BajaNomad - Thoughts on sewage treatment

Thoughts on sewage treatment

jak - 3-24-2010 at 12:36 PM

Any remarks on the removal/treatment facilities available in Mexico beyond the septic tank?

Woooosh - 3-24-2010 at 12:45 PM

our city sewage just runs down the street into the ocean every time it rains. We call it the "chocolate water" coming up from the "bubbler". Don't give it a second thought, Mexico doesn't.

[Edited on 3-24-2010 by Woooosh]

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DENNIS - 3-24-2010 at 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by jak
Any remarks on the removal/treatment facilities available in Mexico beyond the septic tank?

Like for private use or ....waddya mean?

Bajahowodd - 3-24-2010 at 02:41 PM

Honey wagons, I guess.

DENNIS - 3-24-2010 at 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Honey wagons, I guess.

Ohhh yeah...it could double as a Pipa for carrying potable water. :barf:

arrowhead - 3-24-2010 at 03:03 PM

I have this vision of a honey wagon pumping out somebody' septic tank and then driving a mile up-river and unloading it into the only source of potable water in the area.

DENNIS - 3-24-2010 at 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by arrowhead
I have this vision of a honey wagon pumping out somebody' septic tank and then driving a mile up-river and unloading it into the only source of potable water in the area.

I watched one unload into an irrigation pond here just last summer. Made ya want to race right down to the produce store.

Martyman - 3-24-2010 at 03:11 PM

Jak;
Do you have any specific questions? i know a bunch of turd herders

[Edited on 3-24-2010 by Martyman]

Bajahowodd - 3-24-2010 at 03:41 PM

Perhaps his question was answered. :biggrin:

However, it was a somewhat vague question. Just to throw in a follow up to Woooosh, some years ago, on regular visits to Ensenada, we decided that staying along Lopez Mateo in the tourist district was just too plain noisy and rowdy (remember when?). So, we decided to try Palmas al Paraiso on Sangines. Nice place. However, by the second time we stayed there, we bolted because there is a sewage plant just behind it, opposite the Navy base, and it appears that Ensenada's infrastructure has fallen way behind its growth. The stench was nauseating.

Woooosh - 3-24-2010 at 05:55 PM

I do see plenty of the Pepi "honey wagons" when driving around town and def give them distance in case they spring a leak.

Thanks for input - output

jak - 3-25-2010 at 08:17 AM

Hmm, it seems I can toss out my NOB concepts of waste treatment. The concept and picture of one cities use of rain as part of the infrastructure was quite illuminating.

bajaguy - 3-25-2010 at 08:42 AM

The secret is to maintain 1/4" of fall for every 12" of waste pipe length........remember, it should all flow downhill.

Woooosh - 3-25-2010 at 08:58 AM

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Originally posted by jak
Hmm, it seems I can toss out my NOB concepts of waste treatment. The concept and picture of one cities use of rain as part of the infrastructure was quite illuminating.

Infrastructure? There are no fire hydrants either- so build with cement blocks. Mexico is doing great for a third world country. Even San Diego pipes its waste 3 miles out into the ocean.

Martyman - 3-25-2010 at 09:45 AM

Even San Diego pipes its waste 3 miles out into the ocean.

Whatever happened to their great program and slogan "toilet to tap"

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k-rico - 3-25-2010 at 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by jak
Hmm, it seems I can toss out my NOB concepts of waste treatment. The concept and picture of one cities use of rain as part of the infrastructure was quite illuminating.

Infrastructure? There are no fire hydrants either- so build with cement blocks. Mexico is doing great for a third world country. Even San Diego pipes its waste 3 miles out into the ocean.

There is a fire hydrant about a block away from my house in TJ. I've seen fire trucks use it. Perhaps your Rosarito experience doesn't apply to the whole country.

monoloco - 3-25-2010 at 10:30 AM

The Cerritos Beach Club's sewage flows into a plastic tank in an open pit, a lot of the time the sewage overflows the tank and fills the pit before they bring the truck to pump it. This is located right next to the main road into Los Cerritos and smells to high heaven. It is one of the most disgusting things I've seen here. I would like to send a photo to PROFEPA and ask: how much is a permit for a system like this?

Martyman - 3-25-2010 at 12:48 PM

It hardly fecal matters

[Edited on 3-25-2010 by Martyman]

arrowhead - 3-26-2010 at 07:36 AM

http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Nacional/26032...

The beach at El Dorado Ranch, San Felipe is among the 12 most contaminated beaches in Mexico. It has 364 enterococcus bateria per 100 milliliters. There are only four beaches in all of Mexico with higher contamination. The US federal standard limit is 35 per 100 ml.

DENNIS - 3-26-2010 at 07:48 AM

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Originally posted by Martyman
Even San Diego pipes its waste 3 miles out into the ocean.

Well...not all of it:
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350,000-gallon sewage spill forces beach closures
By The Associated Press

Thursday, March 25, 2010 at 10:12 p.m.

DANA POINT, Calif. — Orange County health officials say three miles of beaches between Dana Point and San Clemente could remain closed through the weekend after a ruptured pipe sent more than 350,000 gallons of raw sewage pouring into the ocean.

Santa Margarita Water District spokeswoman Michele Miller says a 24-inch iron wastewater pipe ruptured Tuesday afternoon. She says workers found the source of the spill on Thursday and began fixing the pipe. They are expected to work through the night and the pipe is expected to be operational again on Friday.

A spokesman for the county's environmental health unit says the beach closures will be lifted once testing shows bacterial levels have fallen within state standards for two days in a row.

The Associated Press

Woooosh - 3-26-2010 at 07:51 AM

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Originally posted by jak
Hmm, it seems I can toss out my NOB concepts of waste treatment. The concept and picture of one cities use of rain as part of the infrastructure was quite illuminating.

Infrastructure? There are no fire hydrants either- so build with cement blocks. Mexico is doing great for a third world country. Even San Diego pipes its waste 3 miles out into the ocean.

There is a fire hydrant about a block away from my house in TJ. I've seen fire trucks use it. Perhaps your Rosarito experience doesn't apply to the whole country.

That's funny. You think they have a block-long fire hose to get that water to your burning house? The house around the corner burned down here last month- no hydrants and it took too long to fill the pumper to save it. I still stick to "Build with block".

Woooosh - 3-26-2010 at 07:56 AM

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Originally posted by arrowhead
http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Nacional/26032...

The beach at El Dorado Ranch, San Felipe is among the 12 most contaminated beaches in Mexico. It has 364 enterococcus bateria per 100 milliliters. There are only four beaches in all of Mexico with higher contamination. The US federal standard limit is 35 per 100 ml.

What is the Imperial Beach number? I remember back in the 80's when I surfed at dawn every day (Pacific Beach)- The Reader reported the hepatitis rate for surfers in San Diego was six times the rate of non-surfers...

http://rosaritoenlanoticia.blogspot.com/2010/03/alta-contami...

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Take That, DonJulio!

Bajahowodd - 3-26-2010 at 12:56 PM

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Woooosh - 3-26-2010 at 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by Donjulio
Yeah and flouride is poisonous and in all the drinking water in the US. Next!

At least the people NOB aren't all afraid to drink their own tap water. just saying...

arrowhead - 3-26-2010 at 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by Donjulio
Yeah and flouride is poisonous and in all the drinking water in the US. Next!

It sure is amazing that with all the poisoned water in the US, we still have a longer life expectancy than Mexicans.

Maybe it's our superior medical system?
:rolleyes:

thoughts on sewage treatment?

woody with a view - 3-26-2010 at 03:29 PM

i prefer it!

thanks for asking.....

Another miracle has occured in San Felipe

arrowhead - 3-27-2010 at 03:47 PM

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What a miracle! Only one day after the Mexican environmental agency lists the beach at El Dorado Ranch as the 4th most contaminated beach in all of Mexico, with 364 enterococcus bateria per 100 milliliters, the Baja California Tourism Ministry announces that it is safe. Once again, politics trumps science.

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http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Noticias/27032...

Aseguran que playas de BC son aptas para uso recreativo

En ese sentido de acuerdo a las mediciones realizadas a lo largo de los últimos meses, la totalidad de las playas monitoreadas son aptas para uso recreativo, incluyendo las playas de San Felipe, las cuales no han presentado condiciones que ameriten el cierre de estas playas para los bañistas.

Respecto al caso de San Felipe, con relación a las mediciones dadas a conocer por la Comisión Federal para la Protección contra Riesgos Sanitarios, se debe establecer que de acuerdo a la última muestra realizada el pasado 19 de marzo, los niveles de enterococos registrados estuvieron muy por debajo del límite que establece la Norma Oficial Mexicana de 200 enterococos por cada 100 mililitros.

Bajahowodd - 3-27-2010 at 05:05 PM

Not saying it's right, but there is a sense of desperation within the tourist oriented community. And, I think maybe they should be given a pass. After all, how many folks have vacationed in the San Felipe area in the past few decades?

Woooosh - 3-27-2010 at 07:09 PM

Anyone have a link to the whole WHO list? I couldn't find it. Thanks in advance.

wessongroup - 3-28-2010 at 04:40 AM

Used to work on water issues... this is one of many contaminats which continues to increase in our ground water.. and it is not regional, rather National and Global in scope.. as the population increases so does the degree of contamination of our groundwater...

And when one adds in drought conditions, the concentrations only are increased by decreased volume to dilute

"Massive Microbiological Groundwater Contamination Associated with a Waterborne Outbreak in Lake Erie, South Bass Island, Ohio"

Just one I grabbed from a Google search.. did not even go to the E.P.A. and/or Water Resources Boards of the States...

A minium treicary level of treatement and most are trying to get to the fouth level of treatment...

It would work, if the all the money which is now being spent on "Sparkletts" and all the other Companies who have gotten to the head of line on "GOOD Tasting water" where just spent on City, County and State Water Systems which are in place currently.. just up grade

In Mexico, in Baja at least... one would first have to establish a tax on all to support the construction of a "treatment system" and each city having one..... well, it does not seem possible to me at this time...

Personal whole house systems for treatment appear to be the only way to insure "potable water" is coming out of your tap, other than dealing with "bottled water"...

I know on individual on this board who has done this... put a inline whole house treatment system in... down in Ensenada.. seems to be a very smart thing to do...... to me... they are just filters and pvc... I would bet there are some smart folks right on this board that can whip up something in a heartbeat ....

Clean water

bajaguy - 3-28-2010 at 08:46 AM

Install a whole house particulate filter (to remove the large chunks) then run your house water line through one of these systems:

http://www.waterfixercompany.com/index.html