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Personal Gun in Baja

cjesme - 7-14-2010 at 04:49 PM

Does anyone have a handgun at home for protection?
Or, Definitely NOT!

noproblemo2 - 7-14-2010 at 04:59 PM

DEFINITELY NOT, but do have a flare gun for all the good it would do, thinking about a taser tho.

motoged - 7-14-2010 at 05:03 PM

Yes, I keep a loaded (one chambered) automatic 9mm in each room of my house, one in each vehicle, and always carry a throw-away in an ankle holster.

I can't imagine leaving home without one.

Smuggling guns into Baja is so easy, I never worry every time I cross the border packing.

As for Baja, I have a number of handguns and long guns stashed around a number of locations.

How about you? Or are you just trolling?

:lol:

DENNIS - 7-14-2010 at 05:09 PM

Good answer, Ged.
Personally, I obey the law. It says I can't have a firearm in my possesion and I know full well I can't.
That said, open my door without being asked to do so and I will end your life.

handguns in Mexico

Loretana - 7-14-2010 at 05:18 PM

Bring your 38 in stashed on your body (or preferably on your female companion) and keep it in your bedroom.
If you were to get caught bringing it in, there is a fianza (bailbond) of around $3000.00.

I feel a lot better when I'm home in Baja alone knowing that I know how to use a firearm, and will if the situation arises.

It doesn't compare to the weapons we have legally in Oregon, but it definitely is a manstopper. :dudette:

grace59 - 7-14-2010 at 05:25 PM

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Originally posted by motoged
Yes, I keep a loaded (one chambered) automatic 9mm in each room of my house, one in each vehicle, and always carry a throw-away in an ankle holster.

I can't imagine leaving home without one.

Smuggling guns into Baja is so easy, I never worry every time I cross the border packing.

As for Baja, I have a number of handguns and long guns stashed around a number of locations.

How about you? Or are you just trolling?

:lol:

Thanks for the laugh! I needed that! :lol:

OK, Let the Jokes Roll

Gypsy Jan - 7-14-2010 at 05:41 PM

But, if you are serious, here is what the rules were for Baja when we applied for a license. I do not know if the rules have changed since then or what the law is in Baja Sur.

1. You need to be a legal resident.
2. You need to join a sporting club that involves hunting and target shooting (Club de Tira y Pesca).
3. You have to make an application to the Ministeria de Defensa and they will do a background check.
4. You need to get a letter from your government of origin attesting that you have no record of criminal conduct and this will need to be notarized, with apostille attached and translated into Spanish by an official translator.

When we went through the process, certain guns were not allowed. What I vaguely remember is that shotguns, rifles and .38s were OK, but 9mms and any kind of semi-automatic was not.

Once you receive your "Permission to Transport Arms", you bring the gun into the country and register it at the armory that is responsible for your residential address.

I don't know if this has changed, but the law was that you could only purchase bullets legally from the armory, and the restriction was ten bullets per a certain time period.

chippy - 7-14-2010 at 05:45 PM

Gypsy your info. from what I have learned down here is true. The only thing I think you have wrong is the caliber of a handgun. That I believe is 32 cal.

BajaGringo - 7-14-2010 at 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
Personally, I obey the law. It says I can't have a firearm in my possesion and I know full well I can't.
That said, open my door without being asked to do so and I will end your life.

My answer exactly...

Yeah, Chippy

Gypsy Jan - 7-14-2010 at 05:50 PM

I was waffling about the caliber, I think that you are right.

Dave - 7-14-2010 at 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
Once you receive your "Permission to Transport Arms", you bring the gun into the country and register it at the armory that is responsible for your residential address.

No offense intended Jan but IMO, that's a really dumb idea.

I wouldn't want any Mexican authority to know I had a weapon.

Besides, you can buy black market cheaper than what you would pay in the States. And...no registration.

bajabass - 7-14-2010 at 06:13 PM

:light:

Thank you x 10!! I knew there had to be a legal way. Time to take up sporting clays and competitive .22 plinking! Which means the 9mm and the 30-30 get exchanged for a 12ga pump and a TC .22 :biggrin:

Fair trade.

BillP - 7-14-2010 at 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
But, if you are serious, here is what the rules were for Baja when we applied for a license. I do not know if the rules have changed since then or what the law is in Baja Sur.

1. You need to be a legal resident.
2. You need to join a sporting club that involves hunting and target shooting (Club de Tira y Pesca).
3. You have to make an application to the Ministeria de Defensa and they will do a background check.
4. You need to get a letter from your government of origin attesting that you have no record of criminal conduct and this will need to be notarized, with apostille attached and translated into Spanish by an official translator.

When we went through the process, certain guns were not allowed. What I vaguely remember is that shotguns, rifles and .38s were OK, but 9mms and any kind of semi-automatic was not.

Once you receive your "Permission to Transport Arms", you bring the gun into the country and register it at the armory that is responsible for your residential address.

I don't know if this has changed, but the law was that you could only purchase bullets legally from the armory, and the restriction was ten bullets per a certain time period.

Jan, the regular, everyday .38 special is not legal in MX, the .38 super, which is an oddball round is legal.

When I ran Turners in the valley, we used to keep extra .38 super in stock for the Mexican residents. One who spoke excellent english explained it to me, mexican residents could not own a gun in any caliber that the mexican govt (military, police, etc) used. The .38 super is a semi-auto round.
FWIW

bill erhardt - 7-14-2010 at 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Loretana
Bring your 38 in stashed on your body (or preferably on your female companion) and keep it in your bedroom.
If you were to get caught bringing it in, there is a fianza (bailbond) of around $3000.00.

I feel a lot better when I'm home in Baja alone knowing that I know how to use a firearm, and will if the situation arises.

It doesn't compare to the weapons we have legally in Oregon, but it definitely is a manstopper. :dudette:

cjesme.......I assume that Loretana is speaking with tongue in cheek in encouraging you to smuggle a gun into Mexico, but if you are seriously considering it you should be apprised that the $3,000 bond applies pretrial. Once convicted of illegal possession of a firearm in Mexico, you will go to jail. And you would probably not like spending time in a Mexican jail.
One of the nice things about living down here is that you don't need a gun, and because of the restrictions on firearms there are not a lot of paranoid fools walking around armed to the teeth.

Barry A. - 7-14-2010 at 08:34 PM

Thru the years, most of the Mexicanos I came to know well (mostly on Rancheros, or in remote beach campos) had weapons (often guns)-------they just didn't talk about them much, or expose them often.

There are a few bad people everywhere, and the police can't protect you-----they only investigate after something happens, and hopefully prosecute------by then it can be too late (for you).

You can come to your own conclusion.

Barry

BajaGringo - 7-14-2010 at 08:44 PM

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Originally posted by bill erhardt
One of the nice things about living down here is that you don't need a gun, and because of the restrictions on firearms there are not a lot of paranoid fools walking around armed to the teeth.

I agree that I haven't encountered anybody down here with a bunker stocked with a huge arsenal but I have found that most folks who live outside the metropolitan areas do own a gun. They just don't show it off to everybody - something different from most gun owners I have known NOB.

But don't kid yourself, they do have one. And they prefer that you don't know it...

just my 2c

bajaguy - 7-14-2010 at 08:50 PM

For a handgun, it would be a 38 Super.....similar ballistics to a 357.

If you want a good all around weapon, try a Marlin .410 lever action:

http://www.cabelas.com/p-0074720217313a.shtml

Can shoot shot (pellets) for small game and birds, or slugs for larger 4 legged (or 2 legged) animals.

Also several loadings for personal defense:

http://www.cabelas.com/p-0070306217030a.shtml

However, I believe in pepper spray, a green laser and a kids aluminum baseball bat. That green laser can really reach out and touch someone that is out of handgun or shotgun range.........just remember.....never, but never shine the laser in someones eyes!!!!!

fishabductor - 7-14-2010 at 08:58 PM

Green laser? does it hurt or something?

bajaguy - 7-14-2010 at 09:04 PM

May cause temporary or permanent blindness.......bad JU-JU for banditos:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_pointer

But if you must have one.........

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0013HR77S/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp...

Works like a champ

Mexicorn - 7-14-2010 at 10:00 PM

How about OC Spray?

bajaguy - 7-14-2010 at 10:03 PM

How about it....works good out to about 10 feet. Have the wind behind your back....squirt and run. Although there are some people that it doesn't work on.

Mexicorn - 7-14-2010 at 10:08 PM

Yea but is it legal? I cant spend another night in a Mexican jail.

bajaguy - 7-14-2010 at 10:11 PM

Well, nobody will know that you have it until you use it.......then hopefully, you will be about 15 miles away!!!!!!

If somebody is breaking into my place, that's the least of their worries........somebody is going to find them in a dumpster (or worse) the next morning

JESSE - 7-14-2010 at 10:55 PM

I have a Glock 25 that i purchsed a year ago from the Sedena store in Mexico City.

Be warned

Dave - 7-15-2010 at 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by bill erhardt
if you are seriously considering it you should be apprised that the $3,000 bond applies pretrial.

If caught with anything larger than a .32 you would legally not make bail. Even then, the chances of a gringo making bail with any unregistered weapon is very iffy.

dtbushpilot - 7-15-2010 at 12:24 AM

I realised years ago that I could use a bat, machete, fists, or whatever else was available to defend my self.....not that I'm some bad ass, just that I'm not a victim.....It's more about how you portray yourself...don't act like a potential victim and you probably won't become one.....dt

I flew Volaris from TJ to La Paz a few days ago. When I went through the line to go to the gate they made me go back to check my bag because I had a fishing reel in my carry on and it wasn't allowed. When I got to the inspector for my checked bag he looked at my tube of sun screen and the tube of pepper spray that was clipped to it.......I forgot about that.....

I told him it was sun screen.....glad he didn't try it out on me.....

[Edited on 7-15-2010 by dtbushpilot]

DavidE - 7-15-2010 at 07:39 AM

A firearm will do you no good whatsoever because ninety percent of personal security issues arise through surprise or ambush. Where I live a burglar could break into my locked house, I could shoot him with a legal or illegal firearm and the ministerio publico is going to be me in a reclusorio for a year, period, end of subject.

Purchase a professional grade plastic bottle sprayer at home depot or lowe's. When you get to Mexico purchase seveal cans of Chilies Escabeches (pickled chilies). La Castilla is a good spicy brand. Filter the drainings through a tea strainer or plastic strainer sold at any ferreteria in Mexico. Dump the juice into the spray bottle and adjust the spray to the narrowest stream. You can also do this with a child's water gun pump or other toy. You can also prepare your own mix of spray liquid by boiling a handful of HABANERO chilies in a liter of water for fifteen minutes, allow to cool then filter the liquid into the sprayer. Add just a dash of liquid dish soap for wetting action. This preparation works excellent on dogs and humans. If threatened, aim for the eyes, but bear in mind this stuff can damage the eyes.

If you are worried about security issues at night, a hanfull of marbles placed on the floor near point of suspected entry works wonders.

Hope This Helps

Dave - 7-15-2010 at 08:59 AM

All well and good but the overwhelming concern for most around these parts isn't home invasion. Discussion of personal protection among friends, Mexican and Gringo alike all revolves around concealed carry.

My home is well protected by Mr. Louisville Slugger.

Bajatripper - 7-15-2010 at 09:07 AM

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but it (a .38) definitely is a manstopper.

Actually, if I remember my firearm history correctly, the 45 was developed precisely because the 38 wasn't a manstopper--at least among those drug-crazed muslims who were such a problem to the invading English army. While the 38 did cause mortal wounds, it didn't blow the "aggresors" back so that they were still able to do bodily harm with their swords and knives.

Bottom line, if you live where all those drugged up hippies Skeet is always ranting about hang out, you might want to up it to a 45, just in case.

Bajatripper - 7-15-2010 at 09:26 AM

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Originally posted by Dave

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No offense intended Jan but IMO, that's a really dumb idea.

Dave
Just to clarify, Gypsy Jan was responding to a request for information by stating what the laws of the land are. There weren't any "dumb ideas" of hers expressed, but rather, as Joe Friday use to say, "nothing but the facts," other than her swag (scientific wild-assed guess--for non-Navy people) of the caliber involved.

fishabductor - 7-15-2010 at 09:45 AM

I have a spear gun, a high powered 22 cal air rifle that will shoot thru 3/4" plywood at 30 yds, 3 machetes, a 12oz can of bear mace that shoots 25' and has a 12' diameter and dyes what ever it hits bright orange, a flare pistol, a hictory ax handle as well as other items hidden around the house. I also have 4 dogs.

I was robbed last year, house was emptied. Now that I have an infant son, I am prepared for war!!

[Edited on 7-15-2010 by fishabductor]

DENNIS - 7-15-2010 at 09:48 AM

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Originally posted by fishabductor
I have a high powered 22 cal air rifle

I, for some reason, thought .22s were not allowed. They sell the .177 in the stores here, but I've yet to see a .22.

fishabductor - 7-15-2010 at 09:51 AM

I bought mine in San Jose del Cabo, they are definately legal. I am getting ready to buy another 22cal air rifle that runs off compressed air charged out of ascuba tank. It has 6 shots and the average speed is about 1200ft/s. They are however expensive at around $1000usd for the setup.

Here is a link to a Mexican airgun dealer.
http://www.co2airgunsmexico.com.mx/

I am looking at something similar to the Evanix AR6. however the AF condor is a hell of a rifle!!

[Edited on 7-15-2010 by fishabductor]

Dave - 7-15-2010 at 09:57 AM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper
Actually, if I remember my firearm history correctly, the 45 was developed precisely because the 38 wasn't a manstopper--at least among those drug-crazed muslims who were such a problem to the invading English army. While the 38 did cause mortal wounds, it didn't blow the "aggresors" back so that they were still able to do bodily harm with their swords and knives.

IMO, handgun choice should be based on shooter accuracy. If on target, a .38 gets the job done.

motoged - 7-15-2010 at 09:58 AM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper

Bottom line, if you live where all those drugged up hippies Skeet is always ranting about hang out, you might want to up it to a 45, just in case.

I would feel a whole lot safer with a bunch of stoned hippies than Skeet by the sounds of him recently :lol:

Seems like it is okay to tease him about his drinking, but not comparing him to a tweaker (person obsessed).....wtf is that about ?

DENNIS - 7-15-2010 at 10:14 AM

This looks like fun. Legal or not, don't get caught with it:

http://tinyurl.com/26x8fv4

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-15-2010 at 10:16 AM

We can start carrying firearms into Mexico?

YEAHHHHHHHHHHH!

fishabductor - 7-15-2010 at 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
This looks like fun. Legal or not, don't get caught with it:

http://tinyurl.com/26x8fv4

That is not legal...CO2 charged guns for some reason are not legal...But air charged guns are???? go figure.

I can't figure out why the mexico airgun site is called co2airguns mexico?

IF

MrBillM - 7-15-2010 at 10:44 AM

For Anyone who makes the choice to possess a self-defense handgun without legal documentation in Mexico, the MOST important thing you can do is make sure it is one with absolutely NO Paper Trail back to you.

Keep it secret, even from friends. Determine to use it ONLY in a necessary self-defense situation where the alternative would be a lot worse. It's not a magic-wand. Don't wave it around expecting awe and compliance. Never pull a gun unless you intend to use it. IF you have to use it, aim for greatest effect, especially with the light rounds you're likely to have available. If the privacy of the situation permits, immediately dispose of the "untraceable" weapon, dispose of any clothing that might retain residue and thoroughly scrub any exposed skin with Gasoline. You can always claim to have been working on your car. Get out of the area without attracting attention. Keep your mouth shut. Don't tell ANYBODY who wasn't there. Not your spouse and not your friends. Like Tony Soprano said, "You Never Admit to Nothing".

Since I don't spend time anymore exploring the wilds of Baja and am concerned mostly with home defense, I'm one of those who find the risk outweighs the likely benefit. Around home, I've got a Flare Gun, a Machete, Numerous Combat knives and Baseball Bats. Also, get a roll of Duct Tape to tape one of those knives to your fighting hand. Not an original idea, but effective.

In the U.S., where it's legal of course, I'm up to my Rump in Weaponry spread all over the place. Any home-invasion burglar is unlikely to leave alive. It sometimes puts off the salesmen who come to the door to be greeted with a pistol, but it adds to the rep. Doesn't seem to affect the Jehovah's, though. They never give up.

BajaGringo - 7-15-2010 at 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
For Anyone who makes the choice to possess a self-defense handgun without legal documentation in Mexico, the MOST important thing you can do is make sure it is one with absolutely NO Paper Trail back to you.

Keep it secret, even from friends. Determine to use it ONLY in a necessary self-defense situation where the alternative would be a lot worse. It's not a magic-wand. Don't wave it around expecting awe and compliance. Never pull a gun unless you intend to use it. IF you have to use it, aim for greatest effect, especially with the light rounds you're likely to have available. If the privacy of the situation permits, immediately dispose of the "untraceable" weapon, dispose of any clothing that might retain residue and thoroughly scrub any exposed skin with Gasoline. You can always claim to have been working on your car. Get out of the area without attracting attention. Keep your mouth shut. Don't tell ANYBODY who wasn't there. Not your spouse and not your friends. Like Tony Soprano said, "You Never Admit to Nothing".

Excellent advice. But you didn't hear it from me...

:lol:

I beleive Mr Eastwood settle this long ago

Santiago - 7-15-2010 at 01:48 PM

Woooosh - 7-15-2010 at 02:30 PM

No firearms really needed. I keep a sharpened machete in the garage for weed clearing, six dogs that bark like the dickens, a small stun-gun in the car door panel for driving (new since the last carjack attempt), and very sharp chef's knife set in the kitchen. We have several cans of long-distance wasp spray, although I've never seen a wasp here that had wings. A few dummy cameras outside and an security alarm help.

Don't know if any existing law covers TASERS here yet. They fire nitrogen-charged projectiles, but each cartridge is traceable to the purchaser, unlike bullets. If you were to get caught with a TASER or a handgun, which would be worse under Mexican Law ? I would think the handgun since existing laws are clear. Anyone know?

fishabductor - 7-15-2010 at 02:38 PM

Santiago

That was one of my favorite movies of all time and one of the best scenes.

:dudette:

Duddette likes it too!!

MsTerieus - 7-16-2010 at 12:09 PM

Hello, All. I have read this thread with interest. But much of the advice about alternative means of defense (e.g., machete, baseball bat, etc.) seem to require some male muscle behind them. When I move to Baja, I'll be a lone woman, possibly in an not-very-populous area. Aside from dogs (which I'll consider getting, although my cats might not appreciate it), does anybody have any recommendations for me? (I might consider getting a gun, but I guess it would be difficult to learn to use it in Mx, and I don't think I'm inclined to buy one and/or take lessons now, in the U.S.) Thanks in advance ....

MsTerieus - 7-16-2010 at 12:11 PM

PS: I suppose the pepper spray alternative might be the best. Where can you buy the stuff (ready-made, please!)

bajaguy - 7-16-2010 at 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by MsTerieus
PS: I suppose the pepper spray alternative might be the best. Where can you buy the stuff (ready-made, please!)

You can buy "the stuff" at most any sporting goods or hardware stores in the US. If you are in a medium to large US city, check the phone book for a uniform supply shop, they carry the pepper (OC) spray.

For a female (or anyone for that matter), I highly recommend the green laser......just push a button.....works like a laser pointer (which it is). Great for carrying in the car (above the visor), in your pocket or purse....looks like a pen.

bajafam - 7-16-2010 at 12:31 PM

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You'd be surprised how strong you'd become if you were faced in a life-threatening situation, armed with a machete.

I may not be big, or particularly strong, but I tell you what, if someone messes with my family and I WILL hack them to bits with my machete. Guaranteed.

cjesme - 7-17-2010 at 08:26 AM

Lots of information! Thank You! The Green laser sounds good. I don't think I want to spend time in jail so the gun is out. I am not jail material!! Pepper spray and a blow horn so neighbors know whats going on. Can't wait to get down to Baja!! I'll be seeing you this Friday Keri!! Baja is now HOME!

oldlady - 7-17-2010 at 09:03 AM

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Originally posted by MsTerieus
Hello, All. I have read this thread with interest. But much of the advice about alternative means of defense (e.g., machete, baseball bat, etc.) seem to require some male muscle behind them. When I move to Baja, I'll be a lone woman, possibly in an not-very-populous area. Aside from dogs (which I'll consider getting, although my cats might not appreciate it), does anybody have any recommendations for me? (I might consider getting a gun, but I guess it would be difficult to learn to use it in Mx, and I don't think I'm inclined to buy one and/or take lessons now, in the U.S.) Thanks in advance ....

If I still lived in the US I would obtain a suitable firearm, learn to use it, practice and carry whenever legally possible. Biggest mistake we made was not bringing the Belgian Browning with us.

No one can get on our property without great effort, tools and causing a stir. But if they do....first they have to clear the dogs, then
I've kept wasp spray for years, can of Easy Off oven cleaner also. We have flare guns, other weapons. Be creative. As so recently publicized, it doesn't take much strength for a woman with a golf club to put a guy without a gun down and then become acquainted with the working end oF a French Chef's knife. These invasions aren't typically "pros". Their young, stupid, and often not completely sober.

It all sounds a bit much? Most suggestions came from my walled in Mexican friends, some of their homes are liked armed camps.

fishabductor - 7-17-2010 at 09:10 AM

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Originally posted by oldlady

It all sounds a bit much? Most suggestions came from my walled in Mexican friends, some of their homes are liked armed camps.

I agree most the mexicans I know don't mess around when it comes to personal protection. The new home I am getting ready to build will be fortified, with bared windows and heavy steel doors. .

[Edited on 7-18-2010 by fishabductor]

fishabductor - 7-17-2010 at 09:13 AM

This would be cool to have in baja. It would definately get someones attention!!

Fully auto bb gun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YojjFfhpHRg&feature=relat...

[Edited on 7-17-2010 by fishabductor]

Male muscle? Oh my...

Lee - 7-17-2010 at 10:04 AM

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Agreed. It's doubtful that the average woman could swing a machete or baseball bat. Too bad.

Long distance weapons: spears, throwing spikes and hatchets, gun

Medium distance: machete, baseball bat, cat-o-nine tail, gun

Close in: knife, taser, stun gun, small caliber pistol

Keep a guard dog close by.

Bringing the Right Gun to the Fight

MrBillM - 7-17-2010 at 12:43 PM

When choosing a self-defense handgun, While a small-caliber choice might be unavoidable, it's worth noting that relying on a small-caliber requires accurate placement or plain old luck. It's true that many professional assassins use 22s, but they are excellent at placement.

Years ago, there was an article in Guns & Ammo describing an alcoholic encounter between a Big guy and another couple. After being threatened by the bigger guy, the other male pulled out a .380. In defense, he shot and hit twice. At which point, the person shot proceeded to beat him to death. The female picked up the .380, fired and hit multiple times without scoring a disabling shot. The drunk with multiple-wounds then killed her.

It's said about a .45 ACP that ANY hit is a disabling one. The first rule of a gunfight has been expressed as "don't bring any caliber that doesn't start with a 4". That isn't always possible or practical, especially in Mexico assuming you could get a pistol permit.

Today's self-defense ammo somewhat mitigates the small-caliber disadvantage, but many semi-autos have less than consistent performance with other than Jacketed Ball ammo. I've got two compact .380s and a 9mm that will jam "too" frequently on other than jacketed ball.

Of course, the casual user looking for last-ditch self-defense is better off with a Revolver anyway. Less to think about. Just aim center-mass and shoot until the hammer clicks on a spent round. Unless there's more than one Bad guy.

[Edited on 7-17-2010 by MrBillM]

Mr. BillM, If You Invite Me Over to Dinner

Gypsy Jan - 7-17-2010 at 06:07 PM

I promise to show up unarmed and with dessert.

You can take care of my stalkers.

bajamedic - 7-17-2010 at 07:29 PM

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy136/micpib1/26373_13950...

I was thinking that this would be a handy tool to keep around. You could build a fence at 300 yards while sitting in your lawn chair. You never know what else it could be good for. Haha JH

[Edited on 7-18-2010 by bajamedic]

[Edited on 7-18-2010 by bajamedic]

fishabductor - 7-17-2010 at 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by bajamedic
http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy136/micpib1/26373_13950...

I was thinking that this would be a handy tool to keep around. You could build a fence at 300 yards while sitting in your lawn chair. You never know what else it could be good for. Haha JH

[Edited on 7-18-2010 by bajamedic]

[Edited on 7-18-2010 by bajamedic]

Fully automatic drill?

woody with a view - 7-17-2010 at 07:45 PM

nail gun!

woody with a view - 7-17-2010 at 09:27 PM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
May cause temporary or permanent blindness.......bad JU-JU for banditos:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_pointer

But if you must have one.........

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0013HR77S/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp...

Works like a champ

just bought one.

Santiago - 7-17-2010 at 09:28 PM

I own no weapon of any kind. I sleep with doors and windows wide open. Right now my truck is in my driveway, widows down to cool off. Will be all night. I do not know where the key to my front door is or even if I have one. I buried my dog, a doxie, a few years ago and never got another. I gave all my baseball bats to the kids in Asuncion. I've thought about a machete but never got around to getting one. Once thought about getting a pistol and my buddy got his out to show me his and accidentally put a round right through a $100k orchestrion (player piano) we were restoring. My ears still ring from that one.
I'm working on the theory that the gods protect the idiots and simpletons and I'm happy with that.
I do, however, keep a two-handed spey rod over-lined a couple of weights with a big a** hook on the end; I'm getting pretty good at whipping it around a post and burying that sucker in where I think the jugular would be. No sense being completely naked out there, right?

mtgoat666 - 7-18-2010 at 08:59 AM

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Originally posted by fishabductor

Quote:

Originally posted by oldlady

It all sounds a bit much? Most suggestions came from my walled in Mexican friends, some of their homes are liked armed camps.

barred windows and heavy steel doors?????? :?:

that is sad. if you need bars and walls and steel doors to feel comfortable, you need to relocate. here in san diego we have no walls or gates and have had but maybe 1 burglary in neighorhood in 5 years. it's safe, no one has bars on windows, no one worries about arming themselves,...

if you are so worried about crime in mexico, you should move back to the states. if you want to live in rural low-crime community, there are many to choose from.

cjesme - 7-18-2010 at 09:07 AM

I would never live all closed in either, but I do want some kind of personal protection when out and about by myself. Pepper spray sounds the best. I am not afraid of Mexico or its people. There are good and bad every where. Just a little protection either in CA or Baja is a good idea!

MsTerieus - 7-18-2010 at 11:43 AM

Dear All: Thanks very much for all the creative suggestions!

Old Lady: I appreciated your advice, particularly. You make a good point about most invaders not being pros. (Still, I would not want to count on my being capable of beating him up; I'm a wimp.)

Lee: Thanks for expressing my views, exactly: Regardless of the amount of adrenaline running in her veins, I would not bet on an average-sized woman being able to get the advantage over an average sized man, even with a machete or bat. The invader's adrenaline could be pumped up too.

Bajaguy -- About the green laser: does it only do damage when aimed at the eyes? Or is the idea just to freak out the invader???

MsT

Cypress - 7-18-2010 at 11:44 AM

About the flare modification? What happened to that post? Maybe it was on another topic? Curious?

The Delivery

Osprey - 7-18-2010 at 03:21 PM

The Delivery

My uncle Judd moved to Mexico many moons ago. He was always a little quirky so the family was not surprised. He bought a lot in south central Baja California in a little town right on the beach. Had a house built there, hauled down a boat and a trailer full of stuff and hunkered down to fish and vegetate. I meant to go down there, visit with him, see the place, maybe go fishing but I’ve been busy up here in the states and just never got around to it until now.

My dad had some guns that belonged to uncle Judd and when I inherited all my dad’s hunting and fishing stuff I really wasn’t sure which was which. Then Judd sent me some Emails with serial numbers and I was able to match up three of them. He said he wanted me to drive down, bring the guns, do some fishing. I asked him if I would get in trouble if the Mexicans found the guns in my car and he assured me that the letter he was going to send me, giving specific permission, would be enough to satisfy them. It looked official enough but I don’t read Spanish so I really don’t know what the hell it said.

Looks like ole Judd really knows his way around down there because I had no trouble getting in – I hid the guns and ammo in a safe place in the truck, got the green light and was on my way. The kids with the automatic weapons spooked me a little at the military stops but, again, Judd had clued me in and there was no trouble on the road. So two days and nights and I found my way to Judd’s place. It was just after dusk. He sent me several maps and I had his cell number; I called him a bunch of times on the trip but there was no answer.

It would have been hard for me not to recognize the house because Judd had sent me some pix in Email messages so I knew I had the right house. Bunch of lights came on when I parked near the huge metal gate. There was a high wall around the whole property and more lights shined off the party colored bits of broken bottles cemented all along the top.

Then I heard “Butch, is that you? Go back to the truck and honk three times, then turn the truck lights off, walk back to the gate stand in the circle of light.”

So I did and after a minute or two he came out and let me in. We opened the big gate and I swung the truck into his big garage. The house was big, two stories with big steel doors and bars on all the windows. As I followed him into the living area, as we passed down a hall, through a small atrium with a fountain he stopped and put some weapons back into little hiding places.

“Judd, I’ve been calling you off and on for two days. No answer.”

“Sorry Butch, I ran out of minutes and I’ve been so busy here I just didn’t have time to go get more time on the cell phone.”

“What’s with all the lights and security, the hidden guns, have you been robbed, burglarized?”

“Nope, just better to be safe than sorry. I’ve got stuff all over. Near the rear door and the garage door I’ve got some weapons handy, some mace, wasp spray. I got most of the stuff down here but the ammo is really hard to come by.”

“I didn’t know the cartels were active this far down. Most of the news about the kidnappings and killings says they are along the border and in some places on the mainland.”

“Well Butch, we don’t have much protection down here. The police are a joke and bad guys can just roam up and down the peninsula without being noticed, then strike any rich gringo they see who hasn’t protected himself properly.”

“But what about when you’re out and about? You don’t stay in the house all the time. You must go out to fish, visit friends, go shopping, buy things for the house, stuff to maintain the place, the cars, and the boat.”

“Yeah but when I do leave, I have some weapons in the vehicles, some mace, some pepper spray and the house is really buttoned up tight.”

“Uncle Judd, all that sounds like a lot of trouble, a real pain in the butt. And who writes you a nice official letter if you get caught with those guns? Can’t they lock you up for that, deport you, maybe take the house?”

He got us both a beer from the fridge and we sat down on his big leather couch in the great room. “It’s a little risky but I’m used to it and it’s worth it to me just to be living down here in paradise.”

We didn’t go fishing. In fact, after coffee the next morning I told my uncle I had to get back, had some work I left unfinished. By the time he unlocked and deactivated and unsecured the place enough for me to get my truck back outside the big steel gate I was more than ready to head back up the highway.

Some paradise. He can have it. Anybody lives like that on purpose is just one taquito shy of a Mexican combo. Maybe when Judd decided this was the place to retire, he didn’t look at other options.

[Edited on 7-18-2010 by Osprey]

MsTerieus - 7-18-2010 at 03:55 PM

Good story! Thanks,Osprey.

dtbushpilot - 7-18-2010 at 03:58 PM

Good story Jorge.....dt

fishabductor - 7-18-2010 at 04:16 PM

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It all sounds a bit much? Most suggestions came from my walled in Mexican friends, some of their homes are liked armed camps.

barred windows and heavy steel doors?????? :?:

There is a big difference between san diego and the eastcape. The biggest being communication. We have no phones, no cell service, no police presence for months at a time...no one to turn to for help if/when there's an emergency.

In the last year there have been something like 20 robberies on the eastcape. A security guy got his head cut off, a plane was stolen....etc. Our home was also robbed, my buddies home twice, once when he went out fishing in the boat for a couple of hours. My truck has been broken into as well. Last week there were a handfull of robberies in La Ribera.

We live in an area with no police, no phones, nothing or nobody to rely on besides yourself. In the summer it is empty, empty houses, no people besides a few locals and a random tourist.

The idea of a home invasion out here is scary. You are on your own. If someone wants to come in, You had best be ready to defend yourself...period.... you are it..there is no one else to rely on.

If this happened in Buena Vista, where it is fairly well populated, has lights, phones, cops..etc....all of which we have none of. This is also the main reason why I love it on the eastcape.

I have no desire to go back to the states, at this point in my life. But things can and do change. If I just went thru what the couple in Buena Vista went thru the other night. We'd probably hang it up. :no:

fishabductor - 7-18-2010 at 04:28 PM

I can relate to uncle judd....

desertcpl - 7-18-2010 at 04:45 PM

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It all sounds a bit much? Most suggestions came from my walled in Mexican friends, some of their homes are liked armed camps.

barred windows and heavy steel doors?????? :?:

well thats a bit to much for me, I love Baja but I would not put my wife thru that, I would love to have a place in Baja but it would have to be some place that we both could feel safe

Osprey - 7-18-2010 at 04:47 PM

I didn't hear about any robberies in La Ribera. Can you tell me more? Thanks fishnapper.

You must have known all about living out in the puckerbrush before you built/bought your home there. You wanted to be left alone. This is not what you bargained for but you were a pioneer knowing there were some dangers. Pal, you had other options too. Hang in there podna.

fishabductor - 7-18-2010 at 05:04 PM

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I didn't hear about any robberies in La Ribera. Can you tell me more? Thanks fishnapper.

You must have known all about living out in the puckerbrush before you built/bought your home there. You wanted to be left alone. This is not what you bargained for but you were a pioneer knowing there were some dangers. Pal, you had other options too. Hang in there podna.

The eastcape is where my wife grew up, where my parents retired. We have a couple pieces of property but we have not built on them. The eastcape is where I have lived the majority of the last 8 years and it is where I work, and live at this point in my life. However, the eastcape/baja is probably not were we'll spend the rest of our lives given our infant son and his education.

When I first came out here 8 years ago, there were no issues, no robberies...etc. All this has started in the last 2-3 years.

About the robberies in LR, my brother in law told me about them. We have a lot of family in La Ribera. I think they were mexicans who got robbed, but I am not certain. Not only us Gringos are being targeted.

I love baja, and the fishing makes me turn a blind eye to a lot of things.

[Edited on 7-19-2010 by fishabductor]

bajaguy - 7-18-2010 at 07:12 PM

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Bajaguy -- About the green laser: does it only do damage when aimed at the eyes? Or is the idea just to freak out the invader???

MsT

Yes

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green lasers , bug spray, pepper spray legality

lesd - 7-20-2010 at 12:24 AM

I own a strong green laser pointer. I just don't see how this would be effective as a defense weapon at all. If you wanted to try to cause eye damage with it, you would have to train it on the bad guys eye for more that a flash. Not easy if he is running at you. Even harder if they are far away. Just try holding the spot on a stop sign at 50 ft , you won't get it in a circle smaller that a few inches across. It will be dancing around in a crazy pattern. Now try it when you think you are being attacked ( less calm ).

Other mentions of bats, big knives, bug spray, etc have me scratching my head as well. From what I hear, many MX holdups include a firearm. They are easy to get on the black market. Your out of luck there, for the most part.

I am picking up a LARGE pepper spray for my camper trip next week. By large, I mean almost a lb of fluid, and it looks like a small fire extinguisher, about 9 inches tall. Fifty bucks.
I figure it is better than nothing.

One Question: What are the official rules concerning pepper spray in MX ? I will put a fir extinguisher sticker on it anyway, but I want to be aware.

805gregg - 7-20-2010 at 08:16 PM

Just get a good Beeman air rifle, it will be lethal if fired at the torso. and it's legal.

Barry A. - 7-20-2010 at 08:44 PM

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Just get a good Beeman air rifle, it will be lethal if fired at the torso. and it's legal.

I have one of those------good suggestion, Gregg. Are you sure it is legal in Mexico, tho??

Barry

lesd - 7-20-2010 at 11:19 PM

One shot ?

Anybody know of an air gun that fires more, and delivers some energy in the round as well ? It' gotta do more than sting.... there is that Russian BB gun thing, maybe make up for thing by firing a barrage of bb's :lol:

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Just get a good Beeman air rifle, it will be lethal if fired at the torso. and it's legal.

pacificobob - 7-21-2010 at 06:36 AM

bring an air rifle to a gunfight...now thats rich. i would recomend that all the frigtened folks go live somewhere where they feel is safe.

Pescador - 7-21-2010 at 07:47 AM

I guess I was fortunate to grow up in small mountain communities in the Wester United States, because we learned to pretty much take responsibility for out own safety and the well being of the family. I took that same attitude with me when I moved to Mexico and instead of thinking that the police were there to protect me and provide me safe haven, I knew that I would have to accept some of the responsibility for my own safety. It was obvious early on that places where you had a large influx of people would not even be on the radar screen as far as possible places to locate my house, so I quickly wrote off places like Ensenada, San Quintin, Cabo San Lucas, or others and instead settled in on smaller villages. I worked very hard to learn the language and tried to become a part of the community where I lived. I know that when something bad goes down that things are so small and everyone is so involved that it is very easy to get the information about who might be doing what to whom (although not always accurate) but it gives me a good idea about who to avoid and who to watch. The locals have been surviving this situation for a long time and they seem to know who might be on crack cocaine or who might have loose fingers. I also learned early on to make sure that things are always put away and the doors locked and closed in the garage and storage areas. I do not answer the door at night unless I know who is there and I take other precautions, but one of the things that I don't do is feel a false sense of security by packing a firearm. I had a friend who did do that and got caught and ended up spending close to $20,000, once a week trips to La Paz for probation for over a year, and untold dollars in motel and food costs while going through the court process. So for me, that is not an acceptable solution. I think all anti gun laws are stupid and totally ineffective, but I do not let that feeling cloud the situation, and since I choose to live in Mexico I have to live within the system and make do with what is at my disposal.
Each person has to make a decision about what they choose to do and this is a very important issue to be discussing and hopefully people will think about it and come up with workable solutions to their own unique situations.

DENNIS - 7-21-2010 at 08:01 AM

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Just get a good Beeman air rifle, it will be lethal if fired at the torso. and it's legal.

Those Beemans are wimps compared to this baby...1600 FPS:

http://tinyurl.com/2fudqn5

fishabductor - 7-21-2010 at 08:22 AM

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bring an air rifle to a gunfight...now thats rich. [/quote

Bring this airgun to a gunfight and you'll do all right.

9mm, 6 shot repeater, lever action. They also make a 45cal and a 50 cal but they are single shot. These are legal. we spoke to the company a few days a go and they will ship the CSL or anywhere else in Mexico. This is a mexican company.
http://www.co2airgunsmexico.com.mx/product_info.php?cPath=14...

Look at pyramid airguns for In the USA

fishabductor - 7-21-2010 at 08:29 AM

Here is info off the attached site. photos of the gun and reviews are also at this location.

Stunning hunting power from a 9mm air rifle! The Career 707 9mm Ultra is a completely different gun than the standard 707. Its awesome power takes game with amazing authority. While other air rifles can send pellets roaring downrange over 900 fps, imagine what power you'll get when you send 9mm lead pellets flying out the bore!

Because the magazine permits only short pellets, we recommend that you use ONLY our 77-grain Eun Jin pellets. If you want to shoot heavier pellets and even lead pistol bullets in 9mm, buy our Fire 201S 9mm single-shot rifle.

The 9mm Ultra shares some of the great features of the smallbore Career 707...a multi-shot magazine, lever-action c-cking, two air reservoirs, a built-in manometer (air pressure gauge) and adjustable power levels. That's where the similarities end!

The Career Ultra is a larger, heavier rifle, and the air reservoirs hold 500cc of high-pressure air. With 6-8 rounds in a clip, finishing shots are easy to deliver. You'll be able to hunt all day if you pre-load extra clips. The front sight is a hooded bead, while the rear is fully adjustable. Career rifles are known for their extreme accuracy at distances usually reserved for firearms, so mounting a high-quality scope on the 11mm rails lets you place shots exactly where you want them.

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Career_707_9mm_Ultra/307

[Edited on 7-21-2010 by fishabductor]

Baja&Back - 7-21-2010 at 09:34 PM

Want an effective weapon for up to 20 feet?

Try Raid Wasp & Hornet bomb.
Get 'em in the face & they are gone to the hospital.
Almost as good as a pistol @ 20' and non-lethal.
Legal to possess EVERYWHERE!

Recommended to me by a Highway Patrolman. Always have it by the door of my RV.

Hope this helps!

bajaguy - 7-22-2010 at 05:24 AM

If you let someone get within 20 feet of you, they are too close