get there if the road is passable, not because it is on a map or a GPS list. If the road is 4WD only, it is a filter to the 'masses'...

woody with a view - 4-17-2010 at 09:59 PM

how do they know the road is "passable" if "someone" hasn't posted a map in the past year or so? because it's on a map? or because "someone said they "made it" recently??????

edit=filter, yes. but we like it better if there is no mention of it. THANKS for honoring our request...... :!:

[Edited on 4-18-2010 by woody in ob]

David K - 4-18-2010 at 09:56 AM

'We'?, and just how does one become Holy enough to be considered one of the 'we'?

There was a time when it was your first trip to the Seven Sisters, and was it ruined when you started going or the surfer after you? Who determins when the limit has been reached?

Seriously, do you ever see other surfers or so many surfers you cannot enjoy it... at all 7 of the sisters (and all the other secret surf breaks)?

All roads are passable to a good 4WD... and those that drive 4WD roads usually have respect for things that any goofball on a highway doesn't. Most grafitti is along a highway, afterall.

Anyway, back in 2007 after I drove down the Pacific coast, I respected your requests and didn't provide GPS or mentioned surf breaks (even though I wouldn't since I am not a surfer) and I went on to mention how cold, cloudy, gloomy that coast was... to put a negative twist on it, for you and your surfer buddies.

Now, what about EL HUERFANITO (no surf there)?

mtgoat666 - 4-18-2010 at 10:08 AM

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Originally posted by David K
'We'?, and just how does one become Holy enough to be considered one of the 'we'?

dk: in this matter, his highness woody speaks for me too :lol:

rts551 - 4-18-2010 at 10:16 AM

and where did this provocative statement come from? I think you can find idiots anywhere. even in 4x4 Toyotas

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Originally posted by David K
All roads are passable to a good 4WD... and those that drive 4WD roads usually have respect for things that any goofball on a highway doesn't. Most grafitti is along a highway, afterall.

David K - 4-18-2010 at 10:38 AM

the word "usually" was in my statement... :biggrin:

dizzyspots - 4-19-2010 at 08:48 AM

interesting that when "we" find someplace great to camp, or to fish...or to surf..."we" fall in love with it...then become so posessive of it that we dont want to share it with "them"...to "protect" it...

yet...somebody told us about it first didn't they???

Pappy Jon - 4-19-2010 at 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by David K
In Nov. 2006, the new pavement heading south ended 2 miles north of Puertecitos, and a short piece in Puertecitos was paved.

In Sept. 2008, the new pavement ended 2 miles south of Puertecitos.

In Jan. 2009, the new pavement ended ~4 miles south of Puertecitos (before La Costilla).

That had to be one of the toughest pieces of terrain to build a highway through!

Did you feel the quake on Easter?

Sounds like the road crew kicked some butt on that section. Yes, I felt the earthquake. I would give you GPS coords to the location, but then, I'd have to kill you. :lol:

BAJACAT - 4-20-2010 at 10:50 PM

BAJA IS FOR EVERYBODY NOT JUST A FEW..any place i find I share with friends, sometimes thats how you get to enjoy Baja by word of mouth,if that wasn't the case we would not be in the need of places like BAJANOMAD,because nobody would share their secret spots, that maybe at one point they were somebodies else's secret spot's...how needs GPS anyways just follow the washboard road....

GrOUper-GAr - 4-21-2010 at 03:22 PM

I'm reading and wondering:
Why is there so much disgust toward the pavement to GonZaGa ?
-GRoUPer

....Shari, how is the pavement being accepted in/to Asuncion?

Cypress - 4-21-2010 at 03:38 PM

If it's too easy to get there, then everybody will be there and you might as well be at an amusement park back in the states.

DianaT - 4-21-2010 at 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by GrOUper-GAr
I'm reading and wondering:
Why is there so much disgust toward the pavement to GonZaGa ?
-GRoUPer

....Shari, how is the pavement being accepted in/to Asuncion?

Some want to keep Baja as their personal unchanged playground. Also, there are a lot of one year leases in Gonzaga and , well who knows. And that old Mama Espinoza saying of bad roads, good people is not always the case. I have far too often seen many who have no respect for the environment and just drive everywhere ripping up the desert as they go.

Even when we first bought a place in Bahia Asuncion, we thought we preferred the dirt road---fewer people will drive a dirt road--rather selfish motives. But after being in BA and becoming friends with many people, we now can't wait for the final pavement. They know the change will not happen without some problems, but pavement they want.

I am quite sure Shari will agree---from the people we know, there are some who are concerned about having the pavement and the increase in the amount of people who will visit, but most of them can't wait for the pavement to be completed. The old dirt road was murder on their vehicles---pavement will change their lives.

People from Bahia Asuncion often need to travel to Vizcaino, or Guerrero Negro, or Santa Rosalia and beyond, and the pavement will make it easier----also easier for supplies to get to Bahia Asuncion. Now we hear more complaining about the awful Vizcaino/Tortugas road that needs repair.

The Gonzaga road should improve commerce for Baja and improve the lives of many.

[Edited on 4-22-2010 by DianaT]

David K - 4-21-2010 at 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GrOUper-GAr
I'm reading and wondering:
Why is there so much disgust toward the pavement to GonZaGa ?
-GRoUPer

Pavement (not a GPS) is what allows 'anybody' to get to a special place...

A paved highway opens an area up to anyone... A dirt road acts like a filter and screens out a lot of the riff raff, but a 4WD road screens out all of the riff raff. When it takes a special rig and a special skill of driving, then the destination is greatly appreciated as a special treat or a reward for the tough miles that preceded it. 'Riff raff' can range from people who dump their trash anywhere to develpoers who destroy a beautiful place and don't complete the project (like Puerto Escondido, Escalera Nautica, many abandoned projects).

If Gonzaga Bay is easily accessed, then it will be easily spoiled, IMO. The only thing that may save it is the distance from cities, lack of water and services. L.A. Bay has a paved road, but it is at the end of the paved road, and that may have helped it... plus it is another 100 miles from the cities. Gonzaga will be on a main north-south highway, so more people will be going to it or by it, than L.A. Bay.

Alas, us fussing about it won't stop progress, so all we can do is lament the changes and recall the past 'good old days'...

GrOUper-GAr - 4-22-2010 at 09:53 AM

Yea, I'm familiar with the saying, 'good/bad -bad/good' roads...
It just seems like something always said, but not always true.
Gonzaga is lined with HOMES, has GAS(& amenities), and gets Pounded by GiLLNETs... an easier road is gonna ruin it? Its pretty easy to get there already.
Anyway, here's Hoping for the best.
-GrOUpeR

rts551 - 4-22-2010 at 11:00 AM

Geeze DK. Tell that to the drug smugglers. Your blanket statements are amazing

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Originally posted by David K

Quote:

Originally posted by GrOUper-GAr
I'm reading and wondering:
Why is there so much disgust toward the pavement to GonZaGa ?
-GRoUPer

David K - 4-22-2010 at 11:18 AM

Thank you... 'amazing' is the affect I am after! :lol:

Oh...got the pic now

mcfez - 4-28-2010 at 07:47 PM

Thanks DK for leading me to these pics....didnt see them earlier.

Oh..."If Gonzaga Bay is easily accessed, then it will be easily spoiled". You are totally right.

David K - 4-29-2010 at 09:08 AM

De nada mcfez... Have fun at El Huerfanito or where ever you go!

mtgoat666 - 4-29-2010 at 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K

Quote:

Originally posted by GrOUper-GAr
I'm reading and wondering:
Why is there so much disgust toward the pavement to GonZaGa ?
-GRoUPer

A paved highway opens an area up to anyone... A dirt road acts like a filter and screens out a lot of the riff raff, but a 4WD road screens out all of the riff raff.

actually, i think the 4wd road still allows in a lot of the riff raff. you need to put on hiking boots to get away from 4wd knuckleheads that spoil the wilderness experience. get a mile away from any type of road, and things are good. get 5 miles away from any type of road and things are best :bounce:

David K - 4-29-2010 at 09:34 AM

That sounds good Goat... that means you will be 5 miles away from my camp and not drink all my beers?

Isn't difficult to backpack a case of Pacificos and ice, in someplace? My Tacoma can hold multiple ice chests!

Ken Cooke - 4-29-2010 at 06:34 PM

I'm hoping to get my Jeep nice and dirty on that route before it is paved to oblivion... :no:

BajaWarrior - 4-29-2010 at 07:47 PM

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Originally posted by Ken Cooke
I'm hoping to get my Jeep nice and dirty on that route before it is paved to oblivion... :no:

Ken, the first step to Baja recovery is crossing the border!

Ken Cooke - 4-29-2010 at 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by BajaWarrior

Quote:

Originally posted by Ken Cooke
I'm hoping to get my Jeep nice and dirty on that route before it is paved to oblivion... :no:

Ken, the first step to Baja recovery is crossing the border!

We're waiting on her Green Card and my vacation time. Trust me, the Jeep will be getting dirty this summer somewhere near Alfonsinas...or, San Felipe at the very least.

preston - 5-4-2010 at 01:21 PM

I have mixed feelings about the issue of paving this road. I make 2 loop trips per year through this route (see past trip reports) and am planning one for early June. I'll be sure to post a trip report.

On one hand, I love the solitude of this trip. Most of the time I never pass an on-coming car.

On the other hand, now that it is paved, I will bring my wife and she will actually enjoy the trip (she would have been horrified at the old route ... so I never took her). The road from Huerfanito to Gonzaga and out is a "piece of cake" compared to "crap" north of Huerfanito.

Another "natural" filter for Baja is the fear that many Gringos have of Mexico, period. So, I'm not predicting an explosion (IMO) of travel ... but I could be wrong.

So, right now, I am viewing this as an overall positive (from a selfish perspective). I will be camping for a couple of days on the way down, then couple of days with Antonio and then maybe BOLA if time allows.

Hope to see you all on the trails.

I'll post in advance of my trip when I have the exact dates.

Preston

willardguy - 5-4-2010 at 03:41 PM

well thank you DianaT for telling it like it is. Have you noticed how nobody has anything bad to say about the other new improvments in gonzaga??? I don't hear anyone M-F-ing the pemex station or the super market or the new restaurant or the flush toilets at beluga.this isnt the way baja used to be BUT its darn handy if youre out of gas,hungry thirsty or gotta take a dump!
Look I totally get that this gem of a place is a new found paradise to many new comers to baja but if youve been rambling down that old road for 40 years and have destroyed numerous vehicles in route you might welcome the road a little more.
BUT like diana pointed out this is not our private playground,even those of us who live there.gonzaga belongs to the wonderful families who are kind enough to wecome us and share their paradise.
I guess what im getting at is lets not be so selfish and care more about what this will mean for caretakers and their future.

DianaT - 5-4-2010 at 04:45 PM

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Originally posted by willardguy
well thank you DianaT for telling it like it is. Have you noticed how nobody has anything bad to say about the other new improvments in gonzaga??? I don't hear anyone M-F-ing the pemex station or the super market or the new restaurant or the flush toilets at beluga.this isnt the way baja used to be BUT its darn handy if youre out of gas,hungry thirsty or gotta take a dump!
Look I totally get that this gem of a place is a new found paradise to many new comers to baja but if youve been rambling down that old road for 40 years and have destroyed numerous vehicles in route you might welcome the road a little more.
BUT like diana pointed out this is not our private playground,even those of us who live there.gonzaga belongs to the wonderful families who are kind enough to wecome us and share their paradise.
I guess what im getting at is lets not be so selfish and care more about what this will mean for caretakers and their future.

Thank you----well said. :yes:

bonanza bucko - 5-4-2010 at 04:54 PM

With the new paved road...if it gets done....will come a need to tell more people about the dangers of traveling in that neighborhood. The Chupacabras still sneak out of the canyons to suck the blood outa yer goat anytime after dark...they can do that to Gringos too if they come from Orange County or anyplace like that. Then there are the Bandidos...they hide in the canyons with the Chupacabras and put wax on their handlebar mustachios and polish their bandeleros y pistolas just waiting for yer basic Gringo in a Cadillac stop to take a leak so they can stick him up. We also have to be sure that all those new Gringos know that you can't drink the water and that even breathing deeply anywhere near Gonzaga Bay can cause hemorrhoids and carbuncles on the privates.

BB

David K - 5-6-2010 at 08:09 AM

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Originally posted by bonanza bucko
With the new paved road...if it gets done....will come a need to tell more people about the dangers of traveling in that neighborhood. The Chupacabras still sneak out of the canyons to suck the blood outa yer goat anytime after dark...they can do that to Gringos too if they come from Orange County or anyplace like that. Then there are the Bandidos...they hide in the canyons with the Chupacabras and put wax on their handlebar mustachios and polish their bandeleros y pistolas just waiting for yer basic Gringo in a Cadillac stop to take a leak so they can stick him up. We also have to be sure that all those new Gringos know that you can't drink the water and that even breathing deeply anywhere near Gonzaga Bay can cause hemorrhoids and carbuncles on the privates.

BB

Yes... yes... :lol:

cj5orion - 5-7-2010 at 05:56 AM

"We also have to be sure that all those new Gringos know that you can't drink the water and that even breathing deeply anywhere near Gonzaga Bay can cause hemorrhoids and carbuncles on the privates."

what are ya trying to say :tumble:

bonanza bucko - 5-7-2010 at 06:45 AM

CJ5:
Sorry...I was trying to say:
Espirando profundamente que las causas y los carbuncos hemorhoriods
BB