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COPPER CANYON TIPS ??

BajaBlanca - 5-8-2010 at 09:46 PM

Les has informed me that we shall soon head off to Copper Canyon - this is NOT Baja related BUT can anyone give us hints - tips - suggestions ?????
We will be driving to la paz. then taking the ferry across. then taking the train.:bounce::bounce:

chippy - 5-9-2010 at 07:10 AM

I would not take the train from Los Mochis.Drive to El Fuerte instead. There are a few nice hotels there that you can leave your vehicle and its a great little colonial town. The train ride from Los Mochis to El Fuerte is flat and boring and you would have to get up hours earlier in the dark. Take extra batteries for your camera you will be taking alot of photos. We stayed in a hotel on the rim. I highly recomend it. Unbelievable sunsets and the sunrises weren´t to shabby either. Google it there is alot of info out there. Have a great trip!

shari - 5-9-2010 at 07:24 AM

oh blanca....I envy you...I so wanna do that trip...have a fantastic time! You deserve it. Please do a trip report afterwards.

Paulclark - 5-9-2010 at 07:30 AM

Sit in the club car or the restaurant -- you get a better, more panoramic view as the seats in the passenger cars are high back and limit your view to the window beside you, while the club car seats are low back. Also ignore the no standing between cars sign. The conductor doesn't mind and with the top door open you can look out and get spectacular shots.

[Edited on 5-9-2010 by Paulclark]

bajajudy - 5-9-2010 at 07:42 AM

The name of the hotel on the rim is Mirador and it is spectacular. When we were there we had a storm that had me in my rubber sole shoes in our room, because the lightening was all around us.
I would recommend that you allow yourself the time to go the floor of the canyon at least once.
We really enjoyed Hotel Mision in Cerocahui. You can do a day trip down into the canyon here but start early. It was here that we found the ladies who weave baskets out of pine needles. I have some that still smell like pine.
I was underwhelmed with Divisadero but the open air food court at the train station is fabulous. You will get tired of train food so eat off the beaten track at any opportunity.
The only suggestion we have always made to people doing the trip is dont do the train both ways but since you are leaving your car where you start(I would also recommend El Fuerte as the starting point!) I dont think that you will have a choice.
It was one of the most interesting trips I have ever been on, so enjoy!

I took this trip...

Dave - 5-9-2010 at 08:44 AM

Over 25 years ago. We left out of Chihuahua. Along with a vist to the canyon floor, a memorable side trip was a trek to the Basaseachi falls. IMO, it is not to be missed.

I have since learned there is an even larger falls located in the canyons. Don't know if it is readily accessible, though.

Have a wonderful time!

Ken Cooke - 5-9-2010 at 10:29 AM

I did a driving trip there in early 2007. Have a great time!

El Divisadero - The Tarahumara sell lots of recuerdos at reasonable prices.
[http://www.justruns.com/gallery2/d/6400-2/Native+weavers+at+Diverisadero.jpg]

The route running through Canyon country.
[http://www.justruns.com/gallery2/d/6523-2/Road+sign.jpg]

Urique Canyon
[http://www.justruns.com/gallery2/d/6600-2/Overlook.jpg]

Here is what El Rio FUERTE looks like
[http://www.justruns.com/gallery2/d/6607-2/Storm+coming+in.jpg]

The Ciudad Fuerte is very quaint, and you'll love the walk on the Malecon (Boardwalk) there in town. Beautiful place, IMO.

Tip of the day: Take a ride through Creel, Chihuahua to see where the canyon dwellers live - in actual caves!:o Have a great time, and enjoy the cool, clean air at the top of the mountains. I was there in the winter, and while El Fuerte was warm, Creel was cold/under snow.

-Ken


[Edited on 5-9-2010 by Ken Cooke]

DianaT - 5-9-2010 at 10:43 AM

We really like the town of Creel ---hope you enjoy it. Also, a trip down to Batopilas is sometime you will not forget. The road is a fun one especially if you are in a bus---it is better than years ago, but it is still a wild ride. They also rent small trucks in Creel if you want to drive down.

We stayed at the hotel in Batopilas that is right on the plaza---Nice people and interesting place, but it very well might be quite hot at the bottom of the canyon. It is a totally different climate.

From Batopilas a quick trip out to the "lost mission" is interesting.

We have been there several times, but the last time we took the train, almost 20 years ago, we started in Chihuahua, stayed in Creel and then rode to Los Mochis. The best part of the train trip is between Creel and El Fuerte. I guess the new trains are quite nice----the old one was straight out of an old western movie.

It is a beautiful area----have fun!

Bajahowodd - 5-9-2010 at 01:43 PM

Don't wish to spoil the party... Took the round trip from Chihuahua in 2001. However, there has been recent cartel violence in and around Divisadero, prompting the State Department to add that area to its watch list.

BajaBlanca - 5-9-2010 at 03:11 PM

such great ideas ...thanks all of you so much !!!! NOW, I am REALLY excited ...

Copper Canyon

bigmike - 5-9-2010 at 03:46 PM

We just returned from doing this trip, however we drove from Ensenada to Tecate, across the toll road, then took the new road to Puerto Penasaco, to San Carlos and then to El Fuerte, stayed at the El Choix in El Fuerte reasonable and very nice, was able to leave my car there while we were on the train, stayed in Creel at the Best Westerm, very nice like cabins but upgraded, the to Posada Baranca where we stayed at the Mirador over the Canyon Fantastic views.
Back to El Fuerte then took the ferry to La Paz where we stayed a week before driving home to Ensenada, if you would like to send me a message I would be happy to send you my pictures on Picasa.
It was a trip of a lifetime, definetly sit in the bar car on the ride as you can see out the windows much easier. Have a great trip.

wilderone - 5-11-2010 at 05:53 PM

As I recall, first class train has more or less assigned seating with porter service, so if you take a trip to the bar car, you don't lose your seat. Also, if you snag a spot in between the train cars to take photos, you must guard it or risk someone squeezing in and not letting you back in. We used "stand-ins" to save our spot. The street food vendors offer many selections - you won't go hungary. Also, be sure to hit Batopilas if time permits - a couple nights at least. The bus leaves for Creel about 6:00 am on the return trip. Take rain ponchos. You get a feel for the quaint town, and its charms, and the ride is spectacular. Get bus tickets about 2 blocks from Margarita's in Creel at the Bus station - about $18 (??) or so. Leaves EARLY - but a great adventure. The Rio Fuerte Hotel offers great views, local color, hummingbirds, tour guides. At least check it out. Have a wonderful trip.

Bajafun777 - 5-11-2010 at 06:16 PM

If you decide to stay in Los Mochis, a great town, the Best Western on Avenue Alvaro Obregon #691 Los Mochis, Sinaloa 81200 phone number is 1 (52) 16688163000 right across the street from the big Catholic Church and Park Square is great. We used Expedia to book it and for 2 nights with tax ran about $200 dollars. This is a high end hotel with secure parking and you can make arrangements to leave you vehicle there while going to Copper Canyon. Very good food at hotel, great service, can arrange ride to train then a pickup service when you get back, hotel very helpful with these things. Music and venders in Park on Friday and Saturday nights along with a great fish resturant up 3 short blocks from the hotel. No problem driving down there, as we have done it about 7 times counting just this past February. Have Fun and The Copper Canyon is Fun and Pictures are a must as my friends all tell me, LOL.. I really liked the others nomads suggestions as well, will keep those in mind when I take my relatives down for the Copper Canyon Fun Train ride. Later--------- Bajafun777

wessongroup - 5-11-2010 at 07:39 PM

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Originally posted by DianaT
We really like the town of Creel ---hope you enjoy it.
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This may have been just a bay day....but 8 people were killed.... heavily armed men setting up road blocks and doing anything they wished to do..... on this particular day in the town of Creel

Have a good time... but, be careful..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTaS41pxf-I&feature=playe...

Looks a bit like Iraq..... but, it is in Mexico

As someone posted above, the Cartels are active in this area....

[Edited on 5-16-2010 by wessongroup]

[Edited on 5-16-2010 by wessongroup]

Copper Canyon trip

volcano - 5-12-2010 at 06:32 AM

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Originally posted by BajaBlanca
Les has informed me that we shall soon head off to Copper Canyon - this is NOT Baja related BUT can anyone give us hints - tips - suggestions ?????
We will be driving to la paz. then taking the ferry across. then taking the train.:bounce::bounce:


I would hghly recommend getting off at Bauchvo for a side trip..make reservations via email/website wth Ranch Paraiso del Oso, they will pick you up at the train by pre arrangement. Stay out at their ranch for a few days and get a feel for inner canyon life. see the website to think about activities there: hiking to caves with prehistoric runs, horse rides to same, trp down to river level, visit local community, see Tarahumara Indians running along trails etc etc

bajabass - 5-12-2010 at 07:03 AM

If you fish, Lake Huites is up in the mountains above Choix. Some of the best bass fishing in Mexico. In '01, a friend and I caught nearly 100 bass a day, for 3 days straight. The train runs right over one of the many rivers that feed the lake. Spectacular scenery on the lake. We were amazed by all the birds. Eagles fishing, hawks, cranes, ducks, geese, literally millions! Take a ton of batteries and extra memory for your camera.

Neal Johns - 5-12-2010 at 08:14 AM

See my '99 overland trip reports and pics at:

http://www.desertexplorers.org/ccfotos.htm

http://www.desertexplorers.org/tr-cucyn99/cucyn.htm

http://www.desertexplorers.org/patvirg.htm

http://www.desertexplorers.org/hughes.htm

BajaBlanca - 5-12-2010 at 09:23 AM

Big Mike - amazing pics

??? We are thinking of taking the slow train and ending up at Creel, then going to Batopilas ... has anyone taken the slow train?

it rains once a year in Bocana, have to hunt for some rain gear

Baja Bass, since I myself dont fish - I think we will leave the fishing for Bocana - come check us out !!! lots of fun and challenging from aug to dec

thanks all of you - i have printed out everything so as not to miss anything you wrote

bajajudy - 5-12-2010 at 09:33 AM

I would have to say dont take the slow train which I believe is considerably cheaper and uncomfortable. I only saw it from a distance but I would guess that finding a seat would be a challenge. It is not slow for the sightseeing, it is slow because it is a local train and must give way to the other trains. The ones we saw were crowded with people standing in the cars, between the cars...anywhere they could. I dont believe that they have food but I could be wrong. I am sure that they dont have a bar car.
I took the trip in 2003 so things could have changed.

wilderone - 5-12-2010 at 09:39 AM

On one of my Copper Canyono trips, we stayed a couple days in Madera - a small wood milling town on the edge of pine forest. Venturing from town, to the forest, there are Anasazi ruins in the canyon walls a few miles before you cross the Rio Sirupe - very impressive. If you stay at Madera, ask at hotel registration for a taxi driver who knows the location of the Cumplejo de Anasazi to take you - it's difficult to determine the turn-off from the road. You can see pot sherds, waffle gardens, eagles, great views. The specialty in Madera is lake trout.

BajaBlanca - 5-12-2010 at 11:06 AM

any suggestions on the best place to buy pottery ?

Neal Johns - 5-12-2010 at 11:43 AM

Pottery, Mata Ortiz/Casas Grandes Pottery is the way to go.

A separate car trip to Mata Ortiz, about 100 miles below the AZ border on good paved roads is the way to get pottery at half price. You also pass the ruins at nearby Paquimé. Great ruins and Museum. History of the town Mata Ortiz and Master Potter Juan Quezada that started it all: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mata_Ortiz

BajaBlanca - 5-12-2010 at 02:23 PM

Just had someone stop by who has done the slow train and said if you are not in ahurry (and we are not), this is the way to go :)

Neal - love the idea for the Mata Ortiz , will discuss with Les

bigmike - 5-12-2010 at 02:35 PM

Don't take the local train, it was packed to the gills, no food car, no bar car, yes much cheaper but I think you would have trouble seeing the views as it was so crowded in there.

BajaBlanca - 5-12-2010 at 05:19 PM

Can anyone tell us the best way to get to Mata Ortiz ? We can rent a car or ????? take a bus bus ???? what town is the closest ???

Neal Johns - 5-12-2010 at 09:04 PM

BajaBlanca - starting where?

We cross the border at Douglas, AZ , then Janos, then Casas Grandes/Paquimé, then Colonia Juarez, then Mata Ortiz.

If you go, I have a great couple in Colonia Juarez (not the border Juarez) you should meet. On one of my Copper Canyon trips I dropped in with 12 people they did not know and they solved a flat tire repair problem, fed them, and the people were all in love with them. Part of the Romney clan. As in Mitt and George. Colonia Juarez was one of the several Mormon colonies in Mexico.
Neal

wilderone - 5-13-2010 at 09:12 AM

The closest large town is Casas Grandes. Not sure if you can rent a car there. No bus service that I'm aware of, however, I'm sure a taxi can take you. Maybe one of the potters can take you back to Casas Grandes. You can spend the night in Mata Ortiz - there are at least 3 places that I'm aware of and have stayed at - a great way to get the feel for this small town - so many fine people to visit with - meals are usually included. You might also get one of the potters to take you out to the ruins in the Sierra Madre the next day - need clearance and 4wd comes in handy at times. They all drive trucks there.

BajaBlanca - 5-13-2010 at 09:58 AM

Neal - we will be on the train. we start at los mochis and travel west

wilderone - is casas grandes near any of the train stops ?

how far - timewise - is mata ortiz from casas grandes ? are the ruins you are referring to the casas grandes ruins ? I remember seeing pics somewhere ... ancient indian dwellings that look VERY interesting

Neal Johns - 5-13-2010 at 10:10 AM

Mata Ortiz is about 20 miles from Casas Grandes by paved road via Colonia Juarez.

They are about 150 miles from Creel as the crow flies, better done as a separate trip.

BajaBlanca - 5-13-2010 at 10:18 AM

Neal - If we go to Chihuahua, end of the line oe train...does that bring us closer to Casas Grandes?

Neal Johns - 5-13-2010 at 10:38 AM

Casas Grandes is 162 miles like the crow flies from Chihuahua. You just can't get there from there. :spingrin::spingrin::spingrin:

motoged - 5-13-2010 at 12:58 PM

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Originally posted by wessongroup
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Originally posted by DianaT
We really like the town of Creel ---hope you enjoy it.

This may have been just a bay day....but 8 people were killed.... heavily armed men setting up road blocks and doing anything they wished to do..... on this particular day in the town of Creel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTaS41pxf-I&feature=playe...

Looks a bit like Iraq..... but, it is in Mexico

As someone posted above, the Cartels are active in this area....


Kinda interesting....what sort of security camera system does Podunkville Creel have that it can focus in on a pendejo snorting coke from a baggie ????

The video was eerie for sure....and as much as I have wanted to explore CC by motorcycle and get off the beaten track, this video and stories from riders who have come across plantations and pick-up trucks full of heavily-armed guys has dampened my interest. The train is likely a safe ride and minding your own business otherwise is the usual good advice....just seems that enjoying the countryside is more and more difficult in many parts of Mexico.

Que lastima :(:(

BajaBlanca - 5-13-2010 at 01:41 PM

it is indeed really huge shame ... I do hope we see NOYHING scary...just people and pottery and beauty

thanks all for your ideas .. time to pack ... we leave in the morning

I shall post pics on the blog and on facebook when we get back

tchau (portuguese) hasta luego (sp) pa pa (Polish) sayonara BYE BYE

wilderone - 5-14-2010 at 08:35 AM

I hope you find a way to get to the Mata Ortiz area, even if you have to drive with your own car after your Copper Canyon train ride. I spent more than a week in the area on one trip. The Anasazi ruins I refer to in the Sierra Madre are not the Pacquime ruins - they are a group of cliff dwellings, some bones even, and a grand one called Grandes Ollas (I think) which is a cliff dwelling containing many rooms. West of Colonia Juarez. It's a long drive in the mountains, passing through streams, ranches - a wonderful trip en route. I once spent a week with Juan Quezada learning pottery techniques and we also poked around trying to find turquoise and other stuff - so much fun. If you end up in the area, also check out a place called Quarenta Casas - another Anasazi ruin site - you have to walk a ways to this one from the place where you park. With the pottery at Mata Ortiz, the ruins, Mormon farms with peaches, apples, a fabulous area to tour. Once you're in the area, you can pick up a good map, showing all these places. Vaya con dios.

BajaBlanca - 5-15-2010 at 09:45 AM

we are in la paz everyone

ferry tonite

see you with updates in a week or so

weather is gorgeous here. the roads were great , some repaving being done and the parts that are done as smooth and very nice

DianaT - 5-15-2010 at 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by BajaBlanca
we are in la paz everyone

ferry tonite

see you with updates in a week or so

weather is gorgeous here. the roads were great , some repaving being done and the parts that are done as smooth and very nice


Hope you can make it to Mata Ortiz and that area---it really is an interesting area---We usually stay in the new Casas Grandes and explore from there.

Besides the wonderful pottery in Mata Ortiz, the master, Juan Quezada also has done some paintings that reflect his famous mirror images---and some limited edition copies are available.



We try to stay away from there, however, because we always spend too much money. :yes:

If you go and buy anything, be selective---unfortunately since the road was paved and more tourists travel there, there is quite a lot of pottery sold on the streets that is not so good.

Have a GREAT time.

Diana

Question for the board---someone quoted where I said that we really like creel, but inside the quote box was a reference to a video that was not a part of my post???? Not sure how that happens.

[Edited on 5-15-2010 by DianaT]

Marc - 5-15-2010 at 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by chippy
I would not take the train from Los Mochis.Drive to El Fuerte instead. There are a few nice hotels there that you can leave your vehicle and its a great little colonial town. The train ride from Los Mochis to El Fuerte is flat and boring and you would have to get up hours earlier in the dark. Take extra batteries for your camera you will be taking alot of photos. We stayed in a hotel on the rim. I highly recomend it. Unbelievable sunsets and the sunrises weren´t to shabby either. Google it there is alot of info out there. Have a great trip!

Marc - 5-15-2010 at 02:04 PM

In El Fuerte scope out the way to the train station beforehand. The road is not signed. Go to the little store opposite the station. He will store your car in a locked yard (and cover it as well).

wilderone - 5-16-2010 at 09:16 AM

I heard that tourism to Mata Ortiz is way down because of general anti-travel hubbub. Also, the pottery "on the streets" is where you'll find the potters inviting you inside their homes to see their ollas. There are over 200 potters there - at least 1/4th are noted, "collectible" potters. Unless you know the houses of the particular potters you want to buy from, then see as much as you can, and make your selections accordingly. Many potters display their work in a central place, such as Juan Quezada's old house and studio, or in the back section of the grocery store, but most of the premiere potters sell out of their homes. You can buy excellent pots for $20 or less for smaller ones; and thousands of dollars on others. Mata Ortiz pottery is some of the best in the world - collected by the Japanese who are also some of the best potters in the world (I would argue that Koreans have better pottery than the Japanese). But part of the experience of buyng pottery in Mata Ortiz is the manner of purchasing from the potters in their homes - where, if you're lucky, you can also see how it is fired or see them working on painting, or some other stage of creation. You will soon see (and become hooked) on the varieties of pottery and want one of each - black on black, classic Mimbres style brownware, white clay, newer designs with green or blue paint, stylized animals, etc. Many potters have their signature style. You can get a good overview of what is available on eBay. Maybe even see an artist those work appeals to you, and once in town, ask where he/she lives. If you spend the night in Mata Ortiz, you'll have even more of an opportunity to ask about individual potters that you learn about. And please take a walk down the street, across the dry river channel to Porvenir. Many excellent potters live here. If you get serious about the ollas, Juan Quezada's brother and sister, daughter and a nephew make very excllent pots and live in Nuevo Casas Grandes. And of coure, there are many shops between Casas Grandes and Mata Ortiz which sell the pottery, including the museum. But the thrill of going to Mata Ortiz is meeting with the potters. Yeah, I was hooked once - I have 45 pots.

wilderone - 5-16-2010 at 09:20 AM

Out of curiosity, I checked out the offerings on eBay - this is a beauty:

http://cgi.ebay.com/OSCAR-QUEZADA-JR-Mata-Ortiz-pottery-High...

DianaT - 5-16-2010 at 09:35 AM

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Originally posted by wilderone
I heard that tourism to Mata Ortiz is way down because of general anti-travel hubbub. Also, the pottery "on the streets" is where you'll find the potters inviting you inside their homes to see their ollas. There are over 200 potters there - at least 1/4th are noted, "collectible" potters. Unless you know the houses of the particular potters you want to buy from, then see as much as you can, and make your selections accordingly. Many potters display their work in a central place, such as Juan Quezada's old house and studio, or in the back section of the grocery store, but most of the premiere potters sell out of their homes. You can buy excellent pots for $20 or less for smaller ones; and thousands of dollars on others. Mata Ortiz pottery is some of the best in the world - collected by the Japanese who are also some of the best potters in the world (I would argue that Koreans have better pottery than the Japanese). But part of the experience of buyng pottery in Mata Ortiz is the manner of purchasing from the potters in their homes - where, if you're lucky, you can also see how it is fired or see them working on painting, or some other stage of creation. You will soon see (and become hooked) on the varieties of pottery and want one of each - black on black, classic Mimbres style brownware, white clay, newer designs with green or blue paint, stylized animals, etc. Many potters have their signature style. You can get a good overview of what is available on eBay. Maybe even see an artist those work appeals to you, and once in town, ask where he/she lives. If you spend the night in Mata Ortiz, you'll have even more of an opportunity to ask about individual potters that you learn about. And please take a walk down the street, across the dry river channel to Porvenir. Many excellent potters live here. If you get serious about the ollas, Juan Quezada's brother and sister, daughter and a nephew make very excllent pots and live in Nuevo Casas Grandes. And of coure, there are many shops between Casas Grandes and Mata Ortiz which sell the pottery, including the museum. But the thrill of going to Mata Ortiz is meeting with the potters. Yeah, I was hooked once - I have 45 pots.


Sorry to hear tourism is down for Mata Ortiz! Are they still running the bus tours out of Arizonia?

On our first trip there, we had the pleasure of meeting Walter Parks and for a short time we stayed in contact. So he recommended a few potters in town and in Porvenir and it was fun to visit their homes buy directly from them. But we did learn to be selective when looking at pots on the street.

Forty-five pots? We have some, but not that many. It is beautiful art and the pots are so thin. Since the Mata Ortiz is a revival of an old art form, it seems that the potters do not feel the limitations of being stuck with just the old designs like one sees in pottery from some of the pueblos. It seems like they do the beautiful old designs, but also feel the freedom to be very creative in their work with new designs.

It has been a few years since our last trip there---maybe it is time to go again! Need to buy more bubble wrap.

Blanca, I hope you get a chance to visit there-----

wessongroup - 5-16-2010 at 10:02 AM

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Originally posted by DianaT
We really like the town of Creel ---hope you enjoy it.

This may have been just a bay day....but 8 people were killed.... heavily armed men setting up road blocks and doing anything they wished to do..... on this particular day in the town of Creel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTaS41pxf-I&feature=playe...

Looks a bit like Iraq..... but, it is in Mexico

As someone posted above, the Cartels are active in this area....


Kinda interesting....what sort of security camera system does Podunkville Creel have that it can focus in on a pendejo snorting coke from a baggie ????

The video was eerie for sure....and as much as I have wanted to explore CC by motorcycle and get off the beaten track, this video and stories from riders who have come across plantations and pick-up trucks full of heavily-armed guys has dampened my interest. The train is likely a safe ride and minding your own business otherwise is the usual good advice....just seems that enjoying the countryside is more and more difficult in many parts of Mexico.

Que lastima :(:(


Hey think and do what you want... as for me.... I'll take their words and video at face value... and I think they can count to 8 without any trouble...

I see folks around here that require military coming by about every two weeks.. in a truck with back up from a Humvee with a .50 Cal.. there is also a Navy destroyer parked out side the Bay of Descanso ever few moths, and a string of monitoring boats at night, looks like an party with all the lights ... again.. think what you want.. as for me.. I keep my head low and my ears open.. it's worked for me all my life.... been lucky and have not gotten "bit" yet by those flying "bees" with lead stingers...

Enjoy your driving around ..... but, be forewarned that this kind of crap does happen, and you had better have your s**t wired tight.....

DianaT - 5-16-2010 at 10:39 AM

I wish someone would get my quote out of the box with the information about the video. It looks like I posted the link to the video and I did not---interesting video, but I have some questions about it.

When quoting multiple people, one needs to be very careful.



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Originally posted by wessongroup
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Originally posted by motoged
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Originally posted by wessongroup
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Originally posted by DianaT
We really like the town of Creel ---hope you enjoy it.

This may have been just a bay day....but 8 people were killed.... heavily armed men setting up road blocks and doing anything they wished to do..... on this particular day in the town of Creel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTaS41pxf-I&feature=playe...

Looks a bit like Iraq..... but, it is in Mexico

As someone posted above, the Cartels are active in this area....


Kinda interesting....what sort of security camera system does Podunkville Creel have that it can focus in on a pendejo snorting coke from a baggie ????

The video was eerie for sure....and as much as I have wanted to explore CC by motorcycle and get off the beaten track, this video and stories from riders who have come across plantations and pick-up trucks full of heavily-armed guys has dampened my interest. The train is likely a safe ride and minding your own business otherwise is the usual good advice....just seems that enjoying the countryside is more and more difficult in many parts of Mexico.

Que lastima :(:(


Hey think and do what you want... as for me.... I'll take their words and video at face value... and I think they can count to 8 without any trouble...

I see folks around here that require military coming by about every two weeks.. in a truck with back up from a Humvee with a .50 Cal.. there is also a Navy destroyer parked out side the Bay of Descanso ever few moths, and a string of monitoring boats at night, looks like an party with all the lights ... again.. think what you want.. as for me.. I keep my head low and my ears open.. it's worked for me all my life.... been lucky and have not gotten "bit" yet by those flying "bees" with lead stingers...

Enjoy your driving around ..... but, be forewarned that this kind of crap does happen, and you had better have your s**t wired tight.....




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wilderone - 5-16-2010 at 10:47 AM

When you come into a couple of the towns on the rail line, the windows of the train cars and the doors between them will be locked; security guards will be stationed, policia will gear up and be standing by while the train is at these stations, due to the possibility of banditos boarding. It has happened. Also, I hear that some of the trails near the canyon bottom outside some of the towns are drug running routes. As a tourist, you're not involved, so unless you get caught in the crossfire, and likely just passing through, you don't have to be that concerned - just be AWARE that such can happen. Same as in TJ, Mexico City, Chihuahua, etc. I was told that some drug families own ranches in the Sierra Madre east of Casas Grandes. We were just looking for turkeys - didn't concern us.

wessongroup - 5-16-2010 at 12:40 PM

If one has fear over a posting... my god...

It was I... Wessongroup that posted the YouTube video ..... and I got it from another person on another site... I did not understand a word and asked what was reported by the News People in Mexico... and it was explained to me from Spanish to English

As for where the camera came from, doesn't seem to change what was shown.. and there were in fact a number of bodies recovered from the house that the individuals are seen shooting into ..... plus another body on the road where a van was stopped and people were ordered to get out...

The intent was to provide all a "heads" up on travel issues in that area where all are talking about was where to shop and how much fun it is......

To completely ignore what is going on around you.... well, all I will say is "Go with God" and enjoy your trip

Me I'm enjoying my time in Baja, I however don't think I'm in Disneyland for God sake :):)

after thought on the camera... yeah, they put it up to increase tourism .... or maybe to discourage it... please...

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DianaT - 5-16-2010 at 12:44 PM

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If one has fear over a posting... my god...


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I agree, but sometimes one does not want to be associated with a certain posting or video and quote boxes get so mixed up so easily.

wessongroup - 5-16-2010 at 12:54 PM

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If one has fear over a posting... my god...


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I agree, but sometimes one does not want to be associated with a certain posting or video and quote boxes get so mixed up so easily.


Yeah, I'd sure hate someone to think something about me... my what would I do... get real... everyone knows your thoughts on issues...

I all ready said I put it up... it was my error... hope you don't lose all your friends over my mistake...

You can call me anything but late to dinner:lol::lol:

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BajaBlanca - 5-16-2010 at 05:51 PM

we are in CREEL and it is a wonderful town...we took the slow non tourist train along with some europeans and some americans. it was spotlessly clean. air conditioned. and was a couple minutes early at all stops !! a breeze and a pleasure and HALF THE PRICE !!!!!

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wilderone - 5-17-2010 at 10:04 AM

Glad you enjoyed it. Post more details when you have a chance. So you didn't spend the night at Divisidero? where did you stay in El Fuerte? You didn't stay overnight there? Going to Batopilas? Go!!! Take the local bus and hike to the old mission, play in the river. When I was there, one of the children asked me if I had pencils!!! Take them pencils!!! Wish I were there.

DianaT - 5-17-2010 at 10:13 AM

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wearein CREEL and it is a wonderful town...wetook the slow non tourist train along with some europeans and some americans. it was spotleesly clean. air conditioned. and was a couple minutes early at all stops !! a breeze and a pleasure and HALF THE PRICE !!!!!


Glad you took the slow train----:yes::yes:

Where are you staying in Creel? Glad you having a great time---

wilderone - 5-18-2010 at 10:28 AM

I have learned that there are tour buses from Casas Grandes to Mata Ortiz. Probably hotels can give you info.

COPPER CANYON highlights SOL DE MAYO waterfall

BajaBlanca - 5-23-2010 at 01:32 PM

THANK YOU BAJA NOMADERS .... you were my lifeline while making plans for the trip ...it was a fantastic trip - no way to describe the raw rugged beauty of those canyons and u know what ? As one of you posted, none of the pics quite portray the beauty. You just have to go. and see for yourself

itinerary: la paz, 11 PM ferry to topolobambo, taxi to los mochis, bus to el fuerte, train to Creel. In creel we stayed at a hotel right on the square. on the second day, we took a regular bus to Batolpilas ... the ride was scary and gorgeous, the town itself a bit disappointing. for so many to have become millionaires and not have contributed more to the town is sad. it was outrageously hot hot hot and the airconditioned hotel was heaven sent. back to Creel. same hotel. ate a lot. saw indian villages. saw a waterfall. bought Mata Ortiz pottery, Indian baskets which are intricately woven, snakes carved out of tree branches. next day: took the first class train bacl to los mochis (nice but the other one was fine too). the fun part was that I met Raquel, a fellow Brazilian on the train, with whom we hung out with in la paz !! and who is now traveling more with Dudu from la bocana. small world it is sometimes. we got our car from the parking lot at the ferry station ....

we went around the cape and saw a waterfall in the middle of the desert...I had gotten a magazine on the train (Shari I have one for you) with articles on the train and on Copper Canyon but it also had an article on this desert waterfall. FANTASTIC AND AMAZING PLACE. so easy to get to, before you hit san jose del cabo, take the turnoff to SANTIAGO. follow the signs to SOL DE MAYO. pay 75 pesos. hike for 5 minutes. jump into a huge pool of water and swim under the waterfall !!!!! one of the totally unexpected highlites of the whole trip !!!!

Again, thanks all Baja Nomaders. This trip wd not have been half as informative without your fabulous advice. MUCHAS GRACIAS :bounce:

I will be posting tons of pics on facebook if anyone wants to satisfy their curiosi

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shari - 5-23-2010 at 02:26 PM

oooooh...ahhhhhh...cant wait to hear all about it in person next weekend. I so want to do that trip but sounds like earlier in the year would be better as you mentioned hot hot hot...no gracias!...maybe next year before abalone season.

zforbes - 5-23-2010 at 07:49 PM

What is your Facebook name? I'd love to see your pictures. Sounds like you will be in Asuncion soon; hope we can meet up.:yes:

wilderone - 5-24-2010 at 07:45 AM

re Batopilas - "for so many to have become millionaires and not have contributed more to the town is sad"
What do you mean - who are the millionaires?

BajaBlanca - 5-25-2010 at 07:10 PM

millionaires refer to the Spaniards but esp refers to a man named Alexander SHEPHERD, who left DC under accusations of being corrupt as governor with his entire family and burro'd their way, even taking eventually a grand piano, to Batopilas. he mined and registered 135 mines in his name and apparently became a millionaire - gold and silver
his son wrote a book which i am just starting to read: SILVER MAGNET BY GRANT SHEPHERD

Neal Johns - 5-25-2010 at 10:04 PM

Silver Magnet is a great read and is easy to find now that it was republished in 1999. He talks about growing up in Batolpilas and walking ladies around the square (under supervision). We got a tour of his Hacienda San Miguel one time by the owner who had cows residing in the ruins.:bounce: The book has a nice map of the Hacienda.