BajaNomad - table saw safety device...very cool

table saw safety device...very cool

classicbajabronco - 5-29-2010 at 09:59 AM

check out this video.....I am definately getting one!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1

DENNIS - 5-29-2010 at 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by classicbajabronco

table saw safety device...very cool

I saw that a couple of years back in a TV demonstration. It was [is ??] still in the RD stage.
Whatever it will cost, I doubt any of us could afford a machine with that many brains.

classicbajabronco - 5-29-2010 at 11:09 AM

i'm not sure on the cost, but in reality it's not that much different than a gfi outlet....and they are only about $10.

Pompano - 5-29-2010 at 11:32 AM

We could have used something like this on salmon drift-netters in Bristol Bay, AK a few years ago.

Ever notice the missing digits on the old-timers hands?

Snip-snip!!

Pays to pay attention!

DENNIS - 5-29-2010 at 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by classicbajabronco
i'm not sure on the cost, but in reality it's not that much different than a gfi outlet....and they are only about $10.

It looks to me like the blade disappears when it gets within sight of fresh meat. A lot more than a GFI socket would do. That is one smart table saw.
Can you imagine the lawsuits that company would have if anything went wrong?

wessongroup - 5-29-2010 at 12:08 PM

Really cool concept and/or application and appears to be sound..... should be as effective as "Riving knife" which helps prevent kickbacks.. My Dad while working as a cabinet maker after WWII had a "kickback".. the pice of wood, hit him squarely in the forehead and almost killed him... he carrier the scar on his forehead for life...

Mexitron - 5-29-2010 at 12:14 PM

Great technology!

classicbajabronco - 5-29-2010 at 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by Pompano
We could have used something like this on salmon drift-netters in Bristol Bay, AK a few years ago.

Ever notice the missing digits on the old-timers hands?

Snip-snip!!

Pays to pay attention!

Bristol bay...Pompano? I worked on Gill netters there for a few years. My family ran boats in Ketchikan for 30 years. Lots of time spent covered in fish slime....it's amazing we still like to fish. My late g-pa fished Ketchikan until he was 79 and continued to sportfish until he could no longer board a boat(hip surgery)

I had a buddy get his middle, ring and little fingers all tore off including the tendons all the way to the elbow..not fun.

Not sure this device would work however as saltwater is conductive. the device would be constantly shut down

DENNIS - 5-29-2010 at 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by wessongroup
Really cool concept and/or application and appears to be sound..... should be as effective as "Riving knife" which helps prevent kickbacks.. My Dad while working as a cabinet maker after WWII had a "kickback".. the pice of wood, hit him squarely in the forehead and almost killed him... he carrier the scar on his forehead for life...

They can be bad. Thing is, they happen instantly. Way back in High School woodshop, this guy had a kick-back and the block of wood missed him, but went clear through the side of a plywood boat project behind him.
I still have sore spots on my gut area from taking a couple from my small saw.

classicbajabronco - 5-29-2010 at 12:46 PM

Dennis,

The blade disappears and then reappears as it looks like the when the safety device kicks in the 1000G's has to go somewhere. It looks to me as the blade and motor assembly is attached to some sort of springs to absorb the 1000G's...which makes the blade drop...in the direction of the spinning blade...and as with every force there is an equal and opposite force...so the spring that asorbs the 1000Gs has to spring back...which it does if you watch carefully...however the blade is now stopped.....

I refered to a gfi, because that is the technology...a gfi detects a conductive item and then the circuit breaks...the case here is when the circuit breaks it triggers the release of safety device( the aluminum metal that stops the blade, and needs to be replaced)

DENNIS - 5-29-2010 at 12:53 PM

Yeah, cbb...it's an amazing piece of equipment. I doubt we'll ever see one at Home Depot.
Maybe the government will give one to everybody so as to cut down on medical expenses. The saw would probably be cheaper than a prosythesis. :spingrin:

classicbajabronco - 5-29-2010 at 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Yeah, cbb...it's an amazing piece of equipment. I doubt we'll ever see one at Home Depot.
Maybe the government will give one to everybody so as to cut down on medical expenses. The saw would probably be cheaper than a prosythesis. :spingrin:

I love it, not only would it help on health care...it'd be another sort of stimulous for businesses....great idea...

DENNIS FOR PRESIDENT!!

:lol:

jbcoug - 5-29-2010 at 02:06 PM

We have this installed on the table saws in the woodshop of the school I teach at. It's comforting that there is another level of safety for students. I don't recall the cost to have it installed, but I know we don't do actual demos on it's stopping ability because it costs about $70 to repace the parts each time it trips.

I can see buying one, but you wouldn't catch me doing the demonstration that dumb SOB did. Nothing is fool proof. I'd like to know how they would have used the footage if that demo had failed.

John

classicbajabronco - 5-29-2010 at 02:18 PM

thanks for that john, so this is now an actual product.

What school district? My step father used to be the super of battleground

Pompano - 5-29-2010 at 02:20 PM

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No doubt about it, bronco..that device is great for what it is intended..but aboard a 32' bowpicker..or sternpicker..bouncing in ROUGH Bristol waters? Probably Not.

Bear with me for this little highjack..I'll be quick.

Alaska. I partnered with some highliners in 5 boats/w/drift permits out of Naknek and Dillingham from late 70's to early 80's. Also flew salmon from Naknek to King Salmon airfield for shipment worldwide. An interesting tidbit about that...during the season this airfield has more landings and take-offs than JFK, O'Hare, and LAX combined. Awesome to land a Supercub next to a 747, turn around and watch the old Stenson wagon coming in on final.

Had a ball, made some money. Best of all..I beat the odds and still have all my fingers.

On the other hand: left eye is not so good, right leg crosshatched with interesting gillnet pattern, cold water phobia persists, addiction to hot buttered rum, swear fluently in Innuit.

Those were some days..and damn fun, too.

The day I flew into Naknek, I pitched this tent at the airfield. The next day a brown and her cub ate it. :yes:

I had forgot to take out the snacks...duh.

Ah, Alaska..maybe worth a separate thread on Non-Baja Vacations..

Now back to the safety saw. I gotta have one!

classicbajabronco - 5-29-2010 at 02:31 PM

is that the cannery in egegik (Sp), sure looks like it.

we were also highliners(#2 in catch year that Bristol) with a group of 9 boats all with radio scramblers..We weren't the most legal of the fleet, but our boats took 4 of the top 10 spots in catches....
however...I don't miss it
.
I do miss Alaska...I guided on the Kenai for a few years...now that I miss...getting paid to fish each and everyday...and I was a very popular man when I bought 50lbs of smoked sockeye and 100lb of King fillets to baja.

My father lived in SE Ak for my childhood and i spent every summer running around with a fishing pole, a huge rambo knife, and a .22 caliber starter pistol. all the locals kids thought i was packing a .357....those were the days. Even wrestled a 50lb king I caught In Dip Net day in ketchikan creek when I was 8.

now back to that fancy saw

jbcoug - 5-29-2010 at 05:27 PM

Bronco,

I work in the Evergreen district which adjoins Battle Ground. We have had this technology installed for 2-3 years now.

I've been around there for 31 years, could I have crossed paths with your step father?

John

vgabndo - 5-29-2010 at 06:29 PM

Sort of like the old myth about space pens. The US spent millions on a pen that would write in space, and the Russians used a pencil. Actually, that never happened. However, a smart Chinese would teach the workers to use the table saw properly and safely and use the resultant savings in high tech dollars to kick our butt in the marketplace. A lot of this "sailor-proof" gimmicry is simply a matter of slashing our own throats on the cutting edge of technology.

Now a laser on my chop saw is a whole other matter!

classicbajabronco - 5-29-2010 at 09:24 PM

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Originally posted by vgabndo
Sort of like the old myth about space pens. The US spent millions on a pen that would write in space, and the Russians used a pencil. Actually, that never happened. However, a smart Chinese would teach the workers to use the table saw properly and safely and use the resultant savings in high tech dollars to kick our butt in the marketplace. A lot of this "sailor-proof" gimmicry is simply a matter of slashing our own throats on the cutting edge of technology.

Now a laser on my chop saw is a whole other matter!

probably doesn't help that we outsource all of our technology to china, because the labor unions have it too expensive to hire labor in the states.. not that I have any problem with a guy making a fair wage...It's just that when the garbage guys in WA state start complaining that $70k is not enough, that I start raising my eyebrowns. :?:

seems more than fair to me....not that gmen and factory workers are they same...but I suspect that us factory workers make quite a bit more than their counterparts in China

[Edited on 5-30-2010 by classicbajabronco]

monoloco - 5-29-2010 at 11:08 PM

The table saw is responsible for many injuries, I lost the end of a finger when a shingle I was ripping kicked back ,and have seen at least a half dozen serious injuries, including a severed thumb and several severed fingers. The SawStop is a great invention that really works and could eliminate thousands of workman's compensation claims every year if widely adopted by the construction industry.

wessongroup - 5-29-2010 at 11:14 PM

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Originally posted by monoloco
The table saw is responsible for many injuries, I lost the end of a finger when a shingle I was ripping kicked back ,and have seen at least a half dozen serious injuries, including a severed thumb and several severed fingers. The SawStop is a great invention that really works and could eliminate thousands of workman's compensation claims every year if widely adopted by the construction industry.

Thanks mono.. working with tools in production is very dangerous and you are absolutely right.. it could save many BILLION'S of dollars in just one year, carried foreword 10 years.. and the saving would only grow... a safe work place is a productive work place ....

classicbajabronco - 5-30-2010 at 08:52 AM

I wonder what would happen if you put your hand in the blade fast rather than extremely slow like the inventor...i believe then we'd be seeing some blood. but it's still a heck of a lot safer than a real table saw.

DENNIS - 5-30-2010 at 09:40 AM

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Originally posted by classicbajabronco
I wonder what would happen if you put your hand in the blade fast rather than extremely slow like the inventor...i believe then we'd be seeing some blood. but it's still a heck of a lot safer than a real table saw.

The thought of a table saw drawing even a little bit of blood makes my stomach turn.
Then, my thoughts go to Router. Ohhh Lorrrd...OUCH.

classicbajabronco - 5-30-2010 at 09:59 AM

Dennis,

I hear you....I could hardly watch the guy stick his hand in the blade the first time around....too many gory videos from way back in Shop class.

And a router....that would scare even the bravest terrorist into spilling his guts...especially if they started with his stomach!

[Edited on 5-30-2010 by classicbajabronco]

vgabndo - 5-30-2010 at 03:07 PM

When was the last time you saw the guard and kick-back protection being used on a commercial table saw? Of all the on-the-job injuries attributed to table saws, how many were the SAWs fault.

My favorite hand wringer story is of a former associate who was cutting finger hold recesses in the side panels of bee hives by dropping the pieced onto a dado blade. Pretty easy to imagine dropping the palm of a hand onto a dado head with 5/8" exposed. The guy was also a chain-smoker which may speak to his instinct for self-preservation! :lol:

A candidate for a Darwin award?

classicbajabronco - 5-30-2010 at 07:52 PM

When I was younger, I was a Tecnical Rep for Blizzard Ski's a few nights before the Big Demo Days at Mount Bachelor, we were race tuning the skiis up before we mounted the bindings on the new boards.

One of the guys was running the skiis thru the stone grinder with was set high at 15k rpm(if I remember right...it's been a few years) and one of the skiis got away from him, shot between myself and the Sales rep who were standing about 3' from each other about 10' away, passed through a sheet rock wall 40' away, and entered the adjacent office where it went through a leather office chair. The ski was traveling tail first....we were very very lucky.

AmoPescar - 5-30-2010 at 11:25 PM

AS SOMEONE WHO HAD A CLOSE CALL WITH A TABLE SAW...

I think this gadget would be worth it's weight in GOLD!!

I still bear the scar and shiver every time I think about how close I came to cutting off my right hand at the wrist. In the end, all that happened was I took off a layer of skin off my wrist. Another 1/2" and it would have been gone. Just a stupid lapse of good sense on my part!!!

Miguelamo :no: