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growing mangos in the norte region

woody with a view - 8-14-2010 at 12:58 PM

question inspired by BajaJudy's :dudette: pineapple thread.....

since i can see the TJ bullring from my patio it is Baja related.

has anyone ever grown a mango tree and got it to fruit within 4 miles of the coast this far north? i know they require humidity and with all the june gloom into august there is plenty of that. not dripping humid but not dry like a desert. so how long does it take to fruit? my old mailman SWORE he had been successful but after 4 years in a 6 gallon pot i just today put it in the ground in my new backyard, along with 2 peach trees and a guacamole tree.

[Edited on 8-14-2010 by woody with a view]

[Edited on 8-15-2010 by woody with a view]

David K - 8-14-2010 at 01:57 PM

Yes, go to the California Rare Fruit Growers web site for info. About 25 years ago I was active with them (grew bananas, guavas, passionfruit, papayas, etc. near Escondido). Member Peggy Winter of Spring Valley had a dwarf mango variety named after her. Paul Thomson was one of the founders of CRFG and stated it all by growing mangos in Vista, many years ago.

MitchMan - 8-14-2010 at 02:56 PM

In La Paz I have a mango tree that puts out incredible tasting mangoes evetry August and my place is 1/5th of mile from the water. My mother had a mango tree in the Inland Empire (Rancho Cucamonga, CA) and the thing never bore any fruit.

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tehag - 8-14-2010 at 03:02 PM

I know of several fruiting mango trees in San Diego.

Mexitron - 8-14-2010 at 04:34 PM

Think tropics....mangoes love heat as well as humidity---plant northern acclimated varieties on a hot south facing wall in a frost free location in SoCal and you've got a good chance.

monoloco - 8-14-2010 at 05:11 PM

One thing to consider is that they grow very slowly, it will be quite a few years before you get more than a few mangos.

bajajudy - 8-14-2010 at 06:38 PM

Mangos really like water.....as in in the ground. The healthiest ones here in San Jose are the ones in the arroyo where there are under ground streams.

Did you know that the nickname for the people from San Jose is Mangeros because of all the mangos here.

I spent last night making mango sorbet...yummmmmmmmmmmmm

edit to add
I guess what I was trying to say, poorly. I dont think humidity is important. It is NOT humid here. It is the water source.

[Edited on 8-15-2010 by bajajudy]

Woooosh - 8-14-2010 at 06:46 PM

Forget it Woody. It's an inland SD thing. It'll never get sunny, humid or warm enough where you are for them to do well. Try Staghorn Ferns (shade), Succulents (sun), blackberry vines (sun)and dwarf Bananas (sun). You can still get tomatoes if you start now... They are a fruit, right? :?:

[Edited on 8-15-2010 by Woooosh]

BajaBlanca - 8-14-2010 at 07:12 PM

I love mangoes and I just bought a mango tree to plant in the yard here in La Bocana about 2 months ago. It is still in a pot and still looking OK. Maybe I will keep it in it's pot and water often ....

woody with a view - 8-14-2010 at 07:34 PM

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It'll never get sunny, humid or warm enough where you are for them to do well.


that is a POOR attitude. but thanks for the tip!

irenemm - 8-14-2010 at 07:45 PM

about 25 years ago one of the farmers son-in-laws put some trees in San Quintin and they did get fruit. he also put in papaya trees.
It was a test to long to wait for the money so they just left them for them selves. I don't know if they are still there the farmer is not. The son-in-law moved back to Del Mar.
Worth a try Woody with a view. San Quintin is not hot or humid. weather like yours.

woody with a view - 8-14-2010 at 07:59 PM

we have a neighbor who has fruiting papaya.

irenemm - 8-14-2010 at 08:03 PM

put in the mango give them a try. it worked here. our weather is not much different then yours.

bajajudy - 8-14-2010 at 08:04 PM

Woody in...?????
GO FOR IT

bajajudy - 8-15-2010 at 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
we have a neighbor who has fruiting papaya.


Get some seed from him and try your own. If they grow for him, they should for you.

Been thinking about your mango question. Once again I would find someone in your area who has one growing, producing and get a seed. We have not had good luck transplanting them. There were two on our property when we bought it and one came up behind the house a few years later. The construction workers used to sit in the shade behind the house for comida and our theory is that they left the seed. We have had others come up in our compost but after transplanting, they died.

good luck

Rhea - 8-15-2010 at 02:19 PM

Yes look for a CRFG chapter in your area. I belong to one in Rancho Palos Verdes, Calif. You will meet other growers in your area who have a wealth of information. What to plant, where to plant and how to grow fruit trees in your particular area. They also have an annual convention which really brings together fantastic speakers and more info than you know what to do with. Yes look for a CRFG chapter in your area and join them. I belong to one in Rancho Palos Verdes, Calif. You will meet other growers in your area who have a wealth of information. What to plant, where to plant, where to buy and how to grow fruit trees in your particular area. At my meetings we bring goodies from the garden for tasting….yeah… They also have an annual convention which really brings together fantastic speakers and more info than you know what to do with....Rhea (Udo's sister)

woody with a view - 8-15-2010 at 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by Rhea
Yes look for a CRFG chapter in your area. I belong to one in Rancho Palos Verdes, Calif. You will meet other growers in your area who have a wealth of information. What to plant, where to plant and how to grow fruit trees in your particular area. They also have an annual convention which really brings together fantastic speakers and more info than you know what to do with. Yes look for a CRFG chapter in your area and join them. I belong to one in Rancho Palos Verdes, Calif. You will meet other growers in your area who have a wealth of information. What to plant, where to plant, where to buy and how to grow fruit trees in your particular area. At my meetings we bring goodies from the garden for tasting….yeah… They also have an annual convention which really brings together fantastic speakers and more info than you know what to do with....Rhea (Udo's sister)


is there an echo in there?:light:

David K - 8-15-2010 at 05:31 PM

Yah, I guess since you didn't respond back when I offered that help, she thought you didn't see it. :tumble:

mcfez - 8-15-2010 at 08:20 PM

In the desert it needs the shade of other trees; or plant on the north side of the house. Make the soil extra sandy...could never over water. We install this way in Sacramento too

Mango - 8-15-2010 at 08:38 PM

Wow, so glad everyone love Mangos so much. :D

mcfez - I am wondering if the south facing wall might be better. Sun in the winter and shade in the heat of summer (as the sun is most northerly at this time of the year.)

Either way, As Mexitron and you pointed planting near a house can give it enough heat in the cold days of winter to help keep it warm enough to survive any cold snaps, etc. This is also true of Bougainvilleas as well.

Anyways, I should be a far better expert on this subject than I am; but, hey I am really a fan of Coconuts. :lol:

mcfez - 8-15-2010 at 10:07 PM

Manual Of Tropical And Subtropical Fruits - by Wilson Popenoe

Order this book.....if you are going to grow cool stuff like loquat, guava, papaya, and fruits you most likely never heard of! Good reading on a raining day (in Baja?).

dtutko1 - 8-16-2010 at 06:23 AM

In the Missouri Ozarks I'm growing Mangos, Limes, Meyer Lemons, and Banana. Don't get many mangos or bananas I guess it's more of a vanity issue, but we have several fresh squeezed margarita parties each year. All my tropicals are grown it 20 gal containers and spend the winter in a solar greenhouse house that uses no external energy (other than the sun), and keeps the plants above freezing even when outside temps fall to -10 F.

Mangos in Missouri

dtutko1 - 8-16-2010 at 06:30 AM

I guess i need a new post to show pix. How do I show more than one?

David K - 8-16-2010 at 08:37 AM

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DavidE - 8-16-2010 at 02:08 PM

Nosotros mangueros se recomendarle....

Erect a clear plastic tarp tent around the sapling. Ideal temperature 80 - 90F

Use 17-17-17 fertilizer. Soil should be neutral. Tree will produce maximum fruit between ages of 5 and 10 years.

Yayden variety preferable, manila needs too much sun.

Mexitron - 8-16-2010 at 03:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by dtutko1
In the Missouri Ozarks I'm growing Mangos, Limes, Meyer Lemons, and Banana. Don't get many mangos or bananas I guess it's more of a vanity issue, but we have several fresh squeezed margarita parties each year. All my tropicals are grown it 20 gal containers and spend the winter in a solar greenhouse house that uses no external energy (other than the sun), and keeps the plants above freezing even when outside temps fall to -10 F.



I think even with the greenhouse its still too cold for the Mangos in the winter...
I have a friend who grows 30 different Citrus in Fort Worth the same way---its doable but more work than planting in the ground. I figure as long as I'm in Texas I'll just be lazier about it and grow okra and sweet potatoes!