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Is my Jeep Safe in Baja?

serwin - 6-3-2010 at 08:50 AM

I am planning on visiting and camping on the Pacific side if northern Baja in July for a week or more. I have a lifted black Jeep that looks pretty good that I was planning on driving down. Many in the Jeep community have warned me that the Jeeps are a hot commodity in the Baja area and have warned me not to take it. I have been told that I can/could be pulled over and be left on the side of the road with my Jeep being taken by locals.

I could bring another vehicle I guess but the Jeep is a way of life for me and it's these kind of trips I have it for.

Any feed back from this group would be appreciated.

Scott :?:

MitchMan - 6-3-2010 at 09:01 AM

I hope this isn't adding to paranoia, but I just bought a 1998 Toyota Tacoma, 4 cyl, 4x reg cab and my boat mechanic just told met that Toyotas were a hot theft commodity. He said that he reads in the paper about Toyota trucks being more frequently stolen than other vehicles because of the particular ease of starting a Toyota with a key from another Toyota.

I don't know if the above is true or not, but I am considering getting a club type device and I will keep a closer eye on my truck in any event.

He said that there is an electronic device available that will kill the engine of a stolen vehicle within 20 seconds of being stolen if the robber isn't aware of a secretly placed button to push in order to by-pass the induced electronic stoppage.

[Edited on 6-3-2010 by MitchMan]

Proceed with caution

Lee - 6-3-2010 at 09:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by serwin
I have been told that I can/could be pulled over and be left on the side of the road with my Jeep being taken by locals.:


Don't leave your jeep unattended, if you can help it. If there are people around, hire someone to watch it.

2 kill switches so it can't be started and driven off. It could still be towed in the bigger cities.

Take it to Baja and expect it to be broken in literally and figuratively.

Think Ford's and Toy's are the top brands stolen.

Unless locals have machetes and pitchforks, don't give your jeep over to Mexicans.

Have fun.

rts551 - 6-3-2010 at 09:29 AM

How do you protect your vehicle in the States? Use common sense and you should be fine.

serwin - 6-3-2010 at 09:36 AM

Hmmm, Ok

I am bummed out but now to pick which other vehicle,

2003 Ford 350 diesel truck (do the Pemex stations have Diesel fuel?)

2005 Honda mini van (my wifes Taxi for the kids)

I have an alarm system that will prevent the Jeep from being started before its disabled and a club device for the steering wheel but I really want to enjoy this trip instead of being paranoid about crime.

sd - 6-3-2010 at 09:39 AM

I have made several trips in a new near Jeep and have had no problems. Found everyone to be great.

Go have fun, with the Jeep!

David K - 6-3-2010 at 10:12 AM

Your Jeep has greater odds of being stolen in front of your home than the Pacific Coast of central Baja... or almost anywhere in Baja outside of cities!

DENNIS - 6-3-2010 at 10:37 AM

I have a "New" Jeep. I also have a garage and a chitload of insurance. I wouldn't park and leave it in Ensenada. GTA is epidemic in there.
Go up to the top of the page and contact Bajabound Insurance. Geoff is the owner and he would love to buy a new Jeep for you.

gnukid - 6-3-2010 at 10:54 AM

A kill switch and a chain lock around the axel and tire rim will discourage theft.

Mike99km - 6-3-2010 at 03:06 PM

All these folks telling you not to go, how often do they go? Do they know or have they heard? There are a lot of folks that seem to know a lot that haven't been down in quite a while. Dennis lives there he might know better then most on this board. Most the people on this board love Baja but don't spend a lot of time there. If you want to go then go. Keep an eye out and don't put a target on your back, you'll be fine.

Alan - 6-3-2010 at 03:14 PM

Just returned from towing my Jeep down to leave in La Paz. By all means take it. I know exactly what you mean when you say that is what you want to drive down there. Like they say "It's a Jeep thing" :lol:

DENNIS - 6-3-2010 at 03:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mike99km
Dennis lives there he might know better then most on this board.




Thanks, Mike. I appreciate that.

DENNIS - 6-3-2010 at 04:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mike99km
If you want to go then go. Keep an eye out and don't put a target on your back, you'll be fine.


So well said.

Bajahowodd - 6-3-2010 at 04:13 PM

I'm seeing three very good pieces of advice, that when heeded, should allow for you to take your Jeep and not feel stressed. First, a little bit of extra security by way of a kill switch. Second, just don't leave it unattended if can. Third, as Dennis mentioned, make certain you have the necessary insurance. As much of a hassle as it might seem, should you get ripped-off, ultimately a good insurance policy will soothe you. That said, it is very unlikely that you will encounter a problem, anyway. Seems like it's fashionable to promote stories about the bad things that happen in Mexico. As one poster put it, you'll likely not be at any greater risk that being at home.

bajario - 6-3-2010 at 04:35 PM

Not a jeep but I drove a brand new Dodge quad cab 2500 down to Loreto w/ no problems except a major hangover for the ride home.

rts551 - 6-3-2010 at 05:06 PM

If you are worried about it then you should not go at all (regardless of the vehicle). Contrary to some northern opinions, most Mexicans are not looking at you with envy and waiting for you around the next corner.

DENNIS - 6-3-2010 at 06:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rts551
If you are worried about it then you should not go at all (regardless of the vehicle).



We all have to be concerned, rts. When you park your vehicle in a snake pit, your biggest concern shouldn't be the condition of your oil.

We all have to be vigilant.......smart too.

k-rico - 6-3-2010 at 06:13 PM

Yeah but the poster said:

"I have been told that I can/could be pulled over and be left on the side of the road with my Jeep being taken by locals."

25 years driving all over Baja and 4 years living in Tijuana and I've never heard of this happening. Has anybody?

Vehicles do get stolen tho, always park in a secure spot.

rts551 - 6-3-2010 at 06:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by rts551
If you are worried about it then you should not go at all (regardless of the vehicle).



We all have to be concerned, rts. When you park your vehicle in a snake pit, your biggest concern shouldn't be the condition of your oil.

We all have to be vigilant.......smart too.


I don't park in the snake pit... and from his post, I don't think he was either. My point was, if there is that much worry, why waste your vacation and time. It will not be worth it. Correct?

DENNIS - 6-3-2010 at 07:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rts551
I don't park in the snake pit... and from his post, I don't think he was either. My point was, if there is that much worry, why waste your vacation and time. It will not be worth it. Correct?



Correct. If what you have done is ALL you can do to protect yourself and you're still unsure that it's adaquate, you have a problem.
One has to listen to one's ownself. My ownself tells me to never put myself in a position which I can't control.

Till now, it's worked for me.

serwin - 6-3-2010 at 07:42 PM

Wow,
Thanks guys. I will take the Jeep for sure. I'm not a meek person, it's just that you hear so many bad things. I haven't been for 15 years and I now live in Central California.

Good advise from all and I have picked up some good tips here. One thing tho,

The Insurance company listed above (I don't want to mention names because they were real nice) would not insure me. Not like my Jeep is that valuable (6-7k or so) but a little bit to much risk for them. I will be trying a few more over the next week.

I will plan on not making a target out of myself and keep my alarm and kill switchs in order. I am planning on staying south of La Bufadora.

I am so looking forward to some great tacos.

Cheers. It's just a jeep thing!

slimshady - 6-3-2010 at 09:48 PM

I installed a GPS in my landcruisr which I leave in Baja. It is from live view gps and enables you to locate your stolen car and can diable the starter from your computer. You can set up a perimeter around your car and should anyone drive off with it, you can recieve a text.

You can log on and see your vehicle on a ggogle type map. Its about 24 dollars a month and the bad guys have no idea its there.

Hook - 6-4-2010 at 05:28 AM

Thefts of F-250s and F-350s (4x4) is epidemic in northern Sonora and northern Baja. One fisherman who I correspond with told me his F350 got stolen while parked right next to the 24 hour security guard shack at a major hotel in Puerto Penasco. That same night, 3 other Ford diesels were stolen in PP. This was about a month ago.

We have had them stolen here in sleepy San Carlos, where crime is almost non-existent outside of petty theft, of course.

Apparently the 99-06 models, with their plastic encased steering columns, are very easy to hotwire. A SlimJim to get in, breaking the plastic away to expose wiring and it can literally be gone in less than 5 minutes. Ford finally acknowledged this and have beefed up the steering columns in the newer Super Dutys.

The vehicles are favored by criminal interests for their ability to carry human or drugs across the border in remote areas where there is no fencing.

I use a pedal restraint and another electronic disabling that I wont reveal here but is very simple. So far, so good. My life would be hell if I lost my diesel truck.

Slimslady, I am sure that method can be very effective in the States but how much will it cost you to get a Mexican police force to retrieve it for you?

MitchMan - 6-4-2010 at 01:05 PM

Is a good club type device on the steering wheel an effective deterrent to theft?

bajaguy - 6-4-2010 at 01:12 PM

Mitch.....it's a start, but I have seen them cut the steering wheel and slide the club off.

I would use a device that locks the steering wheel to the brake pedal, an alarm with a starter kill and a covert fuel pump shut off switch..........can't be too careful.................oh, and a BIG, MEAN,,UGLY dog in the vehicle

Cypress - 6-4-2010 at 01:21 PM

They can also slaughter you, your whole family and drive away in your vehicle. Plus, they could make you a slave. And ....

DENNIS - 6-4-2010 at 01:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
oh, and a BIG, MEAN,,UGLY dog in the vehicle



Oh, yeah....you mean like yours?? :lol::lol:

gnukid - 6-4-2010 at 02:15 PM

Wessongroup and I were discussing the setup which I relate here (correct me if you see an error).

My security setup:

Most ignition switches have two power wires to the coil. One is for power on known as the acc on. The second ignition wire sends ignition on to the other coil terminal when the key is turned all the way on which turns the starter over with spark to the plugs.

By putting a switch in the ignition start on wire, you can confuse the would be thief because the power seems on the car turns over but there is no spark, the attempt to start will kill the battery in a matter of 2 minutes of less as the power is eaten up by the starter turning the motor over without spark. The thief will breakin, turn over the motor and kill the battery and flee, one would hope.

If alternatively you cut all power, the thief will acknowledge this and understand they need to go direct from the battery to hot wire the car while battery exists.

The other simple thing is to carry a long chain and just chain your car to something, this will send a message that you are an inconvenient target and they will move one. Another tactic would include chaining the hood shut.

A good solution I like is to sleep in the car and or leave your dog in the car.

Cypress - 6-4-2010 at 02:34 PM

They could put you in chains, drive away in your vehicle and laugh at you. They could cut your toes off one by one.:O In reality? There's a lot of good, helpful folks down there in Baja.

Bajahowodd - 6-4-2010 at 04:15 PM

I like it. Wrap yourself in chains and sleep in your Jeep! :lol::lol::lol:

And have a wonderful time. Geez. Sometimes there's just too much well intentioned help.

bajafam - 6-4-2010 at 10:00 PM

Our main deterrents are our mutts. They sleep in the back and are quite scary when they get to barking at someone they don't know.

That being said, we've never had a problem with our vehicles, but we are at least as careful in Baja as we are here (though actually probably less). We don't hesitate to give the security guard some extra pesos to keep an eye on our stuff, and we always try to keep it parked in more "secure" locations, mainly because we usually also have a trailer full of stuff. Our vehicles are by no means new, but they are popular in Baja. Bottom line, don't worry so much...it gives off a bad vibe and could be your worst enemy ~ self-fulling prophecy and all that.

Go, eat, have fun.

capt. mike - 6-5-2010 at 05:59 AM

i've never met a mean dog i couldn't befriend with beef jerky or a slim jim...

Santiago - 6-5-2010 at 06:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
........oh, and a BIG, MEAN,,UGLY dog in the vehicle

I'm gonna tell Captain what you think of her (him?).

OK, OK........

bajaguy - 6-5-2010 at 07:01 AM

When I posted that comment about a BIG, UGLY, MEAN dog, I was specifically NOT referring to my two Yellow Labrador Retrivers...............and the Captain is a guy!!!

Captain on the left, Libbie on the right.



[Edited on 6-5-2010 by bajaguy]

Captain & Libbie (450 x 600).jpg - 44kB

bajafam - 6-5-2010 at 08:20 AM

capt. mike ~ yes, they'll eat your slim jim...as an appetizer :)

castaway$ - 6-5-2010 at 11:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
Thefts of F-250s and F-350s (4x4) is epidemic in northern Sonora and northern Baja. One fisherman who I correspond with told me his F350 got stolen while parked right next to the 24 hour security guard shack at a major hotel in Puerto Penasco. That same night, 3 other Ford diesels were stolen in PP. This was about a month ago.

We have had them stolen here in sleepy San Carlos, where crime is almost non-existent outside of petty theft, of course.

Apparently the 99-06 models, with their plastic encased steering columns, are very easy to hotwire. A SlimJim to get in, breaking the plastic away to expose wiring and it can literally be gone in less than 5 minutes. Ford finally acknowledged this and have beefed up the steering columns in the newer Super Dutys.

The vehicles are favored by criminal interests for their ability to carry human or drugs across the border in remote areas where there is no fencing.

I use a pedal restraint and another electronic disabling that I wont reveal here but is very simple. So far, so good. My life would be hell if I lost my diesel truck.

Slimslady, I am sure that method can be very effective in the States but how much will it cost you to get a Mexican police force to retrieve it for you?
I never really see the general mexican population driving diesel trucks, we had problems last winter and needed a diesel mechanic so we went to the dealership in La Paz and they told us that the diesels were only used for commercial purposes and that citizens weren't allowed to own them for personal use, is that true?

DENNIS - 6-5-2010 at 11:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by castaway$
I never really see the general mexican population driving diesel trucks, we had problems last winter and needed a diesel mechanic so we went to the dealership in La Paz and they told us that the diesels were only used for commercial purposes and that citizens weren't allowed to own them for personal use, is that true?


That's the way it used to be, but I think it's changed. I see quite a few diesel trucks here, mostly newer, with Mex plates. You're right. It doesn't seem to be the average working stiff who drives them.

If the law hasn't changed, then it's just one of those "Money Talks" type of things.

wessongroup - 6-5-2010 at 01:17 PM

Say hi to Bob




[Edited on 6-5-2010 by wessongroup]

rpleger - 6-5-2010 at 01:28 PM

Hi Bob!!!

Bajatripper - 6-21-2010 at 05:37 PM

Quote:
He said that he reads in the paper about Toyota trucks being more frequently stolen than other vehicles because of the particular ease of starting a Toyota with a key from another Toyota.


Back when I had a Pathfinder, that is the exact same thing a few of my Mexican friends told me. I thought I had escaped that curse, now that I drive a Toyota. Did you have to tell me?

LancairDriver - 6-21-2010 at 06:07 PM

Want Security? Hire me.

GAGE THE ANIMAL.jpg - 39kB

Marc - 6-21-2010 at 06:54 PM

I drive an '07 Tundra 4X4 big engine and have been all over Baja three times and on the mainland to Los Moches once and Copper Canyon two trips. The truck has always been close by. I have paid for it being watched in certain places. So far no problemo. Just lucky I guess. In 19 years not even a ticket. BUT my next purchase is The Club, No sense in pushing my luck. My LoJack does not function south of the border.:biggrin:

Ken Cooke - 6-21-2010 at 10:54 PM

Jeeps are hot property both in USA and Mexico. Just make sure you don't leave your vehicle - stay with it at all times, or have a super-secure parking method. When you go into a Grocery store, have a friend or family member "Watch the horses".

If someone yells at you, "I want to steal your Jeep!" you better believe they will try it when you aren't watching. I've had this happen, and it just made me more vigilant, but not to the point of cancelling my Baja Jeeping.

Tecate Rockcrawling


My Rubicon catching some air in Tecate


My Jeep has two barriers of protection, but it can still be towed and stripped. It is worth about $12K, but you would think it was worth quadruple that since the parts on a Rubicon can fetch some good money on the black market.

My Rubicon


All Rubicons traveled in and out of Mexico via Tecate POE and there was 0% theft:!:
Here's the proof: http://www.justruns.com/gallery2/v/Run+Photos/072807/

eetdrt88 - 6-21-2010 at 11:38 PM

is my yugo safe in baja???

tn_423x423_yugo.jpg - 44kB

Marc - 6-22-2010 at 05:58 AM

are YOU safe in your yugo in baja???:biggrin:

The best part of traveling in a group is, the threat of theft diminishes

Ken Cooke - 6-22-2010 at 07:00 AM

Jam-packed on Hwy 1
[img]http://www.justruns.com/gallery2/d/6057-4/002+Baja.JPG[/img]

Catavina looks like this behind the row of Jeeps:bounce:
[img]http://www.justruns.com/gallery2/d/6063-3/005+Baja.JPG[/img]

"Who wants to tackle the (Mission Impossible) bog first?:lol:
[img]http://www.justruns.com/gallery2/d/6093-2/020+Baja.JPG[/img]

No breakdowns, just a pesky BFG AT/KO blowout (in LA Bay)
[img]http://www.justruns.com/gallery2/d/6101-2/024+Baja.JPG[/img]

Coco's Jeep Corral:bounce:
[img]http://www.justruns.com/gallery2/d/6113-2/030+Baja.JPG[/img]

El Huerfanito ADOPTED by Jeeps!:bounce::lol::tumble:
[img]http://www.justruns.com/gallery2/d/6126-2/037+Baja.JPG[/img]

rob - 6-22-2010 at 07:42 AM

Castaway and other F-XXX diesel drivers in La Paz - slightly off-topic, but if you have problems, don't fiddle around with the local Ford place - go to the Caracol Dairy workshops (on the road to TS in the industrial center) - they run 80 F450 diesels, and are just a pleasure to deal with.

GrOUper-GAr - 6-22-2010 at 10:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by serwin
I haven't been for 15 years and I now live in Central California.

Quote:
Originally posted by serwin

Any feed back from this group would be appreciated.

Scott :?:


GO, have fun.
Me, i've never had anything stolen throughout 'the Baja' (well, 1 small tackle box in Los Barriles '05) as compared to: stereo's, wetsuit, surfboard, bikes, skateboard, outboard, CAR, etc, ripped In San Diego...
But, then again, I'm a Low-RoLLer. (ugly '97 Ranger)

15 yr UpDaTE:
meth is in remote Baja now ... watch for dudes w/ that TWeEK in the eye.
(if you've been in SoCaL the last 30 years, you know what that looks like... Think: Pirate, without a ship)

eetdrt88 - 6-22-2010 at 11:05 AM

dude...pirate without a ship....omg..too f'in funny:lol::lol:actually a pretty good description of a tweeker

Vehicle tracker

bajaguy - 6-24-2010 at 07:41 PM

This looks interesting:

http://trackerguardian.com/index.html

paul r - 6-24-2010 at 07:48 PM

... with you in it!!???.... hell no!!!!...

serwin - 6-25-2010 at 08:29 AM

Hey Ken Cooke,
Cool runnings in those Jeeps. Thanks for the advise and yes, I will plan on someone staying with the Jeep at all time. I will be traveling with my brave Girl Friend but with no other vehicles. My Baja trip has been postponed until the end of August due to a business trip to Italy (TuscanyNomad for 10 days).

"Pirate without a ship" lolololol. Yes, I know the look.

Bajafun777 - 6-26-2010 at 01:44 AM

I use a kill switch that is pretty hard to find, soft top so do not keep anything in it to be stolen, and I always make a point of giving a tip to whom ever is watching the parking lots I park in. Lucky so far as Jeep always been there when I get back. Now, I did hear a rumor if you have old election yard signs from politicians that did not win in your vehicles the locals will steal these in a blink of the eye!!!:lol: "No Hurry, No Worry, Just Fun" bajafun777

fishabductor - 6-26-2010 at 11:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by castaway$
Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
Thefts of F-250s and F-350s (4x4) is epidemic in northern Sonora and northern Baja. One fisherman who I correspond with told me his F350 got stolen while parked right next to the 24 hour security guard shack at a major hotel in Puerto Penasco. That same night, 3 other Ford diesels were stolen in PP. This was about a month ago.

We have had them stolen here in sleepy San Carlos, where crime is almost non-existent outside of petty theft, of course.

Apparently the 99-06 models, with their plastic encased steering columns, are very easy to hotwire. A SlimJim to get in, breaking the plastic away to expose wiring and it can literally be gone in less than 5 minutes. Ford finally acknowledged this and have beefed up the steering columns in the newer Super Dutys.

The vehicles are favored by criminal interests for their ability to carry human or drugs across the border in remote areas where there is no fencing.

I use a pedal restraint and another electronic disabling that I wont reveal here but is very simple. So far, so good. My life would be hell if I lost my diesel truck.

Slimslady, I am sure that method can be very effective in the States but how much will it cost you to get a Mexican police force to retrieve it for you?
I never really see the general mexican population driving diesel trucks, we had problems last winter and needed a diesel mechanic so we went to the dealership in La Paz and they told us that the diesels were only used for commercial purposes and that citizens weren't allowed to own them for personal use, is that true?


You cannot import a diesel from the states, but you can buy a new diesel from a dealership...That is the law. I just traded my 97 diesel for property and the guy had to go with a onapfa sticker to license it...he can't get plates.

Cypress - 6-26-2010 at 01:35 PM

No! Your jeep isn't safe in Baja, neither or you. It's a hell hole, you'll be kidnapped and held for ransom. They'll tie you to a stake and stack wood around it. They'll...,,,,:lol:

Marc - 6-26-2010 at 05:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajatripper
Quote:
He said that he reads in the paper about Toyota trucks being more frequently stolen than other vehicles because of the particular ease of starting a Toyota with a key from another Toyota.


Back when I had a Pathfinder, that is the exact same thing a few of my Mexican friends told me. I thought I had escaped that curse, now that I drive a Toyota. Did you have to tell me?


My mechanic says Toys '07 and after have a chip in the key that ca't be duplicated.