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U2U warning

DianaT - 5-17-2010 at 11:33 AM

Just a friendly warning---there are people on this board who will and do forward private U2Us to others.

They do not see them as private messages.

Oh, and I have no intention of debating this----it is just a heads-up.

Diana

[Edited on 5-17-2010 by DianaT]

Bajafun777 - 5-17-2010 at 09:03 PM

Too bad people do this but the same goes with emails not cc to others and the one your emailing cc everyone, JUST BAD BAD. Even if the email has no controversy it just should not happen. Later, "NO Hurry, No Worry, Just Fun" bajafun777

Barry A. - 5-17-2010 at 09:34 PM

Just so you will know---------you all are free to forward any u2u or e-mail that I might send to you in the future.

I don't write things that are secrets.

Barry

Cyanide41 - 5-18-2010 at 09:53 AM

why would you think that just because it is an U2U message that the person wouldn't share it with others? If it was something you didn't want shared, maybe you should not have told them to begin with.

[Edited on 5-18-2010 by Cyanide41]

Debra - 5-18-2010 at 12:10 PM

Sorry, that's just plain wrong. It is U2U for a reason and should never be shared without permission.

DENNIS - 5-18-2010 at 12:19 PM

You have to say, "Off the record" and hope your wish is respected. That said...why would anybody be having a private conversation with anyone if they weren't sure their privacy would be respected. The U2U place isn't a confessional.

OK, Diana...let's hear it. Who outed you? Tell us everything. :biggrin:

noproblemo2 - 5-18-2010 at 01:13 PM

I have to agree with DENNIS on this one, if you don't want something repeated, then don't say it in a U2U.

Timo1 - 5-18-2010 at 01:40 PM

I thot "you too You meant exactly that
NOT U2the world

Russ - 5-18-2010 at 01:54 PM

Oh come on! The whole idea of a U2U is personal communications. However I suppose that "personal communications" could mean, to some, any person you wish to pass it on to. I'm with Diana on this. If some one gives you a note, I believe it is implied that it is between the two of you. Otherwise you'd use the chalkboard.

Or Just Put it on Facebook

Bajahowodd - 5-18-2010 at 01:59 PM

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g1UPIJSGVs...

dtbushpilot - 5-18-2010 at 02:00 PM

I agree that it is implied that the message is only for the person receiving it but when someone uses u2u to make a personal insult or derogatory remark to someone all bets are off. ANYTHING that you type and send via computer can end up being viewed by the rest of the world.

If you don't want any possibility of what you are going to say repeated.....well, you know......dt

tripledigitken - 5-18-2010 at 02:05 PM

Sadly in this day and age everything written and most of what you say is subject to being public information.

This is especially true of the internet.

I would still be upset like Diana if it happened to me here with a U2U.

Ken

Sharksbaja - 5-18-2010 at 02:08 PM

Yep, and a lot has to do with trust. Who do you trust?

dtbushpilot - 5-18-2010 at 02:10 PM

So Diane, is this an old, still oozing wound or fresh blood?.......

mtgoat666 - 5-18-2010 at 02:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DianaT
U2 warning


I too like U2's music :bounce:

tripledigitken - 5-18-2010 at 02:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Yep, and a lot has to do with trust. Who do you trust?


With a name like yours, not you!:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

DianaT - 5-18-2010 at 04:20 PM

This was just a heads up----but from the discussion, it does show that there are many opinions about U2Us----.

And for the few people who sent me u2us about this, those u2us are now on facebook, twitter, myspace, buzz, and used as examples in Wikipedia. :biggrin:

[Edited on 5-18-2010 by DianaT]

goat -

capt. mike - 5-18-2010 at 04:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by DianaT
U2 warning


I too like U2's music :bounce:


yur phunnie.
still a turd basically... but phunnie.:lol::lol::lol:

DENNIS - 5-18-2010 at 04:36 PM

Live a life that you can control. If you give up that control, expect anything and everything.
You are in charge of it all, and if you continue to blame others for your actions, you are a pathetic loser.
Don't say that others, to whom you have sent messages, are culpable of anything. It is YOU who violated your sense of privacy by sharing your secret.

Keep your effing sensitive thoughts to yourself.

Sharksbaja - 5-18-2010 at 04:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RichBaja
Does this Dennis guy have split personalities?


U2U him and ask.;D

Bajahowodd - 5-18-2010 at 05:12 PM

We all know that Dennis runs the Punta Banda Welcome Wagon. But few or none of us know whether the newbie is a troll. care to take a vote?:lol:

k-rico - 5-18-2010 at 05:27 PM

RichBaja, want to buy an old truck?

DianaT - 5-18-2010 at 05:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by DianaT

Wow---you sure are full of assumptions----You do have quite an imagination.



I wasn't speaking to you. If I was, you'd know it.


OK, deleted my post.

zforbes - 5-18-2010 at 09:07 PM

I once had a co-worker who would leave nasty notes on my desk. This kept up for several months, and then I started posting her notes on the bulletin board over my desk. End of nasty notes.

For anyone who would send me a nasty u2u/email, be forewarned that I am likely to make it public. I don't want to see it. With other types of notes, I try to honor the sender's wishes about sharing it.

My basic assumption is that once I send an email/u2u, I no longer have control over what is done with it, and I write accordingly. The old adage, "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all," is good advice to follow. ;)

DianaT - 5-18-2010 at 09:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Debra
Oh heck, here we go again............

I think I'll head out to my beach and go for a swim, you guys fight it out.. I'll let you all know if I drown :lol:


Dang, hope you managed to make it back to shore and you are safe and sound! But since you did not report your own drowning, I assume the best. Also hope the water is a lot warmer over there!

DianaT - 5-18-2010 at 09:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by noproblemo2
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by noproblemo2
Well I see that happy hour has started..:lol::O:lol:


Quote:
Originally posted by k-rico
I see Happy Hour has started. :lol:


OOOppppppps!!!:tumble:


That was great!:biggrin:

Debra - 5-19-2010 at 10:45 AM

I'm still here............water is cool, but, warming fast. Next week sshould be perfect.

Big Bark -- Small Stalk, mmm, Life in Baja

BajaGordon - 5-19-2010 at 09:03 PM

I too noticed it's the guys with little dogs that bark the most on these forums.

Just like in real life: the bigger the bark the smaller the stalk.

durrelllrobert - 5-20-2010 at 08:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g1UPIJSGVs...

am I hijacking this thread:?:
The Obama Administration is determined to control communications, particularly through the Internet. In 2009 the Obama Administration tested a data-gathering apparatus through Twitter, Facebook, MySpace, and other social networking sites. They did so without notifying anyone of what they intended to do. They arrogantly invaded the privacy of millions of citizens who use these sites in order to gather information about them, and to enter their email addresses in a national database.



Here is what the investigation uncovered:



The National Legal and Policy Center* (NLPC) has uncovered a plan by the White House New Media operation to hire a technology vendor to conduct a massive, secret effort to harvest personal information on millions of Americans from social networking websites. The information to be captured includes comments, tag lines, emails, audio, and video. The targeted sites include Facebook, Twitter, MySpace, YouTube, Flickr and others – any space where the White House "maintains a presence."



This database was discussed in the previous article in the series. It is provided by Oracle and it enables the government to have broad, sweeping abilities to spy on average citizens as a matter of routine.



The goal of this database is the development of something called 'Data.gov.' It's objective is to 'redesign the government' using Internet technology. But with the manner in which the Obama Administration has been using the technology already, the whole thing amounts to 'techno-terrorism. '



The website for 'Government 2.0 Club' provides the details about Data.gov.



The problem with this scheme is encapsulated in this:



"Data.gov has to be comprehensive and timely. While the Constitution calls for separation of powers, we do not believe that Data.gov, run by the Executive Branch of Government, should be limited to only Executive Branch information. It should encompass all branches of Government and every independent agency. (p.s. an OPML based list of all government agencies represented in the natural hierarchy of Government should be a data feed!) And it should constantly be growing.



In other words, in the thinking of those who are developing Government 2.0, Data.gov, and other such far-reaching advancements in the ability of the government to snoop into our lives, the restrictions of the Constitution are a non-issue. They pose absolutely no roadblock for the technocrats that sit behind the scenes proposing and implementing these Orwellian plans.



Separation of powers? No problem. That is just a relic from a different era. Obviously, according to the prevailing wisdom of the totalitarians, consolidation of power is not only preferable, but it is so, well... practical.

Dig deeper, for there is much, much more shocking information- -too much to publish here. But the information contained in the links below will only serve to confirm the dire, ominous nature of the present push toward centralized government control of all of life.



Threat Level 'Emergency Powers' The Infamous NEA Conference Call Startup Lessons for Gov 2.0 The Platform for Government 2.0



*The National Legal and Policy Center (NLPC) was founded to promote ethics, and to give the Code of Ethics for Government (authored by Sen. Paul Douglas (D-IL) who served from 1948 to 1964). The Code of Ethics for Government "Sense of Congress" resolution was passed by Congress on July 11, 1958 – it urges adherence to the Code by all government.



A main thrust of the NLPC is to give the Code the visibility it deserves. NLPC promotes ethics in public life through research, investigation, education and legal action.

Bajaboy - 5-20-2010 at 09:33 AM

I'm guilty....It was me!!!! I shared a U2U with my mom, my wife, and Shari from Diane. I wanted to confirm that Diane went over the top with her suggestion that I was intentionally trying to undermine her efforts for the local bike club.

Message to Diane.....pull the wedgie out of your crack....

Love-The Prick!!!

DENNIS - 5-20-2010 at 09:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy

Love-The Prick!!!


Can you find another way to say that? :lol::lol:

noproblemo2 - 5-20-2010 at 10:41 AM

:O:O:O

DanO - 5-20-2010 at 11:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy

Love-The Prick!!!


Can you find another way to say that? :lol::lol:


It works better if you replace the hyphen with a comma. We definitely need a punctuation checker around here.

tripledigitken - 5-20-2010 at 11:05 AM

Good one Dano!:lol::lol:

mtgoat666 - 5-20-2010 at 11:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
I'm guilty....It was me!!!! I shared a U2U with my mom, my wife, and Shari from Diane. I wanted to confirm that Diane went over the top with her suggestion that I was intentionally trying to undermine her efforts for the local bike club.

Message to Diane.....pull the wedgie out of your crack....

Love-The Prick!!!


DianeSlayerOfDK and BajaJuvenile:
you both vacation in same small town. why ya trying to start a feud on the interweb? don't you got any idea that small town fueds are nasty, and taking it from streets to the interweb is bound to not end well.

y'all should kiss and make up. love thy neighbor! (unless he is mrbillm)

DianaT - 5-20-2010 at 06:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DianaT
Just a friendly warning---there are people on this board who will and do forward private U2Us to others.

They do not see them as private messages.

Oh, and I have no intention of debating this----it is just a heads-up.

Diana


Since this thread started as quoted above and was meant to be a heads-up about U2Us in general, I find the different opinions about the u2u very interesting. Some of the opinions that have been shared.

1. A u2u should be considered private and that should be respected.
2. It is the best place to deal with a disagreement, and privacy should be respected
3. Once something is put on any place on the internet, it is public information and there is no problem with posting and sharing it anywhere--twitter, here we come.
4. If someone does not like what is written, then it is up to them to decide whether it should be private or not.
5. If someone does not like what is written, it is their duty to share it---sort of like the teacher who collected notes to read to the entire class.
6. Once someone receives an e-mail or u2u it belongs to the receiver and they are free to do whatever they choose with the communication.
7. It is ok to share a u2u if one needs their own opinion affirmed by others.

I am sure there are other opinions about the nature of the u2u and they would be interesting to read. Maybe some of it is a statement on modern technology and its effects on ethics---and then again, maybe not.

But as the thread started, it is just a heads up that not everyone thinks u2us should be private. There are lots of different opinions about the nature of a u2u.





[Edited on 5-21-2010 by DianaT]

dtbushpilot - 5-20-2010 at 08:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lencho
Quote:
Originally posted by DianaT
6. Once someone receives an e-mail or u2u it belongs to the receiver and they are free to do whatever they choose with the communication.

Stretching standards. Legally, I believe emails and probably u2u are copyright belonging to the author. For what that's worth...

--Larry


Once you hit that "send" button it should be considered public domain. Of course you can request confidence but don't bet your life, future, marriage or reputation on it.....just ask Tiger......dt

Skipjack Joe - 5-20-2010 at 09:12 PM

I had this friend in grammar school that would often start conversations with

"I'll tell you something if you promise never to tell anyone else about it"

The trouble was that he said the same thing to everyone. Each of us thought he was getting a special deal but, in fact, all of us knew this 'secret'.

I don't know how that relates to U2U's .... but somehow it seems to.

dtbushpilot - 5-20-2010 at 09:21 PM

I don't do a lot of u2uing but if I send you one you have my permission to share it as you feel it is appropriate. If I make you angry (not likely) I will expect it to come back to haunt me. If you send me one and ask me to keep it confidential I will. If you send me a u2u that pi$$es me off I will do whatever I want with it........sender beware.....dt

Uncovered a plan?

Mexicorn - 5-21-2010 at 08:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by durrelllrobert
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g1UPIJSGVs...

am I hijacking this thread:?:
The Obama Administration is determined to control communications, particularly through the Internet. In 2009 the Obama Administration tested a data-gathering apparatus through Twitter, Facebook, MySpace, and other social networking sites. They did so without notifying anyone of what they intended to do. They arrogantly invaded the privacy of millions of citizens who use these sites in order to gather information about them, and to enter their email addresses in a national database.



Here is what the investigation uncovered:



The National Legal and Policy Center* (NLPC) has uncovered a plan by the White House New Media operation to hire a technology vendor to conduct a massive, secret effort to harvest personal information on millions of Americans from social networking websites. The information to be captured includes comments, tag lines, emails, audio, and video. The targeted sites include Facebook, Twitter, MySpace, YouTube, Flickr and others – any space where the White House "maintains a presence."



This database was discussed in the previous article in the series. It is provided by Oracle and it enables the government to have broad, sweeping abilities to spy on average citizens as a matter of routine.



The goal of this database is the development of something called 'Data.gov.' It's objective is to 'redesign the government' using Internet technology. But with the manner in which the Obama Administration has been using the technology already, the whole thing amounts to 'techno-terrorism. '



The website for 'Government 2.0 Club' provides the details about Data.gov.



The problem with this scheme is encapsulated in this:



"Data.gov has to be comprehensive and timely. While the Constitution calls for separation of powers, we do not believe that Data.gov, run by the Executive Branch of Government, should be limited to only Executive Branch information. It should encompass all branches of Government and every independent agency. (p.s. an OPML based list of all government agencies represented in the natural hierarchy of Government should be a data feed!) And it should constantly be growing.



In other words, in the thinking of those who are developing Government 2.0, Data.gov, and other such far-reaching advancements in the ability of the government to snoop into our lives, the restrictions of the Constitution are a non-issue. They pose absolutely no roadblock for the technocrats that sit behind the scenes proposing and implementing these Orwellian plans.



Separation of powers? No problem. That is just a relic from a different era. Obviously, according to the prevailing wisdom of the totalitarians, consolidation of power is not only preferable, but it is so, well... practical.

Dig deeper, for there is much, much more shocking information- -too much to publish here. But the information contained in the links below will only serve to confirm the dire, ominous nature of the present push toward centralized government control of all of life.



Threat Level 'Emergency Powers' The Infamous NEA Conference Call Startup Lessons for Gov 2.0 The Platform for Government 2.0



*The National Legal and Policy Center (NLPC) was founded to promote ethics, and to give the Code of Ethics for Government (authored by Sen. Paul Douglas (D-IL) who served from 1948 to 1964). The Code of Ethics for Government "Sense of Congress" resolution was passed by Congress on July 11, 1958 – it urges adherence to the Code by all government.



A main thrust of the NLPC is to give the Code the visibility it deserves. NLPC promotes ethics in public life through research, investigation, education and legal action.







Great Post Mr. Durell;
Now on to more important things do you have any concrete proof positive supporting the exsistance of the following things:

Bigfoot?

The Bermuda Triangle disapearence therories?

The shooter from the grassy knoll?

The existance of Angels?

Do you ever have extended conversations with your spirt guide?

The apprehensions of Human Beings by aliens to conduct experiments on our bodies while in their space ships using probes and completly erasing the memory of the victim at the conclusion of the act?

If so please contact the Obama administratrion they may have a job for you-

shari - 5-21-2010 at 09:49 AM

I agree... you own your words...but we read, pass on and discuss books and sing other peoples songs that are copyrighted ...the written word naturally spawns discussion.

I also agree personal discussions or bickering should be taken to U2U as they are not the publics business.

I have received sensitive U2U's where the person has requested confidentiality which of course is honoured.

On occasion, I have also received a few nasty, hurtful U2U's which I have shared with family and friends out of frustration, anger, pain etc. I do this to seek an opinion...so I can check in to see if somehow I was mistaken or out of line to cause this reaction. i dont think this is uncommon and definately do not think my integrity is compromised... as someone here has suggested.

I often forward parts of emails & U2U's to keep others "in the loop" (instead of paraphrasing which can get you into trouble) which is a simple, quick way of sharing of information.

I have also had the honour to receive hilarious, creative, kind and loving U2U's which I have also shared to brighten up a loved ones day.

Communication is a tool and an art (which I am trying to improve my skills)Among our network of friends and family, we openly discuss ideas & issues as a way of supporting each other and try to help each other solve problems through thoughtful communication.

Baja Nomad is often a common thread in our lives as many of us have become friends and maintain long distance friendships through this network...thus we discuss themes and issues that come up on the board & in U2U's which is perfectly natural and healthy.

Many of us come from very different backgrounds and have opposing outlooks on politics, lifestyle etc...but we manage to get along by politely respecting each other's differences, listening and learning from each other.

Often there are misunderstandings & misinterpretations of the written word. Sometimes people dont communicate effectively...or their words are misinterpreted causing friction, drama, hurt feelings etc. Sometimes people write things they regret...we are human...some are just having a bad day, are drunk, got their buttons pushed, or screwed up their meds so may overreact or react inappropriately.

Usually through further explanation via U2U or email we come to a better understanding of things... apologies are offered and accepted...we kiss and make up and continue a healthy friendship.

Discussing things maturely clears the air and helps us understand the others point of view more clearly. Whether we agree or not doesnt matter as long as we are civil with one another.

noproblemo2 - 5-21-2010 at 10:05 AM

Well said Shari!!!!

DianaT - 5-21-2010 at 11:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by lencho

Summarizing, U2U's are a lot like other personal communications. It's a matter of privacy and respect. Some folks do, some don't.

Personally, I tend not to say much to the latter. :)

--Larry


Well, since we started this this thread, we will say that this is one opinion with which we totally agree. To us the rest is rationalization.

And when there has been a pattern of a lack of privacy and a lack of respect, well---time to move on. Life is too short and too much fun to deal with those one cannot trust.

It has been interesting to see that so many feel differently, but we all do have our own sense of morals and ethics,---and life goes on.

John and Diane



[Edited on 5-23-2010 by DianaT]