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Summer's coming -- the Pacific is waay cooler!

roamingthroughbaja - 4-3-2010 at 06:16 AM

Summer's coming and the Cortez side is starting to get hot. This is when we start thinking about how great it would be to live on the Pacific...can't do it--we're tied into La Paz for work. However, we love to visit with fellow Nomads Rob and Linda at Playas Pacificas in July and August when La Paz is sweltering. They have a new development of huge serviced lots for sale just fully permitted. Unlike a lot of other beaches on the Pacific, theirs is safe for swimming. Sitting in the waves drinking a ballena is more my style, but my husband loves to body surf.

The property has access to miles of secluded beaches, great off-shore fishing...it's like Baja used to be but with water and electricity.

Check out their website at www.playaspacificas.info

Osprey - 4-3-2010 at 06:55 AM

Roamer, you are making me absolutely giddy with the thought of more gringos heading for the Pacific side of this little sliver of land. There were few people here on this side when I vacationed here for over 40 years. The place had not yet filled up when I moved here for good 15 years ago. Over the last 20 years or so things have conspired to keep the place from overflowing -- ejido problems, realty problems, crime/drugs/danger elsewhere, economics, oil prices, etc. etc. and now "the hot summer rumor". I can help you -- all the fish are gone, dengue is rampant, tomatoes are sky high.

roamingthroughbaja - 4-3-2010 at 07:06 AM

Well, I know that in summer their tomato plants are sky high...they have a great organic garden. There's lots of fish, their lots are eligible for title insurance, they have water rights not tied up in the ejido...it's gorgeous.

Osprey - 4-3-2010 at 07:34 AM

Keep it up. I'll have this side all to myself.

sand pimp

baron - 4-3-2010 at 10:49 AM

Dude
Where is the gold neckless? I smell the cologne.

woody with a view - 4-3-2010 at 01:37 PM

drop a zero (from the price of the lots) and let's talk.....

[Edited on 4-3-2010 by woody in ob]

capt. mike - 4-3-2010 at 05:53 PM

i got with Robin today.
nice spot.
the vineyards will be an interesting amenity.

might take a while for the market to meet the asking -but - it is paradise and they are not making any more of it.

needs a Runway though....;)

roamingthroughbaja - 4-4-2010 at 08:40 AM

When you figure the project has been 8 years in the making, bringing in electricity, buying water rights, digging a well and putting in pumps and pipes to get the water from the well to the lots, the Environmental Impact Study, subdivision, permits and the size of the lots...the prices don't seem out of line. There are lots available in other areas that have none of the above and are cheaper. With these, Rob and Linda have done all the hard work for you.

roamingthroughbaja - 4-6-2010 at 10:04 AM

They are beautiful. We have tromped all over the property with Rob and Linda. They have a huge organic garden and plans for a vineyard in the rancho valley. The beaches go on forever with almost no one on them...just the occasional fisherman. It would be a cool place to live.

mtgoat666 - 4-6-2010 at 10:49 AM

ouch! at those prices, i think the lots should come with a house.

capt. mike - 4-6-2010 at 03:52 PM

per Robin - neighbors are doing the RW...very sweet.
it might all be ready for me in 10 years...

Pescador - 4-7-2010 at 10:16 AM

I always wonder if the purpose of a gated community is to keep the Norteamericanos in or to keep the natives out?

k-rico - 4-7-2010 at 11:04 AM

They are large lots. I did the arithmetic on the $130K (cheapest) lot and it came to $35 per square meter. Not bad I guess if the water and electricty hookups are right there at the lot and included in the price.

What do you folks think about the per meter asking price? I really don't know what the going rate is.

I didn't see any indication of utilities or roads being present in the photos on the website. Nor did I see an explanation of where the lots are except on the Pacific, one hour from La Paz. Somewhere north of Todos Santos I assume.

How far from the highway? Who maintains the road in? Paved, dirt?

capt. mike - 4-7-2010 at 11:24 AM

i think $6 a ft is absurd.
half that might make sense.

roamingthroughbaja - 4-7-2010 at 11:26 AM

To see where they are on a Google Earth view, go to www.lapaz-centenariohomes.com. Click on the tab at the left that says Playas Pacificas. The same lots are there, but these have a map. The link for the map is under the photos to the right. The price includes water and electricity to the lot line. The roads will be paved. The ranch gate is about a km from the beach and these lots are just above the beach, an easy 3 minutes walk on a gently sloping path.

roamingthroughbaja - 4-7-2010 at 11:32 AM

The turn off is at km 55 north of La Paz. The road in is 20 km of dirt to the ranch gate. Paved roads within the development only. (I tried to edit the above post but couldn't get my edit to post!)

[Edited on 4-7-2010 by roamingthroughbaja]

k-rico - 4-7-2010 at 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by capt. mike
i think $6 a ft is absurd.
half that might make sense.


There's about 11 sq. ft in a square meter so $35 a meter is about $3.20 a sq. ft.

And it really depends upon location. I bought a larger lot in the development I'm in in Playas de Tijuana and the extra dirt cost me $144 a sq. meter. Of course TJ is paradise. :tumble:

k-rico - 4-7-2010 at 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by Pescador
I always wonder if the purpose of a gated community is to keep the Norteamericanos in or to keep the natives out?


In TJ it's definitely to keep non-residents out, wherever they're from.

monoloco - 4-7-2010 at 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico
They are large lots. I did the arithmetic on the $130K (cheapest) lot and it came to $35 per square meter. Not bad I guess if the water and electricty hookups are right there at the lot and included in the price.

What do you folks think about the per meter asking price? I really don't know what the going rate is.

I didn't see any indication of utilities or roads being present in the photos on the website. Nor did I see an explanation of where the lots are except on the Pacific, one hour from La Paz. Somewhere north of Todos Santos I assume.

How far from the highway? Who maintains the road in? Paved, dirt?
There is 13000 meters of huerta land for sale below me with irrigation water and power for 20 dollars a meter. It's not more than 500 meters from a beautiful beach.

k-rico - 4-7-2010 at 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by monoloco
Quote:
Originally posted by k-rico
They are large lots. I did the arithmetic on the $130K (cheapest) lot and it came to $35 per square meter. Not bad I guess if the water and electricty hookups are right there at the lot and included in the price.

What do you folks think about the per meter asking price? I really don't know what the going rate is.

I didn't see any indication of utilities or roads being present in the photos on the website. Nor did I see an explanation of where the lots are except on the Pacific, one hour from La Paz. Somewhere north of Todos Santos I assume.

How far from the highway? Who maintains the road in? Paved, dirt?


There is 13000 meters of huerta land for sale below me with irrigation water and power for 20 dollars a meter. It's not more than 500 meters from a beautiful beach.


That's a good data point. Pescadero or TS? I wonder what the price per meter would be for 1000 meters in the same location.

tripledigitken - 4-7-2010 at 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico
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Originally posted by monoloco
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Originally posted by k-rico
They are large lots. I did the arithmetic on the $130K (cheapest) lot and it came to $35 per square meter. Not bad I guess if the water and electricty hookups are right there at the lot and included in the price.

What do you folks think about the per meter asking price? I really don't know what the going rate is.

I didn't see any indication of utilities or roads being present in the photos on the website. Nor did I see an explanation of where the lots are except on the Pacific, one hour from La Paz. Somewhere north of Todos Santos I assume.

How far from the highway? Who maintains the road in? Paved, dirt?


There is 13000 meters of huerta land for sale below me with irrigation water and power for 20 dollars a meter. It's not more than 500 meters from a beautiful beach.


That's a good data point. Pescadero or TS? I wonder what the price per meter would be for 1000 meters in the same location.


$100 m2 for 5,825m2 Nice lot!
http://mlstodossantos.com/20202/listings.asp?strPageSize=1&a...

Here are some more realistic properties.

http://mlstodossantos.com/20202/listings.asp?strCurrentPage=...

[Edited on 4-7-2010 by tripledigitken]

monoloco - 4-7-2010 at 03:05 PM

If it has water and power a 1000mt. lot would go for 30-60k depending on location but not on the beach.

roamingthroughbaja - 4-7-2010 at 03:44 PM

The lots at Playas Pacificas are between 2700 and 8700 m2. The price per m2 is between $30 and $62. The lots above aren't comparables. They either aren't by the beach, or they aren't serviced.

k-rico - 4-7-2010 at 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by roamingthroughbaja
The lots at Playas Pacificas are between 2700 and 8700 m2. The price per m2 is between $30 and $62. The lots above aren't comparables. They either aren't by the beach, or they aren't serviced.


Yeah but you don't need to plan an overnight trip to buy a can of coffee.

Just kidding, sort of...............

All sorts of considerations.

Nah!

Bajahowodd - 4-7-2010 at 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico
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Originally posted by roamingthroughbaja
The lots at Playas Pacificas are between 2700 and 8700 m2. The price per m2 is between $30 and $62. The lots above aren't comparables. They either aren't by the beach, or they aren't serviced.


Yeah but you don't need to plan an overnight trip to buy a can of coffee.

Just kidding, sort of...............

All sorts of considerations.



When facing 55km of paved, but, in some places, serpentine, and then another 20-some odd km of dirt, with no assurances as to its continuous maintenance, that ought to be a consideration. Not so sure anyone can get from any real serious shopping in La Paz to that site in an hour. Really.

In fact, isn't that kilometer reading one that begins at the fork in the road between Centenario and Comitan?

[Edited on 4-7-2010 by Bajahowodd]

roamingthroughbaja - 4-7-2010 at 04:25 PM

No, that's km 18. Km 1 is downtown La Paz. Lots of people who live in Baja are in isolated coastal areas...it's part of the life for them to go to town once a week for their main shopping and buy the small stuff locally.

Bajahowodd - 4-7-2010 at 04:26 PM

OK. Was just wondering. But, I still have to question the one hour trip.

roamingthroughbaja - 4-7-2010 at 04:31 PM

Yes, the times we have visited with Rob and Linda out there, it has taken us just over an hour...I guess they are more familiar with the road. It could be daunting to someone who prefers paved roads and city lights, but we have traveled further on worse in Baja and look forward to the beauty of the road less traveled. That's what it's all about.

k-rico - 4-7-2010 at 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by roamingthroughbaja
Lots of people who live in Baja are in isolated coastal areas...it's part of the life for them to go to town once a week for their main shopping and buy the small stuff locally.


Please don't take offense, I'm just jousting with you. Do these people you're speaking of typically spend a quarter of a million dollars to live in isolated Baja areas? I think that's the minimum you're talking about taking into consideration the lot and construction costs.

How about opening a nice RV Park first? MY Ford Condominium is ready to retire to a nice spot. ;)


[Edited on 4-8-2010 by k-rico]

monoloco - 4-7-2010 at 05:18 PM

It is very much like the old Baja out there, remote and beautiful with great fishing. To have a home with power and water in a well thought out community is a valuable thing even if it's a long way to the store.

roamingthroughbaja - 4-7-2010 at 05:18 PM

No offence taken, K-Rico, jousting is good. It gets everyone involved and thinking.

The development is definitely high-end. The lots are huge, but the price per square meter is pretty good compared to other ocean side communities. Rob and Linda just got all their permits, plans, etc., finalized a short time ago, so they, after 8 years of work, now have something they can actually sell, unlike a lot of "pre-sale" property that is available where there is nothing there but a big chunk of property.

That being said, the power and water are to the edge of the development. They still have to put the electricity underground to each of the lots, run the water in and pave the roads. They are anxious to get everything finished, and will take reasonable offers on the first few lots to facilitate that.

Paulclark - 4-7-2010 at 05:51 PM

--or come to the East Cape where the winters are pleasant and swimming is safe and buy a lot 1 hour from the airport -- 28 miles of dirt road --for $15.00 per square meter with water, and title insurance, in an established community and 5 minute walk from the beach -- power is solar but looking at CFE rates its a bargain.

roamingthroughbaja - 4-8-2010 at 07:24 AM

Here are the co-ordinates for Playas Pacificas: 23.988347, -110.901114

k-rico - 4-8-2010 at 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by roamingthroughbaja
Here are the co-ordinates for Playas Pacificas: 23.988347, -110.901114


Thanks.

On the slim chance that someone doesn't know what to do with lat/longs here's a

[url=maps.google.com/maps?q=23.988347,+-110.901114&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&oe=utf8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=%2B23%C2%B0+59'+18. 05%22,+-110%C2%B0+54'+4.01%22&ei=hDy-S_udKY2CNNHb8I8K&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBIQ8gEwAA]Google Map Link[/url]

Just a bit south of Punta Conejo, a place well known to a particular type of Nomad. Shhhh.......it's a secret. ;D


[Edited on 4-8-2010 by k-rico]

DENNIS - 4-8-2010 at 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico
Just a bit south of Punta Conejo, a place well known to a particular type of Nomad. Shhhh.......it's a secret. ;D


You mean that really secret surfing spot?
Ohhhhh.....I won't say a word.

k-rico - 4-8-2010 at 01:46 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by k-rico
Just a bit south of Punta Conejo, a place well known to a particular type of Nomad. Shhhh.......it's a secret. ;D


You mean that really secret surfing spot?
Ohhhhh.....I won't say a word.


Ah come on, you're spoiling my fun, I was hoping for the other to respond.

DENNIS - 4-8-2010 at 01:53 PM

Trust me. I won't say a word.

Maybe like this

wessongroup - 4-8-2010 at 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
OK. Was just wondering. But, I still have to question the one hour trip.


How about like this? ... to La Paz in an hour... this photo was taken from within the general area... not sure if it's on the exact same road ... google earth, from coordinates supplied... :lol::lol:

roamingthroughbaja - 4-9-2010 at 09:41 AM

Well, Paulclark, I started this post by saying that "it's waaay cooler on the Pacific" and talked about visiting with Rob and Linda during the summer when it's sweltering in Centenario. I know that winters are pleasant on both sides, but we live by the Sea of Cortez year round, and it's really hot here in the summer. If we had a "do over", we'd pick the Pacific on a swimmable beach. Rob and Linda don't even have a/c in their home, where we would have a hard time without it.