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What tire is on your DNF list?

Ken Cooke - 5-10-2010 at 09:33 PM

This should shorten the list for people thinking to buy a certain tire.

I shredded 2 BFG sidewalls over the years. I have run Interco Super Swampers for the past 6 yrs. as a result.

Barry A. - 5-11-2010 at 08:10 AM

OK Ken, I will bite--------what's a "DNF list"???

What are the sidewalls of the Interco's made of? how many plys and what are the plys made of? Special rubber used?? (BFG AT's have 3 ply polyester sidewalls, a rarity (?) in the tire business---most are 2 ply)

I have never known of any tire that the sidewalls will standup to certain types of abuse (sticks, staubs, very sharp rocks, etc.), but me & my 2 son's luck with BFG AT's has been supurb over the many years, and we all do a LOT of driving on bad roads (but none of us are "rock crawlers").

Barry

bonanza bucko - 5-11-2010 at 08:24 AM

Couldn't agree more with Barry A:....have used TAs on four trucks and lots and lots of trips down "That Road" to Gonzaga Bay with sharp rocks, boulders, washboard and worse....never a problema.

The Intercos mentioned above come in both 2 ply and 3 ply side walls....need to know which one Ken Cooke is talking about. Here's the Interco page with the details.
http://www.intercotire.com/tires.php

BB

TMW - 5-11-2010 at 08:30 AM

I've been with Ken on two Pole Line Road runs and while I didn't see him doing it his Jeep buddies crawl over under and around every big rock with in 20 feet of the trail. I think they add glue to the tire treads.

Me, I'm with you Barry BFG ATs have been good to me for years. I'm not saying other tires are bad and I do carry a Remington Big Brute for a second spare. Mainly because it was cheap and so far I've never used it.

surfer jim - 5-11-2010 at 09:09 AM

DNF......in off road racing it means... DID NOT FINISH.

mtgoat666 - 5-11-2010 at 09:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ken Cooke
This should shorten the list for people thinking to buy a certain tire.

I shredded 2 BFG sidewalls over the years. I have run Interco Super Swampers for the past 6 yrs. as a result.


i have had good luck with many AT tires. if you stick to driving for transportation purposes, most AT tires do pretty well. if you drive to do rock crawling, well,... i suppose you will shred tire occasionally, what do you expect? :lol::lol:

current tires are bridgestone dueler AT REVO "p" types. they do well in my limited offroading for transporation purposes and they run great on highway, nice and quiet and good handling (i don't tow or carry heavy loads, no lard *sses allowed in 4runner!!). of course, i don't rock crawl, i usually get out and hike or bike rather than tearing up vehicle :bounce::bounce:

[Edited on 5-11-2010 by mtgoat666]

Curt63 - 5-11-2010 at 11:28 AM

BFG AT's have been bulletproof for me. I run some rough tracks periodically, but I'm not a rock crawler.

But the coolest thing is the writing on the sidewall "Baja Champion" How can you pass on that?

Barry A. - 5-11-2010 at 12:35 PM

Thanks, Surfer Jim.

I have one big F-250 4x4 with Callen Camper, one X-terra, and one Isuzu Trooper-------all on BFG AT's. Never have had a sidewall problem. Lots of holes thru the tread, but always repairable with "plugs" (nails, spikes, staubs, and odd pieces of steel that fell off somebodies Toyota, I guess. (kidding, kidding).

I professionally drove a 4x4 pickup in all types of really bad road conditions as a Ranger for some 30 years using all brands of tires, but the BFG-AT's we used were always the best. We had to use whatever the Govt. contract was when we bought, and there were some stinkers (Firestone were the worst------Best were Bridgestone Desert Duelers, Michilin, Goodyear Wrangler, and BFG-AT's, in our experience). We had 13 4x4 pickups/jeeps in the El Centro area that we had to keep running thru the desert (1973 to 1986). But of course that was a longgggg time ago.

Of course we all respond to, and use, what works for us----thus all kinds of opinions.

Viva BFG AT's!!! (I run load range C, D, and E)

Barry

Ken Cooke - 5-11-2010 at 08:29 PM

I've only blown 2 BFG ATs in my decade of Baja trips, but I've also witnessed blown BFG sidewalls and BFGs throwing hissing fits that I've shied away from the brand.

I do like their new KM2 tire, and I'm considering it if I don't continue running the Interco TrXus MT tire. My complaint with the TrXus MT is that it does not balance well, leading to expensive steering componentry problems.

Blown BFG being replaced with a TrXus MT spare:


5 TrXus MTs & 1 smiling driver!:spingrin:

When you're on the Pole Line Road - 2 days from any main hwy, tire durability is paramount

Ken Cooke - 5-11-2010 at 08:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by TW
I've been with Ken on two Pole Line Road runs and while I didn't see him doing it his Jeep buddies crawl over under and around every big rock with in 20 feet of the trail. I think they add glue to the tire treads.




BajaNomad - 5-12-2010 at 12:04 AM

I've indicated a number of times over the years that I had multiple BFG AT sidewall blowouts in Baja. I also was aware that BFG AT's had issues along a highway section of the Baja 1K out of Mexicali a number of years back - affecting quite a # of teams.

I've been very impressed by the Bridgestone Dueler AT's for many years now.

-
Doug

David K - 5-12-2010 at 09:48 AM

BFGs just seem to be hit or miss... Either you have great luck with them (All Terrain TAs) or you get a sidewall failure brand new, no rocks in sight! This happened to Amo Pescar's BFG on its first Baja trip in 2001... I have seen many other sidewall blowouts on All Terrain TAs.

Since I do a lot of driving, highway and off road... I go through tires pretty fast... they last from 25,000 to 35,000 miles before the tread is too thin for my liking.

The Tacoma Off Road TRDs come with BFG Rugged Trail TAs, and they are good for 25,000 miles. They actually work very well in all terrains including sand, they just don't give a lot of miles.

The meaty mud/snow tires have more rubber and last the longest (35-40 K miles), also they look GREAT on a 4X4... and do great in mud and snow. However, they are VERY noisy on the highway and the hum is almost too loud to drown with the stereo cranked up on AC/DC or Led Zepplin. They are also TERRIBLE in sand where I do most of my four wheeling. I had the COOPER DISCOVERER STT. Gas mileage drops with them, also.

I had very good luck when I switched to the TOYO OPEN COUNTRY AT and equally was happy with the COOPER DISCOVERER ATR, both provided about 35,000 miles of wear.

On my first Tacoma, I used the Pep Boys Futura (now Destiny) Dakotas... They are verr cheap and work well in the sand and most off road conditions... Although they did wear out at 25,000 miles... but with pro-rating of 50,000... the next set were half price!

I am looking at all tires for when the new BFGs on my new Tacoma wear out... There are many choices. The General Grabber, Pirelli Scorpion and others are on my watch list.... Doug is happy with Desert Duellers, I know... Yokahama and others are interesting, too!!!???

Barry A. - 5-12-2010 at 11:16 AM

Yep, it's that "old personal experience" that counts. My X-terra came with BFG Rugged Trails (load range C), and I had destroyed three witnin 2 months-----two pierced by sharp rocks on the tread face, and a third sidewall-failure a little later (pierced by a staub)------ I scrapped all 4, and replaced them with BFG TA's (load range E) and have had no problems for the last year and a half, over many of the same trails where the Rugged Trails failed me. One thing about the load range E's (10-ply rating) that surprised me, they are very flexible and will take lower air pressures without overheading, it appears-------I had expected them to be stiff and heat up badly at low air pressure (like 25 lbs.), but they didn't, at least in the dirt. I run them at 45 lbs + on the highway, depending on the load carried----they are rated up to 85 lbs. One tough tire!!!

So "brand" is not necessarily what you should go by. But, I agree with David and Doug, etc. --------there are some good alternatives, and they named some of them.

Some times it is just the luck of the draw, and you takes your chances, like life in general. :light: :o

Barry

classicbajabronco - 5-23-2010 at 12:54 PM

when over 80% of people run BFG's in Baja, you are going to see alot more BFG's broken than say an Interco. How many trucks with a set of interco's on them can you remember...Now how many trucks with BFG's on them can you.

In BCS, nearly every gringo truck is running BFG's. AT, MT km, or MT km2.
I currently have all 3 styles on my vehicles. Each serves its purpose well

I too have shredded sidewalls on BFG at's, but then again that is the only tire I have run on my 5 trucks in the last 7 years( 80-90% offroad....fulltime bcs resident). When rubber meets a very sharp rock, agave, stick or whatever other sharp jagged edge is found on our "roads" the sharp object is usually going to win.. regardless of what brand is stamped on the sidewall.

I buy BFG's because they are sold in nearly every tire store in baja.....and they have treated me and many, many countless others well. however even with all my confidence in these tires I still carry a spare at all times

[Edited on 5-23-2010 by classicbajabronco]

[Edited on 5-23-2010 by classicbajabronco]

vgabndo - 5-23-2010 at 02:41 PM

My TA's have done well on the 8000 lb. Dodge, but cutting firewood a while back I put a "little finger sized" stick right through the side of one. Even with the Costco warranty it still cost me a c-note for a half a cord of Juniper!

Neal Johns - 5-23-2010 at 03:30 PM

As an over two decade member of the DesertExplorers.org one hundred plus vehicle group, I see that 80 - 90% use BFG T/A KO tires as do I.

When I had brown hair and an FJ-40 Land Cruiser, I drove, uh, rather spiritedly aka like a bat out of hell, and had a fair amount of blowouts due to rock cuts. Now, with 80 years on this earth and a Pop-Top camper on my Tacoma, my BFG's and others in the Desert Explorers (on the same roads) seem to last forever.:lol:
YMMV

classicbajabronco - 5-23-2010 at 03:49 PM

i did destroy one set of BFG at's now that I think about it with about 50% tread left. This was due to me driving the vehicle on the road with 18psi. i usually left 18psi in the vehicle and operated it both on/offroad. The steel plys started delaminating and started poking out through the tread. My fault...I now run 24psi and it seems to work well so far.

Barry A. - 5-23-2010 at 04:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Neal Johns
As an over two decade member of the DesertExplorers.org one hundred plus vehicle group, I see that 80 - 90% use BFG T/A KO tires as do I.

When I had brown hair and an FJ-40 Land Cruiser, I drove, uh, rather spiritedly aka like a bat out of hell, and had a fair amount of blowouts due to rock cuts. Now, with 80 years on this earth and a Pop-Top camper on my Tacoma, my BFG's and others in the Desert Explorers (on the same roads) seem to last forever.:lol:
YMMV


Well, I don't know, Neal. When I saw you driving down Vallecitos Wash in March I swear you were going like the perverbial "bat out of hell"--------I gave up trying to catch you, and your even faster friends, before I even started. :lol:

Vision and wiseness (is that a word?) comes with age, and you obviously prove that with your choice of tires. :light:

Viva Neal Johns!!!

Barry

David K - 5-23-2010 at 06:38 PM

I wish they would bring back Armstrong TRU-TRACS !!

I got them on my Jeep back in 1976, from Dick Cepek!

Barry A. - 5-23-2010 at 07:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
I wish they would bring back Armstrong TRU-TRACS !!

I got them on my Jeep back in 1976, from Dick Cepek!


------even the Armstrong Norseman worked pretty well on small vehicles, and was tough as nails----worked really well on my Isuzu Trooper. Armstrong was a great innovator in the off-road tire scene back then-----now gobbled up by some other (can't remember who) tire company.

BA

Neal Johns - 5-23-2010 at 09:40 PM

Tru-Tracks were OK off road but on wet pavement, Oh, Boy, can you spell hydroplane?


Tru-Tracks....,Barry, you must be old! :lol::lol::lol:
Remember when BFG's first came out as bias plys?

David K - 5-23-2010 at 10:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Neal Johns
Tru-Tracs were OK off road but on wet pavement, Oh, Boy, can you spell hydroplane?


Tru-Tracs....,Barry, you must be old! :lol::lol::lol:
Remember when BFG's first came out as bias plys?


My Jeep was pretty heavy, so no hydroplaning for me... It was an aggressive tread that worked good in sand and was not loud on the highway... of course back then I had Led Zepplin cranked up pretty loud on my 8 track! :lol::smug:

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BAJACAT - 5-23-2010 at 10:23 PM

Im saving my money to buy me a new set of GENERAL GRABBER,,BORN FROM BAJA, TAME FOR THE STREET.
35X12.50R17 $295.99 EACH OUCHHHHH
Right now Im running PRO-COMP'S A/T. THEY WEAR OUT QUICK..

Barry A. - 5-23-2010 at 10:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BAJACAT
Im saving my money to buy me a new set of GENERAL GRABBER,,BORN FROM BAJA, TAME FOR THE STREET.
35X12.50R17 $295.99 EACH OUCHHHHH
Right now Im running PRO-COMP'S A/T. THEY WEAR OUT QUICK..


Yep, CAT-------you must have seen that review in PETERSON'S 4-WHEEL AND OFF ROAD magazine, July 2010 issue, pg 84----looks like a winner to me, too.

(I can't begin to explain why the "July 2010" issue is on sale already, tho) :?:

Barry

BAJACAT - 5-23-2010 at 10:38 PM

Barry this tire are everywhere now the street version are nice the big red letters sold me out. I was reading about them in OFF-ROADADVENTURES. AND ALSO ON PETERSONS MAG..THEY WILL LLOK GOOD IN MY RED DODGE

Ken Cooke - 5-24-2010 at 06:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BAJACAT
Barry this tire are everywhere now the street version are nice the big red letters sold me out. I was reading about them in OFF-ROADADVENTURES. AND ALSO ON PETERSONS MAG..THEY WILL LLOK GOOD IN MY RED DODGE


I think they will look awesome on your red Dodge! :bounce:

Bob and Susan - 5-24-2010 at 06:19 AM

you're buying them because they have red letters and look good...

don't get sucked into marketing

Ken Cooke - 5-24-2010 at 07:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob and Susan
you're buying them because they have red letters and look good...

don't get sucked into marketing


The Grabbers returned with some great test results from both magazines, and have a desert-specific tread design and should perform well in Baja. I'd run a set on my Jeep.

David K - 5-24-2010 at 07:28 AM

They look cool... but I am concerned about the noise level with their tread. I wish tires were cheaper and didn't last as long, so I could try them all! :light::bounce: