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Foreigners want to create paramilitary groups in Cabo

lapazdivedeep - 5-21-2010 at 12:15 PM

Carrie tried to suggest on the Gringo Gazette a few weeks ago a way to put a control on the level of police bribes and corruption. This is the local newspaper (on the government payroll) answer!!!

Extranjeros pretenden crear grupos paramilitares propios
El Sudcaliforniano
21 de mayo de 2010

Aracely Hernández F.

La Paz, Baja California Sur.- Ante la inseguridad que se vive en Los Cabos, la estadounidense Carrie Duncan, convoca a sus paisanos radicados en ese polo turístico internacional a conformar un cuerpo militar para ejercer los propios extranjeros su ley y convertirse en los "vigilantes" de las acciones del gobierno federal, estatal y municipal, así como tener bajo lupa al sector público y al privado, según lo manifiesta.

Pese a que Carrie Duncan ya había sido deportada, la extranjera, como no se siente "segura" en Los Cabos, en lugar de retornar a su país, opta por buscar hacer su propio gobierno mediante un cuerpo paramilitar de los que abundan en su nación ya que según ella, los policías y mesero roban y extorsionan al turismo.

La editora del tabloide "Gringo Gazette" ha venido convocando a reuniones, como fue en el pasado 21 de abril en el restaurante Amarone, donde Duncan propuso abiertamente la creación de una milicia.

Asimismo, la extranjera convocó a otra reunión el pasado 6 de mayo en las oficinas de la propia editora, en su pretensión de continuar con su proyecto de fortalecer la milicia que ya ha iniciado tipo "ku-kux-klan" seguramente, porque de acuerdo su columna publicada en Gringo Gazette, el pasado marzo 29 de 2010, narra cómo el turismo es robado y extorsionado por la policía y meseros de bares y restaurantes en Los Cabos.

Afirma la extranjera que en Baja California Sur "La Ley es el problema" junto con las instituciones en sus tres niveles de gobierno. Además, asegura también en su columna, con caracteres enfatizados que "El gobierno es el problema".

Durante su reuniones se refiere al gobierno estatal y local como "un grupo de pin... pende... rateros, con los que se pretende acabar".

Carrie Duncan, un personaje ampliamente conocido en la comunidad de Los Cabos por su abierto racismo contra los mexicanos, así como su hostil actitud para con las instituciones nacionales y gobiernos locales, tal y como lo ha venido señalando en su publicación editada en inglés y que se distribuye entre la sociedad extranjera radicada en el sur de la entidad, resalta su actitud discriminatoria, racista y su rechazo hacia la cultura local.

Cabe mencionar que todo indica que esta persona fue deportada de México por insultar a las autoridades del Instituto Nacional de Migración.

JESSE - 5-21-2010 at 01:28 PM

If shes not a citizen, shes asking for serious trouble.

toneart - 5-21-2010 at 01:31 PM

Bad idea!

These crazies are also running around in the Northern California mountains, where I live. They are extreme right wing survivalists, many of them white supremists. They fire semi-automatic rifles day and night in the canyon just below my house. They are preparing for a racial revolutionary war. I know who they are for a fact!

Bajahowodd - 5-21-2010 at 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
If shes not a citizen, shes asking for serious trouble.

Doesn't the article state that she has been deported? My Spanish is not what I'd like it to be. And I do know that she had been deported a few years back for getting too political in her editorials, but was able to legally gain re-entry.

toneart - 5-21-2010 at 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
If shes not a citizen, shes asking for serious trouble.

Yup!

jodiego - 5-21-2010 at 04:07 PM

For those articles that I can't possible interpret, I use google translator. http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en&ie=UTF-&am...

Just cut and paste and you have a general translation. Hope that helps.

JESSE - 5-21-2010 at 04:11 PM

I don't mind her political criticism (legally shes is not supposed to do that if she's not a citizen), but sometimes i do find her "editorials" not very Mexican friendly (she lives here, go figure).

Now, if someone would translate many of her editorials to spanish, and reprint them in a Mexican newspaper, then all hell would break lose.

Bajahowodd - 5-21-2010 at 05:06 PM

Jesse- I don't know if you've ever met her. She is a very interesting and complex person. I give her props for having been able to grow her tourist advertising rag into what it has become (revenue-wise). And in reality, that's really only what it supposed to be. Never supposed to be a crusading journal. Of course, it did not happen in a vacuum, inasmuch as David Flores, a Mexican citizen, has done much of the leg work for her. But, once again, I have to ask, whether she has been deported for the second time.

Cypress - 5-21-2010 at 05:21 PM

She'll be welcome in Arizona! :biggrin:

And the good govt. officials in Mexico? :lol:

They can... :biggrin:

JESSE - 5-21-2010 at 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Jesse- I don't know if you've ever met her. She is a very interesting and complex person. I give her props for having been able to grow her tourist advertising rag into what it has become (revenue-wise). And in reality, that's really only what it supposed to be. Never supposed to be a crusading journal. Of course, it did not happen in a vacuum, inasmuch as David Flores, a Mexican citizen, has done much of the leg work for her. But, once again, I have to ask, whether she has been deported for the second time.

Like i said, if most Mexicans in the area could read her stuff, she wouldn't be here.

k-rico - 5-21-2010 at 05:41 PM

Google translation

La Paz, Baja California Sur .- Given the uncertainty that exists in Los Cabos, American Carrie Duncan, invites his countrymen living in the international tourist center to form a military force to pursue its own foreign law and become " vigilantes "of the actions of federal, state and municipal as well as having under the microscope to the public and private sector, as manifested.

Although Carrie Duncan had already been deported, the foreigner, and does not feel "safe" in Los Cabos, instead of returning to his country, chooses to look to their own government through a paramilitary body which abound in their nation since according to her, the police and rob and extort waiter tourism.

The editor of the tabloid "Gringo Gazette" has been convening meetings, as was the April 21 in the Amarone restaurant where Duncan openly proposed the creation of a militia.

Also, the foreign convened another meeting on 6 May in the offices of the publisher itself, in its attempt to continue its project to strengthen the military has already begun such as "Ku-Klux-Klan" Certainly, because according his column published in Gringo Gazette, last March 29, 2010, tells of how tourism is stolen and extorted by the police and waiters in bars and restaurants in Los Cabos.

The foreign claims in Baja California Sur "The law is the problem" with the institutions at all three levels of government. Moreover, in his column also ensures, with characters emphasized that "The government is the problem."

During his meetings referred to state and local government as "a group of pin ... hangs ... thieves, which aim to stop."

Carrie Duncan, a character well known in the community of Los Cabos for his open racism against Mexicans and their hostile attitude toward national institutions and local governments, as has been pointing out in his book has been published in English and is distributed among the foreign company based in the south of the state, highlighting their attitudes, discrimination, racism and rejection of local culture.

It is noteworthy that all indications are that this person was deported from Mexico for insulting the authorities of the National Migration Institute.

[Edited on 5-22-2010 by k-rico]

AND, the Real Message Is ?

MrBillM - 5-21-2010 at 05:44 PM

That Duncan is a BAD Tipper ?

AND, With a BAD Attitude ?

AND, a Militia of ONE ?

Sounds like a REAL Threat.

[Edited on 5-22-2010 by MrBillM]

Two possibilities

Dave - 5-21-2010 at 06:44 PM

She's actually promoting vigilantism, OR being set up.

Either way...she's gone.

toneart - 5-21-2010 at 09:25 PM

Sounds like she is trying to commit suicide. :?:

Bomberro - 5-22-2010 at 06:05 AM

The problem for Mexico is Duncan exposes the bribery and extortion that goes on daily involving American Tourists. She has done this with first person letters written by those so harmed. Its possible some of the letters exaggerate what actually happened, however, the victims at least are heard, err one side at least. I think they want her gone to stop the spread of information, gosh, who would ever think that a Country that benefits so much from the tourist dollar would clean up the system, or just plug the leak of news as that is much easier. How many people have driven through Constitution lately and been pulled over for DWG? Last time they tossed her out of Mexico, she continued to run the Gringo Gazette from California. I hope she lands softly....

Floatflyer - 5-22-2010 at 07:07 AM

What a contrast between countries. You can get deported for voicing your political opinion in Mexico is you are not a citizen but if you are illegal in the US not only can you have mass demonstrations but can get tons of $$ for "entitlements"!

If we legal Mexican residents were treated half as good as the illegals in the US with translators, free health care, etc, there might be a rush across the border south. Wonder how the Mexican government would like that??? :lol:

Indecent Exposure ?

MrBillM - 5-22-2010 at 08:45 AM

So ?

" The problem for Mexico is Duncan exposes the bribery and extortion that goes on daily involving American Tourists ".

People were unaware of this ? Bribery and Extortion ?

I'm SHOCKED. SHOCKED to find out such things go on.

Hook - 5-22-2010 at 09:34 AM

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Like i said, if most Mexicans in the area could read her stuff, she wouldn't be here.

No, what you mean is if the Mexicans IN CONTROL OF GOVT AND THE POLICE could read her stuff, she wouldnt be here.

The average Mexican, who is more subjected to the corruption of the govt and police force in Cabo, would probably agree with much that she writes about.

karenintx - 5-22-2010 at 09:46 AM

As seen on The Baja Western Onion today:

Ripped Off By Police? - The Gringo Gazette is in the process of collecting factual stories from people who were extorted by the federal police on the road to the airport. If you have had this problem, please write to us, giving as much detail as possible, including time of day, date, name of officer and license of the police car. We will be presenting these letters to Comandante Roberto Chalico, the head of the federal police in Los Cabos. We keep being told that they can do nothing about it without proof, so let's give it to them. Thank you for your help, Carrie Duncan, Publisher Gringo Gazette carrie@gringogazette.com, none, 14 30865

Huge $400 Fine (by) Cabo Cops (Courtesy, La Paz Gringos) - Be careful around the Cabo airport with the Hwy Patrol. I dropped someone off on the way to store my car nearby. Got pulled over for expired registration (South Dakota). Told me they would impound my car if I didn't pay $400 US on the spot. Took me to the airport ATM that dispenses $$$US and I paid Officer Garcia of the Federal Polizia the $400. He told me his name was Hernandez, but Garcia was on his badge. At least I made my flight. - Deborah, groups.yahoo.com/group/lapazgringos/

Maybe something good will come out of this. Just like in La Paz INM...if someone had not started the process, then "El Jefe" would not have been exposed.

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toneart - 5-22-2010 at 09:46 AM

I admire her temerity! However, I think she is putting herself in a vulnerable position or even danger. Of course, she is aware of her risks and chooses to act. Very bold! :coolup:

lapazdivedeep - 5-22-2010 at 11:02 AM

I admire her temerity as well!! But really she never mentioned to form a paramilitary group. That is complete BS from local newspaper. Reality is that she is the only one willing to suggest something against rampant corruption and extorsions. Tourism is still down 50% mostly because of that.

From today El Sudcaliforniano

La Paz
Investigan a supuestos grupos paramilitares en Los Cabos
El Sudcaliforniano
22 de mayo de 2010

Aracely Hernández Flores

La Paz, Baja California Sur.- La Secretaría de la Defensa Nacional (SEDENA) como el Instituto Nacional de Migración (INM) investigará los supuestos grupos de milicia y/o policía conformados por extranjeros en Los Cabos, quienes según tienen el objetivo de "vigilar" las acciones de gobierno en sus tres niveles como a los policías y autoridades que, según Carrie Duncan, extorsionan a los turistas extranjeros.

"The government is the problema" es una de las frases escritas por puño y letra de la estadounidense en la publicación de GRINGO Gazette del 29 de marzo de 2010, "The law is the problema", habla sobre las extorsiones de que son objeto por parte de la Policía Federal Preventiva, sobre los meseros, policías preventivos y diversas autoridades y propone un programa de vigilantes para defenderse de los ataques y abusos de autoridad mexicana.

Ante esto, autoridades de migración advirtieron que van a confirmar el estatus migratorio de Carrie Duncan así como los antecedentes, ya que la extranjera fue deportada el 14 de febrero de 2002, igualmente por publicar artículos contra autoridades migratorias, según parece.

Si bien es cierto, que la libertad de expresión es universal, también es cierto que las aseveraciones contra la PFP, policía preventiva y agentes del Ministerio Público deberán estar sustentados con denuncias respectivas de los afectados, fechas y horas precisas.

Ante la supuesta creación de una policía alterna y/o milicia que se conformó para vigilar las acciones de las autoridades en sus tres niveles de gobierno, tomando en cuenta que la PFP es de orden federal, la preventiva es competencia municipal y los ministeriales son de orden estatal, las aseveraciones de Carrie Duncan contra nuestras autoridades están siendo investigadas también, según informa la SEDENA así como Migración.

JESSE - 5-22-2010 at 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by Floatflyer
What a contrast between countries. You can get deported for voicing your political opinion in Mexico is you are not a citizen but if you are illegal in the US not only can you have mass demonstrations but can get tons of $$ for "entitlements"!

If we legal Mexican residents were treated half as good as the illegals in the US with translators, free health care, etc, there might be a rush across the border south. Wonder how the Mexican government would like that??? :lol:

Yes, things are different, some for better, some for worst, but i wouldn't go as far as saying they have it better over there. Any american can come here and get a visa in no time with no problems, even for a business that a Mexican can do. So thats a huge advantage on the Mexican side.

JESSE - 5-22-2010 at 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by Hook

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Like i said, if most Mexicans in the area could read her stuff, she wouldn't be here.

No your wrong, the Mexicans that i know, that speak english, don't care much about Duncan. And its not the goverment criticism that they don't care for (on that i think we all agree with her), but its the little comment here and there, the little words he uses to describe the way Mexicans work here, the way things are done here. She stops short of saying lazy, stupid, uneducated, but we get the point.

I am not from southern baja myself, things are done differently here, a hell of a lot slower than in the north, i am also very frustated with the way the locals do tings, but this is THEIR state, and i think it would be rude at the very least from my part, to speak bad about my guests. I consider her comments sometimes, very very rude.

Oh and the goverment and police, they read their stuff all the time.

JESSE - 5-22-2010 at 01:37 PM

The newspaper story is bullchit, who ever did that, really wanted the non english spaking Mexicans to get to know Duncan and her writtings. And now everybody is speaking about her, the problem is that old comments are coming out and shes not getting any simpathy from locals.

Mexicans in general have always been afraid of having problems with any press, since the press was always a tool for goverment and it was used as a way to attack goverment enemies. Duncan does not get as much direct criticism from Mexicans in cabo, because of this traditional fear. But i know many that have businesses, and in private, do not care much about her.

I personally could care less about what happens, but i do hope she listens to this long time goverment critic and understand that shes getting into some serious trouble. We citizens of Baja are working hard to criticise the goverment, to expose things, and to improve things even if it means a change of goverment, we do this sometimes with a risk to our businesses.

Cypress - 5-22-2010 at 01:53 PM

Jesse, She's "Getting into some serious trouble." That happens to people who speak out against thuggish govts.

The US is trending towards the the same.

But we're gonna reverse that trend in Nov. :spingrin:

DianaT - 5-22-2010 at 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Jesse, She's "Getting into some serious trouble." That happens to people who speak out against thuggish govts.

The US is trending towards the the same.

But we're gonna reverse that trend in Nov. :spingrin:

We already reversed that trend in November of 2008 --- still a long ways to go to undo the damage done, but workin on it. :yes:

But I will agree that it sounds like she is possibly headed for serious trouble.

BTW, Jesse, if you would feel free to comment, would you characterize the Mexican Government as thuggish?

[Edited on 5-22-2010 by DianaT]

mtgoat666 - 5-22-2010 at 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cypress
Jesse, She's "Getting into some serious trouble." That happens to people who speak out against thuggish govts.

The US is trending towards the the same.

But we're gonna reverse that trend in Nov. :spingrin:

compare cheney to biden. which one is thuggiest?

Thuggish Dangers

MrBillM - 5-22-2010 at 02:10 PM

While I haven't been following the "Duncan Do Nuts" saga closely, its lengthy continuation would seem to put the lie to the "theory" that the Big Bad Corrupt Government can (and will) deal at will with such things.

After all, how difficult would it be for an oppressive bunch of Thugs with easy access to a variety of resources to simply "disappear" the problem or have them be the unfortunate victim of a Cartel Drug war that kills ordinary citizens all the time ?

That it hasn't happened is interesting.

DianaT - 5-22-2010 at 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
While I haven't been following the "Duncan Do Nuts" saga closely, its lengthy continuation would seem to put the lie to the "theory" that the Big Bad Corrupt Government can (and will) deal at will with such things.

After all, how difficult would it be for an oppressive bunch of Thugs with easy access to a variety of resources to simply "disappear" the problem or have them be the unfortunate victim of a Cartel Drug war that kills ordinary citizens all the time ?

That it hasn't happened is interesting.

Does not seem that it would be that difficult for her to disappear.

[Edited on 5-22-2010 by DianaT]

Cypress - 5-22-2010 at 02:27 PM

Daina T. and mtgoat666, The phrase "stuck on stupid" comes to mind. Some folks can be just as dumb as they want to be. :lol:

JESSE - 5-22-2010 at 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by DianaT

Quote:

Originally posted by Cypress
Jesse, She's "Getting into some serious trouble." That happens to people who speak out against thuggish govts.

The US is trending towards the the same.

But we're gonna reverse that trend in Nov. :spingrin:

BTW, Jesse, if you would feel free to comment, would you characterize the Mexican Government as thuggish?

[Edited on 5-22-2010 by DianaT]

Not at all, we are pretty much free to say and do what we please about the feds, but you have to be careful with the state goverment, they are still stuck in the 1980's.

DianaT - 5-22-2010 at 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE

Quote:

Originally posted by DianaT

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Originally posted by Cypress
Jesse, She's "Getting into some serious trouble." That happens to people who speak out against thuggish govts.

BTW, Jesse, if you would feel free to comment, would you characterize the Mexican Government as thuggish?

[Edited on 5-22-2010 by DianaT]

Not at all, we are pretty much free to say and do what we please about the feds, but you have to be careful with the state goverment, they are still stuck in the 1980's.

Thank you Jesse. Wonder who will be the winner in the next state elections----as always, should be interesting to follow.

[Edited on 5-22-2010 by DianaT]

grizzlyfsh95 - 5-22-2010 at 04:16 PM

After perusing these pages for several months, it is clear which side of the political debate most of the writers are on. It is also clear that the editor is being " set up" by someone with whom they have offended because their politics are different. I see that the hostility, myopic views and prejudice that are all too evident in the States are alive and well here in Paradise.

Bajahowodd - 5-22-2010 at 05:02 PM

In fact, the editor of the Gringo Gazette is David Flores, who is a Mexican national. Duncan, on the other hand, was allegedly deported the first time for running a business without having an FM-3. Don't know if she was doing business on a tourist visa, or no visa at all. Her deportation in 2002 was actually a political hatchet job, inasmuch as her paper had a running feud with developers on the East Cape. Sort of like Al Capone going to jail for tax evasion.

http://www.loszacatitos.net/history/gringogazette/images/baj...

irenemm - 5-22-2010 at 06:19 PM

Was the Gringo Gazette in Ensenada in the 80's? I remember it having some trouble and then I did not hear about it anymore.
Does any one remember?
It did have problems there too.

Learn Something Every Day ?

MrBillM - 5-22-2010 at 07:04 PM

A Hatchet Job ?

Does that mean that AL really DID pay his taxes ?

Ohhh Puhhleeze! Let's Get Real

Gypsy Jan - 5-22-2010 at 07:10 PM

Carrie Duncan is an avaricious, scheming carpetbagger whose only agenda is to advance her own interests.

Granted, she is very skillful at stirring the pot with a little truth and a lot of innuendo, creating a stew that will get the gringos agitated.

Some of my memorable quotes from the Duncan anthology: "Those people should tell Jose to get the drinks to the table mas pronto," and this one, "My best customers are idiotic baseball-cap-wearing mouth-breathers who drink beer for breakfast and only care about the fishing."

I could go on, but you get the drift.

This shrew only cares about corruption when it doesn't directly benefit her and her interests.

Gypsy Jan - 5-22-2010 at 07:12 PM

Edited because I decided to delete a recounting of her use of the "N" word in one of her editorials; I don't want to perpetuate the insult on the internet.

[Edited on 5-23-2010 by Gypsy Jan]

[Edited on 5-23-2010 by Gypsy Jan]

JESSE - 5-22-2010 at 08:32 PM

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Originally posted by grizzlyfsh95
After perusing these pages for several months, it is clear which side of the political debate most of the writers are on. It is also clear that the editor is being " set up" by someone with whom they have offended because their politics are different. I see that the hostility, myopic views and prejudice that are all too evident in the States are alive and well here in Paradise.

The "editor" has been asking for it for years, and its not about politics, most of what she says is fine with most people, the problem is that little dark side she has that rears its ugly head every now and then. If it wasn't for that, she would have plenty of support from locals and americans alike.

You can't blame anybody for her own mistakes.

Dangerous Duncan

MrBillM - 5-23-2010 at 08:58 AM

Well, we can't send her to see AL.

Well, maybe the Mexicans "Could".

osoflojo - 5-23-2010 at 03:57 PM

I knew Duncan when she first came to Cabo with her rag, Gypsy Jan is absolutly right, and as Jesse has alluded her transgressions go far beyond criticism of the gov. She is a self serving paraiah(sp) who creates more hate and discontent than any positive points of view. She should not have been let back in the country after her first deportation. There is no redeeming social value in this person.

Bajahowodd - 5-23-2010 at 04:14 PM

Actually, Mr. Bile, CD is somewhat of a redneck biker chic from the Coachella Valley. You two would probably bond. :biggrin:

C.V. Rednecks ?

MrBillM - 5-24-2010 at 09:35 AM

The immediate question would be How HowOdd is familiar with Coachella Valley Rednecks and their environment ? Obviously, more familiar than the rest of us.

The Coachella Valley would be a good location for them, though. I usually refer to it as a large Septic System which flushes out around Indio on its way to the Salton Sea. It's an area to be avoided when possible. The only times I've ventured off of I-10 into the C.V. in the last few years has been to Medical Facilities in Rancho Mirage.

Thanks for keeping the rest of us up on the Coachella goings-on. I'll keep an eye out for Redneck Bikers.

[Edited on 5-24-2010 by MrBillM]

Cypress - 5-25-2010 at 09:47 AM

Yea, liberals like to think of themselves as openminded and compassionate. Unless you disagree with 'em. Then the name calling and venom begins. :lol:

motoged - 5-25-2010 at 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Yea, liberals like to think of themselves as openminded and compassionate. Unless you disagree with 'em. Then the name calling and venom begins. :lol:

And......republicans. tea partiers, and the rest of the right -wing ilk are the opposite????

Close-minded and heartless???

gnukid - 5-25-2010 at 02:33 PM

You're welcome, Please Enjoy choosing either of the two party middle managers who both work for the same pathetic elite unelected boss, or you can choose among the fake third parties and really go rogue. If you win you will smug and agree with everything that fails to be accomplished and if your party loses then you can pleasantly blame the 'other' party for their failure-yes you always win. Go back to work, consume, be happy, everything is ok.