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Bahia Asuncion Residents and Visitors

DianaT - 5-10-2010 at 12:02 PM

The Lobos Marinos, the local bike club ,really needs some help. There are several kids who want to join, but cannot do so because of the lack of equipment.

Before we were able to get them going with the generous help of a some nomads---some who have never even been here. But we have about exhausted our resources and can only do so much---we do continue to donate what we can.

Today Chayo, the head of the club, showed us what has happened to many of the bikes----some frames are there, but the parts are trashed. He also said that one Canadian who will be back in October is going to try and help.

But if any of you other part time residents or visitors want to help, they really need mountain and road bikes and parts of every kind---tubes, brakes, cables, cranks, chains, tires, seats, etc. and of course money helps.

To leave any donations, Chayo (Jesus) is easy to find. Besides being a fisherman, he has a carpenter shop which is easy to see on the way into town. It not far from the entrance to the town and is on the right hand side of the street as one enters town.

Because of a medical problem, we will be leaving in a day or two and not sure when we will be back---

So if any of you part time residents or visitors who have any connections to the bicycle world, or can help in any way, stop and see Chayo----he is also a nice person and one of the good carpenters in town if you need any work done.

I have posted lots of photos of the team before, but they are on my other computer----but here is Chayo

Just wanted to get this message out before we leave as I know there are some who are planning on being here soon.

BajaBlanca - 5-10-2010 at 12:10 PM

Have Chayo email me .... we CAN help

BajaBlancaLes@gmail.com

If he does not have a computer, let me know and I will manage to contact him ... wish I had known this yesterday - all of La Bocana went to see the baseball game !!! I understand the new race is now scheduled for the 30th ???? This has not been confirmed yet, but we can help when we go to Asuncion then

We finally managed to get our team uniforms ordered- last bit of money trickled in yesterday YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

good luck with the medical stuff

DianaT - 5-10-2010 at 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by BajaBlanca
Have Chayo email me .... we CAN help

Chayo does not use a computer---if you want, you could u2u me your phone number and we could ask him to call you.

And yes, he said the day for the race here has been changed to the 30th, but you never know if it will change again---happens all the time.

Thanks and the uniforms will be GREAT for your team. Wanted to attend the game, but could not do so---hopefully, next time.

Diana

[Edited on 5-10-2010 by DianaT]

DianaT - 5-11-2010 at 06:55 AM

Bump---hope some of you will participate.

The young researcher from UCBerkley who is visiting here to look at some plants is going to set up a drive in Berkeley for the team.

He and his father (who is also here visiting) want to help. Any other Bahia Asuncion people?

They told us that so many of the riders in the US change out perfectly good parts on a regular basis---like maybe use a chain for 6 rides and change it. It is against the law for the bike shops to sell or use these used parts, so the used parts either end up in the riders garage or in the dumpster behind the bike shop.

New stuff is of course the best, but these perfectly good used parts would be put to VERY good use. We even discussed the possibility of dumpster diving.

And if you bring your own bike down, Chayo loves to ride with visitors and show them our trails.

And, we have brought down several surfboards,boggie boards and wet suits for the surf team and they also still need whatever. Our friend Jamie can repair damaged ones and distributes donations to kids through-out the community.

Thank you

Hope we are able to return quickly and before the race here.

[Edited on 5-17-2010 by DianaT]

Bajaboy - 5-11-2010 at 10:28 AM

I'd like to see a lot of these groups do fundraisers instead of always asking for donations. That's just my view as a parent and a teacher and it holds for all kids regardless of where they live.

I'll be down next week and would be willing to have my truck washed for a donation to the team.

DianaT - 5-11-2010 at 12:14 PM

They have done fund raisers in the past and will continue to do so. Sometimes the fund raisers are for money for things like gas and food so they can participate in the league

What they really need right now are parts that cannot be bought here-----and good used parts are fine. They have a stack of frames that need to be rebuilt and several children who want to join the team.

We and some others are doing the promotion for the donations so more children can participate. The leader of the team is not the one pushing, but he also really appreciates any and all the help the team is provided. They never have been the ones to push.

The head of the team pays us for all the new parts we bring to him for his bikes-----the other parts, clothes, seats, bikes tools, etc. that we bring are donated to the team for the benefit of the children involved.

From your involvement with biking groups in the US, you surely are aware that so many perfectly good bike parts are thrown away in the US or rot in someone's garage. These parts could make a difference in the life of some of the children in Asuncion.

[Edited on 5-11-2010 by DianaT]

Bajaboy - 5-11-2010 at 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by DianaT

From your involvement with biking groups in the US, you surely are aware that so many perfectly good bike parts are thrown away in the US or rot in someone's garage. These parts could make a difference in the life of some of the children in Asuncion.
[Edited on 5-11-2010 by DianaT]

I don't replace perfectly good parts on my bikes.

capt. mike - 5-11-2010 at 02:21 PM

i am with Zac - i'll gladly donate if i can get the belly of my ride cleaned.
and maybe a guard for nites.

DianaT - 5-11-2010 at 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by capt. mike
i am with Zac - i'll gladly donate if i can get the belly of my ride cleaned.
and maybe a guard for nites.

Since two airplanes have been stolen from here, you would actually ask someone other than the police or military to guard your plane or even hang around it? You think the cartel would let a bunch of kids get in their way? Amazing.

Thank you to those who have volunteered to look for and bring down some used parts.

It is really nice that we are receiving positive and sincerely helpful support for the children from some people.

capt. mike - 5-11-2010 at 03:21 PM

hey - i didn't say the guard had to be a kid.... :rolleyes:

it could be a cop i'll pay...or a tough local who's willing to stay and watch.
i am NOT concerned about a cartel theft - they DON'T want a low wing 4 seat piper, never gonna take it - they KNOW what they want and it is 200 series Cessnas that are fast or can carry a load.

what i worry about are the little devils on bikes who will STEAL my GD gas, or busta windscreen to get inside.....it happened to that rag wing piper last year and he was then STUCK there - they found the little bastards that did it and should have MADE their families PAY. and beat their asses too.

that airport is too far out of town to consider my very expensive tool safe.
and i ain't gonna sleep under the wing there.
i'll go to Campo rene instead. :smug:

BajaBlanca - 5-11-2010 at 03:43 PM

Mike - got a question for ya .... it says on the bottom of your writing:

come PLY the friendly Baja Sky ....

is it correct or should it be FLY ???

no -

capt. mike - 5-11-2010 at 04:02 PM

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Originally posted by BajaBlanca
Mike - got a question for ya .... it says on the bottom of your writing:

come PLY the friendly Baja Sky ....

is it correct or should it be FLY ???

"ply" is a correct lexicon.
one can ply thru the air, over land over and thru water.
fly - conotes one is ..well. FLYING.
Ply is just a term that says yur moving thru.
like when i ply my way around walmart when we go cause my wive doesn't have to get dressed up like she is going to Circle K , Col. Sanders or sumthin... :lol:

BajaBlanca - 5-12-2010 at 09:04 AM

got it !!! PLY around all day then !!!!!!! I think I plyed ??? Plied ??? in Bocana today ..... and wouldnt you know...Les just left to ply around town too ... :bounce:

[Edited on 5-12-2010 by BajaBlanca]

capt. mike - 5-12-2010 at 09:49 AM

the more you ply, the more you'll rack up frequent "plyer" miles..... groan...

zforbes - 5-12-2010 at 10:32 AM

I like to ply the playa.

Oops, apologies Diane...sorry to divert your thread. :no:

[Edited on 5-12-2010 by zforbes]

gnukid - 5-12-2010 at 12:38 PM

Diane

Every single person in Baja wants a bike don'tcha think? Every kid and adult needs one. Maybe since you guys are becoming experts you could organize yourselves into a bike charity and raise money for bikes for those less fortunate and ride around baja delivering bikes and bike education to others? That would be an awesome thing and teach the kids and adults about helping others and being self-sufficient.

In my neighborhood where people are extremely poor like so many others and most have nothing at all, we use recycling to raise money, people have sales of baked goods, fruits and art, and everyone works together to build and repair bikes for kids and adults.

Its tough all over and time to become more self-sufficient I guess...

David K - 5-12-2010 at 03:09 PM

You can't beat people like BajaCat and Ferna de Tijuana for bringing huge numbers of bikes to Baja... but you can try! :biggrin:

BajaBlanca - 5-12-2010 at 05:18 PM

I know ... BajaCat takes the cake !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He is the BOMB as my kids say ...

We are going to be spreading the wealth in terms of bikes, P Abreojos will get some in 2 weeks and Bahia Asuncion, if the guy calls me, will get one in 3 weeks !!

My goal PRECISELY is to help these clubs become self sufficient with car washes, bake sales, garage sales. It CAN be done and they are slowly but surely learning how to do it

DianaT - 5-12-2010 at 05:33 PM

Unbelievable---we have absolutely no problem with people who do not want to get involved even if they are local residents or frequent visitors----but to put down the effort to help the children of this community really is beyond contempt---

Fine, do not help, but why would some of you want to undermine the effort to help a good organization in a community? This is not about us, it is about some of the children in Bahia Asuncion.

Yes, fund raisers are good, and the local team has had many and continues to dos so, but they certainly cannot raise enough money to rebuild bikes. The parts are VERY expensive---that is why we are seeking good used parts.

As parents and teachers, we support this effort because we know that it is a great activity for young people. We also help with the surf club. These types of activities help young people stay focused in a positive direction. And we really care about our adopted community. Yes, there are poorer communities in Baja, and we have always supported Ferna's efforts in the north with cash and donations, but this is about one particular community and one positive organized activity.

Again, we are currently having more success with a few silent people on this forum and from other caring individuals. We are amazed by the efforts to trivialize this project. We do understand that many ex-pats are really involved in other communities---that we understand. This is about Bahia Asuncion.

Trying to undermine this effort, and/or making smart a$$ comments are really unbelievable. Don't help, no problem--but please stay out of it.

John and Diane

[Edited on 5-13-2010 by DianaT]

gnukid - 5-12-2010 at 07:00 PM

Diane,

I think outreach to support others is a really great idea, I am sorry that you are offended by my suggestion.

Bajaboy - 5-12-2010 at 09:09 PM

Keep us posted on the next fundraiser. I'd love to buy a t-shirt or get my truck washed while supporting the kids. I think it's a great cause. :biggrin:

DianaT - 5-12-2010 at 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy
Keep us posted on the next fundraiser. I'd love to buy a t-shirt or get my truck washed while supporting the kids. I think it's a great cause. :biggrin:

And you will be using some of your contacts to look for some good used parts for them? If you come through with something real, rather than just sarcasm, we will happily see that your truck is washed.

We won't, however, give up our t-shirts and they do not have more at this time.

Thanks for your offer and efforts to help the children in your community.

[Edited on 5-13-2010 by DianaT]

capt. mike - 5-13-2010 at 06:12 AM

hahahahahahaha
it's got to be a riot when both of you are in town at the same time.

Gladys Kravits and Darren Stevens....i can't wait to see it. :lol:

Bajaboy - 5-13-2010 at 06:26 AM

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Originally posted by DianaT

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajaboy
Keep us posted on the next fundraiser. I'd love to buy a t-shirt or get my truck washed while supporting the kids. I think it's a great cause. :biggrin:

DianaT-

No sarcasm here. Good luck with your efforts. A little more tact might go a bit further with your requests. I offered to help the kids period. You are way out of line on this one.

Have a great day.

KAT54 - 5-13-2010 at 12:33 PM

Is there a little friction between DianaT and Bajaboy?
Trouble in paradise?
Does not that area have no problems?
Where is Shari?
Does not she supprot the community?
Who is Gladys Kravits?
Who is Darrin Stevens?
Are you selling CaptMikes tshirts?
Is he donating?

shari - 5-13-2010 at 07:30 PM

Hi Kat
here I am...say what?
We "sopprot" the community in oh so many ways.
so what
I dont need to broadcast who we help...do I?
the bike club is diannes baby.
I have my own babies to supprot.
of course I can help by accepting and passing on any donations to the club in diannes absence.

(oh yeah...and some other folks here will help out but mentioned they didnt like the guilt trip type pitch.)

[Edited on 5-14-2010 by shari]

SiReNiTa - 5-13-2010 at 07:34 PM

I wish the cycle club the best of luck with every thing, I honestly hope that the kids can keep up this activity, since it's good for them in so many ways.
If they need help printing or making fliers and/or anything else that can be done by computer (editing photos, etc) please let me know I'd be more than happy to lend a hand.
Unfortunately I can't donate for lack of moolah but if hands on help is needed let me know.

Sirenita

DianaT - 5-13-2010 at 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DianaT
The Lobos Marinos, the local bike club ,really needs some help. There are several kids who want to join, but cannot do so because of the lack of equipment.

Before we were able to get them going with the generous help of a some nomads---some who have never even been here. But we have about exhausted our resources and can only do so much---we do continue to donate what we can.

Today Chayo, the head of the club, showed us what has happened to many of the bikes----some frames are there, but the parts are trashed. He also said that one Canadian who will be back in October is going to try and help.

But if any of you other part time residents or visitors want to help, they really need mountain and road bikes and parts of every kind---tubes, brakes, cables, cranks, chains, tires, seats, etc. and of course money helps.

To leave any donations, Chayo (Jesus) is easy to find. Besides being a fisherman, he has a carpenter shop which is easy to see on the way into town. It not far from the entrance to the town and is on the right hand side of the street as one enters town.

Because of a medical problem, we will be leaving in a day or two and not sure when we will be back---

So if any of you part time residents or visitors who have any connections to the bicycle world, or can help in any way, stop and see Chayo----he is also a nice person and one of the good carpenters in town if you need any work done.

I have posted lots of photos of the team before, but they are on my other computer----but here is Chayo

Just wanted to get this message out before we leave as I know there are some who are planning on being here soon.

Quote:

Originally posted by shari

(oh yeah...and some other folks here will help out but mentioned they didnt like the guilt trip type pitch.)

Shari, I quoted our original post and your comment---can you please help and point out where in that post there is any guilt trip pitch?

John and I have read it and reread it and are baffled? Where is what you call a guilt trip pitch? Is it the idea that they really need help?

I think we were quite clear in stating IF any one wants to help---

The bike club is not our baby---it is a community organization as is the surf club---both of whom we have tried to assist.

So please, where is the guilt? We very much accept the idea that people do what they see fit---but when you or anyone else asks for help for something you think is important, is that a guilt trip?

People will help if they want to and not if they do not. Some have promised help and changed their mind. That is all OK as they make their own decisions for their own reasons.

We believe guilt is something that comes from inside, not outside, but if you disagree and see where we have crossed the line, please let us know.

John and Diane

Bajaboy - 5-13-2010 at 08:20 PM

"But if any of you other part time residents or visitors want to help, they really need mountain and road bikes and parts of every kind---tubes, brakes, cables, cranks, chains, tires, seats, etc. and of course money helps."

I offered to help out the team with money and some how that was deemed as undermining this effort. In my opinion you crossed the line.

shari - 5-13-2010 at 08:55 PM

dianne, this is not the first thread where you have pointedly "asked" part time residents, visitors & property owners here for donations...you have mentioned that EVEN people who have never been here have donated which could very possibly be taken for a guilt trip or trying to shame people into giving...several property owners have commented on your method of trying to get help for the bike club is not exactly...as bajaboy mentioned...tactful. I found it somewhat distasteful how you publicly imply that expats dont help the children here...some dont however most do, but in their own ways. Repeatedly applying pressure may be counterproductive.

We found personally going door to door to talk to people was a productive method of getting donations for the surf club when they needed travel funds...perhaps some of the bikers might try this too. You or someone coul write up something in english for them to show the expats.

I understand bike clubs need money and parts etc. and look forward to the club doing more fundraising...I personally have never seen nor been offered a t-shirt from the club. I'm sure many nomads will be happy to help this worthy cause as you mentioned you were pleased at the response you got from people...good for you for helping these deserving kids.

DianaT - 5-13-2010 at 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shari
dianne, this is not the first thread where you have pointedly "asked" part time residents, visitors & property owners here for donations...you have mentioned that EVEN people who have never been here have donated which could very possibly be taken for a guilt trip or trying to shame people into giving...several property owners have commented on your method of trying to get help for the bike club is not exactly...as bajaboy mentioned...tactful. I found it somewhat distasteful how you publicly imply that expats dont help the children here...some dont however most do, but in their own ways. Repeatedly applying pressure may be counterproductive.

We found personally going door to door to talk to people was a productive method of getting donations for the surf club when they needed travel funds...perhaps some of the bikers might try this too. You or someone coul write up something in english for them to show the expats.

I understand bike clubs need money and parts etc. and look forward to the club doing more fundraising...I personally have never seen nor been offered a t-shirt from the club. I'm sure many nomads will be happy to help this worthy cause as you mentioned you were pleased at the response you got from people...good for you for helping these deserving kids.

Number one, we never indicated that ex-pats do not help the children here---please, point where we said that. Yes, some who have never been to BA have helped because they wanted to.
that surprised us as most of the ex-pats are very involved in their own communities and contribute at lot at their local level. But the club really appreciated the help.

There were a limited amount of t-shirts and they were only sold to those who had expressed an interest in helping the club and you have never shown an interest in any way whatsoever. That is your choice. Most of their fundraisers have been the selling of food, etc. at community events----that does raise the money for travel expenses.

You indicate that us asking for help for this club was applying pressure, distasteful and an attempt to make people feel guilty? Why would we not suggest that the people interested in Bahia Asuncion be the ones who may want to contribute. Ex-pats in other communities are usually the ones very involved in THEIR community---seems rather appropriate. We also were not asking that anyone go through us, we suggested that IF they wanted to help, they could seek out the leader of the team. Was asking for people to donate to your daughter's education pressure and distasteful, or simply a request for people to help who know you and your family want to help?

So you think going door to door seeking gas money is a better way to go----I don't think they will ever do that. And as I said, we think it is better for anyone around BA who is interested to get involved directly with the club. And that is what two other people are doing---one met Chayo through business and one we introduced him to Chayo---so they are on their own which is a good thing.

It really is a matter of choice of what anyone wants to do---we are not requesting anything for us, just for some others. If all the people to whom you have sold property are offended, well that is their choice. They can make their own decisions as to what they want to do and how they want to feel about it.

And if anything we say stops anyone from doing something they want to do, well that really is their business. It does not make any difference to us.

No one expects you or anyone else to become interested in this community project----it is a matter of choice. We do not expect anyone to feel guilty----that is their problem, not ours. If we lived in Mulege, we would have suggested Mulege people help, or if we lived in Loreto, we would have suggested Loreto people help.

John and Diane

[Edited on 5-14-2010 by DianaT]

BajaBlanca - 5-14-2010 at 05:52 AM

I am off to Copper Canyon everyone ... see you in a week with trip updat

shari - 5-14-2010 at 07:34 AM

for the record Dianne, I got some biking shirts donated that I gave the club and would be happy to buy some tacos...I am involved in several other clubs in town...kids baseball, surf club, soccer, helping individual familes out, cowboy club, etc...you were doing such a great job getting help for the bike club as your special interest and I was never approached by the club for any help...I was asked by Blanca for some support for their club and am happy to do what I can.
PLease dont guilt trip me....and dont be so mad at me...you asked me to explain and I did.

I dont mind asking the good nomads for help but dont shame the ones who arent interested or unable to assist.

Why not go door to door...we get lots of kids coming and asking for donations for one thing or another....I buy raffle tickets all the time which is a common way to raise money.

On that OTHER matter...see new thread.

DianaT - 5-14-2010 at 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by shari
for the record Dianne, I got some biking shirts donated that I gave the club and would be happy to buy some tacos...I am involved in several other clubs in town...kids baseball, surf club, soccer, helping individual familes out, cowboy club, etc...you were doing such a great job getting help for the bike club as your special interest and I was never approached by the club for any help...I was asked by Blanca for some support for their club and am happy to do what I can.
PLease dont guilt trip me....and dont be so mad at me...you asked me to explain and I did.

I dont mind asking the good nomads for help but dont shame the ones who arent interested or unable to assist.

Why not go door to door...we get lots of kids coming and asking for donations for one thing or another....I buy raffle tickets all the time which is a common way to raise money.

On that OTHER matter...see new thread.

No one is shaming or guilt tripping anyone----everyone chooses their own things and their own emotions. And in line with that, we are not angry, just see things differently.

So, it is up to each individual to make decisions for themselves.

The end----definitely the end of this subject.

John and Diana

Nan&D - 5-14-2010 at 08:52 AM

Diane, I see you wish to end this thread. I was going to write earlier, but I got distracted by the breaking news on Asuncion's new resident!

One thing I agree on you with is that "everyone chooses their own things". So please don't think we don't support the bike team. We are just uncomfortable with the choices you are making to be selective in who's charity you wish to accept. I think Blanca's offer of a bike, Zac's support of fundraising efforts, and Capn Mike's offer to donate are all good.

We love our new life in Asuncion, and are happy and eager to contribute in our own way.
Nan

KAT54 - 5-14-2010 at 01:05 PM

Trouble in paradise?
Bikers against the Surfers?
Neighbors against neighbors?
Love babies?
I guess shool is over?
Are you going to ask for baby stuff now?
I guess little kids grow up?

Cypress - 5-14-2010 at 01:15 PM

KAT54, Jeez. How 'bout people with half a brain vrs. people without any trace of one?

comitan - 5-14-2010 at 01:16 PM

KAT54

Why don't you crawl back into your shoe!!!

tiotomasbcs - 5-14-2010 at 01:52 PM

Dirty Laundry! I'm new here but this seems like u2u or a private discussion would have been a better choice. In my small pueblo we suffer from similar differences & bad feelings. Human Nature? That said, how bout an Adult Boxing Fundraiser!! Lighten Up, ya'll.