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Home Depot, La Paz

bajajazz - 6-2-2010 at 08:12 AM

In the process of totally rehabbing one house and doing a lot of cosmetic work on another, I have been doing a lot of business with Home Depot in La Paz and initially had a good opinion of their operation, even if their new staff wasn't all that familiar with their inventory.

That changed yesterday when I saw how management there is trying to run that huge store with a skeleton workforce that is totally inadequate to the demands of the business.

At the commercial desk, there was only one person taking care of business.

At the commercial check out register there was no one.

Only two of the regular check out registers were staffed, with huge lines at both and every transaction seeming to take an inordinate length of time, due most likely to the inexperience of the clerks.

When I was finally able to pay for my purchases I found the automatic factura printer was totally out of commission and to get a factura one had to wait at the service desk to be helped by a single, solitary clerk who was overwhelmed with customers waiting to make exhanges and returns, as well as many others like myself needing a factura for tax purposes. I was not willing to stand there for the half-hour it would've taken for the clerk to get around to me so I left without a factura and I'll pay for that later.

Home Depot in La Paz doesn't seem to get it that when you have people on a payroll waiting for building supplies you can't just stand around waiting for their staff to get it together. I understand that in the 'States Home Depot is getting their burros kicked by Lowes, and if what I experienced yesterday is indicative of how it's going to be in the future I expect the same thing to happen here.

chippy - 6-2-2010 at 08:19 AM

Why would Home Depot be different in La Paz than anywhere in the states?:lol:

[Edited on 6-2-2010 by chippy]

[Edited on 6-3-2010 by chippy]

DavidE - 6-2-2010 at 08:26 AM

Lowe's Home Improvement Center in the states is -killing- Home Depot over this very issue. In the states I go to Lowes.

ncampion - 6-2-2010 at 09:42 AM

I actually had the opposite experience a week ago at Home Depot, La Paz. Ordered a bunch of doors, toilets and other home building products for our house under construction in Loreto. Was helped by a very attentive young man who knew what he was doing and was very efficient and helpful. He even offered us a nice "quantity discount". Got an email from him yesterday saying that the items were all received and ready to pick up. Guess it shows that one person's experience is one person's experience

DENNIS - 6-2-2010 at 09:51 AM

Ensenada HD is self-destructing also. The wood department is under-staffed and half the stuff is without prices. Not to far back, I had three beefy employees watch me load a half dozen sheets of heavy plywood onto a cart and never asked to help me.
They sell pneumatic nail guns, but no nails.
Just when you think they have it together, they go back in time to their Pre-Columbian ways.
Very disappointing.

Dave - 6-2-2010 at 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Not to far back, I had three beefy employees watch me load a half dozen sheets of heavy plywood onto a cart and never asked to help me.


They were probably frozen with amazement that anyone would actually buy that crap. :rolleyes:

k-rico - 6-2-2010 at 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by Dave
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Not to far back, I had three beefy employees watch me load a half dozen sheets of heavy plywood onto a cart and never asked to help me.


They were probably frozen with amazement that anyone would actually buy that crap. :rolleyes:


They do sell some LOUSY plywood at Mex Home Depots. You can count on it delaminating.

Where's the glue???

The luan/caoba for finish work is nice stuff tho. Are those two names for the same thing or is it different wood?

DENNIS - 6-2-2010 at 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico
The luan/caoba for finish work is nice stuff tho. Are those two names for the same thing or is it different wood?


Caoba translates to Mahogany and Luan is a type. Some say it's not a true Mahogany, but who cares. I don't build violins.

Down here, a substitute for Luan is Okoume. A junk grade African wood at that, but it cleans up about as well as Luan and resembles it a bit. Good Okoume is expensive, but you wont have to deal with that here.

http://tinyurl.com/77yhg




[Edited on 6-2-2010 by DENNIS]

Lauriboats - 6-2-2010 at 12:34 PM

I was in Home Depot in La Paz about a month ago and almost every department had someone there asking me if I needed help, maybe it was the time of day.

JESSE - 6-2-2010 at 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by bajajazz
In the process of totally rehabbing one house and doing a lot of cosmetic work on another, I have been doing a lot of business with Home Depot in La Paz and initially had a good opinion of their operation, even if their new staff wasn't all that familiar with their inventory.

That changed yesterday when I saw how management there is trying to run that huge store with a skeleton workforce that is totally inadequate to the demands of the business.

At the commercial desk, there was only one person taking care of business.

At the commercial check out register there was no one.

Only two of the regular check out registers were staffed, with huge lines at both and every transaction seeming to take an inordinate length of time, due most likely to the inexperience of the clerks.

When I was finally able to pay for my purchases I found the automatic factura printer was totally out of commission and to get a factura one had to wait at the service desk to be helped by a single, solitary clerk who was overwhelmed with customers waiting to make exhanges and returns, as well as many others like myself needing a factura for tax purposes. I was not willing to stand there for the half-hour it would've taken for the clerk to get around to me so I left without a factura and I'll pay for that later.

Home Depot in La Paz doesn't seem to get it that when you have people on a payroll waiting for building supplies you can't just stand around waiting for their staff to get it together. I understand that in the 'States Home Depot is getting their burros kicked by Lowes, and if what I experienced yesterday is indicative of how it's going to be in the future I expect the same thing to happen here.


In La Paz, theres a serious problem at finding decent workers for any business. Thus the reason why it is extremely tough to do business in town. Its not about not wanting to spend more money for workers, its that there isnt any that are good.

Try to be more understanding of the situation, this is perhaps the most difficult town i have ever done business in as far as workers are concerned. Paceņos expect good money, light and easy work, no pressure, all the benefits, and are quick to sue for nothing. The result is that most companies do not hire locals, so we are in short demand and it makes things very difficult.

Sometimes i get angry at some customers that are from out of town because they want top service, but are not willing to pay for it, because they think that since this is Mexico, things have to be cheaper. Wrong! Expenses down here are actually higher than in Cabo and or Tijuana for example, and the labor issue is a big problem.

Things will get better as the influx of foreigners (mexicans and americans) gets bigger, but for now, just understand that La Paz has been the graveyard of many top companies, its not easy down here.

DENNIS - 6-2-2010 at 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
and are quick to sue for nothing.



I've often wondered...are there no penaltys for Frivolous Lawsuits?

http://www.the-injury-lawyer-directory.com/ridiculous_lawsui...

[Edited on 6-2-2010 by DENNIS]

Dave - 6-2-2010 at 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by JESSE
and are quick to sue for nothing.



I've often wondered...are there no penaltys for Frivolous Lawsuits?


Only for the employer.

DENNIS - 6-2-2010 at 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

Only for the employer.



Man....this place is lawyer heaven.

k-rico - 6-2-2010 at 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by k-rico
The luan/caoba for finish work is nice stuff tho. Are those two names for the same thing or is it different wood?


Caoba translates to Mahogany and Luan is a type. Some say it's not a true Mahogany, but who cares. I don't build violins.

Down here, a substitute for Luan is Okoume. A junk grade African wood at that, but it cleans up about as well as Luan and resembles it a bit. Good Okoume is expensive, but you wont have to deal with that here.

http://tinyurl.com/77yhg

[Edited on 6-2-2010 by DENNIS]


Thanks, I've built two kit boats (Glen-L kits) and both used Philippine mahogany (luan) for the frames, chine logs, sheer clamps, and lift strakes. I was told it's actually a type of cedar. Nice wood, straight grain, no knots, takes fasteners well, bendable, and easily worked.

http://www.glen-l.com/ - boat plans and kits, makes for a great hobby.

DENNIS - 6-2-2010 at 01:44 PM

Here's a nifty site for IDing wood:

http://www.woodfinder.com/woods/woodindex.php

Bob and Susan - 6-2-2010 at 02:06 PM

i was just in home depot in calif
no assistance...i left

lowes...just as bad
i learned the trick in lowes
you just push a service button in the asiles and
the help comes over...there's rule :tumble::tumble:
they may not know anything but
at least they are there

i went to home depot in ensenada on sunday
the guy in the parking lot washed my truck
the girl in the garden dept assisted me
the guy in the light dept assited
the girl at the counter checkout was GREAT!!!
the guard assisted me with the factura machine

that place was fine...

what's with that "casino" next door?
anyone know?

DENNIS - 6-2-2010 at 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by Bob and Susan
what's with that "casino" next door?
anyone know?


Under construction. It's owned by LF, Hank Rhon or his wife...something like that.
There's a smaller one in the Home Depot shopping center.
I guess gambling is here, kinda like Mordida. A little bite here..a little bite there. Once they,ve infected the whole country, they'll start making a lot of noise.

monoloco - 6-2-2010 at 02:26 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico
Quote:
Originally posted by Dave
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Not to far back, I had three beefy employees watch me load a half dozen sheets of heavy plywood onto a cart and never asked to help me.


They were probably frozen with amazement that anyone would actually buy that crap. :rolleyes:


They do sell some LOUSY plywood at Mex Home Depots. You can count on it delaminating.

Where's the glue???

The luan/caoba for finish work is nice stuff tho. Are those two names for the same thing or is it different wood?
Lauan describes several species of shorea which is also sometimes called Philippine mahogany or merante, and is from Asia. Caoba is mahogany which is swetenia and is native to central and south America and the Caribbean and is much superior to shorea.

irenemm - 6-2-2010 at 02:28 PM

For a Country that is starting to rise up, The Casinos will be it's downfall.
just my though. Sorry to see them coming.

MitchMan - 6-2-2010 at 06:10 PM

Was in Home Depot in La Paz today. Everyone was helpful and there was alot of help inside the store. However, there was guy in the construction area who was very rude for no reason. I notice that sometimes there are those who are predispositioned with a massive chip on there shoulder for no apparent reason. He was one of those. If I had ever encountered an attitude like that in an Orange County, CA Home Depot, he would be in big trouble and would probably lose his job. Not in Baja though!

There is a barrel-type barbecue I have had my eye on in Home Depot. It costs $2,500 pesos in HD in La Paz and $130 USD plus sales tax in OC. A Black and Decker 7.2 amp weed whacker in La Paz is $1,505 in La Paz HD and $69 plus tax in OC. Now if the prices would be as low as in the USA...

Bajatripper - 6-6-2010 at 08:53 AM

I've had both excellent service and been on the receiving end of a GAF attitude of employees at the HD in La Paz. It just depends on the luck of the draw on any given day you visit there. But overall, I have found that supervision is the key missing ingredient at many stores in Mexico. I am always made aware of this on crossing the border back into the U.S., where employees obviously know that such slacker attitudes aren't tolerated. My Mexican wife, who has made a few visits with me to the U.S., concurs with this opinion. She notices right away the difference in speed that one is attended by cashiers at U.S. stores.

Jesse makes a valid point about work attitudes of the local people in La Paz, an observation that is seconded by such local luminaries as Francisco Aramburo in his book about Sudcalifornianos.

Another aspect to consider of the HD in La Paz are prices. I recently bought a stove hood for 1,800 pesos at the Ferry appliance store at 16 de Septiembre and Revolucion, the exact same item found at HD for 1,000 pesos more. I have found other such discrepancies on other products that are available elsewhere in town. So don't assume that, just because they are a multinational corporation, they will automatically have the best deals.

Steve

DENNIS - 6-6-2010 at 09:07 AM

Good points, Steve. I find that when any business ventures south of the border, consistancy is what suffers. One day, good...the next, bad. That's with service and inventory.
I'm not so sure the Mexican clientele really know what "bad service" is from a relative point of view since that's been the norm forever. It leaves them less frustrated, I'm sure.

Bajahowodd - 6-6-2010 at 01:49 PM

I got a kick out of this. Here's a quote from a two-year old interview of the Home Depot CEO by the Atlanta Journal Constitution-

" We're not doing or contemplating anything in Europe. Mexico has been just a phenomenal success for us. When we started in Mexico, [we thought] 'Gee if we had 50 stores in Mexico by 2012, hubba-hubba.' We've got close to 70 there now and are still growing. We're learning a lot. We're now at the point of taking things we're learning in Mexico and applying them here in the United States. Products that work well in our Mexican stores we're selling here, like the cleaning stuff, Fabuloso."

cpteich - 6-9-2010 at 05:32 PM

I have spent a ton of cash in the La Paz HD in the past 4 months. All I have to say is the employees have no idea what they have in stock or not in stock. Heaven forbid you ever have to return anything. I bought always 2 or 3 extra items just in case I needed a few more or I didn't calculate the right amount of screws, bolts, locks etc.... I kept my receipts on all my transactions. The first time I tried to return a gallon of extra paint, a few rollers and 3 paint brushes, I was waiting for 45 minutes before the transaction (store credit) was given to me. So I got smart and would have my wife shop as I returned items. On average, It took me 4 mins to an hour to return my items. NO ONE WAS IN FRONT OF ME .... The security guard had to do his nonsense checking the item back into his security 3 ringed note book. It ususally took him and his partner 10-15 minutes to find the items on the receipt. Then the returns lady was running around, trying to complete the transaction. Typically the printer was out of ink or paper which added a few extra minutes to the routine. I will say it is alittle frustrating but much better than driving all the way to SJDC. Needless to say, after a few nightmare returns, I have a tone of extra tools, door locks, pad locks, screws, nuts and bolts, silicone, paint etc etc at my house that will not be returned due to the inconvience of returning them...... I'll return them manana!

Hook - 6-10-2010 at 10:06 AM

The help are not too bad in the Hermosillo HD. My big complaint is how bad they are at restocking the store, especially the irrigation area. Constantly out of things and I dont mean they are on the racks above.

I guess this is Just In Time inventory management meets manana mentality.

I ALWAYS preferred Lowe's in the States.

Over here, we have a chain called Ferreteria Industrial that kicks HD's burro, price-wise. Are they over there in Baja?

oladulce - 6-10-2010 at 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by cpteich
.. Needless to say, after a few nightmare returns, I have a tone of extra tools, door locks, pad locks, screws, nuts and bolts, silicone, paint etc etc at my house that will not be returned due to the inconvience of returning them...... I'll return them manana!


CPteich - Hang on to that stuff- we'll buy some from you !

BigWooo & oladulce

cpteich - 6-11-2010 at 08:40 PM

Anything you need there buddy I probably have it. We will be down Sun thru Thurs. If you need to come down, swing by!

longlegsinlapaz - 6-11-2010 at 09:23 PM

I can hear it now....this thread is either going to head off into "Traveling Salesman" or "Tinker" stories!;) Me thinks you guys are lucky to have cp for a neighbor....they share!:biggrin: :O Unless of course they tack on "carrying charges"!:lol:

BigWooo - 6-12-2010 at 07:16 AM

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Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
I can hear it now....this thread is either going to head off into "Traveling Salesman" or "Tinker" stories!;) Me thinks you guys are lucky to have cp for a neighbor....they share!:biggrin: :O Unless of course they tack on "carrying charges"!:lol:


Actually they're YOUR neighbors. Hmmmm.....since you're on the way to their place, maybe we could convert that spare bedroom of yours into a mini storage bodega :bounce:

longlegsinlapaz - 6-12-2010 at 10:22 AM

And become known for doing "business" out of my spare bedroom, I think not??:O:rolleyes::no::saint:

I would however, consider offering a cubeta worth of space in the garage, something along the lines of "Ye Olde Trading Post"....or a "Safe Drop"!!:yes::lol:

fixtrauma - 6-12-2010 at 04:18 PM

That was funny Longlegs!

I was in La Paz HD today. My homing device wasn't working clearly and had to ask for help locating something. Got friendly help right away and only one ahead of me in the check out. Factura was functioning.

The lady at checkout crossed herself though just before it was my turn........not sure what that was about!!!:?::?::?:

Bajahowodd - 6-12-2010 at 04:30 PM

Maybe look in the mirror?:lol::lol::lol::lol:

fixtrauma - 6-12-2010 at 04:34 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Maybe look in the mirror?:lol::lol::lol::lol:



:lol::lol::lol::lol:

That's exactly what I did!!!

:lol::lol::lol:

Bajahowodd - 6-12-2010 at 04:37 PM

Question is, whether you saw your reflection. That's might be what spooked the clerk.:lol::lol::lol:

longlegsinlapaz - 6-12-2010 at 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by fixtrauma

The lady at checkout crossed herself though just before it was my turn........not sure what that was about!!!:?::?::?:

:lol::lol: She probably muttered a prayer under her breath, OMG, please not another gringo Baja Nomad who's been posting complaints about our store!! :lol::lol:

fixtrauma - 6-13-2010 at 08:29 AM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Question is, whether you saw your reflection. That's might be what spooked the clerk.:lol::lol::lol:


I know it was my reflection because that sends me into crossing myself and that very clearly started a chain reaction!

:lol::lol::lol::lol: