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Smoking Fish techniques?

Santiago - 5-13-2010 at 02:03 PM

I recently picked up a cheap Brinkman charcoal smoker at a swap meet and have tried beef and pork. I want to take it to Baja and try smoking fish but have run into a gillion different ways to do it. Rubs without brine, brine only, saw dust, chips, or chunks etc. Which fish seem to be best? Shrink wrap when done and freeze?
I know Shari does a bunch.
Thanks.

Edit: and just to get this out of the way - you guys from Gecko can leave out the answers like "Takes at least 3 Zig-Zags", "A 4-way hooka full of Boonsfarm Strawberry" etc etc.

[Edited on 5-13-2010 by Santiago]

torch - 5-13-2010 at 02:12 PM

I am always doing things different , using a new recipe, different brine, different types of wood etc. I think the most important Item to bring to baja would be the type of wood for the smoke. I like apple for fish and hickery for meats. sometimes I will save onion and garlic skins and add them with the wood too. Love to experiment

torch - 5-13-2010 at 02:15 PM

- you guys from Gecko can leave out the answers like "Takes at least 3 Zig-Zags", "A 4-way hooka full of Boonsfarm Strawberry" etc etc.


yea but even if it comes out just ok they will think it is great:yes:

Udo - 5-13-2010 at 02:26 PM

By far the best fish to smoke is an oily fish, such as salmon, marlin, shark, yellowtail, sierra, dorado, etc. Stay away from red snaper, lingcod. I don't know about roosters, :?: common in the SOC.
Freezing will last about 6 months when flash-frozen (dry ice) then in the freezer. Starting the freezing in the freezer only will reduce the durability to about 8 weeks. After that the taste loses some intensity.:O
Time your fillets to cook for about 6 hours if about an inch thick, and the internal temperature should be about 145 degrees:spingrin:

Santiago - 5-13-2010 at 02:35 PM

Torch and Udo: do you brine first? If so, what is in the brine besides water and salt, if anything. I don't suppose anyone tries 'cuda, do they?

torch - 5-13-2010 at 02:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Santiago
Torch and Udo: do you brine first? If so, what is in the brine besides water and salt, if anything. I don't suppose anyone tries 'cuda, do they?


Ive smoked almost everything uh but I didnt inhale.
With fish I brine everytime and not too long or its too salty. A good first recipe is "three mens fish brine". I think that is the name ( I'm bad with this computer stuff) or I would post a link.

torch - 5-13-2010 at 02:49 PM

Damn I wish I knew how to post a link but it comes right up on google search.

Santiago - 5-13-2010 at 02:52 PM

http://www.3men.com/threemen1.htm

Yeah - I've read this and I've copied their recipes.

torch - 5-13-2010 at 02:57 PM

that is great start. just dont over do the brine time or the smoke time. The rest you can experiment with. also mesquite burns pretty hot so if you have to use it mix in something or use a little at a time. I'm getting hungry

estebanis - 5-13-2010 at 03:01 PM

I quit using brine and went to a dry cure years ago. Moved my smoker to baja where I am away from the hustle and bustle and more in the mood for smokin'
I have been buying sculpin from the packing house dirt cheap, curing them overnight and then smoking them up. Not too worried about freezing since it doesn't last very long with all the "Happy Hours" while I am there.
I use a simple salt,brown sugar and powdered Teriyaki marinade. That gives me the ginger and soy flavors.

DENNIS - 5-13-2010 at 03:07 PM

Last night on "Good Eats"...Alton Brown, Food Channel, the episode was about smoking Salmon. If you don't know about this dude, it won't matter, but he says "Sawdust" at about 150 degrees is best.....for that fish anyway.
It was a good show. Sorry you missed it. You could have learned how to make a smoker out of a big Kotex box.

"I quit using brine and went to a dry cure years ago."
Alton agrees with Estebanis.

[Edited on 5-13-2010 by DENNIS]

torch - 5-13-2010 at 03:14 PM

estebanis Ive never done a dry rub on fish but would love to have the recipe or at least a little more than above , also powdered teriyaki (ive never seen this)

DENNIS - 5-13-2010 at 03:21 PM

Here's the Alton Brown salmon thing I was talking about, with a recipe for the rub.

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/smoked-salmon...

Mexitron - 5-13-2010 at 03:27 PM

1) Build one of these on the beach with local materials.



2) Catch fish---yellow croaker is easy and good...

3) Baste w/ soy sauce, brown sugar, salt and pepper.

4) Smoke...we've used Agave leaves, citrus wood, you name it

capt. mike - 5-13-2010 at 03:27 PM

cold smoke is best and go a longer time. 145 is too hot, cooks the meat instead of curing it.
max it at a low 110 and don't brine - go rubs and a wet one.
let 'er rip for 12 hrs and never a heavy wood.
hickory chips or pecan.
get it to coals and not too much smoke.
a water pan is good too.
i smoke so much my wife thinks i am an indian.
how. :tumble:

torch - 5-13-2010 at 03:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mexitron
1) Build one of these on the beach with local materials.



damn, even if it didnt turn out great i'm sure the mushrooms would turn that into an alter - just kidding

Mulegena - 5-13-2010 at 04:04 PM

Can I jump in here with a related question, plz:

Can you do smoked goat cheese also like this? I had some this winter that some friends made from local produce and it was killer!

Santiago - 5-13-2010 at 05:11 PM

Dennis: I did watch Good Eats last night and saw this episode - it was the first time I saw smoked fish without brine which lead me to this post. Estibanis's rub is just about what Elton used.
Estibanis and Mike: how long do you let it sit with the rub before smoking. I do not think I can do a cold smoke in this unit?

comitan - 5-13-2010 at 05:38 PM

You have the same unit I Have, I take brown sugar, salt, Teriyaki Mix it together thick is best put it in ziplock with fish overnight. In the firebowl I start mesquite charcoal when its started I put 3/4 chunks green mesquite, then waterbowl above, then fish on rack, for me 6-8 hrs. The best fish for me is Sierra, Tuna.

[Edited on 5-14-2010 by comitan]

Mike99km - 5-13-2010 at 07:00 PM

I am not a brine fan. I will smoke just about anything that I can, last year 600# of tuna. (Good fishing trip!) The brinkman is a hassle to cold smoke on. To cold smoke the temp should be about 150 to 160 max. and it takes 6 to 8 hours to finish the meat. Some times longer if it's cold outside. If you want to tend the smoker for that long and manage the charcoal have fun. I use a gas smoker and manage the smoke via a smoke box.
Hot smoking will work on most fish and is very easy to do. The smoker should be about 225 to 250. It will take apx. 3 to 4 hours to finish the product, depends thickness of the meat. There are a bunch of dry rubs out on the net check out All Coast andBloody Decks. Dry rubbing the meat will add taste to to product as will mopping it. I mop with thick a maple syrup, brown sugar, pepper, and tapio mix. It's a sweet and sour/hot mop,it goes on after the first hour and is mopped every 20 min after that.
Start playing around with what ever sounds good to you and then change 1 thing at a time until you get what you want as a finished product. Taking notes and keeping the process the same will help you perfect the end product. I did some very good yellow tail that I can't recreate again. Wet smoking will add some flavor and slow the drying process down
We wrap in plastic and vacuum seal the product and bit will hold for about 9 months to a year. It's always best right off the smoker.
I use nut woods and fruit woods or the smoke. Stay away from walnut and other harsh wood.
This is a old way to keep meat from going bad, the smoke and the brine were to help the preserving process, Now we smoke for flavor.:spingrin::spingrin:

Santiago - 5-13-2010 at 07:05 PM

Thanks guys - good stuff.

An earlier discussion

Sharksbaja - 5-14-2010 at 02:05 AM

that I found interesting

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=26681#pid2587... (scroll up)

estebanis - 5-14-2010 at 01:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by torch
estebanis Ive never done a dry rub on fish but would love to have the recipe or at least a little more than above , also powdered teriyaki (ive never seen this)


I have to look at the ethnic stores to find the powdered Teriyaki. An Arabic Food Store in Anaheim carries the Kim's Asian brand that I like.

Generic Dry Cure Recipes

Directions:

Mix 3 parts brown sugar to 1 part non-iodized salt together in a bowl. Add 1 package of dry teriyaki marinade and mix into salt sugar mixture. Layer fillets in a deep non-metallic pan. Rub each fillet lightly with the cure mix and then cover each layer generously with more dry mixture.

Cover and place in refrigerator or ice chest for 18 to 24 hours. The mixture will draw moisture out of the fish, creating it's own liquid brine. Rinse lightly, pat dry, and set out on paper towels to air-dry for about 1 hour. I cover mine with some fly-stopping screens from my camp kitchen.

See below for more info on drying your fish.


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Drying Your Fish
After the fish has been cured, using either brine or dry cure methods, it must be allowed to dry before smoking. This critical step allows a pellicle, or glaze, to form on the skin to keep moisture in and contaminants out. The pellicle also provides a good surface for the smoke to adhere to, giving your smoked fish both its smoky flavor and uniform color.

How to Dry Fish. Rinse the fish in cool running water and pat dry with paper towels and place skin side down in a cool shady spot. If you place your fish on your smoker racks to dry, you can save some time later.

The fish should have plenty of air circulation space all around to ensure even drying. A small fan will help speed up the drying process. The fish is dried and ready for the smoker when the pellicle forms on the surface.

Q: How do I know when the pellicle has formed?
A: When a shiny and tacky (sticky) skin has formed on the fish.

Drying time depends on the moisture content of the fish, the temperature, amount of air flow, and the relative humidity in the surrounding air. The pellicle should be formed usually in about an hour – the time can vary depending on the factors above.
This is what gives some smoked fish that golden or red sheen.

Cypress - 5-14-2010 at 01:11 PM

Smoking fish or anything else isn't hard to do. Temps.? There're about a million recipes on the www. :D

fishabductor - 5-31-2010 at 08:32 PM

Bring along your own wood, I brought down 60# of Alder pellets, 20# of Apple wood, and 20# of cherry wood. the smoke flavor comes from the wood, not the brine. Don't use mesquite for smoking fish..it is way too strong and is best with red meats and chicken.

Cold smoke if possible by getting the fish far from the heat source, or it will cook rather than cure.

For a brine, I use Soy sauce, orange juice, garlic powder, onion powder, salt(iodine) white/brown sugar, a little seafood seasoning and red pepper flakes if you like a little kick. The brine should taste stong. All ingredients need to be added before the brine is brought to a boil, and then cooled to room temp. For best results the fish should be frozen overnight and then thawed and placed in the brine. the freezing breaks down the flesh and creates a better consistency.

My family is a commercercial fishing family from WA(1960-1970's) and AK for over 3 decades and have used this mix for the majority of it. I like to experiment with it at times but the base is always the same.

remember don't soak the fish too long or it will be extremely salty..a couple hours for 2" fillets and about 45min for 1" fillets will suffice. I have used this receipe of salmon(all 5) steelhead, croakers, sierra, dorado, tuna as well as halibut.

Once again Bring a good supply of quality wood, if you have a fruit tree at home trim off some branches and bring them with you...you'll be glad you did!!

durrelllrobert - 6-1-2010 at 02:32 PM

yellow tail is about the only thing I smoke since i don't have salmon in baja and good tuna is too good raw.

i always brine first using 50/50 mix of salt (don't use kosher; it's too strong) and brown sugar injust enough water to dissolve it. brine time depends on thickness of fillet; 1-2 hours for less than 1" thick and 3-6 hours for thicker. never overnight unless you are a real salt freak. remove from brine, rinse in cold water and pat dry with paper towels.

then low and slow in my brinkman charcol smoker:
1) fill bottom with charcoal (i use mesquite chunks) light and and let coals burn down until ash is formed
2) throw on good handfull or two of mesquite or hickory chips that have been soaked in water for at least 2 hours
3) fill water pan with plain H2O and assemble rest of smoker (water helps keep temperature low and adds moisture)
4) put thickest fillets on bottom rack and others on top rack leaving good air space around them
5) watch temp gauge and keep it below 120 by regulating air intake
6) after about 1 hour, open door add 1 or 2 more chunks of charcoal and throw in another handfull of wood chips
7) repeat step 6 five more times (about 6 hours total) then let charcoal burn out and remove fillets after 8 hors.
8) let fillets dry in air for about 1 hour before vacuum sealing.

WORKS FOR ME EVERY TIME. never dried out and perfectly smoked:biggrin:

CortezBlue - 6-2-2010 at 09:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Santiago
I recently picked up a cheap Brinkman charcoal smoker at a swap meet and have tried beef and pork. I want to take it to Baja and try smoking fish but have run into a gillion different ways to do it. Rubs without brine, brine only, saw dust, chips, or chunks etc. Which fish seem to be best? Shrink wrap when done and freeze?
I know Shari does a bunch.
Thanks.

Edit: and just to get this out of the way - you guys from Gecko can leave out the answers like "Takes at least 3 Zig-Zags", "A 4-way hooka full of Boonsfarm Strawberry" etc etc.

[Edited on 5-13-2010 by Santiago]


I remember when I use to use the old Brinkman smoker, and then I got smart.

If you have a grill that has seperate burners that allow you to heat one side of the grill and not the other, just use your grill.

Think about as if you were laying your brinkman on its side.

I use a large envelope of alluminum foil filled with soaked wood chips and put the heat on the opposite side of the fish or meat. You can also use a pan with apple juice or water if you want the moisture.

Give it a try