NOMAD EVALUATION

Mi dos centavos.

This place is tamed............

And how I miss JR!

Negative remarks and wisecracks has always been part of this forum. It's tamed compared to 3-4 years ago! Yes...I was here too under a different User name.

I find the current forum "entertaining" at times with these baited responses

This is not a place for the thin skinned or the faint of heart!

I am here at the Sernadad tonight.. the Fiesta party
As always great music and the margaritas are flowing..

I ahve nothing bad to say about Baja tonight

IMO a lot of the older ( time active on the Nomads not necessarily age) Nomads may have run their course with new adventures in Baja. Using myself as example I seem to run the same type adventures over and over. Don't get the wrong idea, I'm doing what I like. It just seems a bit boring after it been covered a few times. So we really need to have the new members, the one that we old guys/gals have tried to encourage with our adventures to tell us and the even new members about their experiences. Come on you young chit$ start typ'n!

Jeeeeezo Irene....I thought this was the first time.

I love you sweety. Thanks for your thoughts.

Dennis, Thank god for "Co-pilot" and 500 miles I think Pompano kinda like ya

Thanks, Russ. We know.

Ouch!

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Originally posted by Russ Dennis, Thank god for "Co-pilot" and 500 miles I think Pompano kinda like ya

I know, Russ. How do you think I'll look lounging across the foredeck of his boat?

Osprey, sometimes I have trouble differentiating between your factual & fictional posts! Since this one is brief, I'm reading it as sincere utterings.

Respectfully, I'd like to offer up that I sincerely doubt that "WE ((most)) WON'T SHARE HOW WE FEEL FOR FEAR WE MIGHT OFFEND"....on the contrary, I feel than many lurkers won't share/post because they read too many posts attacking/ridiculing/name calling other members. Same for the lack of participation of long time or former posters.

IMO, Baja Nomad has lost its former essence of helpful, sharing & sincere good camaraderie & I feel that's due to a relative small number of posters....a few (okay, maybe 1!) of which are/is permanently banned....until they reinvent themselves under a new alias!; some who are evidently in time-out & alas, a small number who remain that seem to thrive on negativity & animosity.

IMO, it's sad that a few schoolyard bullies have been allowed to drive so much valuable knowledge & experience off the site & intimidate a potential infusion of new blood from public participation....for fear of being a target for blood sports!

Evidently "agreeing to disagree" & doing it respectfully is a lost art!

As others have stated, I deplore the negativity & sniping! When someone posts a genuine request for help or information, for the most part, I've taken to going underground & U2U'ing, despite the fact that I believe others might potentially benefit from the knowledge & experiences I have to share.

IMO, the screwing around even on serious threads has gotten totally out of hand, as has the intentional misspelling of foul language to slide under the profanity checker radar. I personally would like to see Doug enforce his posted site rules....or modify them to what he allows in reality. And last, but not least, I sincerely miss the site having a second moderator to help Doug keep this a friendly, helpful & comfortable place to visit.

A POV for Dennis




A polarized forum? Nomads friends or potential friends have been pseudo-divided by politics. Many people have been categorically dissed by the fierce and hateful words pasted across so many threads.

In takes a strong constitution to engage and defend ones' personal opinion against such strong words and authority. . How far will someone go defending that opinion is soon found out.

Most folks get seasoned rather quickly these days or plain just don't post. They are intimidated for sure. Internet savvy bullies lurk around every post though waiting to pounch if someone makes the mistake of crossing that proverbial line.

Then there are the minions and sheeple alike waiting alongside these dominate voices to echo the sometimes vicious and degrading remarks, perhaps for nothing in their minds.

So I currently find this politically motivated behavior disgusting and unworthy of social credit. Doug did not do his job to moderate in my opinion. You said it early on and repeatedly I think...... "end the thread"

Now it's too late for these people who for years had my respect and always the benefit of doubt. It's sad when people have to pull out their dirty laundry. I think they have regressed or something. I have never seen this behavior like the recent stuff.

It's like they don't GAF what rolls off their fingers. They mock other Nomads and their neighbors at the same time. Friggin' unAmerican imo, friggin' unpatriotic to lay blame and point fingers at each other. Tiring.


The failure to rectify or solve important global issues are epitomized here in this forum.

Therefore, what can I say, except that there are a few over-animated and non-selfcensoring individuals who smear the board with ugly words. It may be entertaining for for a few(obviously) but for most of the audience, they gave up food-fights decades ago.


Another observation might be that attrition and the reluctance of liberals'(aka "the weakminded") to fight border politics here in this forum has taken its' toll.

It's a Republican forum and no room for liberal thinkers it seems to have become. Look how far DK has gone and he's a man of peace!

I've never seen so many looking for a fight since partying in San Pedro 40 years ago.


Get over it people, the enemies are NOT in our country.

amen

I think its good people are allowed their own opinion here on this board! There are several others that you dare not breathe a personal opinion as people receive it as a personal threat!
Not to even mention how much good info comes from this forum!!IMPO!!

I don't argue politics (environmental, racial, party affiliation) or religion it's a losing argument everytime. I first joined BN to get information about venturing further south of the border than I had ever done before. I was given informative answers to questions and I have since made 3 trips (no trip reports because of the political comments made) to the tip and back since joining.

I like reading the trip reports, the offroading , the fishing reports, the real estate discussions and enjoy the pictures..other than that I don't participate much on this forum;

REASON is I don't like the way that many members are so judgemental..An example would be..If a member asks a questions and it is answered with pictures and links to help the member understand the answer and you don't like the person that posted the answer Why do you have to Blast them for trying to help? You Don't Have to jump on the person's shiat that answered if you don't agree but you Do Have to offer up a different answer.. To Much Negative Energy and Flaming of others goes on here....

I really enjoy the website, don't visit as much anymore I think Better Moderation is needed IMHO...

meme, Thank you.

Isn't this thread Off-Topic

Seriously, there have been many excellent posts following up on Dennis' remarks.

If I was understanding what "legs" posted, it is true that perhaps the most egregious offender has been dealt with for now. That said, I'm glad my job is not moderator. It's gotta be a thankless and difficult job to maintain a balance between boring and brawling. In all the time I've been around here, I'm sure I offended some. It was not intentional. (Well, may a couple of times) Similarly, I have been the recipient of remarks that I was not pleased about. But, at the end of the day, this community is like a family. We're not always going to agree with, or get along with everyone. But we all have a certain bond. That bond can be found in the title of the web site.

Bajahowodd, Good point! But??? We'll wade thru all the BS, and after all is said and done, life goes on, I'll be living it. As for you? Good luck.

Yes, but I hate him for changing my name to Just BoB. I thought I was better than that

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Originally posted by durrelllrobert Yes, but I hate him for changing my name to Just BoB. I thought I was better than that

Robert,
Don't show your sensitive side.
Somebody will pounce on that.

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Originally posted by vandenberg Robert, Don't show your sensitive side. Somebody will pounce on that.

yeah

hey Chris nice seeing you last night too.

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Originally posted by LaTijereta I am here at the Sernadad tonight.. the Fiesta party As always great music and the margaritas are flowing.. I ahve nothing bad to say about Baja tonight

"I've been collaborating online since way before the Internet and historically the general rule of behavior has been to avoid things online that one wouldn't say face to face. It's human to slip occasionally, but the level of constant intentional incivility on this particular forum is downright discouraging."

No comment about the level of incivility, but I have to wonder just how you could be collaboratng online before the internet. Sounds just a tad difficult.

Makes sense to me Lencho, as scary as that might be! In a nutshell, the communication capabilities & infrastructure had to be in place for WWW to be born. Most technology doesn't happen overnight....it evolves slowly & usually for a single narrow application & expands out to other applications.

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Originally posted by lencho Quote: Originally posted by capt. mike anyone who takes this internet crap seriously needs a colonoscopy and a rectal exam of the cabeza too!! Mike, this isn't directed at you personally, but is about the concept I repeatedly hear on this forum that "it's only the Internet." As if that somehow justified acting out in ways unacceptable in other media or in person. Where on Earth do folks come up with this idea? Does the fact that I'm not looking someone in the face somehow invalidate the communication, or the fact that there are real human beings on the other side of the screen? Is it because we can act irresponsibly without fear of immediate physical reprisal? I've been collaborating online since way before the Internet and historically the general rule of behavior has been to avoid things online that one wouldn't say face to face. It's human to slip occasionally, but the level of constant intentional incivility on this particular forum is downright discouraging. Where are folks coming up with this "it's only the Internet" stuff? --Larry

Good to hear your "voice" again dianaji! I agree with you about our Dennis.Me thinks he can take just about anything!

i follow that Lencho and unnerstand

from where you are coming. What i mean i guess is remote communication has taken the personal inflection away from how we lead our lives. used to be a firm handshake and a look into the eyes consumated $$ MM deals, men (and not leaving gals out) had honor and their words were bonded in the soul of proper decorum.... then came the telegraph and you really didn't know what or who you were "dealing with".
don't EVEN get me started on wireless!! that Marconi guy REALLY effed up our way of life!!

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Originally posted by lencho Quote: Originally posted by capt. mike anyone who takes this internet crap seriously needs a colonoscopy and a rectal exam of the cabeza too!! Mike, this isn't directed at you personally, but is about the concept I repeatedly hear on this forum that "it's only the Internet." As if that somehow justified acting out in ways unacceptable in other media or in person. Where on Earth do folks come up with this idea? Does the fact that I'm not looking someone in the face somehow invalidate the communication, or the fact that there are real human beings on the other side of the screen? Is it because we can act irresponsibly without fear of immediate physical reprisal? I've been collaborating online since way before the Internet and historically the general rule of behavior has been to avoid things online that one wouldn't say face to face. It's human to slip occasionally, but the level of constant intentional incivility on this particular forum is downright discouraging. Where are folks coming up with this "it's only the Internet" stuff? --Larry

Being fairly new to the forum board world in general, Its a love - hate- thing. My first posting brought out the rath of a crazy person and I think it has freaked me out or at least made me very careful.

While I do miss the fur flying antics of some of the haters who have been banned, they frankly scared the heck out of me. Posting information albeit accurate or speculative on identities, IP numbers or even character assesments is too much for me. But if you give ammunition to a hater, don't be suprised if they use it. I try to be very careful of what I post now.

There is also the current events issues, which in Baja Norte can be down right dangerous. A recent event in Rosarito comes to mind. While I was desperately searching for information, I was afraid to share my knowledge for fear of endangering the parties involved.

I feel with my 30 plus years of Baja experience, I should share more, but have been afraid to for fear of exposure of personal information, location or ridicule.

See in this very post I gave you an idea about my age and location. I disect every post that way. You can tell I have paranoid tendencies as well.

And on this board as well as in life you need to contribute as well as take.

Thanks everyone for giving me forum board lessons, the hard ones as well.

....So just use the same rules as in the real world and remember you have more time to think about it before you go getting all emotional and banging those keys!

I too enjoy the board

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Originally posted by knuckles Quote: Originally posted by Osprey Ah, there's the beauty of the board. It is said "Never let em see you sweat". The way to do that in cyberplace is to remain silent to an attack. The whole board wonders if you are silent after abuse because you are afraid, smart or really cunning. . ....So just use the same rules as in the real world and remember you have more time to think about it before you go getting all emotional and banging those keys! I too enjoy the board

Hell, I finally learned how to use the quotes, give me another 6 months to learn how to delete my stupid posts.

Great topic

I too find myself lurking more than contributing. This board sometimes reminds me of the border crossings when people become aggressive fools. But, there are also ALOT of thoughtful, considerate posts that will let you change lanes to get where you need to go.

Every board has it's good and bad. Overall I love this board and the people here as it has helped make my trips to Baja more fun. Found many great places to go as a result of the information found here. Also, feel safer as a result of keeping up to date about "things" going on south of the border.

When I do run across the ugly banter I just move on. Having a more inclusive attitude will be helpful to all.

Rule #1- NEVER POST ANYTHING ABOUT REAL ESTATE unless you want to be chum.

[Edited on 5-10-2010 by lookingandbuying]

It is just like everything, and everywhere. Some of it is nice, some times you run into hemaroids. I avoid arguements in person, and online. It is much easier to keep a short fuse unlit, than it is to put it out. I rarely venture into the Off-Topic area, a few people there light my fuse. As a whole this site is great, just a couple roids to deal with!! I've made a few friends, will make many more over time. I need no enemies at this time. The politicians have filled my dance card!

Well I do believe that the central question is/was/could have been...What would JR have said

Dennis...You suck! So do all the rest of you!

Ok...Game reset. You can all start over by sucking up to me.

Baja is good!

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Originally posted by toneart Dennis...You suck! So do all the rest of you! Ok...Game reset. You can all start over by sucking up to me. Baja is good!

Ah Tony your the best!

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Originally posted by toneart

Bajaeng

Dennis,

I'm glad you saw the humor and the spirit in my previous post. It was, of course, a parody. Seriously, I love the BajaNomad for being the best source of topical Baja information. Often it is the only source. Most Nomads who know the answers to poster's questions are very helpful in posting their knowledge. Kudos for Doug for maintaining this site as a labor of love.

I also enjoy the spirited philosophical debates. Even the Know-It-Alls really don't!. There are always new insights that we can learn from others. I strive to give information and philosophy based on my truths learned from personal experiences and from having lived this long. When I am merely offering opinion I will say so. When I am answering question regarding Baja that I know from experience, I try to be responsibly accurate.

The political stances are tolerable if stated without name calling or rancor of any sort. I will occasionally jump in but try to take the high road. Those who don't lose credibility and consequently, my respect.

Throughout my life, in the real world offline, or online, I have never tried to offend. Here on the BajaNomad there have been a few people who have gone out of their way to attack me. All but two have been banned. I now ignore them and do not feed their troll souls. One even threatened my life. I have to assume that, in their narrow frame of prejudice and hate, they lumped me in with perceived political groups or attitudes they hate and/or fear.

I have many Nomad friends who hold similar and also dissimilar ideologies from me. They remain civil and I carry on the friendships in private emails. Some I have met in person and it is always a delight! I sincerely hope to meet many many more of you in person in the future.

DoD was a more prominent participant and used it for much more than relaying message traffic

I secund phat

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Originally posted by durrelllrobert Quote: Originally posted by DanO IMHO the only additional thing this board has ever really needed is a spell checker. I secund phat

Hey! What do you mean? I've got a spill Chucker.