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Call For The Guard

CaboRon - 4-20-2010 at 07:20 AM

Arizona senators McCain, Kyl call for Guard on border
By JONATHAN J. COOPER, Associated Press Writer

Monday, April 19, 2010 at 3:43 p.m.

PHOENIX— After the shooting death of a rancher, Sens. Jon Kyl and John McCain once again called Monday for National Guard troops to be deployed along Arizona's border with Mexico.

The request for 3,000 troops was part of a 10-point plan that also includes hiring 3,000 more Customs and Border Protection agents for Arizona, building new fences along the border and increasing aerial surveillance.

The Arizona senators, both Republicans, said in a conference call with reporters that they would introduce federal legislation to implement their plan.

Gov. Jan Brewer requested a year ago that President Barack Obama deploy National Guard troops along the border. The senators supported her request at the time, but the Obama administration has not acted.

The latest proposal followed the death last month of rancher Rob Krentz on his land north of Douglas. Authorities believe he was fatally shot by an illegal immigrant possibly connected to a drug smuggling cartel.

"While we have the nation's attention, it's important that we strike now and we get these suggestions implemented now, because I really feel the window of opportunity will close very quickly," said Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever, whose office is investigating the killing.

McCain and Kyl also want to expand a program known as Operation Streamline that charges illegal immigrants with low-level crimes and requires them to spend time in jail instead of being immediately deported.

Kyl credited the program with reducing illegal immigration along stretches of the border where it's used.

Other elements of the plan include calls for more Border Patrol stations in the Tucson Sector, more horse patrols and a full-time federal magistrate in Cochise County.

It requests increased funding for programs that reimburse state and local authorities for their costs of detaining illegal immigrants.

"The communities in Arizona that suffer the negative impacts from illegal border crossings and the lawlessness along the southern border deserve the full support of the federal government," McCain said.

McCain is fighting off a primary challenge from the right. His opponent, former congressman J.D. Hayworth, has accused McCain of not doing enough to secure the border.

McCain said the new plan was not politically motivated and defended his record on the issue, saying he's been calling for more border security for years.

The senators' plan follows an 18-point plan released by the Arizona Cattle Growers Association, a lobbying group that also called for military deployment.

In 2006, President George W. Bush deployed National Guard troops along the border for a two-year assignment building fences, conducting surveillance and performing administrative tasks while recruiting and training new agents.

The Associated Press

Woooosh - 4-20-2010 at 11:21 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100419/pl_afp/usmexicoimmigrat...

BillP - 4-20-2010 at 12:10 PM

For every action there's an opposite and equal reaction.
Under Cartel reasoning, I'm hoping US citizens in Mexico do not become targets as retaliation.

Bajahowodd - 4-20-2010 at 12:22 PM

McCain says his new plan is not politically motivated. Right! Then why is it that virtually every Republican is falling over themselves trying to claim a position farther to the right than their opponent? Look at Whitman and Poizner in California. The ironic truth about this situation is that virtually all economic forecasts look to an ever-increasing shortage of labor in the US, with a shortfall projected to be as much as 12 million by 2018. Instead of building walls, we'll be holding job fairs!

http://gbr.pepperdine.edu/042/laborshortage.html

DENNIS - 4-20-2010 at 01:03 PM

In my opinion, the Arizona/Mex border isn't being used to it's full advantage. It should be the entrance to a trap.
Sadly, I'm more convinced each day that the US government doesn't want to stop the flow of drugs across the border into the streets. If they really had that as their goal, they would be making some kind of effort to control the entrance. But, they have a thousand reasons why that can't be done.
Pure BS.

A Dichotomy?

Bajahowodd - 4-20-2010 at 01:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
In my opinion, the Arizona/Mex border isn't being used to it's full advantage. It should be the entrance to a trap.
Sadly, I'm more convinced each day that the US government doesn't want to stop the flow of drugs across the border into the streets. If they really had that as their goal, they would be making some kind of effort to control the entrance. But, they have a thousand reasons why that can't be done.
Pure BS.


You may well be correct. And the odd thing is that by and large, the consensus of US opinion is that it's the undocumented workers that are the problem. So, that's where the politicos do their pandering. Guess that comes with the economic times.

DENNIS - 4-20-2010 at 02:15 PM

I'm not done ranting.
To make matters more ludicrous, the cartels openly compete for the paths of least resistance into the US. They tell the world that they want control of a certain area along the border because that's where they intend to cross with tons of illicit drugs. They may as well throw Bon Voyage partys at the line for the mules that carry their poison.
The US knows this. I mean, If I know it I'm sure they know it as well.
I can't help but believe the US is part of this conspiracy. They most certainly are by their tacit acceptance of the situation. Seemingly, they extend a larger effort terrorizing US citizens at the ports of entry than they do to stop the flow of drugs across the border in Arizona.
Something is clearly wrong with this picture, but for the life of me, I can't figure it out.

Bob H - 4-20-2010 at 07:26 PM

The DEA has ranked each US State regarding the magnitude of Federal drug seizures. For the Mexican border states: California ranks #10... Arizona #13, New Mexico #5 and Texas is #12.

Number 1 is South Carolina
Number 2 is Florida

As we all know, the task to combat drug smuggling activities involved within the US is huge... a lot more than just the drug smuggling problems along Mex/US border - These problems are magnified a thousand times over globally.

Excellent link here with many details/statistics.
http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/state_factsheets.html

[Edited on 4-21-2010 by Bob H]

grmpb - 4-20-2010 at 07:33 PM

as long as there is a demand, there will be a supply!!

Bob H - 4-20-2010 at 08:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by grmpb
as long as there is a demand, there will be a supply!!


And, jobs to fight it....

durrelllrobert - 4-21-2010 at 10:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
In my opinion, the Arizona/Mex border isn't being used to it's full advantage. It should be the entrance to a trap.
Sadly, I'm more convinced each day that the US government doesn't want to stop the flow of drugs across the border into the streets. If they really had that as their goal, they would be making some kind of effort to control the entrance. But, they have a thousand reasons why that can't be done.
Pure BS.

The US still has millions of scatterable land mines they need to get rid of. Dump along border with large signs saying "MINE FIELD - DO NOT ENTER". Cheaper than deploying 3000 troops :?::?:

DENNIS - 4-21-2010 at 10:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by durrelllrobert
The US still has millions of scatterable land mines they need to get rid of. Dump along border with large signs saying "MINE FIELD - DO NOT ENTER". Cheaper than deploying 3000 troops :?::?:


Good idea, Just Bob. And, to show our heart's in the right place, make the printing on those signs just like you did above. In English....and maybe Arabic. Chinese and French...don't forget Farsi and German. And...uhhh...who's left?
I guess we got everybody. :lol:

Whatever it Takes

MrBillM - 4-21-2010 at 11:40 AM

Secure the Border.

Troops, Walls, Mines (well, maybe not Mines). I liked the idea years ago of planting non-lethal exploding Dye-Bombs which would cover those who tripped them with an indelible ink. Worth a try. Another good trick would be to add something to the water stops that are being provided in the desert. They're easier to run down if they're drugged.

Round em up and Head em out, Rowdy.

Martyman - 4-21-2010 at 01:26 PM

Open up the border. Just like the old days with the big holes in the fence. Was there a problem? All those new fences have really "solved" things.

toneart - 4-21-2010 at 01:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BillP
For every action there's an opposite and equal reaction.
Under Cartel reasoning, I'm hoping US citizens in Mexico do not become targets as retaliation.


I have been worrying about that for quite awhile now.

toneart - 4-21-2010 at 01:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob H
Quote:
Originally posted by grmpb
as long as there is a demand, there will be a supply!!


And, jobs to fight it....


Yep, quite an industry in itself, huh! :smug: Dennis, you say you can't figure it out. Well, ugly as it may be...there it is!

Taxpayers rejoice! Here is yet another way you can vote against your own self interests. :fire:

The Bad and the Ugly

C-Urchin - 4-21-2010 at 02:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob H
The DEA has ranked each US State regarding the magnitude of Federal drug seizures. For the Mexican border states: California ranks #10... Arizona #13, New Mexico #5 and Texas is #12.

Number 1 is South Carolina
Number 2 is Florida

As we all know, the task to combat drug smuggling activities involved within the US is huge... a lot more than just the drug smuggling problems along Mex/US border - These problems are magnified a thousand times over globally.


CORRUPTION. Oh, never mind, we call it "special interest" here...

Excellent link here with many details/statistics.
http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/state_factsheets.html

[Edited on 4-21-2010 by Bob H]

bajajazz - 4-21-2010 at 04:07 PM

It is a given that massive crime can only occur if it is permitted by the massive corruption of those whose job it is to enforce the law.

The "war on drugs" is show business.

9/11 happened because of the simultaneous failure of eleven different government agencies to do their job.

One is compelled to be either a conspiracy theorist or a coincidence theorist. Regarding coincidence, I'm with Freud.

Solving the Immigration Dilemma

MrBillM - 4-22-2010 at 03:32 PM

It might be worth it to allow those Illegals already in the U.S. to remain IF we could get Mexico to Take and KEEP Janet Napolitano.

They probably wouldn't keep the bargain, though, thinking the price too high.

[Edited on 4-22-2010 by MrBillM]