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cutexianchick - 6-27-2010 at 08:14 AM

my husband, 3 yr old daughter and I are planning a vacation to Cabo. Booking through Costco travel at Villa del palmar. We would like to stop at some places along the way that would be enjoyable. I am not sure if its best to stop and site see going down or coming back (the excitment of cabo for the first time). I would love all your input on where to go and what to see. I am not a camper, but would like to stop and stay at Ignacio springs B&B??? What do you think? I am lost on the interenet, so much information that I am totally confused. Im a bit late for whales??? Okay bring of the tips on...! thanks

woody with a view - 6-27-2010 at 08:18 AM

B&B at ignacio is really cool. do it. 11 hours straight from the border. get a room in loreto the next day. cabo on day 3.

bajafam - 6-27-2010 at 08:26 AM

Um, how much time do you have?

There are countless places to stop along the way, it's just a matter of what you are interested in. Yes, it's too late for whales...they are there in the late winter. I've heard great things about Ignacio Springs but have yet to stay there. We have an affinity for San Quintin, but for most it's just a place to pass through. I'm sure you will get some tips on where to stay, what to see. We usually just play it by ear

David K - 6-27-2010 at 08:32 AM

Agree with Woody on both San Ignacio and Loreto as being places to check out... both are tropical and the location of large stone missions. Loreto was California's first mission (1697) and San Ignacio was the northern outpost mission for many years, founded in 1728.

Ignacio Springs is pretty neat, do see our photos of last summer's trip to Baja Sur (incl. San Ignacio, Bahia Concepcion and Loreto)... http://vivabaja.com/709

If it is this summer you are going, keep in mind there is tropical humidity and it is hurricane season... there will be bugs in places.

San Ignacio 'River' from Ignacio Springs

We can't say enough good things about Bob and Susan's Playa Frambes Lighthouse Resort! (on Bahia Concepcion)

El Coyote, Bahia Concepcion

The Coco Cabañas motel, Loreto

[Edited on 6-27-2010 by David K]

cutexianchick - 6-27-2010 at 08:47 AM

thank you for the info... yes we are going in 2 weeks. BUGS? what kind of bugs? Can you tell Im not use to ruffing it, but can handle a little bit. I work for the school system and I am off in July. I am willing to do 10-12 days total, with 7or 8 nights in cabo.

David K - 6-27-2010 at 08:53 AM

c-ckroaches... big ones! :wow:

Only at Ignacio Springs, however... Maybe do a perimeter spray around your yurt before night time? Otherwise for motels there is Ricardo's (at Rice & Beans), La Posada, Casa Leree, Desert Inn...

Baja is really a magical place, with so much to see... Cabo is at the tip and looks NOTHING like the rest of Baja... more of a Las Vegas atmosphere for rich kids on Spring Break... sorry, just my opinion after a lifetime of Baja trips and a couple of visits to Cabo (1966, 1974, 1985, 2001)

[Edited on 6-27-2010 by David K]

Bajafun777 - 6-27-2010 at 09:04 AM

Summer trip down just make sure you have checked your vehicle out real good, belts, hoses, oil, take plenty of bottle water and ice chest with drinks and the places suggested here to stay are all good. See the Mission in Loreto well worth the time and beach nice to walk on if staying in town but do it early morning or later in the evening and wear sandels you will need them. La Paz is another stop on the way down which is about maybe 4 hours to Cabo depending on trafffic, do not rush or pass where you should not!! Many nice places to stay in La Paz, which nomads here will suggest also, hope you have at least 10 days to take the easy on the easy tour,LOL. "No Hurry, No Worry, Just Fun" bajafun777

cutexianchick - 6-27-2010 at 09:05 AM

thanks for being honest... I wont be staying at ignacio springs, one of the other motels you mentioned. The large c-ckroaches look like venomus mountain lions to me and will just ruin the experience.

I know you dont like cabo but... do they have flying c-ckroaches there (like in Hawaii)? Any other bugs to watch out for? Im a 40 year old baby, lol

David K - 6-27-2010 at 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by cutexianchick
thanks for being honest... I wont be staying at ignacio springs, one of the other motels you mentioned. The large c-ckroaches look like venomus mountain lions to me and will just ruin the experience.

I know you dont like cabo but... do they have flying c-ckroaches there (like in Hawaii)? Any other bugs to watch out for? Im a 40 year old baby, lol

Please look at our photos from last summer... you will see that Ignacio Springs is pretty cool... but a Yurt is a tent, and we realize that bugs and mice can't be stopped by canvas. See http://www.casaleree.com also check out the missions... see my infio page on them, located under my posts here on Nomad...

cutexianchick - 6-27-2010 at 09:52 AM

thanks David K... I checked out all your pics and info. I will be taking some notes and figuring this trip out, we will for sure check out some missions and also stay in Loreto. I saw some campsite you stayed at near the water and the water was crystal clear. Ill need to see you info again and see if we cant just stop and check that water out!

Thanks for everyones replies and input... keep in coming. I will for sure post our outcome at the end of our trip. (im ready to go tomorrow, lol)

BajaBlanca - 6-27-2010 at 03:48 PM

someone mentioned Casa Leree in San Ignacio and it really is a wonderful place to stay. It is a hotel and museum, so you get a lot of history, books, art & crafts

San Ignacio has a huge church, the river, the square and great food. It is an oasis - merits a stop !

Bajahowodd - 6-27-2010 at 04:02 PM

Casa Leree is a great place. But be forewarned that they have a limited number of rooms. Make a reservation well in advance. Otherwise, given the portrait you painted of yourself, the Desert Inn would be as close to a US- style hotel in San Ignacio.

That said, given the number of days you have, I can't see any need to attempt driving from the border all the way to San Ignacio in one day. You could stop in Guerrero Negro for the night and just make a day trip to San Ignacio. That night, you could stop in Mulege, or could make it to Loreto. Or, you could stop in San Quintin, and then on to San Ignacio the next day and night. Personally, I consider the best accommodations along the way to be found in San Quintin, Guerrero Negro, Loreto and La Paz. The best places for food, San Quintin, Mulege, Loreto and La Paz.

That said, I don't want to ignore Bob & Susan's place in the list of great places to stay.

I also noted that you're book in Villas Del Palmar. Not sure what guarantees you have through Costco, but it is a large property, and is a time share. You will be solicited for a presentation. It's up to you whether you want to waste 1/2 a day. They tell you it's 90 minute, but it always ends up being three hours or more. Also, this property, unlike many in the area has many rooms on the opposite side from the beach. Assuming you don't want to spend a week in room with a view of Sam's Club, and inasmuch as the time you will be there is low season, should they attempt to put you in a "garden view" room, be firm and demand to get on the water side.

[Edited on 6-27-2010 by Bajahowodd]

Bob and Susan - 6-27-2010 at 05:37 PM

we're small too...
we're full this week again until friday

free breakfast

summer is "water time"

pool is 85
temp today 98
3 mph breeze

pool is clean...sparkling clean

toneart - 6-27-2010 at 05:41 PM

For me, Cabo lacks the charm, culture and color of Baja and Mexico. Your room will probably be sanitized though. This is a bias that most Bajaphiles and Nomads agree on. If that is your preference, I think you would be better off flying to Cabo, relax, swim and eat without the stress of driving and time constraints.

But it sounds like you are going to drive, so here are the practical realities: Don't sweat the c-ckroaches. It is the mosquitos that you need to protect yourselves from, with plenty of Deet. It is the mosquitos that carry disease...Dengue Fever (the bone crusher virus that can kill) is present in Baja.

Baja is officially now in the hurricane season. Usually, the bad ones come late in August/early September. Do stay informed.

You say you have 10-12 days total and will spend 7 or 8 days in Cabo. This is NOT enough time to allow for driving time!! You do not want to be pressured into speeding on HWY 1 or driving at night. Do not drive while tired! Besides, that time frame will NOT allow you to spend any quality time sight seeing all the interesting places that are mentioned in this string.

Take a laptop and check in regularly here in The Bajanomad Forum and continue to ask questions.There are WIFI hotspots throught Baja. You should start to get into stride and feel more comfortable in Baja, the further south you get; about the second or third day.

Keep us posted with your progress. We wish you the best of luck and good times, with good health and safety being the main determinant.

:yes:

DavidE - 6-27-2010 at 05:57 PM

Holy Mole!
Eleven hours on the road = a runner. This is a brand new visitor and I beg you old-timers to keep in mind those sights, sounds, and smells that you take for granted are going to be an utter wonderland to someone brand new to the peninsula.

Like it or not the cataviña area all the way past to the junction to bahia de los angeles and to the vizcaino desert is a wonder to experience. I love pausing in Cataviña and soaking in the scenery and ambiance. Play this thing by ear and by heart. You do not need reservations this time of year, flat-out period.

Another pair of magicals spot is San Ignacio and Mulege. If you feel like stopping for an evening then do so. Even after a near-half century when I crest that rise south of Mulege and gaze upon Santispac and Bahia Concepcion it takes my breath away.

Scuze me but ironing a schedule to these wonders is akin to scheduling sex with a stopwatch. Ahem.

San Lucas is a world unto itself and I do encourage folks to go see it for themselves. But it may be useful to bear in mind that many travelers, seasoned and new find the scenery and grandeur fade after one ascends into the sierras south of Loreto and just tries it's heart out to return but fails.

This is a four day traveling trip using normal driving "getting there" standards from the border. Magnetic delays are going to add to this figure, with you playing the part of a chunk of iron.

Udo - 6-27-2010 at 06:11 PM

Perhaps you can change part of your plans...7 days in Cabo??
Two days and one night is plenty. The place is a circus. Everything very expensive. If you want to spend two nights there, you have to rent an ATV and ride it to land's end at low tide (get a tide app for your computer).
Don't use your phone in Mexico unless you have a prearranged international plan. DO NOT TEXT or USE THE WEB on your phone. You'll be shocked at the bill when you get home. In the hundreds!
Spend more time in East Cape and La Paz, friendlier people, great food at inexpensive prices. You'll love Todos Santos!

Since you are driving...read (on Nomads) and pay close attention to the discriminatory gauntlet laid down in Ciudad Constitucion by their cops. You would be a prime candidate as a first timer. Search "Constitucion" on Nomads. Be prepared and extremely careful!

The yurts at Ignacio B&B are a lifetime experience, you can not miss it. Kayaks are included in your yurt rental. Even if you can't get a yurt, rent one of their standard rooms and walk to the bathrooms. And when in San Ignacio, you have to sit on one of the benches on the plaza. Feel the ghosts around you. Just sit for 15 minutes. Do and say nothing. Your 3 year-old will go nuts. But just smell the tortilleria in the morning. You'll never ever forget it.
In Santa Rosalia: take a right at the train engine and drive up the street and visit the world-famous panaderia and the copper church.

woody with a view - 6-27-2010 at 06:31 PM

"And when in San Ignacio, you have to sit on one of the benches on the plaza. Feel the ghosts around you. Just sit for 15 minutes. Do and say nothing. Your 3 year-old will go nuts. But just smell the tortilleria in the morning. You'll never ever forget it."

my then 18 y.o. son and i did j8ust that. only we ate ice cream bars in the shade of the HUGE tree covering the town square. it is a very cool place to see. and go inside the church and drop 50 pesos in the kitty to help with preservation of the building.

Udo - 6-27-2010 at 06:45 PM

It'a a moving and unbelievable experience, huh, Woody?

One can sit on park benches all over the world, and none will feel like the one in San Ignacio. :yes:

fishabductor - 6-27-2010 at 06:56 PM

I would fly if i were you. It'd probably cost about the same. That way you can just enjoy the trip. visit san jose's mision and art district. and cabo is a circus. I live east of san jose. on the eastcape.

cabo is great if your 18-20, want to get drunk everynight and are looking to get laid. But that does not sound like your original post.

The tropicana in san jose is a very nice place and is right in the middle of the art district, restraunts,estero, close to the beaches and the mission. It is also relatively inexpensive. I think about $80/night, but don't quote me on that!!

[Edited on 6-28-2010 by fishabductor]

UnoMas - 6-27-2010 at 07:54 PM

Have to agree with many of the other posters here, seven days in Cabo is six too many. You will be hounded by time share people, fishing charter people, car rental people, and on and on and when walking around town don't even think of glancing at an item for sale in the shops as they will be on you like buzzards on fresh road kill. Expect to pay about 50% of what they want or walk.

Base yourself in San Jose, Los Barriles , La Paz or Todos Santos and you can day trip to the whole lower penninsula. I myself would choose La Paz as it has affordable accomodations, great food at a decent price and you can walk around and shop with out being hounded to death.

Have a great trip and give us a trip report .

cutexianchick - 6-27-2010 at 08:24 PM

Thanks all! As for our room, I dont have to sit for a timeshare presentation thou I know I will be hounded! The price I am getting from Costco is worth staying there and visitng the near by cities. I am booking an ocean view room and dont want the garden sams club view, and I am already to fight if my room has old decor. No I am not 20 but I would rather have people than no people... so a cpl of days on the road sightseeing both directions might be enough for me. I can always extend coming back. Im still up in the air on 6,7,8 nights in cabo, thinking maybe 6. We can wheel and deal... my husband lives in Mexico, hes been there for a cpl of years now and we are just waiting out our immigration time (tick tock tick tcok). :yawn:

I am really going to try and do the tent hut things with the mice and c-ckroaches... UGGG, just wont get up in the middle of the night. I am still taking notes of everyones suggestions where to stop. I have driven to Juarez so many times, I could drive it with my eyes close. I know this is a different directions thou, but I am one of those ansy people that just want to go and get there, so stopping and seeing is a new thing for me and I dont want to miss the chance.

We are driving... I have a month off work... its cheaper and we can enjoy each other... we dont spend to much time together so alone time in the truck will be good for us. Go the DVD for my duaghter, we wont even hear her.. wizard of oz all the way I bet.

fishabductor - 6-27-2010 at 08:32 PM

Only drive during the day, and drive slow.. the road is very narrow and empty semi trucks driving north are going fast, and they think they own the road.

It's a beautiful drive. I have just done it over 30x.

cutexianchick - 6-27-2010 at 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by Udo
Perhaps you can change part of your plans...7 days in Cabo??
Two days and one night is plenty. The place is a circus. Everything very expensive. If you want to spend two nights there, you have to rent an ATV and ride it to land's end at low tide (get a tide app for your computer).
Don't use your phone in Mexico unless you have a prearranged international plan. DO NOT TEXT or USE THE WEB on your phone. You'll be shocked at the bill when you get home. In the hundreds!
Spend more time in East Cape and La Paz, friendlier people, great food at inexpensive prices. You'll love Todos Santos!

Since you are driving...read (on Nomads) and pay close attention to the discriminatory gauntlet laid down in Ciudad Constitucion by their cops. You would be a prime candidate as a first timer. Search "Constitucion" on Nomads. Be prepared and extremely careful!

The yurts at Ignacio B&B are a lifetime experience, you can not miss it. Kayaks are included in your yurt rental. Even if you can't get a yurt, rent one of their standard rooms and walk to the bathrooms. And when in San Ignacio, you have to sit on one of the benches on the plaza. Feel the ghosts around you. Just sit for 15 minutes. Do and say nothing. Your 3 year-old will go nuts. But just smell the tortilleria in the morning. You'll never ever forget it.
In Santa Rosalia: take a right at the train engine and drive up the street and visit the world-famous panaderia and the copper church.

I didnt know you could ride to Lands end... I will for sure look into that. what is a tide app and how do I get that? Yes I am going to try and do the yurt thing or possibly a room... the place just seems very nice. Do yo think I need to reserve? Yes I saw some postings on the the problem with cops at constitucion, I will update myself before we leave.

Will do the recommended sightseeing you mentioned at the end of your post, my husband will love the bakery (i kinda like the bakerys, like US donuts better).

cutexianchick - 6-28-2010 at 06:22 AM

Okay so now that I am already on vacation in my mind... you guys im really excited about the cabo part... pool, water, beach... yea!!! I now am thinking about splitting our vacation up half in cabo and half in san jose del Cabo. We are for sure staying at a resort for the amentities and for my daughter to enjoy kids club stuff. We can get an inclusive in San Jose at Royal Solaris for $169, thats a good price. Since food is exspensive as well as drinks that is a good savings. This would give us extra money to spend or in mt mind to spend on motels along the way to and from. I cant wait; Dophins, snorkeling (invest in babysitting that day), boat rides, possible cruise dinner and sight seeing. I will be on afterwork to get more opinions and will have to book tonight. have a great one.

fishabductor - 6-28-2010 at 06:45 AM

I stayed at the presidente for our Honeymoon 7 years ago and it was pretty nice.

Have a great trip

wilderone - 6-28-2010 at 08:31 AM

I wouldn't stay 7 days in Cabo. You'll see on the way down that Baja's many charms do not lie in Cabo San Lucas. Small towns are where it's at. A couple days in Loreto - take a drive to the mission there. Go fishing too. A night at Mulege, stroll the small town, the river bank, check out the old prison, the views, get sometone to take you on a hike to the pictographs. Hang out in San Ignacio, Bahia Conception. I don't believe you would need reservations anywhere in Baja these days. Cancel your Villa Palmas reservations, go with the flow. I know you would enjoy a couple days at Rancho Leonero - check it out online. Take snorkle gear, slow down - it will be hot.

David K - 6-28-2010 at 08:35 AM

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Originally posted by wilderone
I wouldn't stay 7 days in Cabo. You'll see on the way down that Baja's many charms do not lie in Cabo San Lucas. Small towns are where it's at. A couple days in Loreto - take a drive to the mission there. Go fishing too. A night at Mulege, stroll the small town, the river bank, check out the old prison, the views, get sometone to take you on a hike to the pictographs. Hang out in San Ignacio, Bahia Conception. I don't believe you would need reservations anywhere in Baja these days. Cancel your Villa Palmas reservations, go with the flow. I know you would enjoy a couple days at Rancho Leonero - check it out online. Take snorkle gear, slow down - it will be hot.

Right on advice! :light:

Udo - 6-28-2010 at 08:45 AM

Hola cutexianchick!
A tide application can be obtained when you google it. There are many available on the web as well as several for the Iphone.

BTW, if you really want to save some cash and still go to Land's End at low tide (at low tide you get to walk under the arch and literally see the two seas coming together), you can walk there from either the North end of town or do some rock climbing and walk there from the end of the marina.

The Malecon in La Paz is another can't miss, peaceful, serene, and an unforgettable sunset.

Bajahowodd - 6-28-2010 at 02:04 PM

Udo. I've been going to Cabo since the early 80's. I've kayaked through the arch and in the infrequent low tides, I've walked under it. But, one would have to be a mountain goat to actually walk to it. It's a less rigorous hike from the Pacific beach over some rocks to Playa de Amor. But, beyond Lover's Beach, I just can't see it being done on foot.

Wingnut - 6-28-2010 at 02:40 PM

Okay enough with the Cabo bashing! Yes, there are drawbacks to being in Cabo but I do not find mad rush that used to be Cabo 5 years ago. If you do not want to be bothered by time share hustlers just say no and pass them by. 5, 6 or 7 days in Cabo will be enjoyable if you take the time to plan your visit. My friends and I go down several times a year for a week or two and never have any of the problems that the Cabo bashers seem to find prevalent. If you want to go to the beach, there are plenty to chose from and not just Medano Beach in Cabo. Up along the coast are several great spots. Take your vehicle and do day trips, you will enjoy it immensely. Yes, there are many great locations on the Baja, not just Cabo, but if you are not up to tremendous amounts of driving and sightseeing, Cabo can be quite a place to relax in. You have not mentioned dining or nightlife of which Cabo is well named for. If your time-share offers it, you might try getting a baby sitter and planning an evening out. Early evening dining is a great option with everyplace catering to family fare. Souvenir shopping is great and be sure to take a glass bottom boat to lands end and spending a couple of hours at Lover's beach near the arch. The only caveat to YOUR vacation is to take enough time to enjoy what you like doing. Sometimes just a quiet day at the beach or the pool is just the thing for recharging the batteries. Enjoy it however you plan to do it.

capt. mike - 6-28-2010 at 03:06 PM

well said wingnut - i have been to Cabo twice already this year and it was lots of fun.
you just have to know where to go and what to avoid.
it is not pricey either if you don't have or want to spend a fortune.

the constant cabo bashing here gets old. and i think Cabo has gotten better over the last 5 years as far as the riff raff leaving.

Los Cabos is even nicer.

cutexianchick - 6-29-2010 at 05:59 AM

Hi Wingnut
Yes babysitting is avaialble and we thought for sure about using it so we could snorkle. We even thought about using the services for a dinnere date alone. The rest of the time we will be all together, She is going ont he glass bottom boat to lovers beach and the lands end. I booked a dinner cruise with my itenery through Caborey and we will also do the dolphin encounter. We will sightsee and visit many restaurants, not looking at eating to much at our hotel. I've booked 6 nights and I know that if not anything, the pool, beach and drinks is relaxing to me. I have yet to book in San Jose, we plan on three nights there with an inclusive resorts. We will stop in Loreto either there or back and also the city with the yurts (cant spell the city). When we get tired we will stop but we are not going to spend days along the way, 1 -2 each way will be plenty.

Bajahowodd - 6-29-2010 at 10:53 AM

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Originally posted by cutexianchick
Hi Wingnut
Yes babysitting is avaialble and we thought for sure about using it so we could snorkle. We even thought about using the services for a dinnere date alone. The rest of the time we will be all together, She is going ont he glass bottom boat to lovers beach and the lands end. I booked a dinner cruise with my itenery through Caborey and we will also do the dolphin encounter. We will sightsee and visit many restaurants, not looking at eating to much at our hotel. I've booked 6 nights and I know that if not anything, the pool, beach and drinks is relaxing to me. I have yet to book in San Jose, we plan on three nights there with an inclusive resorts. We will stop in Loreto either there or back and also the city with the yurts (cant spell the city). When we get tired we will stop but we are not going to spend days along the way, 1 -2 each way will be plenty.

I'm somewhat puzzled at the idea of looking to visit many restaurants in Cabo San Lucas, but choosing an all-inclusive in San Jose. While there are many decent to excellent restaurants in San Lucas, there are also many that barely make mediocre. On the other hand, San Jose has, probably, more excellent restaurants. I noted your quote for the price of the all-inclusive. Not bad. However, ass someone mentioned early on in this thread, In town, the Tropicana is a very nice place to stay that places you within walking distance of many really good restaurants.

cutexianchick - 6-29-2010 at 07:54 PM

Bajahowodd,
Thanks for being puzzled.. becuase I am probbably more than you.

I cant afford an all inclusive in cabo for 6 nights... so we will be eating dinner out, breaksfast in and lunch here and there. Now, In san jose I could afford an all inclusive so I decided that it would be a good savings and we would still be able to visit another city and spend time there and enjoy their accomadations.

Im not going to lie, I want to enjoy especially at the all inclusive as many of the fruity girly drinks that I want. This is more my vacation that anyones, lol. You have to remember I am a married single mom... my husband is in mexico waiting for our immigration process to be complete (3 years). I need a break with lots and lots of fun drinks and drinks can get exspensive. This is time for my husband and our daughter to bond and me to get a tan. I am joking to a certain degree but I am also being serious.

The tropicana is not on the beach and doesnt seem to be geared towards chidlren. The resort I would like to stay at has an entire area for kids, mulitple water slides and other fun stuff as well as kids pool and schedule things to do, drop your children off and enjoy your day (or whatever). I know we will spend way over $100 to eat and drink in cabo every day we are there. $500 for 3 nights all inclusive in San Jose is a great deal. We can also drive in to San Jose to eat one of the nights we are in cabo, its close.

Udo - 6-29-2010 at 09:07 PM

You are correct, bajahowodd. I't's been about 8 years since I was there last. I remembered walking past the harbor and over the rocks, but not much past that. Perhaps that is why we rented the quads. We were somewhat hammered, therefore the memory is somewhat fuzzy. I remember the arch at low tide and walking under it, and that no one else was there.

One thing I am highly impressed of, bajahowodd, is that you kayaked to the land's end. There is an incredible current and tidal influence there. Even at low tide, the water vicinity is kind of like a constant rip-current.

irenemm - 6-29-2010 at 11:27 PM

cutexianchick
Welcome to the nomads.
The most important is to have a great vacation that you have earned all year.
The really important part that everyone has told you is drive careful and don't be in a hurry. Everyone that lives here is. Don't trust the truck driver to give you the left signal to pass he might be saying hi to the on coming truck.
Don't drive at night no shoulder. The hwy is higher than the small shoulder that they do have watch for over correction. Be careful and enjoy what ever you do.
Stop and say hi. We have a playground for your little one to get out and burn off some of the energy that they have at that age.
Just have fun
Drive careful
Irene
Posada Don Diego

cutexianchick - 6-30-2010 at 06:35 AM

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Originally posted by irenemm
cutexianchick
Welcome to the nomads.
The most important is to have a great vacation that you have earned all year.
The really important part that everyone has told you is drive careful and don't be in a hurry. Everyone that lives here is. Don't trust the truck driver to give you the left signal to pass he might be saying hi to the on coming truck.
Don't drive at night no shoulder. The hwy is higher than the small shoulder that they do have watch for over correction. Be careful and enjoy what ever you do.
Stop and say hi. We have a playground for your little one to get out and burn off some of the energy that they have at that age.
Just have fun
Drive careful
Irene
Posada Don Diego

Oh very cool, I check you out on the map, looks like we will be driving past you, we will stop for kiana to run around and well get gas too. thanks

David K - 6-30-2010 at 06:42 AM

EL ROSARIO, 225 miles from Tijuana has reliable, honest gasoline sales and the finest motel 'The Baja Cactus' on the peninsula for under $40/ night... both owned by our own Baja Nomad member 'Baja Cactus' (Antonio Muñoz). Being the last Pemex gas station southbound before the great void of the central desert, it is the perfect location to top off and get some rest and food... Next door to Baja Cactus is the famous 'Mama Espinoza's' restaurant (recently remodeled)...

cutexianchick - 6-30-2010 at 01:57 PM

Great Info David K, thank you. Before I leave I am printing this whole topic out so I can remember everything and in case I forgot Ill just look it up!

Bajahowodd - 6-30-2010 at 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by Udo
You are correct, bajahowodd. I't's been about 8 years since I was there last. I remembered walking past the harbor and over the rocks, but not much past that. Perhaps that is why we rented the quads. We were somewhat hammered, therefore the memory is somewhat fuzzy. I remember the arch at low tide and walking under it, and that no one else was there.

One thing I am highly impressed of, bajahowodd, is that you kayaked to the land's end. There is an incredible current and tidal influence there. Even at low tide, the water vicinity is kind of like a constant rip-current.

It is kinda choppy there. I found that rather than heading straight for the arch from Medano Beach, it was easier, although certainly longer, to head toward the marina and hug the inner side of San Lucas Bay past Lover's beach and on to the arch. That said, I'm not quite certain that I'd try it today. Last time out there, I was ten years younger!

irenemm - 6-30-2010 at 11:06 PM

cutexianchick
When do you get to start your great adventure?
Remember to take it easy. Life is to short to be in a hurry.

cutexianchick - 7-1-2010 at 09:49 AM

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Originally posted by irenemm
cutexianchick
When do you get to start your great adventure?
Remember to take it easy. Life is to short to be in a hurry.

We check in Monday 7/12... Plan to leave Saturday early morning. I am hoping we may be able to leave Friday. I am waiting for a crown for my tooth, that is all that is keeping me here.

Bajahowodd - 7-1-2010 at 02:04 PM

$100 a day for food and drink? There are a number of very affordable options. First and foremost, avoid eating at the hotel restaurants. Second, in Cabo, right across the main highway from where you are staying is a Walmart and Sam's Club. Not only can you buy whatever you might need for breakfast and lunch, to make it in your room, but beverages abound. In addition, there is a food court there at the mall. As a resource for restaurants, you should check this out;

http://www.loscabosguide.com/dining/dinintro.htm

And, I don't know if they are still doing it, but this place had 1/2 priced carnitas on Wednesdays.

http://www.losmichoacanos.com/about.htm

[Edited on 7-1-2010 by Bajahowodd]

cutexianchick - 7-1-2010 at 04:45 PM

Carnitas sounds good right now! I will print out the restaurant resource and take with. We were going to hit up Costco for some stuff and also Sams club too. If I end up spending less than $500 on food for the entire trip I will be jumping up and down for joy!!! thanks

cutexianchick - 7-2-2010 at 11:15 AM

SO I am planning out the stops, Have the map all ready to go with a big circle around "constitution" to slow down and be careful. Are there any toll's after Ensenada (didnt think so)? As far as gas prices, is estimating $2.50 a gallon about right? How much money shoudl I convert over into Peso's (figured for gas)? Will I get a better exchange rate in TJ or Cabo (jaurez had a better exchange rate than Tj when we last went)?

dtbushpilot - 7-2-2010 at 01:51 PM

Do try to stay at Ignacio Springs B&B. Terry and Gary are the best and those bugs aren't c-ckroaches, they're "palmetto bugs".....anybody that's been in Florida knows that.....dt

Bajahowodd - 7-2-2010 at 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by cutexianchick
Carnitas sounds good right now! I will print out the restaurant resource and take with. We were going to hit up Costco for some stuff and also Sams club too. If I end up spending less than $500 on food for the entire trip I will be jumping up and down for joy!!! thanks

FYI- As I mentioned, the Sam's club and the Walmart are right across the main highway from where you are staying. The Walmart is similar to what they calla superstore in the states. It contains a full-blown supermarket Mexican style, including fresh produce. Just saying that since folks usually have to buy huge quantities or large container of stuff at Costco and Sam's Club, you won't have that issue at the Walmart.

That said, I really only mention Walmart because it's so close to where you'll be staying. Fact is, in the Los Cabos area there are two Sorianas, a CCC and a Mega (somewhat like a Comercial Mexicana on steroids).

cutexianchick - 7-2-2010 at 08:50 PM

Im sure the walmart there is just like the one in TJ... we can get most stuff there. Im a Mexican yogurt freak... will have to check and see if walmart caries what I like or Ill have to stop at Soriana (my husabnd use to work for Soriana, decent place to work).

cutexianchick - 7-2-2010 at 08:58 PM

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Originally posted by dtbushpilot
Do try to stay at Ignacio Springs B&B. Terry and Gary are the best and those bugs aren't c-ckroaches, they're "palmetto bugs".....anybody that's been in Florida knows that.....dt

So I found this on ask the exterminator website: Palmetto bug is just another word for "American c-ckroach". These suckers are big, they can fly, and they aren't scared of anything or anyone. On another website it also said waterbug. :?:

thanks for trying to help me feel better, but I know better that these nasty things are c-ckroaches (and not the kind that are because things are dirty). I get these things outside of my house, especially now in the summer in the heat (i have actually seen one crawl out of a gopher hole. I really want to stay at Ignacio springs but when we get there, hopefully they will have a room and a noraml kind with walls. :biggrin:

David K - 7-2-2010 at 10:35 PM

The rooms are great (you did see my photos, right?)... They just come with 'free wildlife experience'!

cutexianchick - 7-2-2010 at 10:54 PM

David K I did see them plus I looked on their website... I will try something out. The wildlife experiences are just, im not sure the correct words to use. I am afraid they will crawl on me.. Ill wake up to one crawling inside the covers or staring at my face... or even flying and landing on my head. eeewwwwwwwww!!

wilderone - 7-3-2010 at 08:50 AM

And life if too short to spend it at a Costco or Walmart when in Baja CA. Go to the small panaderias, fruit markets, taco stands. Prices will get higher and higher the further south you go. Even a gallon of water will soon be $2.50, after paying $1.00 in Baja norte. Chips will be outrageous in Cabo, so you might consider bringing cans of nuts, boxes of crackers, cookies, trail mix to supplement lunches and snacks when out and about. Also many powdered drinks available now to add to water - tea, lemonade, electrolyte drinks. Bring travel cups, keep plenty of water handy, get ice at the hotel and mix your own beverages instead of buying a case of something at Walmart.

dtbushpilot - 7-3-2010 at 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by cutexianchick
David K I did see them plus I looked on their website... I will try something out. The wildlife experiences are just, im not sure the correct words to use. I am afraid they will crawl on me.. Ill wake up to one crawling inside the covers or staring at my face... or even flying and landing on my head. eeewwwwwwwww!!

I've stayed there at least a dozen times. I've seen a small "palmetto bug" or two, most times we manage to avoid one another completely. I've encountered bugs of all sorts at EVERY Baja accommodation that I've patronized....even the fancy resorts. If you're afraid of bugs Baja may not be the best vacation destination for you.....dt

cutexianchick - 7-3-2010 at 04:40 PM

dtbushpilot... lol that is funny, because I dont like c-ckroaches... means i shouldnt be in baja. My husband lives in Baja and I am here often. I dont like big bugs and c-ckroaches, most people (maybe not on here) would agree. In my mind I thought this place was having aton of them and huge ginormous ones. One or Two... no big deal.

dtbushpilot - 7-3-2010 at 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by cutexianchick
dtbushpilot... lol that is funny, because I dont like c-ckroaches... means i shouldnt be in baja. My husband lives in Baja and I am here often. I dont like big bugs and c-ckroaches, most people (maybe not on here) would agree. In my mind I thought this place was having aton of them and huge ginormous ones. One or Two... no big deal.

I don't know anybody that likes cocaroches, myself included and I would avoid an accomodation that had more than their share. All I can say from my personal experience is that they have no more than anybody else in the San Ignacio area.

Have fun on your trip and be carefull. Be sure to take lots of pictures so that you can share with the rest of us when you get back.......

fishabductor - 7-3-2010 at 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by wilderone
And life if too short to spend it at a Costco or Walmart when in Baja CA. Go to the small panaderias, fruit markets, taco stands. Prices will get higher and higher the further south you go. Even a gallon of water will soon be $2.50, after paying $1.00 in Baja norte. Chips will be outrageous in Cabo, so you might consider bringing cans of nuts, boxes of crackers, cookies, trail mix to supplement lunches and snacks when out and about. Also many powdered drinks available now to add to water - tea, lemonade, electrolyte drinks. Bring travel cups, keep plenty of water handy, get ice at the hotel and mix your own beverages instead of buying a case of something at Walmart.

Wilderone,

It doesn't sound like you spend much time in Los Cabos.

Chips are about $1 more than the states. Water is $1 for 5 gals. the first time it's $7 for water and the 5gal bottle. A 2gal bottle of water is about $1.50 at Soriana's, walmart...ect.

I'd skip the all inclusive option and eat out on the town, much cheaper, more options, and better food to boot!!

The taxis will take you to costco and you can load up and get your pizza fix while your at it.

cutexianchick - 7-4-2010 at 07:31 AM

More questions.... :biggrin:

Best bang for my buck, converting dollars into pesos, your recommendations please. The rates are so up and down throughout TJ, wasnt sure if you knew one place that was usually higher than all.

Im showing verde gas at about 7.97... anyone noticed any different lately?

We leave soon.... :bounce:

Trying to leave US on Thursday morning and then to TJ at the house to spend finishing getting ready, if we are able we will leave Friday morning if not Saturday morning. I feel like when I was 5 going to Disneyland for the first time, How can I still be this pumped over things at 40! LOL

DENNIS - 7-4-2010 at 07:35 AM

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Originally posted by cutexianchick

Best bang for my buck, converting dollars into pesos, your recommendations please.

Costco...Chula Vista....Broadway.

cutexianchick - 7-9-2010 at 08:41 PM

got across border yesterday, hit a soriana that my husband knows someone that works there and they exchanged dollars for us at 12.82. We are in Guerrero Negro, we were able to drive longer and I forgot my itenery on my computer at home! sucks! LOL
Got a room at Los Caracoles, nice room, larger, clean and will do our laundry in the moring for us (was not impressed with others we saw, but we didnt look at cowboy). Had a great dinner, lobster and grouper... yummy.

off to san ign. B & B tomorrow.

No problems, everything has gone as smooth as possible and so will the rest of the trip, possitive thinking. Mucho thanks to all!

cutexianchick - 7-11-2010 at 05:26 PM

Stayed at Ig springs B&B most amazing place, will be back in March to see the whales and spend a few days. We had the small yurt next to the water... we loved it. It was my kind of campiing!!

Just made it to Loreto, we stopped at I think every beach along the way! LOL

Bajahowodd - 7-11-2010 at 08:13 PM

It's all good. That's why so many folks are on this forum, :biggrin:

irenemm - 7-11-2010 at 11:02 PM

cutexianchick
Sounds like your having some real fun now. Hope you have as much fun as possible and even more.
keep up the posts.
drive careful and stay safe
Irene

cutexianchick - 7-12-2010 at 10:49 PM

we got to Cabo, checked in at 6pm... got into room at 7pm, a few minor details but all is good. My view is amazing, they didnt have a room with one bed in the nicer tower so I was a nice demanding gringo and got a little upgrade. It pays to be persistant. my husbands cousin lives here, met him tonight and when he is not working he will take us around the city.

snowcat5 - 7-13-2010 at 07:41 AM

Cutexianchick, Be sure to take the glass bottom boat tour out to the Arch. About $10. per person: take Ritz crackers to feed the fish, some cold drinks, tip the Captain and have some fun! For a little extra $ they will take you on a tour of the Bay, around the cruise ships and under the parachuters. Check out the East Cape area too, stop at Zac's B and G in Zacatitos for lunch or drinks and say Hi to Paul and Angle- they are great folks with a nice place for travelers to stop. Tell 'em Rock sent you. Also, Art and Beer, on the way to Todos Santos is good fun too. Artisanos, North of Cabo, across the big bridge over the arroyo, on the right, is a fun place to pick up art and home decorations- three stories of stuff. They are closed from 2 pm 'till 4 pm for siesta, I think. Enjoy! :saint:

cutexianchick - 7-13-2010 at 08:18 PM

thanks Snow. I will try and check out east cape area.

My husbands cousin lives here... he hooked us up with someone that can get us lower prices on the tours. we do the glass bottom tour and then will drop us off at lovers beach (cruise ship left 2 hours ago)... $7 not bad (its about 30-40% off). I am really considering a time share tour... he has a friend that can get us in to a good one, $200 or $400 in coupons... promised non aggresive.

We hit costco, sams and walmart up today (exchange 12.63), banks are at about 12.4 havnt exchanged any more money yet. Took a walk in the downtown area and stopped at his cousins store he works at.

cutexianchick - 7-15-2010 at 12:09 PM

Guess what? I have cancelled my 3 days in san jose and booked at the del arco one bed suite until the 23rd. I love it here... I want to do so much. We did a time share tour and got really good free tours out of it. Of course we didnt buy and they didnt hard sell us. We have 2 for the dolphin encounter, 2 for the 3 bay Oceano snorkeling and 2 for the fajita fiesta sunset cruise, one of the better deals out there!!! (daughter is free).

cutexianchick - 7-23-2010 at 09:43 AM

Checking outta Cabo...

Off to La Paz for the night (wing'n it for a room) and an early rise off to Bob and Susan we go in Mulege!!! Ohh that beautiful water in Mulege, snorkle for the last time until our next trip!

BajaBlanca - 7-23-2010 at 10:04 AM

you sound like you are having the time of your life....so many new experiences !! My suggestion: next time you drive south, fill up the gas tank, go to Santiago which is near (sort of) to Los Barriles. Follow the signs from santiago to sol de mayo. park. pay 75 pesos per person. after a 10 min hike you will see a waterfall in the middle of the desert with a pool to swim in at the bottom !! it was incredible when we went a month ago ... take a picnic and spend the day with the kids. truly spectacular and unexpected in the midst of cacti ....

MsTerieus - 7-23-2010 at 10:27 AM

Hi, Cutex. Thanks for your travel-guide posts. It gives me vicarious pleasure to read about them. Have fun.

toneart - 7-23-2010 at 02:30 PM

Remember all your questions before the trip? Nomads launched you with a good travel plan, and you also knew what you wanted.

Now you are a veteran Baja traveller! You will be the one giving good advice to newbies next time. Good for you! :bounce:

Jaybo - 7-23-2010 at 04:08 PM

We drove all over hell and gone trying to find this waterfall with no luck. Anyone have a map location of it?

..Jay

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Originally posted by BajaBlanca
you sound like you are having the time of your life....so many new experiences !! My suggestion: next time you drive south, fill up the gas tank, go to Santiago which is near (sort of) to Los Barriles. Follow the signs from santiago to sol de mayo. park. pay 75 pesos per person. after a 10 min hike you will see a waterfall in the middle of the desert with a pool to swim in at the bottom !! it was incredible when we went a month ago ... take a picnic and spend the day with the kids. truly spectacular and unexpected in the midst of cacti ....

noproblemo2 - 7-23-2010 at 04:47 PM

Sounds like you're having a great time

Bob and Susan - 7-23-2010 at 04:52 PM

a 3 year old is comming?

should we "clear the pool"? :lol:

BajaGringo - 7-23-2010 at 04:56 PM

I would be more concerned with the yellow water. Floaties can be safely seen and avoided from a distance...

toneart - 7-23-2010 at 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by Bob and Susan
a 3 year old is comming?

should we "clear the pool"? :lol:

"Doodie!" :lol:

I like the Haz Mat suit, too.

noproblemo2 - 7-23-2010 at 05:10 PM

Better start baking cookies for the little one :light:

David K - 7-23-2010 at 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by Jaybo
We drove all over hell and gone trying to find this waterfall with no luck. Anyone have a map location of it?

..Jay

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It is just up from the hot springs 'Agua Caliente', drive past the zoo on the old Baja main road and turn right at Agua Caliente to 'El Chorro' (what I recall reading, have not been there) ...

Mike Humfreville wrote a nice trip report about it... as have many other Nomads... Use the search at the top of the page!

Jaybo - 7-23-2010 at 05:32 PM

Wow, David, I was sure you were going to reply with detailed maps, GPS Coordinates, pictures and complete 4 part story to go along with it all! VERY disappointed! :lol:

I'll go do a search and see what I come up with, I guess we just missed the turn off because we drove WAY up in the hills before we gave up. Just one of the roads that pretty much ruined that rental Sentra by the time we returned it!

Thanks!

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Originally posted by Jaybo
We drove all over hell and gone trying to find this waterfall with no luck. Anyone have a map location of it?

..Jay

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David K - 7-23-2010 at 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by Jaybo
Wow, David, I was sure you were going to reply with detailed maps, GPS Coordinates, pictures and complete 4 part story to go along with it all! VERY disappointed! :lol:

Thanks!

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Originally posted by David K

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We drove all over hell and gone trying to find this waterfall with no luck. Anyone have a map location of it?

..Jay

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LOL!!!

That's because I have not been there!!! Seriously, it isn't a secret place and there are no waves to surf! :lol:

Jaybo - 7-23-2010 at 05:48 PM

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Wow, David, I was sure you were going to reply with detailed maps, GPS Coordinates, pictures and complete 4 part story to go along with it all! VERY disappointed! :lol:

Thanks!

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Originally posted by Jaybo
We drove all over hell and gone trying to find this waterfall with no luck. Anyone have a map location of it?

..Jay

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LOL!!!

That's because I have not been there!!! Seriously, it isn't a secret place and there are no waves to surf! :lol:

Hmm... What's the actual name of the waterfall? I am not having any luck searching...

..Jay

David K - 7-23-2010 at 05:56 PM

Here's the post I was talking about : http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=1039

gnukid - 7-23-2010 at 06:18 PM

'Sol de mayo' can't miss it, hang a right at the

[Edited on 7-24-2010 by gnukid]

Jaybo - 7-23-2010 at 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Here's the post I was talking about : http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=1039

Enjoyed that story and found another thread that was even more helpful regarding location.

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=19512#pid1727...

I'm guessing I drove ALMOST far enough... Lessons learned, and I will be sure to return and swim in that water!

David K - 7-23-2010 at 06:22 PM

Great...glad you found the photo one... I was hoping frizkie would jump in, as her winter home is near there.

Jaybo - 7-23-2010 at 06:24 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
'Sol de mayo' can't miss it, hang a right at the

I'll beg to differ, one CAN miss it! I'm living proof! I drove WAY up that road but apparently not far enough..

noproblemo2 - 7-23-2010 at 06:39 PM

Beautiful Place, it's now on my bucket list....

Udo - 7-23-2010 at 06:43 PM

Thanks for the photos, gnukid.
This is now on my bucket list also. :tumble:

wilderone - 7-25-2010 at 08:13 AM

gnukid - I put that on The List as well. Found this too (wanted to find out if one could camp - answer, no - it's in the biosphere preserve):

"Spend the day, or the weekend. Although the waterfalls are in the Sierra Laguna biosphere, and in this area, no camping is permitted; some private casitas are available to rent on route to the falls after you pass the Sierra Laguna entrance gate and pay your $30 peso admission fee per person. One casita, a delightful adobe two-bedroom, palm thatched roof casita, complete with kitchen and rock-lined shower is clean and well detailed. But the lack of electricity is evident from the numerous candles present in the casita, so bring your battery powered radios, and forget TV or the telephone. Plan on relaxing to the max and star gazing! There is also a one-bedroom casita at the parking lot, closer to the falls. After a day in this peaceful place, you may just want to stay the night. The gate keeper can assist you with rental information and immediate booking, or contact Priscillano Elehazar at 624-130-2055 or coramexmf@prodigy.net.mx This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it ."

wilderone - 7-25-2010 at 08:23 AM

and:
"Cascade de Sol de Mayo is located northwest of Santiago off of Highway 1, between San Jose del Cabo and Los Barilles. Look for the sign and the paved highway. As you enter Santiago and pass the tree-lined entrance road, take the first right. The road is paved and takes you around the lagoon. At a cross road, a sign clearly indicates Sol de Mayo, going up a dirt road straight from the curve in the paving. Follow the signs, it is very easy. About 10 km.s from town. To get to Rancho Santa Rita, go straight at the fork in the dirt road (going right will take you to Sol de Mayo). You will come into a small pueblo, take the first right after entering the town. About 5 km.s. At the roads end is Rancho Santa Rita and Sr. Baurelios hot springs. Do not be afraid to ask anyone for directions, they are very helpful. (Notice the change in foliage in the foothills of the Sierra Laguna.)"

Osprey - 7-25-2010 at 08:26 AM

One year a bunch of kids from La Paz camped there (pre biosphere) and graffittied the whole face of the waterfall cliff with their names. Their whole family name: Juan Jose Acevedo, etc. (not a real name)

I shot a lot of pix, gave them to the authorities, they found the kids, dragged them back to the falls and made them clean the whole place up.

[Edited on 7-25-2010 by Osprey]

Udo - 7-25-2010 at 09:38 AM

WOW!

Great effort, George. :bounce:

I would have thought that such a police report would have fallen on deaf ears.

David K - 7-25-2010 at 09:58 AM

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Originally posted by Osprey
One year a bunch of kids from La Paz camped there (pre biosphere) and graffittied the whole face of the waterfall cliff with their names. Their whole family name: Juan Jose Acevedo, etc. (not a real name)

I shot a lot of pix, gave them to the authorities, they found the kids, dragged them back to the falls and made them clean the whole place up.

[Edited on 7-25-2010 by Osprey]

That's awesome!!!

Osprey - 7-25-2010 at 10:18 AM

Yep, I was impressed. Sergio Gomez, the manager of the Palomar restaurant/hotel in Santiago helped me get the photos to SEMARNAT and they did the rest. The kids made a fire, cooked some meat for dinner, stirred the fat up and dipped their fire sticks in it so the awful mess was charcoal and grease, not easy to remove. SEMARNAT got some special solvent that worked well but would not pollute the stream below. I keep forgettin to ask him what the solvent was because, sadly, but for sure, it will have to be used again and again.

Jaybo - 7-25-2010 at 10:21 AM

Very cool Osprey! Thank you!

gnukid - 7-25-2010 at 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by wilderone
gnukid - I put that on The List as well. Found this too (wanted to find out if one could camp - answer, no - it's in the biosphere preserve):

"Spend the day, or the weekend. Although the waterfalls are in the Sierra Laguna biosphere, and in this area, no camping is permitted; some private casitas are available to rent on route to the falls after you pass the Sierra Laguna entrance gate and pay your $30 peso admission fee per person. One casita, a delightful adobe two-bedroom, palm thatched roof casita, complete with kitchen and rock-lined shower is clean and well detailed. But the lack of electricity is evident from the numerous candles present in the casita, so bring your battery powered radios, and forget TV or the telephone. Plan on relaxing to the max and star gazing! There is also a one-bedroom casita at the parking lot, closer to the falls. After a day in this peaceful place, you may just want to stay the night. The gate keeper can assist you with rental information and immediate booking, or contact Priscillano Elehazar at 624-130-2055 or coramexmf@prodigy.net.mx This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it ."

Suggest that people do research into UNESCO World Heritage sites and consider strategies to deal with UNESCO.

Many politicians, Nationalists, ecologists and citizens wordwide oppose UNESCO. Strategies are suggested to resist UNESCO which has stated it's ulterior goals to support a "New World Information and Communication Order" among many socio-engineering goals. H.G. Wells, a Fabian Socialist author described the socio-strategy in his The Open Conspiracy which includes a massive indoctrination through education.

Interesting, legally UNESCO inherently has no authority, power to access fees, or sovereignty over lands they claim as World Heritage Site, nor do their appointees. Those who do make agreements with UNESCO are giving them authority over themselves, over land ownership, in many/most cases in opposition to National Laws.

This land of the waterfalls is in Mexico and falls under the local and National Constitutional laws of Mexico, UNESCO nor anyone under it's authority have any power to restrict your access legally, for example camping, charging fees.

Yet under the guise of naming it a UNESCO Man and the Biosphere location, a foreign quasi organization with a very Luciferian history is attempting to use local people to claim, control and divide land on behalf of UNESCO. The strategy could be termed infiltrate, divide, conquer, assimilate.

UNESCO was first headed up by Julian Huxley - who is also a founder of the World Wildlife Fund and was a founder and President of the Eugenics Society.

Julian and his brother Aldous Huxley were grandsons of Thomas H. Huxley of Milner's Round table formed by the wills of Cecil Rhodes, the brothers were both visited and tutored by Aleister Crowley.

In 1957 Julian Huxley coined the term "transhumanism" to describe the view that man should better himself through science and technology, possibly including eugenics, but also, importantly, the improvement of the social environment.

UNESCO is a front organization and is sponsored by the Lucis Trust previously named the Lucifer Trust which was located at 666 United Nations.

Osprey - 7-25-2010 at 12:41 PM

Wow, professor, you continue to amaze and amuse. Now I can see that the kids that graffittied the waterfall were Mexican patriots, courageous scholars of world politics. Obviously they should not have been punished for their heroics and now I see how wrong I was for my little part in the thing. Thank you. Wow, I gotta go now, read up on the stuff you advise us about.

MsTerieus - 7-25-2010 at 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by Osprey
Wow, professor, you continue to amaze and amuse. Now I can see that the kids that graffittied the waterfall were Mexican patriots, courageous scholars of world politics. Obviously they should not have been punished for their heroics and now I see how wrong I was for my little part in the thing. Thank you. Wow, I gotta go now, read up on the stuff you advise us about.

Be careful of that "indoctrination through education," Osprey!

Hey Gnukid, I'm still waiting for an answer to my question: Which position did you end up with: I (and Skeet) am in cahoots with the Masons, or not? (Or maybe UNESCO)??

All: Check out the source (home page) of the first link (to "World Heritage"): http://www.crossroad.to/index.html Fundamentalist Christians?

[Edited on 7-25-2010 by MsTerieus]

Osprey - 7-25-2010 at 01:41 PM

Until things take a drastic turn I think I would much rather have UNESCO bullying people into protecting sensitive natural treasures by any kind of takeover or doctrine than have Mexico sell all the fish and animals, birds, hardwood, water and minerals to the first highest bidder.

Maybe the people around Mag Bay would argue with me but time will tell.

gnukid - 7-25-2010 at 01:55 PM

Nothing wrong with informing yourselves about history or UNESCO's origins and goals, versus the sovereign rights of independent countries and people, noting how this affects Santiago and the water falls and your access to the region.

You are under no obligation to recognize UNESCO or to make an agreement with their entities to pass to land or water. UNESCO has no authority or power nor should they be perceived to be anything but what they are - a failed socio-engineering tool.

Nor is there anything wrong with doing your own research into the historical influences that brought about UNESCO and understand their goals for a unified global empire under central control, namely Rothschild-Rhodes-Huxley-Milner Round Table-Bailey-Lucis Trust-Julian Huxley-UNESCO-CFR.

Pull out an encyclopedia and do your own research-it's not a secret.

Sir Julian Huxley, wrote, in “UNESCO: Its Purpose and Its Philosophy.” (1948),
“The general philosophy of UNESCO should be a scientific world humanism, global in extent and evolutionary in background…its education program it can stress the ultimate need for world political unity and familiarize all peoples with the implications of the transfer of full sovereignty from separate nations to a world organization…Political unification in some sort of world government will be required…Tasks for the media division of UNESCO (will be) to promote the growth of a common outlook shared by all nations and cultures…to help the emergence of a single world culture….Even though it is quite true that any radical eugenic policy will be for many years politically and psychologically impossible, it will be important for UNESCO to see that the eugenic problem is examined with the greatest care, and that the public mind is informed of the issues at stake so that much that now is unthinkable may at least become thinkable.”

[Edited on 7-25-2010 by gnukid]

gnukid - 7-25-2010 at 02:03 PM

There are two views about political history, the accidental or the conspiratorial-that is, either the course of history is an accident or the course of events was made to happen. There are few who would subscribe to the accidental view.

This is a war-call it world war 3 or whatever you want, the attackers are using the Fabian war strategy-that is 'gradualism' as opposed to direct conflict, Fabius promoted using harassment, irritation etc... any technique to reduce exposure in an attempt to win by attrition. You see that strategy in the socio-politics used by UNESCO to land grab toward unification of their empire and in use by on line agents/posters who are paid to support their agenda.

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