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They're Baaaack (Seiners/Trawler)

Russ - 7-22-2010 at 07:00 AM

These pics are in the area where Bob & Susan caught their dorado the other day. http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=46823 If there are"lots of bait balls" as they saw then they're numbers will drastically shrink along with what ever is feeding on them. Sorry about the quality of the photos. It is really hazy this morning.









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wessongroup - 7-22-2010 at 07:21 AM

Is this legal fishing ?

Sorry if this has been asked and answered before... just can't remember if it has...

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Russ - 7-22-2010 at 07:25 AM

I haven't gotten an official take on whether it's legal or not. When the Navy comes through while they're here they vanish for a day or two.

wessongroup - 7-22-2010 at 07:36 AM

To bad... seems a shame, as they are not helping themselves nor their Country, by doing what they are doing, as enforcement would seem to be really pretty easy..

It's not like you would not know where they are going to be... as you have shown these folks ... repeatedly fishing right in the same area for the past 10 months ..

Seems again, something as simple as a "security camera" installed by Agency could effectively eliminate the practice rather quickly..

Russ - 7-22-2010 at 08:25 AM

Our logic does not work below the boarder:rolleyes:

Pompano - 7-22-2010 at 08:54 AM

These purse seiners have been working the Mulege area for as long as I can remember..with impunity.

We went hoarse years ago from all our complaining, but we still keep at it.

Thanks for reporting, Russ. Sooner or later, thier time will run out.

flyfishinPam - 7-22-2010 at 09:39 AM

the boats (trawlers) that I complained about last week wre checked by FONMAR ad found to have permits for escama (scaled fish).. So I ask the FONMAR guy what the hell species are they catching by dragging the bottom? he says sometimes they catch sierra like that. what a frigging destructive method to fish for sierra or whatever it is they're permitted for. FONMAR guy says to me the problem is they get those permits from DF by people who have NO CLUE. Ya think? Time for a change and only the people can do that...SINDICATO en Loreto, SINDICATO en Mulege y en toda las partes para unificarnu estros voces y poner prension muy fuerte en nuestros funcionarios y lideres que trabajan por nosotros!!

Bob and Susan - 7-22-2010 at 10:19 AM

i was there today...

no trawlers
they must have moved north

only 3 pangas on the water
the normal guys

lots of bait
birds
flying fish
small dorado jumping (green)
the water is FULL of tropical fish too

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Russ - 7-22-2010 at 10:50 AM

I've been busy this morning and didn't see them leave. But just looked out and there's a seiner way out side by the point and the trawler is right near the beach in the corner of the Santa Inez beach. If the wind stays down I'll head that way tomorrow. Did you catch any thing?
Pam, I guess if all those you mentioned were organized enough it would be an impressive group to make some changes. But still you have to deal with DF law makers. The sadineros I saw this morningl were painted the same.. Red & White.

wessongroup - 7-22-2010 at 10:55 AM

Was curious as to the "why"... would appear that we, in the United States are at the "root" of this situation, at this time..

In the accompanying article from Sportfishingmag.com

http://www.sportfishingmag.com/news/news/mexican-fishing-maf...

It is stated that the "catch" is going to California, via Nogales to AZ to CA.. not a pleasing fact ..

There is also some very interesting information on Agency, their funding and the Politics of fishing in Sea of Cortez and would most likely applied to all ocean waters of Mexico's coast line..

A somewhat chilling call again.. as we are also the cause to a large degree for all the violence related to transportation of illegal drugs across the border into the United States for our consumption..

Would appear the latter is fading fast, as City after City is adopting measures with will allow for the "permitted" grown of "pot"... permit fee in Oakland $251,000 dollars plus tax... just passed...

But, for the trawlers ... would appear they will continue as long as there is "demand" from the United States.. at this time...

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BMG - 7-22-2010 at 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by Pompano

Sooner or later, thier time will run out.
Probably around the same time they run out of fish to catch.

bajabass - 7-22-2010 at 12:21 PM

Very sad, but very true BMG!:no:

BMG - 7-27-2010 at 11:54 AM

Quote:
Petition by the Commons to King Edward III, 1376

The commons petition the King, complaining that where in creeks and havens of the sea there used to be plenteous fishing, to the profit of the Kingdom, certain fishermen, for several years past have subtily contrived an instrument called the “wondyrechaun” made in the manner of an oyster dredge, but which is considerably longer, upon which instrument is attached a net so close meshed that no fish, be it ever so small which enters therein can escape, but must stay and be taken.

And that the great and long iron of the wondyrechaun runs so heavily and hardly over the ground when fishing that it destroys the flowers of the land below water there, and also the spat of oysters, mussels and other fish upon which the great fish are accustomed to be fed and nourished. By which instrument in many places, the fishermen take such quantity of small fish that they do not know what to do with them; and that they feed and fat their pigs with them, to the great damage of the commons of the realm and the destruction of the fisheries, and they pray for a remedy.

mtgoat666 - 7-27-2010 at 12:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BMG
Quote:
Petition by the Commons to King Edward III, 1376

The commons petition the King, complaining that where in creeks and havens of the sea there used to be plenteous fishing, to the profit of the Kingdom, certain fishermen, for several years past have subtily contrived an instrument called the “wondyrechaun” made in the manner of an oyster dredge, but which is considerably longer, upon which instrument is attached a net so close meshed that no fish, be it ever so small which enters therein can escape, but must stay and be taken.

And that the great and long iron of the wondyrechaun runs so heavily and hardly over the ground when fishing that it destroys the flowers of the land below water there, and also the spat of oysters, mussels and other fish upon which the great fish are accustomed to be fed and nourished. By which instrument in many places, the fishermen take such quantity of small fish that they do not know what to do with them; and that they feed and fat their pigs with them, to the great damage of the commons of the realm and the destruction of the fisheries, and they pray for a remedy.


yes, man destroyed many of the great fish stocks long before the industrial revolution ushered in super seiners, long liners, factory ships, acid rain and global warming.

Read the book "Cod: A Biography of the Fish That Changed the World" by Mark Kurlansky. Interseting book, and tells about how European appetites for seafood decimated the fish stocks of the Atlantic.

Cypress - 7-27-2010 at 12:36 PM

mtgoat666, Read "Cod: A Biography of the Fish That Changed the World" some time back. Agree it is a very interesting book, sometimes looking into the past gives us a glimpse of the future.

805gregg - 7-27-2010 at 07:57 PM

I've seen pictures of anglers in Catalina pulling huge black sea bass up on the beach, and left to rot. It reminds me of the slaughter of the Buffalo. Now also in short supply.

wessongroup - 7-27-2010 at 08:09 PM

Perhaps the concern will eventually bear fruit.. all these positive voices on the need of conservation is a very uplifting feeling for me... thank you all.. as it all helps...

durrelllrobert - 7-28-2010 at 10:42 AM

3 purse seiners working todosa santos bay here in ensenada this a.m. :mad:

dtbushpilot - 7-28-2010 at 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by 805gregg
I've seen pictures of anglers in Catalina pulling huge black sea bass up on the beach, and left to rot. It reminds me of the slaughter of the Buffalo. Now also in short supply.


When were the pictures taken? Can you find and post them? thanks.....dt