BajaNomad - Bringing meat to Baja

Bringing meat to Baja

Phil C - 7-22-2010 at 05:25 PM

I've looked on the SECTUR website but have been unable to find anything. Can we take pork and beef to Baja for personal consuption. I know we take baconand pork chops and steaks and whatever, but we've never been questioned about it at the border. Wonder what the real rules are?

Meat

Loretana - 7-22-2010 at 05:47 PM

Phil

Technically, you can't take beef, pork, or cheese, for that matter. You can take poultry.
If you fly, I have a solution. u2u me.

If you drive, hide it and go around the guys at the Fitosanitaria checkpoint at Guerrero Negro. Take the airport road and come out around the backside of town. It's your food, after all. They love to eat US foodstuffs. :smug:

rts551 - 7-22-2010 at 05:51 PM

Do you also support people going over the fence into the US?

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Originally posted by Loretana
Phil

Technically, you can't take beef, pork, or cheese, for that matter. You can take poultry.
If you fly, I have a solution. u2u me.

If you drive, hide it and go around the guys at the Fitosanitaria checkpoint at Guerrero Negro. Take the airport road and come out around the backside of town. It's your food, after all. They love to eat US foodstuffs. :smug:

Phil C - 7-22-2010 at 07:20 PM

Loretana. Yes I know about the Guerrero Negro deal, my friend was caught there a couple of years ago, he made them burn his meat in front of him, wouldn't leave it with them. I did't know if this was a BCS thing or Mexico thing. We've never even been asked at the border. Just wondering what the "real rules" were. BTW if those folks hopping over the fence were hauling some fine Sonoran beef I might entertain them for awhile.

rts551 - 7-22-2010 at 07:58 PM

Just pointing out she was proposing an illegal act in a foreign country to include avoiding officials at a checkpoint by sneaking their way around.

Not that much different than sneaking into the US

Sneaking Beef vs. Illegal Immigration ?

MrBillM - 7-22-2010 at 08:06 PM

Now, THAT is a Stupid Comparison.

A law is a law is a law is a law ?

Illegal Parking and Murder ?

SURE. Why not ?

rts551 - 7-22-2010 at 08:11 PM

Now Bill, I am sure you are aware that your and Arizona's argument is the "law is the law".

on edit. sorry for being stupid. :lol:

[Edited on 7-23-2010 by rts551]

Fence hoppers

Loretana - 7-22-2010 at 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by rts551
Do you also support people going over the fence into the US?

Reply......

Personally, I don't give a rip about illegal immigration.

I do know that I live in a rural farming community (when I'm not in Loreto) and that without immigrant workers from Mexico, the plant nurseries, potato, onion, nut and berry growers who are my neighbors would be without a workforce.

I guess I do support fence hoppers. :saint:

[Edited on 7-23-2010 by Loretana]

David K - 7-22-2010 at 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by rts551
Do you also support people going over the fence into the US?

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Wow... is that REALLY what you think???

Ralph, the road around the airport is an open, public right-of-way... It does NOT cross an international border, either.

There are other roads that cross into Baja Sur as well... It is not anyone's fault that the local government doesn't set up check points there, as well. No laws are broken by driving into Baja Sur on any OPEN road.

There is nothing similar about that to crossing into another country illegally, and intentionally... nothing.

DianaT - 7-22-2010 at 09:03 PM

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Originally posted by rts551
Do you also support people going over the fence into the US?

I do, at least most of them.

Have watched and seen many arriving that way and would NOT turn them in.

So can I keep taking meat in Baja? :biggrin:

But rts551, I do get your point----for most it is a matter of selective laws---like this one, so support it, don't like that one, so I will do what I want----

I think we all do it to some extent--

Like driving on the beach----selective law abiding---but some then become sanctamonious about other laws.

Edited to insert the important NOT---would never turn anyone in-!

[Edited on 7-24-2010 by DianaT]

rts551 - 7-22-2010 at 09:06 PM

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Originally posted by David K

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Originally posted by rts551
Do you also support people going over the fence into the US?

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David
Violating another countries law is similar. Or where do you draw the line? The proposal was to intentionally avoid officials in order to smuggle beef within the country of Mexico.

Phil C - 7-22-2010 at 10:01 PM

Well, guess I better go back to the SECTUR website and search some more.........

Pescador - 7-23-2010 at 05:45 AM

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Originally posted by Phil C
Well, guess I better go back to the SECTUR website and search some more.........

Did you really expect an answer? :no:

Lista - 7-23-2010 at 06:21 AM

I take frozen beef, lamb, pork and milk into BCN twice a year. I take it out of my freezer pack it in dry ice, drive 30 hours. It is not hidden and have never had it taken from me. I tape the cooler with grey tape so it keeps the air out. They have asked what it was, but never made me open it. I know that not knowing the law doesn't make it ok to break it, I just really never gave it a thought.
With the exception of one package when I was coming back into the US, because it is not store bought, there is no USDA stamp and I had to turn it over. I will probably keep trying though, grilled lamb chops, cervesa, a view of cortez?? I'll take my chances...
a law is a law is a law?? eeeeeww, I'll leave that one alone!

David K - 7-23-2010 at 06:47 AM

What is the 'law' for, anyway... Is it a 'law'? It began as a hyper-emotional response to Mad Cow Disease... which isn't even an issue, and U.S. beef is USDA inspected, etc. Is beef from a butcher in Mexico safer and more inspected... really?

So, you think the beef we buy in our markets is dangerous and we should pick the one and only road that has a 'meat checkpoint' to go into BCS, and avoid all the other roads?

Again, it is the Mexican officials who decide where to have a checkpoint and when to man it, not our fault if it is closed on Hwy. 1 or we are going south from Punta San Francisquito to Vizcaino, or the other roads south where there is no checkpoint.

cj5orion - 7-23-2010 at 06:57 AM

I always take down what I need.
steak,pork,chix,whatever.

laws are laws,,,,,but sometimes,,,,"jus doesnt apply"

Anybody,,,,that tries to deprive me of a good steak on the barby

AINT HAPPENIN BABY !!!

dtbushpilot - 7-23-2010 at 07:38 AM

Didn't take long for this one to go in the crapper.....dt

DENNIS - 7-23-2010 at 07:57 AM

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Originally posted by Phil C
I've looked on the SECTUR website but have been unable to find anything. Can we take pork and beef to Baja for personal consuption. I know we take baconand pork chops and steaks and whatever, but we've never been questioned about it at the border. Wonder what the real rules are?

I think if you saw all the Mexican shoppers in the meat department at Costco, Chula Vista, and other stores, it would give you a good idea.
Why do I assume the shoppers are from Mexico? Baja plates in the parking lot....lots of them.

Just a thought.

Checkpoint

Loretana - 7-23-2010 at 08:19 AM

Thanks for a logical response to what some of us consider a ridiculous argument, DK.

Oh, and by the way, you know that alleged disinfectant in the little tire trough that you get charged $20 pesos to drive through? The one that supposedly prevents the swine disease that was affecting mainland Mexico back in the '90's?

I was told by a MOST reliable source that due to funding (or lack of) the Fitosanitaria inspectors usually put household bleach and water in there, and it is nothing but a pretext at this point to support themselves. Just as the fruits and foodstuffs they confiscate go to their homes to be eaten by their families. So what. :rolleyes:

Let them do their jobs. I just choose to have some good parmesan cheese, a fresh turkey or two and some decent meat grown on my Oregon property frozen in my ice chest when I cross the state line into Baja Sur.

rts551 - 7-23-2010 at 08:41 AM

If the argument is ridiculous, I go back to please enlighten us on which laws we are to obey and which we should not. If the law is ridiculous that is different. I was sent to secondary for kitty litter the last trip north. Now that is rediculous, but I did not try and go around.

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Originally posted by Loretana
Thanks for a logical response to what some of us consider a ridiculous argument, DK.

Oh, and by the way, you know that alleged disinfectant in the little tire trough that you get charged $20 pesos to drive through? The one that supposedly prevents the swine disease that was affecting mainland Mexico back in the '90's?

I was told by a MOST reliable source that due to funding (or lack of) the Fitosanitaria inspectors usually put household bleach and water in there, and it is nothing but a pretext at this point to support themselves. Just as the fruits and foodstuffs they confiscate go to their homes to be eaten by their families. So what. :rolleyes:

DENNIS - 7-23-2010 at 08:58 AM

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Originally posted by rts551
I was sent to secondary for kitty litter the last trip north. Now that is rediculous, but I did not try and go around.

What was the problem with Kitty Litter?

mtgoat666 - 7-23-2010 at 09:02 AM

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Originally posted by David K

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Originally posted by rts551
Do you also support people going over the fence into the US?

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dk:
laws are laws. who are you to determine which laws are OK to break and obey?
i think that laws preventing migration of pests between farming regions are more important than laws that prevent people from migrating. pests cause much economic damage. migration of people causes population growth which causes increase in GNP.
undocumented immigrants contribute much to the economy and tax base. undocumented immigrants are used and abused by the middle class like dk. dk, you eat cheap food because of cheap labor

DavidE - 7-23-2010 at 09:04 AM

Why not compare this issue with the California agriculture border inspection stations? PC computers, used clothing, tires and chemicals are also on the forbidden list for Mexico. The PC computer ban is vigorously enforced for Baja but not at mainland Mexico federal border inspection stations. By the way a PC is a full-size desktop computer not a laptop.

But arguing this point is foolish unless of course the point itself is argument and not the subject material. That being the case, the discussion hinges on whether or not an individual follows the letter of the law --- personal values, morals, ethics, etc. Strike a nerve? Then the issue is about values, morals and ethics, not meat..

mtgoat666 - 7-23-2010 at 09:10 AM

ag inspections to prevent pest migration is different than customs inspections to enforce trade restrictions.

i think many nomads believe that customs and ag restrictions do not apply to them :lol:

or they believe that obeyamce of those laws is optional :lol:

Obeying the Law

MrBillM - 7-23-2010 at 09:11 AM

Yes, the argument is ridiculous, stupid or whatever other negative adjective might apply.

The REASON that "different" laws have "different" penalties is that they're NOT considered equal in ANY society. They are not going to use the Death Penalty to punish Traffic Scofflaws and they're not going to issue misdemeanor citations to Rapists. Well, not yet, anyway.

What Laws SHOULD you obey ? That's up to YOU and YOUR Moral code balanced with YOUR willingness to ACCEPT the lawful consequences of said violations.

BTW, I read a synopsis of Arizona's arguments in court yesterday and Nowhere did I see the "rts" version being argued. Obviously, "someone" has a comprehension problem.

rts551 - 7-23-2010 at 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by rts551
I was sent to secondary for kitty litter the last trip north. Now that is rediculous, but I did not try and go around.

What was the problem with Kitty Litter?

somehow related to dog and cat food which are also prohibited. Guess I continue to be stupid because I just said take it and didn't fight it. Kinda like an argument with BM. Just not worth it.

MitchMan - 7-23-2010 at 10:00 AM

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Originally posted by DavidE
...the discussion hinges on whether or not an individual follows the letter of the law --- personal values, morals, ethics, etc. Strike a nerve? Then the issue is about values, morals and ethics, not meat..

DavidE is right on point. Allow me to add that laws are imperfect, but should be followed if they have a practical purpose and are necessary and are fair and moral and just and reasonable when it helps society, overall.

I am not so sure about obeying a law that does not meet the aforementioned criterion. Personally, my adherence to a law is based on my judgement when it comes to the abovementioned criterion together with whether or not my not following the law actually damages some truly innocent person(s).

You know, sometimes laws exist that sometimes provide and preserve an unfair advantage to certain parties over others.

BTW, in an unrelated point, in La Paz at the major chain grocery stores, the quality of beef and pork really sucks, but the quality of the fresh fish and the fresh whole chickens is great. Where can a person get good quality beef steaks in La Paz, anyway?
[Edited on 7-23-2010 by MitchMan]

[Edited on 7-23-2010 by MitchMan]

BajaBlanca - 7-23-2010 at 10:14 AM

agricultural workers are not illegal, BTW.

there are special visas that those workers get year after year (used to be called a SAW - seasonal agricultural worker visa). It seems to be a common misconception that they work illegally. Because we do not have a sufficient number of qualified day laborers, the INS came up with a special visa eons ago.

I was an ESL or English as a Second Language teacher, and I used to teach some of them.

that being said, we never realized that we couldnt take meat, it has been checked at the border and no one has ever turned us back .....can't figure that one out ...

rts551 - 7-23-2010 at 10:26 AM

Blanca

because of the mad cow scare years ago beef was not allowed into Mexico. Periodically that is still enforced at GN

Ralph

DENNIS - 7-23-2010 at 12:10 PM

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Originally posted by rts551

somehow related to dog and cat food which are also prohibited. Guess I continue to be stupid because I just said take it and didn't fight it. Kinda like an argument with BM. Just not worth it.

Are you talking about northbound? Sounds like yes.

DavidE - 7-23-2010 at 05:32 PM

Now if you want really crappy beef, follow me next week as I head to the highlands of Guatemala. The best beef if cooked in a pressure cooker for a few hours and then smothered in ketchup in order to force it down.

Live in Mexico and vacation in Guat. Go figure.

monoloco - 7-23-2010 at 05:44 PM

Just pull over in Jesus Maria and put all the meat and cheese in a suitcase, when you get to Vizcaino take it out and put it back in the cooler.

David K - 7-23-2010 at 05:53 PM

That sounds more sinister than taking a road without the checkpoint.

Seriously, we are talking about USDA beef from a grocery store... no pests, no diseases. There is NO reason to confiscate it in the name of public safety. Just an example of an over-bearing government robbing us of basic freedoms... like to eat healthy meat! :light:

Now, on a personal note to the flame throwers here... We have NEVER taken beef into Baja Sur... We prefer to eat local food at local eateries as part of our Baja experience... and it helps the local economy!

DianaT - 7-23-2010 at 06:50 PM

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Originally posted by David K
. Just an example of an over-bearing government robbing us of basic freedoms... like to eat healthy meat! :light:

Now that is really funny----it is Mexico and they don't give a rip about your so called self-defined rights.

You don't like it, stay out. Believe it or not, Mexico and other countries do not make THEIR laws to meet your needs or in accordance to what you think are "basic freedoms".

But, it was good for a real laugh.

David K - 7-23-2010 at 07:00 PM

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Originally posted by DianaT

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Originally posted by David K
. Just an example of an over-bearing government robbing us of basic freedoms... like to eat healthy meat! :light:

Once again... just like the media you listen to, you select a portion of the whole story to fit your needs... HERE is the part of my post you quote only a portion of, that was designed for YOU, the devil goat, and a couple others:

>>>"Now, on a personal note to the flame throwers here... We have NEVER taken beef into Baja Sur... We prefer to eat local food at local eateries as part of our Baja experience... and it helps the local economy! "<<<

Skipjack Joe - 7-23-2010 at 07:07 PM

"Basic freedom to eat fresh healthy meat"

Didn't you know? It's in the Bill of Rights!

:lol:

noproblemo2 - 7-23-2010 at 07:14 PM

As we live here full time and go North only a couple times a year we primarily do eat local meats etc........ have never gotten sick from it and always tastes fresher too.

DENNIS - 7-23-2010 at 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
"Basic freedom to eat fresh healthy meat"

Didn't you know? It's in the Bill of Rights!

:lol:

It's an inalienable right. [what does that word mean, anyway?]

noproblemo2 - 7-23-2010 at 07:19 PM

Hmmmm, in alien able ???? :lol:

DianaT - 7-23-2010 at 07:43 PM

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Originally posted by David K

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Originally posted by DianaT

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Originally posted by David K
. Just an example of an over-bearing government robbing us of basic freedoms... like to eat healthy meat! :light:

What you do and what you believe are in two different realms of reality----duh

But seems like that "basic right" of yours to eat healthful (not healthy) beef is because of Big Government Regulation!----good to see that you finally see where government involvement with regulating the forces of capitalism is important.

If fact, the single person most responsible for you being assured that you are eating healthful beef was a socialist, Upton Sinclair. :biggrin:

[Edited on 7-24-2010 by DianaT]

The ONE ?

MrBillM - 7-23-2010 at 10:02 PM

A Socialist made it safe to Eat your Meat ?

BUT, ONLY if that's American Meat ?

ANOTHER reason to bring your own ?

[Edited on 7-24-2010 by MrBillM]

Trueheart - 7-24-2010 at 09:00 AM

Interesting topic. Prior to seeing this thread, I'd never given any thought as to whether meat is allowed or not into Mexico. I've driven into BCS six times and never made any attempt to hide it. I take all kinds .... steaks, pork, chicken, lamb. I buy at my local Costco, repackage into individual servings, freeze em rock hard, then put them into a sealed cooler with dry ice. The dry ice lasts 3 days, enough to get me to a freezer in BCS. My most recent trip was for 6 weeks, and I had plenty of meat, etc. for the whole time there.

Heading south, the only question I've ever gotten at the GN ag checkpoint has been about fruits or veggies, and they only asked that question on 2 of the 6 trips. They always seem intent on getting the 10 pesos for the under spray and passing me on through quickly. Twice, no one was even there.

As for the dog/cat food and litter situation going north ... my last trip through border agent station at San Ysidro I had a cat and a dog in the truck, both very visable to the agent, and I had no issue. Not even a question was raised, and yes, I had both food (kibble) and litter (cat) for my pets.

mtgoat666 - 7-24-2010 at 09:11 AM

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Originally posted by David K
Just an example of an over-bearing government robbing us of basic freedoms... like to eat healthy meat!

dk: your belly is an indication that you are exercising your freedoms :lol:

DENNIS - 7-24-2010 at 09:15 AM

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Originally posted by Trueheart
As for the dog/cat food and litter situation going north ... my last trip through border agent station at San Ysidro I had a cat and a dog in the truck, both very visable to the agent, and I had no issue. Not even a question was raised, and yes, I had both food (kibble) and litter (cat) for my pets.

They won't usually ask about pet food, but if they see it, they'll take it.
Then again, your experience is a good example of the inconsistancies your tax dollars pay for.

rts551 - 7-24-2010 at 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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They won't usually ask about pet food, but if they see it, they'll take it.
Then again, your experience is a good example of the inconsistancies your tax dollars pay for.

I guess it is a USDA requirement
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/plants/manuals/ports...

MsTerieus - 7-24-2010 at 09:56 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
"Basic freedom to eat fresh healthy meat"

Didn't you know? It's in the Bill of Rights!

:lol:

It's an inalienable right. [what does that word mean, anyway?]

It means it cannot be taken away from you.

DENNIS - 7-24-2010 at 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by MsTerieus

It means it cannot be taken away from you.

Thank you. I thought that only applied to my birthday.

DianaT - 7-24-2010 at 10:53 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by MsTerieus

It means it cannot be taken away from you.

Thank you. I thought that only applied to my birthday.

Not sure about that---there is one thing that would take your birthday away----not a good alternative, however. :biggrin:

But the famous use of that fanciful phrase defining rights that do not exist, really is one of the best pieces of propaganda every written---

[Edited on 7-24-2010 by DianaT]

MsTerieus - 7-24-2010 at 12:14 PM

Hmmm, the Bill of Rights is "fanciful ... propaganda"? Fanciful maybe ...

Mexitron - 7-24-2010 at 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by Trueheart
Interesting topic. Prior to seeing this thread, I'd never given any thought as to whether meat is allowed or not into Mexico. I've driven into BCS six times and never made any attempt to hide it. I take all kinds .... steaks, pork, chicken, lamb. I buy at my local Costco, repackage into individual servings, freeze em rock hard, then put them into a sealed cooler with dry ice. The dry ice lasts 3 days, enough to get me to a freezer in BCS. My most recent trip was for 6 weeks, and I had plenty of meat, etc. for the whole time there.

Heading south, the only question I've ever gotten at the GN ag checkpoint has been about fruits or veggies, and they only asked that question on 2 of the 6 trips. They always seem intent on getting the 10 pesos for the under spray and passing me on through quickly. Twice, no one was even there.

Same here, never occurred to me that there was restrictions on meat...blissfully unaware all those times; I think I'll try and not remember this thread (Or go thru the checkpoint in the early morning or evening when they're less likely to be there...)

Skipjack Joe - 7-24-2010 at 01:00 PM

Here, a DK ancestor makes sure Jefferson gets the spelling right - "R-I-B-E-Y ....".

signing-constitution.jpg - 46kB

DianaT - 7-24-2010 at 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by MsTerieus
Hmmm, the Bill of Rights is "fanciful ... propaganda"? Fanciful maybe ...

The preamble to the Bill of Rights talks about restricting the abuse of power. There were more than 10 Amendments proposed and the compromises that led to the acceptance of the 10 insured the ratification of the Constitution by the states.

The Bill of Rights does not talk about unalienable rights. That comes from the Declaration of Independence and it is that document that is a beautifully written document of propaganda---but it served its purpose of gaining support for the fighting that was already was occuring, and provided definition for what was happening.

Jefferson was a very excellent writer, and quite intellegent ---- not only was the Declaration of Independence full of hyperbole, and fanciful philosophy, it was addressed toward King George and he was not their problem----but if the war went the wrong way, it would be parliment who would put all of them on trial for treason, so it was better addressed to King George.

Here is that famous line----

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,

Simply take that statement apart--

Self-evident? To Whom?
Were all men created equal? Maybe, maybe not
Does the creator, whoever he/she/ or it may be grant unalienable rights? That concept did come from the Age of Reason, but certainly was not, nor is today accepted by everyone as a valid philosophy.

And Jefferson being a Unitarian with a Diest leaning, leaned toward believing that there might be supreme god, but one who created the earth like a clock maker----got it going and then stepped aside and let it run on its own.

The entire document is like that.

The preamble to the Bill of Rights is far more practical and addressed the reality that if they wanted certain rights, they needed to restrict the government.

OK, off soap box now----will stop bloviating ---opps that is one of Bill O'Reilly's favorite expressions---but right now I have a tiny bit of respect for him since he apoligized for reporting a false story. :biggrin:

Bajahowodd - 7-24-2010 at 01:29 PM

I can only assume that I'm nowhere as fussy about what I eat than many of you. While I can certainly grasp the idea, especially when camping, and being able to avail oneself of dry ice NOB, it make some sense. However, we've shopped in places such as Soriana, Comex, Walmart, and CCC over the years, and never felt the need to bring our own with. Kinda seems like hauling cases of Samuel Adams down because you don't like Bohemia.

DENNIS - 7-24-2010 at 01:35 PM

People in Baja are supposed to eat fresh fish. What's with all this meat stuff, anyway?

WORD!

Bajahowodd - 7-24-2010 at 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
People in Baja are supposed to eat fresh fish. What's with all this meat stuff, anyway?

DianaT - 7-24-2010 at 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I can only assume that I'm nowhere as fussy about what I eat than many of you. While I can certainly grasp the idea, especially when camping, and being able to avail oneself of dry ice NOB, it make some sense. However, we've shopped in places such as Soriana, Comex, Walmart, and CCC over the years, and never felt the need to bring our own with. Kinda seems like hauling cases of Samuel Adams down because you don't like Bohemia.

To reach one of those major stores in BCS we would have drive several hundred miles---except there is a Comex paint store but paint doesn't taste very good. :lol:

woody with a view - 7-24-2010 at 02:02 PM

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Kinda seems like hauling cases of Samuel Adams down because you don't like Bohemia.

or because i can get a 30 pack of TKT in the U.S. for $16.99 + tax/crv AND get $6.00 back if i return a promotional flyer along with the receipt, until feb 2011.

even without the 30% discount it still is cheaper than paying +/- $1.00/can at the local tienda. Like Diane said, usually the nearest store is a 1/2 day away....... usually.

Savoring the Fish in Mexico

MrBillM - 7-24-2010 at 02:18 PM

Nothing wrong with that. I have many times in the past.

Well, it tasted like Fish, anyway.

taxcutter - 7-24-2010 at 02:36 PM

Yea, the GN boys have confiscated my food before.
Beef, chicken, pork.

Focus now....
Can anybody look up and provide the rule of Mexican law regarding importation of food into Mexico?

It's not like you see big signs or photos of confiscated food at the state border crossing, like you do at military check points of drug busts.

I just figure the boys at GN are hungry and these days my typical response to the question is, "No Fruitas, No Drugas, No Hoto's."

I smile, they laugh and they wave me along.

Dave - 7-24-2010 at 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by taxcutter
Yea, the GN boys have confiscated my food before.
Beef, chicken, pork.

Unless it had a Vons or Albertsons sticker how would they know where the hell it came from?

Or is beef, chicken and pork illegal in BCS?

rts551 - 7-24-2010 at 03:08 PM

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Originally posted by taxcutter
Yea, the GN boys have confiscated my food before.
Beef, chicken, pork.

Focus now....
Can anybody look up and provide the rule of Mexican law regarding importation of food into Mexico?

It's not like you see big signs or photos of confiscated food at the state border crossing, like you do at military check points of drug busts.

I just figure the boys at GN are hungry and these days my typical response to the question is, "No Fruitas, No Drugas, No Hoto's."

I smile, they laugh and they wave me along.

Most countries restrict imports of beef, poultry, etc and many states withing a country have their own restrictions. I'll try and track down Baja Surs ag restrictions. For the las 10 years or so I usually get very good beef and poultry in Baja so I don't worry about it any more.

Diane, our markets generally get pretty good meats... problem is they run out.

and Taxcutter...its Joto

MsTerieus - 7-24-2010 at 04:40 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Here, a DK ancestor makes sure Jefferson gets the spelling right - "R-I-B-E-Y ....".

They did not get the spelling of inalienable right, though. They used "unalienable."

MsTerieus - 7-24-2010 at 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by DianaT

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Originally posted by MsTerieus
Hmmm, the Bill of Rights is "fanciful ... propaganda"? Fanciful maybe ...

... The Bill of Rights does not talk about unalienable rights. That comes from the Declaration of Independence

Oops. I stand corrected. Furthermore, I just looked up "propaganda," which I always assumed had certain negative connotations, and I found I was wrong on that point too.

Yep, the Declaration of Independence does seem to be "propaganda," as it originally was defined.

______________________________

"Oy vey." An old Yiddish Proverb.

[Edited on 7-28-2010 by MsTerieus]

It's ALL Propaganda

MrBillM - 7-24-2010 at 10:06 PM

EVERY Political Statement and, for that matter any statement of opinion, is technically Propaganda.

AND, whether the word choice was Tom's, Ben's or (more likely) John Adams', the use of Unalienable was perfectly correct at the time. In modern usage, "Inalienable" has seemingly prevailed although there is (was) a difference between the two.

[Edited on 7-25-2010 by MrBillM]

MsTerieus - 7-24-2010 at 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
EVERY Political Statement and, for that matter any statement of opinion, is technically Propaganda.

It depends what is meant by "Political Statement." As for "any statement of opinion" being propaganda, I don't agree. One can state one's opinion with no intention to persuade, in which case (especially if the statement did NOT persuade), it would not be propaganda.

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AND, whether the word choice was Tom's, Ben's or (more likely) John Adams', the use of Unalienable was perfectly correct at the time. In modern usage, "Inalienable" has seemingly prevailed although there is (was) a difference between the two. Edited on 7-25-2010 by MrBillM]

Oh, I knew that ...

BJSoccer16 - 7-30-2010 at 07:40 PM

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Originally posted by DavidE
Now if you want really crappy beef, follow me next week as I head to the highlands of Guatemala. The best beef if cooked in a pressure cooker for a few hours and then smothered in ketchup in order to force it down.

Live in Mexico and vacation in Guat. Go figure.

Guatemala has great beef.... go to the market early in the morning