or why J.R. is up at 2:30 am.
OK PEOPLE, I met with some people in Rosarito this afternoon. It was supposed to be good news which it was for our personal purposes.
Unfortunately, for those of you who know Playa Requeson, (my favorite dog photo!), by this time next year, the beginnings of a "Club Med" type
resort will be filling that sand spit area and a marina will be going into the north bay area. Privately. No Escalera Nautica !
It is being done by a Mexican with a Mexican corporation and it is the worst news I have ever heard regarding Baja.
He is very influential in Baja and will succeed in his endeavors.
Baja is pretty much done as some of us knew it.
Now where will we go to see Baja? Thrown together Baja Emergency Guides?, Calenders?, Ian Documentaries?, or Slide Shows by DK????
Viva Capitalism! Adios Baja!!
WONDERFUL NEWS
Capt. George - 7-25-2004 at 04:02 AM
Crank it up JR and get the pot stirring!
Adios Baja? How about "Adios Everywhere" Get ready for the great seige by the Neuvo Riche with their hordes of Msn, Dell Dollars....
Excuse me, is that a boat trailer on your property? Puleeeze, what is that filthy thing doing in "MY TOWN"? Hold on to your short hairs, cause here it
comes.
And their not even going to use vasoline!
Great news. that's a great place for some infrastructural
capt. mike - 7-25-2004 at 06:57 AM
improvement. hope it works out. the area needs a marina badly. and some options for staying around concepcion. What's wrong with the concept of this
individual, a mexican, having a dream and experiencing free enterprize? It's their country, not ours!
Again....markets rule!
Have you seen the plan? who's to say he's not doing it eco friendly?
MIKE
Capt. George - 7-25-2004 at 07:58 AM
E mail me PLEASE, today.
mucho importante!!!!
dadgcp@peoplepc.com
Outta here manana
Mike is that part of your airplane on Georges property?
capn.sharky - 7-25-2004 at 08:21 AM
Bob H - 7-25-2004 at 08:38 AM
J.R., it's time to move back stateside! Quickly now. Taco de Baja - 7-25-2004 at 09:31 AM
Yep development happens.
I have fond memories of camping as a kid at the Sand Spit, and the Estero, south of Ensenada in the early 70's....Then the developers came. I have not
been back since the construction of the buildings began at La Bufadora.
Luckily, there is still a lot of Baja that is as undeveloped as it was before Baja was "discovered" by the Spanish. And because of the lack of water,
will probably remain that way for several generations.
Capitan
jrbaja - 7-25-2004 at 09:40 AM
May your trailer be paved over and a blockbuster video be put in your place!!!
Pendejo!!
Capitano??
Capt. George - 7-25-2004 at 11:02 AM
JR which one? there's a chitpile of us out here......
Ahh, developement, I will hide from it as long as possible.....perhaps someday a hermit....and I don't mean a singer...
Oh yeah
jrbaja - 7-25-2004 at 11:18 AM
The one that I continually butt heads with over our opposite positions on certain issues.
He doesn't mind ruining what's left of the natural areas on the planet for a select few to be able to enjoy.
I do.
This is why I am doing what I am doing in the mountains. I just didn't realize how fast the development is actually happening and who is doing it.
Yikes!!
These guys are Mexican and have a proven record of getting things done.
Yall better be takin pictures !
sand-spit
lewm - 7-25-2004 at 11:19 AM
That little bay on the north side use to be full of clams in the 70's. Each year we went down we had to go out further to find some. It was pretty
shallow for quite aways out. They would have to do a lot of dregging. I think they use to charge us $1 a day to camp there.
Sea Clams Cape Cod
Capt. George - 7-25-2004 at 11:29 AM
Was a time I could walk out behind my cottage, get all I wanted for dinner, appetizers etc.....then they came!
Enough for dinner? of course not! Let's get enough to last six winters...let's see how fast we can wipe them out before anyone else BEATS us to
them....
etc., etc., etc., Doomsday? you bet your sweet ass.....gluttony, greed, screw the other guy, gotta get my fair share before they're gone....Beeee A
U T Fullllll !
Hide, I gotta hide.........................
Hermie the HermitDanO - 7-25-2004 at 01:01 PM
Yeah, lewm, I remember digging up clams with my toes in the shallows on my first trip down in 1969. I asked my old man awhile ago if he'd kept any
pictures or other records of that trip or our others at the end of the 60s and early 70s. He said no he didn't, but he kind of wished he had. I'll
just have to keep playing that movie in my head.LaRibere�a - 7-25-2004 at 01:20 PM
As far as some of are concerned, Baja doesn't start until El Rosario. I remember Rosarito when the hotel was just about all that was there. Those
days are long gone. Just keep moving south, fellas!Bob H - 7-25-2004 at 01:55 PM
It wasn't all that long ago that San Quintin was a simple two lane road all the way through with nothing but dirt on each side... now look at the
traffic lights and wide six lane through there!tim40 - 7-25-2004 at 01:59 PM
It is happening, and it will continue to happen at a faster pace. The only current 'hope' for those opposed to it is that it is done in an
environmentally respectfull way that honors the locals. What I never read too much about is significant/material actionable counter ideas that take
into account the reality of my first sentence (if you doubt it.....you need to cut back on your libation consumption). What about getting serious
about getting together and securing a couple of 'our ideal locations' (read the nasty 3 letter "buy" word) and 'develop' our own earth/people friendly
locations. If you doubt that this is one of the few ways that we will have these places left for the locals and our visiting future generations to
utilize and enjoy....again I refer you to my first sentence.Dave - 7-25-2004 at 02:16 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by jrbaja
It is being done by a Mexican with a Mexican corporation and it is the worst news I have ever heard regarding Baja.
He is very influential in Baja and will succeed in his endeavors.
So, who's the guy?
Dave,
jrbaja - 7-25-2004 at 02:30 PM
check your U2UDave - 7-25-2004 at 03:04 PM
gotcha.David K - 7-25-2004 at 04:03 PM
The 'end' of the isolation began in 1973 with the completion of the highway. A whole different type of visitor to Baja arrived and in greater numbers
than those of us in our Jeeps and Buggies.
The next phase was the new graded roads being built (Gonzaga, San Francisquito, Tortugas, etc.). These are all needed items to serve the growing local
population.
Baja is attractive and next to the U.S., thus we go. You can't blame the local land owners for wanting a piece of the pie. It is just a fact of time.
El Requeson was my favorite place to camp (1966, 1976, 1985) on Concepcion. If it goes, then I find another place. The other side of the bay has a
lone dirt road and offers possibilities.
The saving factor to prevent development has been lack of water, lack of labor, cost of power generation, distance to a bank.
El Requeson is lacking the above. A worry is that the damage will be done before the eventual failure occurs. Puerto Escondido, BCS is an example.
The favorite places of our memory may vanish, but Baja is big and we will find new places to make memories at... don't give up.
The plan of course
jrbaja - 7-25-2004 at 04:31 PM
is to include a desalinater, solar and wind power, 1500 homes and a luxury hotel and marina. All inclusive resort.
Requeson and La Perla are the two best beaches on Bahia Concepcion for various reasons.
This is a real shame. And talk about the dominoe effect, the people in those new homes aren't going to just sit home.
I give it 20 years here before it looks just like so.cal..
And I was off by 4 years in the development of the hills east of Rosarito.
Come on you guys, plant some bamboo!
Tim40
capt. mike - 7-25-2004 at 06:33 PM
you make sense.
JR - buy something, .......or can you?
pendejo?.......really.
nuttun any of us can do, progress happens
capt. mike - 7-25-2004 at 06:47 PM
the fun part of this is you gettin so up tight about it , JR! come on buddy, get over it!
Get with tim40 and others, buy yourselves a development free zona/compound.....
see what it costs to play in the big leagues amigo.
Munoz has a tough road to hoe fer sure.
its his kind of guts that made America great! Mexicans have every right to do it too. they practice free enterprize. What's wrong with that?? If it's
not your cup o joe, go some place new/different. Why whine about it??
Say, a blockbuster might be good for me, i like movies....but there already is a rental place in mulege...so the market has decided. freedom....what a
concept.
The Bamboo Park
jrbaja - 7-25-2004 at 06:55 PM
I have already been through this before. I think it was titled "stopping development" or something like that.
I already did. And I planted bamboo there. And it's going to give the locals pretty good, environmentally friendly, PERMANENT employment.
I have plans for these bamboo parks in 3 or 4 more areas that I have already started the motions of acquiring the land and planting and educating
the locals on bamboo.
If any of you are interested in participating in this project, it includes some pretty reasonable properties in some fantastic areas.
It gives the locals something to do besides build more condos or what have you, it beautifies and helps clean the air, and it provides inexpensive
building materials which are very hard to come by.
Sorry on the remark Mike, but I just do not understand your point of view on this. For someone who has seen many of the remote regions and has a
trailer in tranquil old Mulege, it seems as if you would have more of an appreciation for preserving unique environments.
hey, no problem here man
capt. mike - 7-25-2004 at 08:45 PM
i can get jiggy wit dat.
What you're doing is a good thing, hope it works. Yeah, i love my little park. if it changes - that will be a long time off at best. Market forces
will not pave mulege for eons, if ever.
My 1st trip to Cabo in 1981, flew myself there, landed 5 miles out of town at the old Hotel Cabo San Lucas. What a place then, not a paved road in
town, marina not built yet like it is now. Back in '86 - wow what changes! Still liked it though. Back in 1992 - place is ruined!!! so what - i don't
go there anymore!!
Plenty of places left, and if some go to a higher land value - well it's a right, that's all.
Let me know when/where your piece of paradise is. maybe i'll buy in - can we have an airstrip?? promise......no jets!!
J R Baja has a point
capn.sharky - 7-25-2004 at 08:48 PM
Why can't they build across the highway or off the beaches. From low tide to the high tide markers belong to the people of Mexico. When they put in
a hotel, they block off the beaches so no one else can enjoy them. As for desalination of water, sewage treatment, and electricity generation, we
have been promised this before and it never happens. I guess no one can stop progress---if you can call this progress. Also, as we all know, money
talks in Baja. With money you can do whatever you want. Just pay off the right people. I guess its not just Nopolo that the developers want to screw
up. Oh well, enjoy it while you can folks. We will Californicate Baja before the smoke clears.
that Munoz website has been around for
capt. mike - 7-26-2004 at 06:37 AM
quite a while - i doubt their development will move forward fast. it's a long way to get your boat out the mouth of the bay to fish. basers will go
through a lot of gas and time. not like at Escondido.
he's had some bad publicity too. wonder how much pre sale he has to do to get his investors to pony up on infrastructure??!!sin nombre - 7-26-2004 at 07:48 AM
It's Mexico; it is their country; they can and should do what they please. We are only guests here, gotta keep that in mind.
Yep, I keep it in mind all right.
jrbaja - 7-26-2004 at 08:29 AM
We "guests" are the ones they are building all this crap for !Dave - 7-26-2004 at 11:49 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by grover
The worse part of any development for me is the blockage of access to the beach.
It is illegal to restrict beach access. It pays to know and demand your rights.
Although it is illegal
jrbaja - 7-27-2004 at 10:05 AM
been to the east cape or los cabos lately ?
Munoz comments on transportation
JZ - 7-27-2004 at 10:32 AM
"...with the transportation revolution coming in the next ten years, even that distance will disappear; in 5 years, you will take your own Vertical
landing Moller Sky Car and drive flying to or from San Diego California U.S.A. in a couple of hours, park your craft in your own house's garage..."
Daughter Judy and
jrbaja - 7-27-2004 at 11:16 AM
his boy ElroyMexitron - 7-27-2004 at 04:45 PM
JZ--yah, but can you pack all that beer and ice into one of those Sky Cars, plus your camping equipmentDave - 7-27-2004 at 07:40 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by jrbaja
been to the east cape or los cabos lately ?
Nope, not my cup of tea but tell me how beach access would be restricted if one "pressed" the issue. Do developments put up fences from the edge of
the federal zone to past the low tide mark? David K - 7-27-2004 at 07:56 PM
I am guessing public access is not welcomed to non guests. If the hotel has all the property between the beach and the road, and the only way to the
beach is through the hotel, this would be a problem. Unless Mexican law requires an easement or corridor for public access to the beach, it may be
less than easy for non-guests.
Can you say
jrbaja - 7-27-2004 at 08:27 PM
"Getting your ass kicked for "trespassing" ?"
One of the things I love about Mexico is you can do that if you are in the right, but, limiting access to the beaches for those that can't afford it
certainly is wrong.
The hotels are one issue but from what I have seen, the gringo, canadian, european mansions are the main problema.
Those that actually know Baja realize there is a very limited amount of beach access in many of the prime areas. Key word, "prime areas".
These are the areas that people with too much money want to live. And, being from wherever they are from, they don't want the intrusion of the
locals.
Because in their caviar eatin, cigar smokin minds, they are much smarter, cleaner, better than those heathens that grew up there dealing with a
natural, healthy life.
So, up go the fences and access to the beaches as they are now florescently lit driveways .
Sure, you can still get to them. By boat, or a mile or two walk along the beach. But as far as access to the beach, righteeyoh.
My faith is in Mother Nature. If she doesn't like what's going on, she will do something about it.
This is just a little finger of land that has
fought off many foreign intrusions.
I guess we shall see about this one!!
