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New Bridge New Road to Gonzaga Bay

bajaponderosa - 8-26-2010 at 09:07 AM

Husband went for ride to Gonzaga Sunday took a side road off of the old road and found this. A whole new road is being graded and building a really nice bridge across one of the many washes.

David K - 8-26-2010 at 09:28 AM

Nice photo... thanks!

surfer jim - 8-26-2010 at 03:51 PM

Any more photos or details of where this was at?

Udo - 8-26-2010 at 03:53 PM

That's gatta be one helluva wash for a bridge that large!:wow:

bajabass - 8-26-2010 at 06:57 PM

Any bets on whether or not it handles the first few gully washers that come thru there? :lol:

BornFisher - 8-26-2010 at 07:13 PM

Must be the "Baja Stimulus Bill". Really they are doing a ton of road work all over Baja it seems!!

Udo - 8-26-2010 at 07:16 PM

Tourism is down, traffic is down. All translates to more time for repairs and better roads for when the tourists are back.:bounce:


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Originally posted by BornFisher
Must be the "Baja Stimulus Bill". Really they are doing a ton of road work all over Baja it seems!!

David K - 8-26-2010 at 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by surfer jim
Any more photos or details of where this was at?


Jim, it is in the 10 km. (6.2 mile) section they are working on, just beyond where the pavement ends, by El Huerfanito.

It may be the bridge where the pavement ends, or another just south. Last month, there was no visible cut in the hill on the far end of that bridge at the end of pavement. But, a bit south you can see the road being built to the west of the present road.

surfer jim - 8-27-2010 at 07:44 AM

Is there any reason the first good storm won't wash out the support posts under the bridge?

David K - 8-27-2010 at 07:58 AM

They are building that highway and bridges to a much higher standard than any done on Mex. 1 previously. You can see it in the photo above.

Nature bats last, of course so no guarantees...

wilderone - 8-27-2010 at 07:59 AM

the road to nowhere - now really - how many people drive that road in a year? Most people in Gonzaga fly in don't they? politics, waste, folly
I'm beginning to think Calderon is in cahoots with the drug cartels to launder money. that's how Panama City was built.

bonanza bucko - 8-27-2010 at 08:11 AM

I fly to Gonzaga Bay but AOPA and other aviation groups have reported that flights by private airplanes to Baja are down by 80%. We used to have up to twenty airplanes on our ramps at Alfonsina's on a good weekend. Now we might have two.

BB

David K - 8-27-2010 at 08:14 AM

Once it is finished, it offers a big shortcut for everyone going up or down the peninsula that are headed to or from Mexicali or mainland Mexico.

To make it totally functional, the highway between San Felipe and Puertecitos will need to be replaced... and DesertBull posted that the new one will be inland, perhaps along the old route through the sulfur mine and the current highway will remain as an access road for the beach campos. The current one (for those who have not driven it) was poorly constructed with several short, steep, unmarked dips.

rts551 - 8-27-2010 at 08:15 AM

road is being built as an alternative to MEX1 (terminating in Laguna Chapala). Not just for turists. You will see many trucks making their way to Mexicali.

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Originally posted by wilderone
the road to nowhere - now really - how many people drive that road in a year? Most people in Gonzaga fly in don't they? politics, waste, folly
I'm beginning to think Calderon is in cahoots with the drug cartels to launder money. that's how Panama City was built.

ElFaro - 8-27-2010 at 08:29 AM

Why does everybody think these road construction projects are built from a tourist "need" perspective? Tourism has nothing to do with it. It's all for the trucking industry powered by the need to move goods and services up and down the penninsula for local and import/export business.

The govt. doesn't think... "Hey it looks like tourism to taco stands and a few hotels is increasing we better beef up our roads".

Udo - 8-27-2010 at 08:39 AM

It could be ignorant of me, but that is what I thought.

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Originally posted by ElFaro
"Hey it looks like tourism to taco stands and a few hotels is increasing we better beef up our roads".

Skipjack Joe - 8-27-2010 at 09:27 AM

Yes, I agree with Udo. How much import/export does baja provide anyway?

Hopefully the new road will be little used and fall into disrepair again.

wilderone - 8-27-2010 at 04:43 PM

"You will see many trucks making their way to Mexicali"

Now that will be a welcome change on Mex. 1 - fewer trucks. Yeh!!! A little quiet at night at Catavina, way fewer scary hairpin turns.

DianaT - 8-27-2010 at 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by wilderone
"You will see many trucks making their way to Mexicali"

Now that will be a welcome change on Mex. 1 - fewer trucks. Yeh!!! A little quiet at night at Catavina, way fewer scary hairpin turns.


The new road will create quite a short-cut for the trucks coming from the mainland of Mexico that are headed far south. I agree that it should make Catavina a quieter place.

A local friend told us that so many bridges wash out because of the way the approach from the highway joins the bridge---the builders often short cut the process and use nothing but dirt fill. Then with the first big rains and floods, the dirts washed away and undermines the bridge.

I certainly am no engineer, but we started looking at the bridges along highway 1 that were washed out last year and it does look like they had dirt filled approaches.

Hope one of the engneers around here comments one way or another.

rts551 - 8-27-2010 at 05:31 PM

No lack of experts here Diane.



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Originally posted by DianaT
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Originally posted by wilderone
"You will see many trucks making their way to Mexicali"

Now that will be a welcome change on Mex. 1 - fewer trucks. Yeh!!! A little quiet at night at Catavina, way fewer scary hairpin turns.


The new road will create quite a short-cut for the trucks coming from the mainland of Mexico that are headed far south. I agree that it should make Catavina a quieter place.

A local friend told us that so many bridges wash out because of the way the approach from the highway joins the bridge---the builders often short cut the process and use nothing but dirt fill. Then with the first big rains and floods, the dirts washed away and undermines the bridge.

I certainly am no engineer, but we started looking at the bridges along highway 1 that were washed out last year and it does look like they had dirt filled approaches.

Hope one of the engneers around here comments one way or another.
:light::light:
:light:

RnR - 8-27-2010 at 07:00 PM

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Originally posted by rts551

A local friend told us that so many bridges wash out because of the way the approach from the highway joins the bridge---the builders often short cut the process and use nothing but dirt fill. Then with the first big rains and floods, the dirts washed away and undermines the bridge.

I certainly am no engineer, but we started looking at the bridges along highway 1 that were washed out last year and it does look like they had dirt filled approaches.

Hope one of the engneers around here comments one way or another.
:light::light:
:light:


Here goes:

The bridges are built with sacrificial dirt approaches by design. Ninety percent or more of the cost of the crossing is in the concrete portion of the bridge so the designers strive to protect the major investment while minimizing the overall cost of the structure.

The bridges are built with the concrete sections in the deepest part of the arroyos. When the arroyo starts to flow it first passes under the concrete span section of the bridge. If the water flow exceeds the capacity of the concrete section, it washes out the dirt approach and increases the channel width. When the flow starts to recede, the water retreats back to the concrete section of the bridge allowing the dirt approach area to be dewatered and rapidly repaired.

That is why the road was back in operation at three of the four bridges in about a week after last Februaury's storms. The fourth bridge, at El Rosario, really exceeded the channel capacity and dropped a span into the arroyo in addition to washing out the approaches. That is why the bridge is still out of service. It takes a long time to repair the concrete sections.

This design theory is very evident on several bridges near Santa Maria and El Cien. The approches are built of dirt and are up to five feet lower in elevation than the concrete decks.

This design theory is also used on small dam spillways in the US. A portion of the embankment is built lower than the remaining crest of the dam in order to allow for a controlled breaching of the embankment and iniciation of flow down the spillway. It's called a "fuse plug" spillway.

Whew! :light:

DianaT - 8-27-2010 at 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by RnR
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Originally posted by rts551

A local friend told us that so many bridges wash out because of the way the approach from the highway joins the bridge---the builders often short cut the process and use nothing but dirt fill. Then with the first big rains and floods, the dirts washed away and undermines the bridge.

I certainly am no engineer, but we started looking at the bridges along highway 1 that were washed out last year and it does look like they had dirt filled approaches.

Hope one of the engneers around here comments one way or another.
:light::light:
:light:


Here goes:

The bridges are built with sacrificial dirt approaches by design. Ninety percent or more of the cost of the crossing is in the concrete portion of the bridge so the designers strive to protect the major investment while minimizing the overall cost of the structure.

The bridges are built with the concrete sections in the deepest part of the arroyos. When the arroyo starts to flow it first passes under the concrete span section of the bridge. If the water flow exceeds the capacity of the concrete section, it washes out the dirt approach and increases the channel width. When the flow starts to recede, the water retreats back to the concrete section of the bridge allowing the dirt approach area to be dewatered and rapidly repaired.

That is why the road was back in operation at three of the four bridges in about a week after last Februaury's storms. The fourth bridge, at El Rosario, really exceeded the channel capacity and dropped a span into the arroyo in addition to washing out the approaches. That is why the bridge is still out of service. It takes a long time to repair the concrete sections.

This design theory is very evident on several bridges near Santa Maria and El Cien. The approches are built of dirt and are up to five feet lower in elevation than the concrete decks.

This design theory is also used on small dam spillways in the US. A portion of the embankment is built lower than the remaining crest of the dam in order to allow for a controlled breaching of the embankment and iniciation of flow down the spillway. It's called a "fuse plug" spillway.

Whew! :light:


Thank you VERY much for taking the time to explain the design---always good to learn something new. Good to know there is a good reason for that design.

Diana

mcfez - 9-2-2010 at 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by wilderone
the road to nowhere - now really - how many people drive that road in a year? Most people in Gonzaga fly in don't they? politics, waste, folly
I'm beginning to think Calderon is in cahoots with the drug cartels to launder money. that's how Panama City was built.


We be driving that new road so much...we'll wear the asphalt down! Gonzaga Bay has got to be the top ten places in Baja...we love it there. Great beaches....snorkeling...FISHING is awful though ;D

David K - 9-2-2010 at 06:10 PM

Sadly, we heard the new highway alignment south of Gonzaga will not pass in front of Coco's Corner... It will be about a mile west, closer to the old (pre-1982) road to Laguna Chapala.

k-rico - 9-2-2010 at 06:18 PM

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Originally posted by wilderone
the road to nowhere - now really - how many people drive that road in a year? Most people in Gonzaga fly in don't they?


Hmmmmm, I wonder if folks fly in because there's no road to speak of and if a good road is put in, folks will drive there.

Waddya think? Maybe? :rolleyes:

desertcpl - 9-2-2010 at 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Sadly, we heard the new highway alignment south of Gonzaga will not pass in front of Coco's Corner... It will be about a mile west, closer to the old (pre-1982) road to Laguna Chapala.


maybe we all could do some thing about this,, like move Coco closer to the new highway

elgatoloco - 9-2-2010 at 07:47 PM

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Originally posted by desertcpl
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Originally posted by David K
Sadly, we heard the new highway alignment south of Gonzaga will not pass in front of Coco's Corner... It will be about a mile west, closer to the old (pre-1982) road to Laguna Chapala.


maybe we all could do some thing about this,, like move Coco closer to the new highway


Coco's Offramp! :biggrin:

David K - 9-2-2010 at 10:48 PM

Yah.... maybe Coco will prefer to not hear the roar of semis and their jake brakes... and stay on the dirt track to Calamajue for the off roaders...

SFLowTide - 9-4-2010 at 12:12 PM

I think you hit the nail right on the head, David. We were through a couple of weeks ago and asked him about the highway coming by his place. He, in his "infamously candid" way, expressed to us that there is no way that he will be next to that NOISY &%$# ROAD! Besides, it would take lifetime to move all of those beer cans and underwear...lol

Have you heard where the Main Hwy. 5 is to meet up with the Puertecitos road? The word is that they plan on bypassing San Felipe just north of town (keeping the large trucks off of the city streets), but nobody seems to know where it will re-connect.

David K - 9-4-2010 at 08:20 PM

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Originally posted by SFLowTide
I think you hit the nail right on the head, David. We were through a couple of weeks ago and asked him about the highway coming by his place. He, in his "infamously candid" way, expressed to us that there is no way that he will be next to that NOISY &%$# ROAD! Besides, it would take lifetime to move all of those beer cans and underwear...lol

Have you heard where the Main Hwy. 5 is to meet up with the Puertecitos road? The word is that they plan on bypassing San Felipe just north of town (keeping the large trucks off of the city streets), but nobody seems to know where it will re-connect.


The old road south from San Felipe junctions with the new road just a couple miles south of Coloradito's road... that would be close to my guess as the mountains would limit the route from being any more inland... ???